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bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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joined Jan 2013
#281 ·
Gerald Chavez7 said:I mean, South Africa probably sees something like 50 flights a day heading out toward the USA, Europe, the Middle East, or Asia... that’s easily 15,000 people traveling daily.

And you're telling me there isn't a single flight heading toward those major African cities?
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
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joined Apr 2021
#282 ·
Hold on a second—of course Omicron is probably spreading through parts of Africa too, but they aren't even running tests over there, let alone specifically screening for Omicron.
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
238 messages
joined Feb 2013
#283 ·
bluerider63 said:And you're telling me there isn't a single flight heading toward those major African cities?

There are flights to major cities in Africa—it’s just that they aren't packed like sardines!
Andrew Murphy5 Andrew Murphy5 Member
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joined May 2023
#284 ·
Kolarić says they're tweaking the PCR tests to catch this new strain🤦
coastalorca19 coastalorca19 Member
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joined Oct 2021
#285 ·
William Barrett7 said:Over half a million Americans have dealt with COVID and didn't die. The risk of a fatal outcome is mostly under 2%.

That’s 600,000 confirmed cases. Now, if you take that number and multiply it by what they claim the actual infection rate is—say, three times the official count?—what do you get? We may never know the exact figure, but it is undeniably much higher than the number of officially confirmed cases.
coastalorca19 coastalorca19 Member
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joined Oct 2021
#286 ·
Richard Campbell3 said:It’s quite amusing how we see ten cases pop up globally and suddenly everyone is an expert on who the virus targets and how dangerous it actually is. Yet, nobody is calling for a lockdown anymore. I just read an article speculating about how many cases China would have seen if they had behaved like Europe, but strangely, no one thought to write an article suggesting that if Europe and the rest of the world had acted like China did back then, we wouldn't even be dealing with this mess today. But of course, that’s unthinkable... the economy would have collapsed, or so they say, even though it clearly hasn't yet.

They even have vaccines ready for this new strain.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...nt-2021-11-26/
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
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joined Apr 2021
#287 ·
Andrew Murphy5 said:Kolarić says they're tweaking the PCR tests to catch this new strain🤦

You want to know why he’s making that claim? It’s because once Omicron shows up, you can catch it with a standard PCR test anyway—there's a deficiency in the S gene, so there's no real need for a full-blown genetic analysis.
Lisa Barnes5 Lisa Barnes5 Member
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joined Nov 2008
#288 ·
Linda Lee4 said:"People who got their shots against COVID-19 might actually find themselves less protected against this new Omicron variant than those who caught the virus and recovered naturally," says Dr. Alojz Ihan, a prominent immunologist.

Shut down the internet and start untangling cables... ☕

Let me beef up this post by adding a news article

Assuming the experts are right here—we're looking at a weaker strain that doesn't mess with people who already have natural immunity. And if we assume there are at least 600,000 such people in a US city of 3.8 million, I guess I don't see any point in even talking about mandatory vaccinations. It feels like it just undermines their natural defenses and puts their health at risk.
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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joined Dec 2010
#289 ·
Lisa Barnes5 said:Let me beef up this post by adding a news article

Assuming the experts are right here—we're looking at a weaker strain that doesn't mess with people who already have natural immunity. And if we assume there are at least 600,000 such people in a US city of 3.8 million, I guess I don't see any point in even talking about mandatory vaccinations. It feels like it just undermines their natural defenses and puts their health at risk.

"Jeopardize natural immunity?" Seriously? Which anti-vax website did you pick that phrase up from?
Henry Williams81 Henry Williams81 Newcomer
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#290 ·
Lisa Barnes5 said:Let me beef up this post by adding a news article

Assuming the experts are right here—we're looking at a weaker strain that doesn't mess with people who already have natural immunity. And if we assume there are at least 600,000 such people in a US city of 3.8 million, I guess I don't see any point in even talking about mandatory vaccinations. It feels like it just undermines their natural defenses and puts their health at risk.

Generally speaking, I tend to be quite skeptical about quoting scientists until a few weeks have passed—especially when they're coming from abroad. Believe me, it won't be long before some overseas researcher pops up claiming the world is ending. Those types can get rather extreme.

Based on what we're seeing with those infected in Europe, it seems like the virus itself isn't causing much harm, though the secondary illnesses certainly do. Everything that has hit the media so far has looked like nothing more than a common cold. Still, we can't say for certain regarding the infection rate itself just yet.
On top of that, we have Jordan, where things are nowhere near being in chaos.
Lisa Barnes5 Lisa Barnes5 Member
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#291 ·
Henry Williams81 said:Generally speaking, I tend to be quite skeptical about quoting scientists until a few weeks have passed—especially when they're coming from abroad. Believe me, it won't be long before some overseas researcher pops up claiming the world is ending. Those types can get rather extreme.

Based on what we're seeing with those infected in Europe, it seems like the virus itself isn't causing much harm, though the secondary illnesses certainly do. Everything that has hit the media so far has looked like nothing more than a common cold. Still, we can't say for certain regarding the infection rate itself just yet.
On top of that, we have Jordan, where things are nowhere near being in chaos.

I'm with you—especially when it comes to those news articles from outlets like that. But look, I only brought up what that guy was saying based on the assumption that he’s actually telling the truth... maybe.

Look, the fact is—natural immunity just holds up better and longer than the shots. Honestly, even without Omicron being what it is, I don't see why we need mandatory vaccination for everyone when so many people already have that natural protection. The vaccines were basically built for Alpha—they kind of fall apart once you hit Delta... but natural immunity stays in the game. Hopefully, it holds steady against Omicron too. 🍿
Lisa Barnes5 Lisa Barnes5 Member
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joined Nov 2008
#292 ·
Nicole James said:"Jeopardize natural immunity?" Seriously? Which anti-vax website did you pick that phrase up from?

Not from some website—just watching the people around me. Real life, I guess.
Linda Lee4 Linda Lee4 Active Member
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#293 ·
Henry Williams81 said:Generally speaking, I tend to be quite skeptical about quoting scientists until a few weeks have passed—especially when they're coming from abroad. Believe me, it won't be long before some overseas researcher pops up claiming the world is ending. Those types can get rather extreme.

Based on what we're seeing with those infected in Europe, it seems like the virus itself isn't causing much harm, though the secondary illnesses certainly do. Everything that has hit the media so far has looked like nothing more than a common cold. Still, we can't say for certain regarding the infection rate itself just yet.
On top of that, we have Jordan, where things are nowhere near being in chaos.

Oh please, if something happens to support the vaccination narrative, suddenly it’s legitimate science and expertise, while the rest of us are just uneducated.

Now that it's becoming logically clear that vaccine-induced immunity is limited, and this new strain has 20 mutations on the S protein—which isn't particularly strange or unusual—let's just wait and see...

I'm telling you, the tide is turning, and you'll all eventually regret supporting mandates for groups of people who don't need them based on any reasonable metric or statistic.

That's why I'm actually "looking forward" to this strain; it might finally shatter the myths and dogmas that have taken such a firm hold. Not to mention the inevitable confirmations that would render everything previously claimed completely meaningless.

For instance, because of this new strain, the United Kingdom is introducing mandatory PCR testing two days after arriving in the country, along with forced isolation until results come back, regardless of whether someone is vaccinated...
wiredrider982 wiredrider982 Member
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joined Nov 2021
#294 ·
Andrew Murphy5 said:Kolarić says they're tweaking the PCR tests to catch this new strain🤦

How exactly does one "adjust" them, if that isn't some sort of secret?
mellowowl40 mellowowl40 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2021
#295 ·
https://www.news24.com/news24/southa...-nicd-20211129
Jassat mentioned there have been about 455 hospitalizations in the D.C. area over just the last fourteen days.

"Most of the folks coming in aren't vaccinated—just a tiny fraction are partially or fully vaccinated," they noted.

Apparently, getting the shot might even help you dodge the infection altogether, according to Jassat.

The CDC's Dr. Nicholas Crisp pointed out: "We've got roughly 16.5 million people vaccinated right now. Only a tiny sliver of them have tested positive. Compared to the unvaccinated group, it’s practically negligible."

Unben Pillay, a general practitioner based out of Georgia, noted a sudden spike in cases over the past two weeks, though he mentioned the symptoms seem pretty mild.

It’s really nothing major. We’re seeing patients come in with things like a dry cough, fevers, night sweats, and a whole lot of body aches. People who are vaccinated generally fare a lot better.
Henry Williams81 Henry Williams81 Newcomer
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#296 ·
mellowowl40 said:https://www.news24.com/news24/southa...-nicd-20211129
Jassat mentioned there have been about 455 hospitalizations in the D.C. area over just the last fourteen days.

"Most of the folks coming in aren't vaccinated—just a tiny fraction are partially or fully vaccinated," they noted.

Apparently, getting the shot might even help you dodge the infection altogether, according to Jassat.

The CDC's Dr. Nicholas Crisp pointed out: "We've got roughly 16.5 million people vaccinated right now. Only a tiny sliver of them have tested positive. Compared to the unvaccinated group, it’s practically negligible."

Unben Pillay, a general practitioner based out of Georgia, noted a sudden spike in cases over the past two weeks, though he mentioned the symptoms seem pretty mild.

It’s really nothing major. We’re seeing patients come in with things like a dry cough, fevers, night sweats, and a whole lot of body aches. People who are vaccinated generally fare a lot better.

I honestly can't wrap my head around the criteria they're using to hospitalize people—it seems like anyone with a dry cough, a bit of a sweat, or just general flu-like symptoms is getting sent to the ward. I truly hope we're talking about the elderly here; because if some 50-year-old anti-vaxxer starts crying for a hospital bed just because they have a sore throat, then frankly, it’s quite pathetic how much people have lost their perspective. If more people had a bit more grit—much like myself, if I do say so myself—we wouldn't be in this mess.
Lisa Barnes5 Lisa Barnes5 Member
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#297 ·
Henry Williams81 said:I honestly can't wrap my head around the criteria they're using to hospitalize people—it seems like anyone with a dry cough, a bit of a sweat, or just general flu-like symptoms is getting sent to the ward. I truly hope we're talking about the elderly here; because if some 50-year-old anti-vaxxer starts crying for a hospital bed just because they have a sore throat, then frankly, it’s quite pathetic how much people have lost their perspective. If more people had a bit more grit—much like myself, if I do say so myself—we wouldn't be in this mess.

What does "hospitalization" actually mean anyway? Like, is it staying in the hospital for a week? Just one night? Occupying a bed? Twelve hours? Or just showing up for an exam or picking up test results?
Hannah Stewart Hannah Stewart Member
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joined Feb 2023
#298 ·
Lisa Barnes5 said:What does "hospitalization" actually mean anyway? Like, is it staying in the hospital for a week? Just one night? Occupying a bed? Twelve hours? Or just showing up for an exam or picking up test results?

In my understanding, a COVID-19 hospitalization refers to the total duration of a patient's stay in the hospital for treatment. Looking back at some data we had for America leading up to the summer of 2021, I found this:

"Precise statistics regarding the exact number of days required for hospital treatment for those suffering from COVID-19 are still somewhat elusive, though according to the CDC, based on a limited sample of hospitalized patients for whom data is currently available, the average length of hospitalization was 11.5 days..

This would suggest that those hospitalized were staying nearly twice as long as the typical average: prior to the pandemic, the average length of stay was about eight days, and in acute care hospitals, it was roughly six days.

That said, the data tends to vary quite a bit depending on the specific facility—for instance, at a hospital in a city similar to Varaždin, the intensive care unit handled 11 percent of all hospitalizations, which aligns with the national average, though the mortality rate there reached 25.7 percent. At that same Varaždin General Hospital, the average stay for a COVID-19 patient lasted as long as 16 days. Meanwhile, at the Rijeka University Hospital COVID ward, hospitalizations were notably shorter, averaging about 8.89 days."
Hannah Stewart Hannah Stewart Member
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#299 ·
I think I read somewhere that patients on ventilators stay hooked up for an average of about 15 days, though I suppose if anyone has a reliable source for that, I’d love to see it.

It’s true that some people are kept in the hospital as a precaution because their condition might take a turn for the worse at any moment, but for most, the stay is necessary simply because the recovery process is just incredibly long. Perhaps these kinds of statistics are what make certain people on Reddit feel like COVID is such an overwhelming burden on the healthcare system. But if we try to put things into perspective, it's interesting—after laparoscopic surgeries, patients are typically sent home after two or three days; even for women undergoing C-sections, where they literally undergo major abdominal surgery, the standard discharge is usually around seven days (!). Meanwhile, COVID patients might spend ten days or so just struggling to get enough oxygen until they finally start to stabilize. It helps to look at the broader picture.
boldotter2 boldotter2 Active Member
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joined Mar 2020
#300 ·
Henry Williams81 said:Generally speaking, I tend to be quite skeptical about quoting scientists until a few weeks have passed—especially when they're coming from abroad. Believe me, it won't be long before some overseas researcher pops up claiming the world is ending. Those types can get rather extreme.

Based on what we're seeing with those infected in Europe, it seems like the virus itself isn't causing much harm, though the secondary illnesses certainly do. Everything that has hit the media so far has looked like nothing more than a common cold. Still, we can't say for certain regarding the infection rate itself just yet.
On top of that, we have Jordan, where things are nowhere near being in chaos.

The big thing with Omicron is that, so far, it's mostly just caused a stir because of all its mutations and how different it is from the original strain. So, again, right now, caution is really just a scientific precaution. For the third time now, I don't think there's a medical reason to panic.

As it stands, Omicron is way more contagious than Delta, and usually, high contagiousness means the virus causes milder illness.

Let's hope—knock on wood, fingers crossed, and maybe a little prayer or meditation—that we're finally moving into a phase where the people in charge catch up to our level...

We might actually find a historical precedent for this. Like the H1N1 virus transitioning from a pandemic to seasonal flu. Or maybe that OC43 coronavirus that people think caused the 1890 pandemic before it became a regular cold. It took flu two years to settle down, and maybe five or six for the other one.

Or maybe this is all just more wishful thinking, just like every other time we've dealt with this junk. The next two weeks will be the real test. ☕

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