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Patrick Cook Patrick Cook Member
25 messages
joined Jul 2023
#241 ·
Come on, seriously—the media has been spreading panic about every single new variant like it’s the end of the world.

First it was the original strain and then that whole tragedy in Bergamo. Then we had the Indian variant, the British one, the Nu strain, the Muuuuu strain, and now this Omicron mess. 🤣

Look, this current strain has been crawling all over Europe for ages, which is exactly why the case numbers are blowing up right now.
Andrew Hill8 Andrew Hill8 Member
11 messages
joined Mar 2013
#242 ·
So my husband was showing me all these articles yesterday—you know, from the news outlets and some doctors talking about this new strain being kind of a letdown, supposedly just causing mild colds and stuff like that.
I’m honestly just sitting here waiting for our mainstream media to flip the script and start claiming it’s even scarier than Delta, telling us it’s incredibly contagious and causing massive symptoms and blah blah blah.☕
John Fowler2 John Fowler2 Member
39 messages
joined Nov 2021
#243 ·
Omicron…

Is this some kind of transformer? Did they know all along?
John Fowler2 John Fowler2 Member
39 messages
joined Nov 2021
#244 ·
Andrew Hill8 said:So my husband was showing me all these articles yesterday—you know, from the news outlets and some doctors talking about this new strain being kind of a letdown, supposedly just causing mild colds and stuff like that.
I’m honestly just sitting here waiting for our mainstream media to flip the script and start claiming it’s even scarier than Delta, telling us it’s incredibly contagious and causing massive symptoms and blah blah blah.☕

Dammit, that's when those articles get all the clicks... whether you're vaccinated or not...
Benjamin Brooks2 Benjamin Brooks2 Member
27 messages
joined Jun 2020
#245 ·
Regarding these mutations

Researching that spike protein shows two different conformations.

Conformations are just different shapes a molecule takes when parts of it rotate around a single bond.

First, there's the closed conformation, where the virus struggles to fuse with a cell because conditions aren't ideal.
It has a low affinity for binding to the ACE2 receptor since there's less contact surface between the RBD and ACE2.

Once it hits the intercellular space in the human body, the spike is hit by
the cellular endoprotease furin, which shifts it into an open conformation. In this state, there's a high affinity for ACE2 due to the increased contact surface. Once it switches to open, the spike can't go back to being closed.

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Only a few months after the first SARS-CoV-2 cases popped up in Wuhan in December 2019, new strains started appearing. Within a short window, numerous mutations were spotted globally; by June 1, 2020, about 35,000 strains
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The D614G mutation

It's thought that replacing aspartate with glycine at position 614 speeds up how the S spike glycoprotein binds to the ACE2 receptor, making it easier to enter the cell.

In the study "The Effect of The D614G substitution on The structure of The spike glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2", researchers found that 87% of the mutated spikes were in the open conformation, sometimes with one or two RBDs pushed out. By comparison, only 17% of the wild-type spikes were in the open conformation, while the rest stayed closed.

When the spike is stuck in the closed conformation, the RBD is physically blocked from interacting with the ACE2 receptor.
The G614 type mostly exists in a shape ready to bind to the receptor, so it doesn't even need furin to act on it—something the wild type needs to trigger the switch to the open conformation. Basically, the mutation removes a step in the entry mechanism, which significantly makes infecting cells easier.

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Proteins aren't static; they go through various conformational
changes that either stabilize or destabilize interactions at the amino acid level. These include non-covalent interactions, like the hydrophobic effect, which stabilize different conformations, and covalent ones that can stabilize or destabilize the structure.


D614

It was noted that aspartate (D) on monomer chain A (green) sits close enough (6.46 Å) to lysine (K) at position 854 B on monomer chain B (orange). This allows the negatively charged carboxyl group to create an attractive ionic interaction with the positively charged, protonated amino group of the lysine in the wild-type virus's closed conformation. To move to the open conformation, chains A and B have to pull apart so the RBD of chain B
can be pushed outward. That requires breaking several attractive interactions between the chains. Comparing the two, you have to overcome that attraction between the aspartate and lysine, requiring energy to push them far enough apart—specifically 8.25 Å—so the ionic bridge breaks.

Because of this interaction, the glycoprotein favors the closed conformation, staying in that shape about 83% of the time.

G614

With the mutation, the negatively charged aspartate is swapped for a neutral glycine. Since glycine is a tiny amino acid with no side chain, it can't maintain that interaction with the negatively charged lysine 854 B in the closed conformation.

It looks like glycine and lysine stay about the same distance apart—roughly 8.40 Å—whether they're in a closed or open conformation.

The idea is that the mutation kills off any stabilizing effect at position 614. Since there's less energy needed to flip into that open state under the right conditions, you barely
even need an enzyme to get it done. That’s why this mutated strain dominates at 87%, because it's much better at breaking into cells.

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The reason this mutant is more infectious? It's got more conformational freedom because that ionic pull between aspartate and lysine is gone—replaced by glycine.

😁
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
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joined Apr 2021
#246 ·
This isn't the 683rd thread dedicated to discussing COVID certificates—though, granted, two others are currently sitting comfortably in our top five most active discussions. A few posts were moved earlier.
Kevin Hughes2 Kevin Hughes2 Member
13 messages
joined Nov 2021
#247 ·
The most prolific anti-vaxxers out there—those who have built an entire movement centered on undermining scientific consensus and successfully fueling it every single day through mainstream media, certain segments of the scientific community, and various government task forces globally—are busy recruiting more skeptics and sowing seeds of doubt regarding professional expertise and science itself.

Consider this snapshot of how the media operates in the States; two headlines from the exact same day, published at the exact same time:

A prominent scientist issues a dire warning: ‘Omicron is an eight times more lethal strain. Here is why.'

Omicron is highly contagious, but not deadly: ‘Don't panic, symptoms are very mild.'

So, you decide. You can pick from window number one or window number two; choose whichever one resonates more with your current state of mind.
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
382 messages
joined Jan 2013
#248 ·
Kevin Hughes2 said:The most prolific anti-vaxxers out there—those who have built an entire movement centered on undermining scientific consensus and successfully fueling it every single day through mainstream media, certain segments of the scientific community, and various government task forces globally—are busy recruiting more skeptics and sowing seeds of doubt regarding professional expertise and science itself.

Consider this snapshot of how the media operates in the States; two headlines from the exact same day, published at the exact same time:

A prominent scientist issues a dire warning: ‘Omicron is an eight times more lethal strain. Here is why.'

Omicron is highly contagious, but not deadly: ‘Don't panic, symptoms are very mild.'

So, you decide. You can pick from window number one or window number two; choose whichever one resonates more with your current state of mind.

If you consider yourself a rational person who isn't one of those so-called anti-vaxxers, you'd naturally go for window number one.
Though, of course, he only said that because "a leading scientist" wrote it. Unless the guy was being played... but that's a whole other mess entirely.
Jesse Hughes6 Jesse Hughes6 Active Member
76 messages
joined May 2023
#249 ·
Linda Harris59 said:It’s complete nonsense. To actually build up natural immunity, you would have had to face the virus head-on without any preventative measures, essentially gambling with your life and risking a fatal outcome.

It stands to reason.

The Omicron variant emerged from regions where vaccination rates were practically non-existent. That is precisely why this specific mutation gained such massive traction; it evolved to bypass even the natural immunity people had already built up.

Actually, it isn't pointless, considering there were plenty of people who caught COVID back when nobody even had the option to choose whether or not to get vaccinated.

If there had been an honest, transparent effort to study how robust that natural immunity actually was, we could have already had a solid dataset—since the vaccine was clearly on the horizon and everyone knew it was coming eventually. All that would have been left was to crunch the numbers and see what we found.

But since that kind of approach never happened, we ended up with exactly what we have now.
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
173 messages
joined Apr 2021
#250 ·
Kevin Hughes2 said:The most prolific anti-vaxxers out there—those who have built an entire movement centered on undermining scientific consensus and successfully fueling it every single day through mainstream media, certain segments of the scientific community, and various government task forces globally—are busy recruiting more skeptics and sowing seeds of doubt regarding professional expertise and science itself.

Consider this snapshot of how the media operates in the States; two headlines from the exact same day, published at the exact same time:

A prominent scientist issues a dire warning: ‘Omicron is an eight times more lethal strain. Here is why.'

Omicron is highly contagious, but not deadly: ‘Don't panic, symptoms are very mild.'

So, you decide. You can pick from window number one or window number two; choose whichever one resonates more with your current state of mind.

This strain is becoming quite a headache for the media—regardless of which "side" they’re trying to root for.

Given the sheer volume of mutations—which look pretty similar to everything we've seen so far—it’s the way they're all bundled together that makes this a real headache. Theoretically speaking, it’s clearly going to be problematic.

We’re going to need to sit tight for a few weeks to see what the actual impact looks like—which basically means the only thing we truly know is that we don't know anything yet. In the meantime, though, I wonder what kind of frenzy the media will whip up? It usually follows the same old pattern: they grab any tiny scrap of information, run with it, and turn it into some sensationalized headline before anyone can even process the facts.
Susan Martin4 Susan Martin4 Active Member
130 messages
joined Apr 2023
#251 ·
Everyone keeps harping on about how much more contagious it is or how fast it spreads. But honestly, does anyone actually care about what kind of illness it causes?
If the R value hits 5 but all it does is give people a runny nose and a cough—basically just a bad cold that keeps people out of the ER because they're staying home instead—then I don't see why there needs to be this massive panic or freakout.
rowdyranger44 rowdyranger44 Member
17 messages
joined Jan 2013
#252 ·
Susan Martin4 said:Everyone keeps harping on about how much more contagious it is or how fast it spreads. But honestly, does anyone actually care about what kind of illness it causes?
If the R value hits 5 but all it does is give people a runny nose and a cough—basically just a bad cold that keeps people out of the ER because they're staying home instead—then I don't see why there needs to be this massive panic or freakout.

Oh, please. Hold on a second... Now they're going to start sugarcoating the data to make it look way more terrifying than it actually is.😁
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
173 messages
joined Apr 2021
#253 ·
It’s definitely important, but the only thing we can say with any real certainty is that it’s more contagious—likely because it manages to bypass existing immunity.

Restricting travel from Africa and ramping up active track&trace efforts makes sense as a short-term move.

Even if this just triggers a temporary surge, the booster rollout will reach several dozen million more people, which might buy us some time until spring or the next seasonal update.
Carol Jackson2 Carol Jackson2 Member
22 messages
joined Jan 2022
#254 ·
Gerald Chavez7 said:It’s definitely important, but the only thing we can say with any real certainty is that it’s more contagious—likely because it manages to bypass existing immunity.

Restricting travel from Africa and ramping up active track&trace efforts makes sense as a short-term move.

Even if this just triggers a temporary surge, the booster rollout will reach several dozen million more people, which might buy us some time until spring or the next seasonal update.

Europe is going to have to handle another 10 booster rounds, considering Africa hasn't even finished their first phase yet.
rowdyranger44 rowdyranger44 Member
17 messages
joined Jan 2013
#255 ·
Gerald Chavez7 said:It’s definitely important, but the only thing we can say with any real certainty is that it’s more contagious—likely because it manages to bypass existing immunity.

Restricting travel from Africa and ramping up active track&trace efforts makes sense as a short-term move.

Even if this just triggers a temporary surge, the booster rollout will reach several dozen million more people, which might buy us some time until spring or the next seasonal update.

Oh, come on, how much longer are we supposed to stay locked down?! Are you actually aware that taking such drastic measures does far more damage to the economy than any defense against this virus ever could? And you're practicing this kind of "strictness" on Africa, where these types of moves literally plunge entire populations into poverty overnight?!
Charles Ramos7 Charles Ramos7 Regular
529 messages
joined Jul 2010
#256 ·
rowdyranger44 said:Oh, come on, how much longer are we supposed to stay locked down?! Are you actually aware that taking such drastic measures does far more damage to the economy than any defense against this virus ever could? And you're practicing this kind of "strictness" on Africa, where these types of moves literally plunge entire populations into poverty overnight?!

What kind of "drastic move" is just suspending flights for two or three weeks?
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
173 messages
joined Apr 2021
#257 ·
rowdyranger44 said:Oh, come on, how much longer are we supposed to stay locked down?! Are you actually aware that taking such drastic measures does far more damage to the economy than any defense against this virus ever could? And you're practicing this kind of "strictness" on Africa, where these types of moves literally plunge entire populations into poverty overnight?!

What lockdown? 🤷 I don't believe we should be doing anything differently within the country (here in the Global North) just because Omicron showed up...
granitecanyon71 granitecanyon71 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Nov 2021
#258 ·
Kevin Hughes2 said:The most prolific anti-vaxxers out there—those who have built an entire movement centered on undermining scientific consensus and successfully fueling it every single day through mainstream media, certain segments of the scientific community, and various government task forces globally—are busy recruiting more skeptics and sowing seeds of doubt regarding professional expertise and science itself.

Consider this snapshot of how the media operates in the States; two headlines from the exact same day, published at the exact same time:

A prominent scientist issues a dire warning: ‘Omicron is an eight times more lethal strain. Here is why.'

Omicron is highly contagious, but not deadly: ‘Don't panic, symptoms are very mild.'

So, you decide. You can pick from window number one or window number two; choose whichever one resonates more with your current state of mind.

Nice read, but here's some real-world perspective.
The biggest anti-vaxxers are actually being recruited from the group that already got two doses—I know plenty who definitely won't be getting a third, and even those currently taking them will probably drop by half next year once travel slows down too.
Now, I wonder what all the pro-vax planners are going to do about it. Whether they try to alphabetize everything or push for mandatory shots... who knows.
It's all gonna be walking a tightrope, and for some, it might lead straight off a cliff.
One thing I'm sure of: there's a database tracking everyone's movements (just imagine all the bureaucrats, cowards, and traitors in one single spot), and we'll see who gets blamed when things go south
rowdyranger44 rowdyranger44 Member
17 messages
joined Jan 2013
#259 ·
Charles Ramos7 said:What kind of "drastic move" is just suspending flights for two or three weeks?

With global supply chains already crumbling at our feet, I really don't think we need to descend into more panic by slapping on yet another measure like a multi-week travel ban.
Charles Ramos7 Charles Ramos7 Regular
529 messages
joined Jul 2010
#260 ·
rowdyranger44 said:With global supply chains already crumbling at our feet, I really don't think we need to descend into more panic by slapping on yet another measure like a multi-week travel ban.

What supply chains? Passenger travel is blocked, not freight.

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