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The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)

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bluepuma9 bluepuma9 Active Member
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joined Jun 2018
#1701 ·
Charles Fox said:👍

Ninety percent of people are thinking like five-year-olds, yet we’re all going to feel the sting of this conflict firsthand.
Prices are climbing every single day. People are going to lose their jobs, and who knows what else is coming down the pipeline.
No war has ever yielded anything good. (Except for the profiteers.)

Of course it isn't. But this war—sorry, let's call it a "peacekeeping mission"—was started by Putin. So, screw him. He needs to take his medicine, otherwise he'll just keep doing it.
Michael Davis10 Michael Davis10 Active Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1702 ·
Rachel Richardson said:That is precisely the point.
Kyiv has 2 million residents; El Paso had about 40,000 back in '91.

Putin cannot conquer Ukraine with only 150,000 troops.
This is merely the opening act.

However—he clearly thought that amount would be sufficient.
Which is frankly laughable.

I mean, the Russian army seems a bit too serious to just dive into urban combat right now.
The city will fall whenever it falls if they just surround it completely, I guess.
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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joined Jan 2013
#1703 ·
Carol Newman2 said:Norway, the most decorated nation at the ZOI: We aren't letting Russians compete in our events

Sent from my SM-X700 via Tapatalk

So much for keeping politics out of sports, huh🕺
Douglas Davis4 Douglas Davis4 Member
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joined Nov 2020
#1704 ·
swiftjackal11 said:Even Russians don't want to wake up in Russia, let alone Ukrainians.

🤣 Who would go there like a madman? For what reason? For whom? To achieve what?
And when Americans want to forge their own path... these people pull them back and scream, "Stay right there! It’s great! It’s better than being in the decaying West!"

I haven't heard a single person around here mourning our entry into the EU.
It used to be full of those pathetic, sickly complaints: "Oh, we won't have our specific cheese or cream anymore."
But now? Nobody regrets joining the EU or NATO.
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
219 messages
joined Jan 2013
#1705 ·
Frank Walker7 said:Which really brings me back to my original thought: I wonder just how much longer Germany can hold out without that Russian gas coming in?

Come on, guys. If they actually made that call, those gas tankers should already be heading toward the EU...
neonheron9 neonheron9 Active Member
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joined Sep 2021
#1706 ·
https://twitter.com/babaikit/status/...sLeyo7KFEaNFHw

Russian gear getting trashed near Cleveland, too.
Ashley Ramirez4 Ashley Ramirez4 Active Member
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joined Dec 2012
#1707 ·
feralcanyon73 said:Link?

Honestly, I have no clue anymore—it was probably just the last paragraph of some article on the New York Post or something, but it got lost.
gentleharbor3 gentleharbor3 Member
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#1708 ·
ironranger67 said:The truth is, Europe relies on the US because there’s simply no way to stand up to Russia without them.
If it weren't for that American security umbrella, the Russians would basically be doing whatever they wanted across Western and Eastern Europe—either through force or by infiltrating governments using oil and gas money.

So, for anyone who thinks Americans are the ultimate villains, just try imagining an American neighborhood where Russia calls all the shots through its local proxies. ☕

Sure, in some perfect little utopia, Europe would be completely independent and focused on its own interests, and Russia would just be a peaceful neighbor that doesn't try to exploit the fact that they have a massive military advantage over everyone else.
But that's just not how reality works.

Reading posts filled with this kind of American idolatry,
I sometimes wonder how Europe even survived on the continent
all those empty centuries without these great American saviors?
Yeah, sure, the trashed Russians of the 90s with a hangover would have "slapped anyone they could."
No, quite the opposite. Take Americans like Kenneth Waltz and John Mearsheimer,
or even Jacko Snyder,
and read what they say about the utility of that NATO
umbrella after the end of the Cold War and the implications for Europe,
as well as European dependence on American military aid
which actually made Europe invalid and incapable of handling
even minimal security challenges.
Spoiler alert—the presence of NATO after the end of the Cold War worsened the security architecture
in Europe rather than improving it, because instead of bringing Russia closer to Europe when it was on its knees,
it just pushed them further away.
neonpuma30 neonpuma30 Member
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#1709 ·
Laura Scott7 said:Look, it’s pretty simple if you actually bother to look at the big picture: Russia is just looking out for its own backyard, especially after being backed into a corner by NATO constantly pushing its borders right up against Ukraine. Putin laid out the terms clearly—he wanted a guarantee that Ukraine wouldn't be joining NATO, plain and simple. But instead of taking that seriously, these folks got way too cocky, acting like Russia was some minor player in the Middle East that they could just push around. Now, they’re trying to flip the script and spin this whole thing to make it look like Russia just attacked Ukraine out of nowhere without any provocation. Give me a break... what a joke. And don't even get me started on those EU sanctions; as if they’ll actually do anything when half the stuff they produce is already being bought up by India and China anyway. But hey, the absolute best part of this circus? The USA won't even stop importing oil because heaven forbid they actually try to do something to keep energy prices from skyrocketing, right? Total joke.

Nah, NATO has nothing to do with this. It’s all about "liberating eternal Russian land" and wiping out "neo-Nazis." 😵
Keith Morgan10 Keith Morgan10 Member
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#1710 ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:I'd much rather be a respected power under an American boot than under a KGB boot!

Honestly, it doesn't change much; the only real difference is how much censorship you deal with. The standard of living for the average person is going to climb at basically the same rate regardless of which side they fall on.
If America isn't the perfect example here, then nothing is.
brightheron64 brightheron64 Regular
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#1711 ·
placidrider48 said:I guess even a crazy sultan can be useful for something, if you think about it.

We'll just have to wait and see if this is merely political posturing regarding NATO membership or if it represents a genuinely firm decision, because...

The Ministry of Agriculture has stated that no grain shortages are anticipated stemming from the conflict between Russia and Ukraine, two countries that supply a substantial amount of Turkey's grain imports.

According to data from the U.S. Census Bureau, Russia accounted for 56% of Turkey's grain imports in 2021, totaling $2.24 billion, while the combined imports from Russia and Ukraine represented 78%, with Ukraine's portion reaching $861 million last year.

https://www.dailysabah.com/business/...onflict-turkey
Tyler Jones6 Tyler Jones6 Active Member
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joined Jul 2007
#1712 ·
So, now Germany is sending anti-armor weapons to Ukraine via the Netherlands—I suppose the next logical step is wondering how much longer it will take before they finally decide to kick Russia out of SWIFT altogether.
neonheron9 neonheron9 Active Member
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#1713 ·
And those tanks in Zaporizhzhia—or wherever they actually are—even the pro-Russian Telegram channels are claiming they belong to the Ukrainians.
rowdyraven112 rowdyraven112 Active Member
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#1714 ·
Douglas Davis4 said:While the Chinese and Russians might claim they invented the internet, Facebook, and all this modern tech,
it’s actually the brilliant minds in the garages of democratic nations who are truly inventing tools to improve life, producing incredible music, and making great films.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_(film)

Given all the Hollywood bullshit out there, I'd say this is a pretty solid film. It captures war much better than Saving Ryan, in my opinion. The Chinese just don't know how to make a good movie... 🤦

The music is probably good too. They have their own versions of Britney Spears and Taylor Swift, but I'm sure they have their own Dua Lipa and Elton John as well. It's just a difference in branding.
Michael Davis10 Michael Davis10 Active Member
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#1715 ·
William Anderson5 said:Come on, guys. If they actually made that call, those gas tankers should already be heading toward the EU...

The thing is, I guess we'll just see how many actually make it there. 🍿
Sam Wright21 Sam Wright21 Regular
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joined Jul 2016
#1716 ·
Nancy Gomez26 said:In war and in love—there are no rules. Once the gunfire starts, the pleasantries end; you fight simply to survive. At that point, a deep trench and a bit of mud become your closest companions.
And you should definitely keep watching RT. They are—as completely unbiased as they come—surely the most objective source out there. When their founder—for absolutely no reason at all—launches armed attacks and stirs up trouble in another nation, they remain perfectly objective. Of course they do.

I can't think of a more distasteful proverb I've ever encountered.
feralcanyon73 feralcanyon73 Active Member
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#1717 ·
Ashley Ramirez4 said:Honestly, I have no clue anymore—it was probably just the last paragraph of some article on the New York Post or something, but it got lost.

It "vanished" because it was never even said in the first place.
Michael Davis10 Michael Davis10 Active Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1718 ·
steelraven74 said:Twitter is absolutely drowning in disinformation and deepfakes right now. You’ve got propaganda flying from both sides, making it impossible to tell what’s actually happening versus what's just manufactured noise.

I haven't seen anything like this before. It's been like four days already and there aren't even any maps or casualty counts. Maybe Ukrainians are hiding their own numbers while exaggerating Russian losses. And the Russians? They're staying totally quiet. The media is just on another level entirely. Probably not even worth following them, honestly.
Hannah Williams8 Hannah Williams8 Member
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#1719 ·
Jack Kelly5 said:Exactly this. I feel like I've said it a few times now, but this whole mess is mostly just going to end up hurting Russia and Russians in the long run. People who think Putin actually has some kind of loyal best friend in China are seriously misreading the situation, I guess. The Chinese are playing their own game, looking out for their own interests... they're just waiting around and counting their money while everything plays out.

I posted a link last night, but did anyone actually read it?
Since yesterday, the Chinese have stopped signing energy deals with the Russians in dollars and switched to yuan instead.😁
Isn't that a much bigger blow than shooting down 100 Sukhois or burning 900 tanks?
vividtiger72 vividtiger72 Member
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#1720 ·
William Anderson5 said:Do you honestly believe Putin has anything to offer Erdogan that the USA can't match? The only thing Putin could realistically give him is Crimea, which used to be old Turkish territory...🤣

Just take a look at how much Turkey relies on Russia versus how much they depend on the USA. It’s quite a balancing act when you really dig into the numbers.

At the end of the day, it’s really up to Erdogan whether he pulls the trigger or plays it safe. He's just playing both sides of the fence, waiting to see which way the wind blows.

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