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The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)

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Laura Scott7 Laura Scott7 Member
30 messages
joined Feb 2022
#1661 ·
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...ng_to_ukraine/
"Chechen units heading to Ukraine" These guys look absolutely wired, man... totally revved up and ready to go.
Carl Hill6 Carl Hill6 Member
42 messages
joined Jul 2009
#1662 ·
Jeremy Peterson4 said:When we can finally get someone like Draleta into Congress, then maybe they can have a comedian for President. Honestly, at least he actually finished college, which puts him miles ahead of our local "intellectuals" around here.

Drele is an intellectual compared to Đakić or those other clowns...
Steven Bennett5 Steven Bennett5 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jul 2010
#1663 ·
GustiSok said:Not many people are going to believe that the Russians didn't prepare a solid tactical plan for this invasion, let alone that they're running out of missiles in just a few days. Then again, for some totally mystical reason, a lot of folks seem to think a successful military operation means zero casualties—as if high-quality gear can't be destroyed, or that you can just win a war in a matter of days. I suppose if you read in two seconds that Germany crushed Poland in 1939, but conveniently skip the part where it took them over a month to take half of a country much smaller than Ukraine—which was also being attacked from two sides—then in certain minds, wars are won overnight without a scratch. A Tiger Tank wasn't legendary because it was invincible; hundreds of them were destroyed. It was effective because it allowed operations to move forward and inflicted heavy losses on enemy armor. Success is measured statistically, not absolutely. As for whether the Russian invasion is a success? It's too early to say. What we do know for sure is that the Ukrainians aren't going to just roll over without a fight.


From what we can see, the Russians have definitely achieved their strategic goals so far:

They've effectively pushed Ukraine away from any consideration of joining NATO or even the EU for a long time.
The fighting is happening on Ukrainian soil.

The forces prepared for the assault—maybe around 150,000 to 170,000 soldiers—simply aren't enough to "conquer" a nation of this size. But clearly, that isn't the goal here.

The aim is to squeeze Kyiv, to pressure that comedian and his boxer buddy to back down and save their people and their country.
The goal is to get Ukraine—either this current administration or likely whoever follows—to sign an unconditional agreement to remain militarily neutral.

You don't actually need to "occupy" all of Ukraine to achieve any of that!

Secondly, nobody really has reliable intel from the ground right now, which, unlike American or Western interventions in places like Iraq or Syria, is a relatively new factor.

It would be naive to fall for the nonsense on our mainstream news outlets claiming the operation is failing just because it’s only day three.
Operations like this aren't planned to last only three or four weeks.
Even in Chechnya (the second war, which the Russians won), it didn't wrap up in five or six days...
The Russians probably haven't even deployed their second or third waves of assault forces yet.
Will they actually march into the center of Kyiv and hold it under siege? Honestly, who knows.

As for casualties, of course there are losses on both sides. This is a war, not a ballet recital!

A 2-3% loss rate in an offensive operation of this scale is practically expected—if you assume there are 150,000 Russian troops involved, you can do the math yourselves.

Back home, during Storm, we had over 120 dead. Just near Turin by Karlovac, we lost about 10 people to mortars during the first attempt at a breakthrough. And generally speaking, those 120 or so people were killed by an enemy that often wasn't even putting up a decisive defense! They were mostly retreating.
Now, try putting that into the context of this current offensive operation!
Sam Martinez9 Sam Martinez9 Regular
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joined Jan 2021
#1664 ·
Grace Bennett6 said:The reality is, under full mobilization, the EU only has ten times the manpower of Russia because they have three times the population. This isn't like the last World War where Germany was taking on the entire planet—Germany, the UK, France, Poland, and the rest. 🙂

Putin knows that too. That's exactly why he pulled the trigger on this war.
Arthur Flores2 Arthur Flores2 Member
43 messages
joined Mar 2013
#1665 ·
Is there actually an accurate map out there where I can easily track how things are playing out on the ground?
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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joined Jan 2021
#1666 ·
swiftjackal11 said:Even Russians don't want to wake up in Russia, let alone Ukrainians.

Look, what can you do? The regime is just pure repression.

I’m sitting here reading about death penalties for "traitors"... if you read between the lines, it's pretty clear... it's a direct message to the Russian people... the point is simple: shut up and follow the leader.
Betty Murphy3 Betty Murphy3 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1667 ·
Betty Carter3 said:Yeah, sure, the Russians are struggling because they can't get weapons from—and I kid you not—Canada.
Give me a damn break.
#GoTeam

Ten years ago, there was nothing to buy in Germany—why? Because the Germans were busy selling to the Russians, buying up gas and oil, and look what happened ten years later: Putin is in Ukraine.

It seems that crazy Trump actually called it—he pointed out exactly what would happen if that quiet coalition between Germany and Russia regarding energy policy and general cooperation didn't collapse.

Now everyone wants to talk about America, Europe, NATO, blah blah blah... while Trump spent his term arguing we should halt everything with Russia, all while being labeled a Russian asset during the campaign. Now it's perfectly clear who the actual player was, yet nobody mentions the Germans.

As a bonus, they seem terrified of providing helmets and boots—just like us back in the 90s. Post-1945, the Germans have been a nation without a backbone; it’s all about the money. There is no logic or reason left—just pure economics. They follow a model where they prioritize the bottom line over everything else, essentially running Hitler's playbook through economic dominance rather than warfare. And others pay the price—the entire EU relies on them and their cash, yet they continue to play games with Russia.

Fine. It looks like the Poles made the right call by sticking with the USA. As for those folks in Berlin? auf Wiedersehen.
Jeremy Peterson4 Jeremy Peterson4 Active Member
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joined Mar 2023
#1668 ·
Looks like Canada isn't trying to pull a Mexico here—they’re basically saying they'll do whatever they want, no questions asked. They really need to pick a side. You're either in or you're out, right?

According to The Guardian, Canadian PM Viktor Orbán claims he's going to back every single EU sanction against Russia and won't be blocking anything.
Grace Bennett6 Grace Bennett6 Active Member
66 messages
joined Feb 2022
#1669 ·
Michael Davis10 said:I guess, is there even any info on Ukrainian losses in this war? Every news report says Russ is losing massive amounts, but nothing about Ukrainians.
And I don't see any pictures or videos or anything like that anywhere

Look at what I posted earlier—that's the count the Ukrainians themselves put out. We're talking a 6-to-1 casualty ratio. Russia started targeting civilians immediately, just straight-up dirty tactics...

https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2022/...ksii-reznikov/
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
271 messages
joined May 2018
#1670 ·
Russians make up about 17% of the population in Ukraine. Real peace won't happen until that number drops below 3%.🍿
Tyler Jones6 Tyler Jones6 Active Member
85 messages
joined Jul 2007
#1671 ·
would say: China sees the writing on the wall—so long, Putin!

If even 10% of this reporting holds water, I guess the Ukrainians could liberate Crimea too; there’s really no reason for them to stop now.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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joined Sep 2009
#1672 ·
Melissa Ward said:What is Ukraine, really, if not just a rebranded version of the old Soviet State? I mean, look at the facts! The Americans absolutely dismantled the USSR, much like how they tore through America. It’s wild when you think about it. One minute, you have this massive global superpower, and then suddenly, in the 90s, it’s nothing more than a total joke... at least until Putin stepped up to take charge.

Targeting major cities across Europe? Once those first nuclear weapons start falling, there’s absolutely no turning back. It’s over. Period. Everyone knows that. You don't just pull that trigger unless you've been backed into a corner and it's truly your absolute last resort. It's like playing a game of high-stakes poker where you bet everything on one final, desperate hand—once the cards are on the table, the game is done!

🤣

Actually, the US was doing everything in its power to keep America together back in '91.
Kevin Murphy7 Kevin Murphy7 Member
23 messages
joined Feb 2022
#1673 ·
Mexicans posted a video showing Russians being crucified on a cross
Anyone seen any proof this clip is actually legit?
It's blowing up on Twitter right now, no clue why it hasn't been taken down yet
Jeremy Peterson4 Jeremy Peterson4 Active Member
112 messages
joined Mar 2023
#1674 ·
Carl Hill6 said:Drele is an intellectual compared to Đakić or those other clowns...

Honestly, the whole group probably couldn't crack a 100 IQ if their lives depended on it.
Keith Morgan10 Keith Morgan10 Member
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joined Jun 2022
#1675 ·
It’s honestly wild to me, just sitting here thinking about how the ruling class in Russia probably just got together, maybe over some casual drinks or something, and tossed out an idea like, "Hey, what if we just went after Ukraine?" And then, instead of actually weighing the options, five or fifty of the top brass just nod along like, "Yeah, sounds good." Then you have Putin just giving the green light, basically saying, "Alright, let's roll tomorrow," without anyone actually sitting down to map out the fallout. No deep dives into the economic wreckage, no planning for the actual war—nothing. They didn't even bother checking in with the oligarchs to see if they were on board. Just... boom.

If that's really how they pulled this off, then they're complete idiots. It wouldn't be a matter of *if* they fail, but just a matter of when. But, I don't know, part of me feels like we just have to sit tight and wait to see what kind of mess is actually brewing on the other side of the horizon.
jadetinker85 jadetinker85 Regular
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joined Jan 2024
#1676 ·
Melissa Ward said:What is Ukraine, really, if not just a rebranded version of the old Soviet State? I mean, look at the facts! The Americans absolutely dismantled the USSR, much like how they tore through America. It’s wild when you think about it. One minute, you have this massive global superpower, and then suddenly, in the 90s, it’s nothing more than a total joke... at least until Putin stepped up to take charge.

Targeting major cities across Europe? Once those first nuclear weapons start falling, there’s absolutely no turning back. It’s over. Period. Everyone knows that. You don't just pull that trigger unless you've been backed into a corner and it's truly your absolute last resort. It's like playing a game of high-stakes poker where you bet everything on one final, desperate hand—once the cards are on the table, the game is done!

Even then, you wouldn't do it unless you were completely insane.
loneskipper3 loneskipper3 Member
36 messages
joined Feb 2023
#1677 ·
Betty Carter3 said:I’ve already asked where those Ukrainian psychiatric wards from Femen are located—I mean, are they getting equal representation on the front lines too?

Perhaps you should be asking why the women from the soldier mother organization are barely even heard in Russia anymore—despite how influential and media-savvy they used to be.
William Anderson5 William Anderson5 Active Member
219 messages
joined Jan 2013
#1678 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:Look, what can you do? The regime is just pure repression.

I’m sitting here reading about death penalties for "traitors"... if you read between the lines, it's pretty clear... it's a direct message to the Russian people... the point is simple: shut up and follow the leader.

Putin is doing everything in his power to bring himself down...
vividtiger72 vividtiger72 Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1679 ·
Lola 27 said:We really ought to just ban anyone under 5'11" from running for office altogether.☕
Just a bunch of clowns and psychopaths.

At that rate, Bashar would just stay in Syria forever as the only guy left on the ballot. 🤣
Michael Davis10 Michael Davis10 Active Member
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joined Feb 2022
#1680 ·
Justin Kern67 said:This was reported overnight. There isn't a single photo or video available yet.

Separately, the General Staff of Ukraine announced that Russians are losing "dozens of tanks, armored vehicles, and thousands of soldiers" on a daily basis. To put it plainly, if this current pace continues, there won't be a single Russian soldier left in Ukraine within a week.

Apparently they've already wiped them all out
German reports say the Russians only actually entered Ukraine with a tiny fraction of the force they had lined up at the border.

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