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Sandra Baker41 Sandra Baker41 Member
10 messages
joined Apr 2021
#301 ·
In a country currently grappling with Omicron 159 new cases, most people aren't even bothering to get tested since they don't feel particularly sick anyway...
It honestly feels like the pandemic is finally becoming passé.
So, I am officially declaring the end of the pandemic here on Reddit

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ntry/botswana/
granitehawk38 granitehawk38 Newcomer
1 message
joined Nov 2021
#302 ·
Kyle Nelson2 said:I honestly find it mind-blowing how people are just out here booking international flights like nothing happened. Look, I get it, they’ve had their shots, but seriously? Just chill on the travel frenzy for a year or so. You’ll have plenty of time to make up for lost trips later...

🤣
Linda Harris59 Linda Harris59 Active Member
66 messages
joined May 2011
#303 ·
boldotter2 said:The big thing with Omicron is that, so far, it's mostly just caused a stir because of all its mutations and how different it is from the original strain. So, again, right now, caution is really just a scientific precaution. For the third time now, I don't think there's a medical reason to panic.

As it stands, Omicron is way more contagious than Delta, and usually, high contagiousness means the virus causes milder illness.

Let's hope—knock on wood, fingers crossed, and maybe a little prayer or meditation—that we're finally moving into a phase where the people in charge catch up to our level...

We might actually find a historical precedent for this. Like the H1N1 virus transitioning from a pandemic to seasonal flu. Or maybe that OC43 coronavirus that people think caused the 1890 pandemic before it became a regular cold. It took flu two years to settle down, and maybe five or six for the other one.

Or maybe this is all just more wishful thinking, just like every other time we've dealt with this junk. The next two weeks will be the real test. ☕

It feels to me like we are approaching the end of the pandemic if a highly contagious but harmless variant becomes dominant. Look at Japan, for example, where Delta essentially wiped itself out by being too aggressive.
Samuel Turner2 Samuel Turner2 Active MemberOP
50 messages
joined May 2023
#304 ·
I’ve gotta say, I’m having a really hard time buying this whole thing about Delta committing suicide in Japan... 🤔
Susan Martin4 Susan Martin4 Active Member
130 messages
joined Apr 2023
#305 ·
It’ll just be a mess if people start freaking out over some mild variant numbers. At the end of the day, what actually matters is how things are moving—specifically, the count of new positive tests.
Linda Harris59 Linda Harris59 Active Member
66 messages
joined May 2011
#306 ·
Samuel Turner2 said:I’ve gotta say, I’m having a really hard time buying this whole thing about Delta committing suicide in Japan... 🤔

There is actually some logic to it. If a virus keeps mutating indefinitely, eventually it’s going to lose its edge and its core properties.
Matthew Rodriguez9 Matthew Rodriguez9 Active Member
93 messages
joined Feb 2012
#307 ·
Linda Harris59 said:There is actually some logic to it. If a virus keeps mutating indefinitely, eventually it’s going to lose its edge and its core properties.

Linda Harris59, man, I wish it were actually that simple...

You could also look at it this way... once there are enough mutations, it becomes a nightmare to even track.
Ronald Howard3 Ronald Howard3 Member
14 messages
joined Jan 2018
#308 ·
Linda Harris59 said:There is actually some logic to it. If a virus keeps mutating indefinitely, eventually it’s going to lose its edge and its core properties.

The whole "self-destructing virus" theory in Japan doesn't quite sit right with me. It makes more sense that we've hit a tipping point where enough people have immunity that the virus hasn't managed to mutate fast enough to bypass it. That isn't the virus killing itself off—it's just how our natural defenses work.
Linda Harris59 Linda Harris59 Active Member
66 messages
joined May 2011
#309 ·
Ronald Howard3 said:The whole "self-destructing virus" theory in Japan doesn't quite sit right with me. It makes more sense that we've hit a tipping point where enough people have immunity that the virus hasn't managed to mutate fast enough to bypass it. That isn't the virus killing itself off—it's just how our natural defenses work.

Actually, it does make sense. Because vaccination rates were so high, the Delta variant was able to seize total dominance. It kept mutating relentlessly until it eventually transitioned into something else—something harmless.

It’s likely just a natural mechanism. We've seen this pattern play out throughout history.
Nathan Evans78 Nathan Evans78 Regular
283 messages
joined Aug 2019
#310 ·
At this point, it’s turning into a total tragicomedy. We really need at least another month just to get the facts straight regarding this new strain, yet somehow everyone is already acting like an absolute expert on the whole situation. 😵
urbanwalker72 urbanwalker72 Active Member
147 messages
joined Aug 2021
#311 ·
Ronald Howard3 said:The whole "self-destructing virus" theory in Japan doesn't quite sit right with me. It makes more sense that we've hit a tipping point where enough people have immunity that the virus hasn't managed to mutate fast enough to bypass it. That isn't the virus killing itself off—it's just how our natural defenses work.

Viruses of this nature tend to mutate slowly, gradually becoming less hazardous with each successive iteration. The primary complication here is that this specific virus evolves at a relatively sluggish pace. If it were mutating more rapidly, we might have already seen it become significantly milder—much like what we see hints of with Omicron—or perhaps even burn itself out, which is the theory being whispered regarding what may have occurred in Japan and parts of India.

In fact, certain antiviral strategies actually rely on accelerating these mutations to achieve a similar effect.

Even if we set immune responses aside, a virus can accumulate errors within its spike protein that could eventually render it incapable of latching onto a cell entirely.

In its ancestral state, the virus was animal-based, and it was specifically those initial mutations to that protein that allowed it to bridge the gap and infect human cells.

It is statistically more probable that the virus will eventually hit an evolutionary "sweet spot," where it achieves incredibly high transmissibility while presenting a very mild clinical profile. That is essentially the essence of evolutionary optimization.

Ultimately, time should be our ally in managing this pandemic; the virus will likely settle into a pattern similar to the seasonal flu.
bluepuma9 bluepuma9 Active Member
69 messages
joined Jun 2018
#312 ·
Hospitalizations in California have shot up by 330% over just the last two weeks. This is the same state where Omicron first popped up, and let's not forget they have some of the lowest vaccination rates in the country. They’re still pushing the narrative that cases are milder than previous variants, but if that's true, I don't get why people are flooding the hospitals at this rate.
Linda Harris59 Linda Harris59 Active Member
66 messages
joined May 2011
#313 ·
Nathan Evans78 said:At this point, it’s turning into a total tragicomedy. We really need at least another month just to get the facts straight regarding this new strain, yet somehow everyone is already acting like an absolute expert on the whole situation. 😵

If you actually bother to re-read my previous post, you’ll see that I clearly stated my position makes sense. In Japan, they are still actively researching this entire phenomenon, and in a free society, people are perfectly entitled to express their opinions.

It doesn't matter when the final scientific studies are released—the anti-vax crowd isn't going to believe them anyway. They’ll just pivot to their usual excuse about Ivermectin. 😁
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
173 messages
joined Apr 2021
#314 ·
bluepuma9 said:Hospitalizations in California have shot up by 330% over just the last two weeks. This is the same state where Omicron first popped up, and let's not forget they have some of the lowest vaccination rates in the country. They’re still pushing the narrative that cases are milder than previous variants, but if that's true, I don't get why people are flooding the hospitals at this rate.

The CDC has a pretty clear site, if you can actually make sense of it.

https://www.nicd.ac.za/diseases-a-z-...datcov-report/

(Page 1 of 3, then just select California)
Samuel Turner2 Samuel Turner2 Active MemberOP
50 messages
joined May 2023
#315 ·
Linda Harris59 said:If you actually bother to re-read my previous post, you’ll see that I clearly stated my position makes sense. In Japan, they are still actively researching this entire phenomenon, and in a free society, people are perfectly entitled to express their opinions.

It doesn't matter when the final scientific studies are released—the anti-vax crowd isn't going to believe them anyway. They’ll just pivot to their usual excuse about Ivermectin. 😁

Meanwhile, for the pro-vaxxers, the high vaccination rates are their only metric. 😁

Honestly, I’m starting to think there's a third factor at play here...
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
285 messages
joined Feb 2011
#316 ·
bluepuma9 said:Hospitalizations in California have shot up by 330% over just the last two weeks. This is the same state where Omicron first popped up, and let's not forget they have some of the lowest vaccination rates in the country. They’re still pushing the narrative that cases are milder than previous variants, but if that's true, I don't get why people are flooding the hospitals at this rate.

Someone really ought to put together a compilation of all the moronic, half-baked articles published by news portals and daily papers over the last two years. 🤦
Grace Edwards Grace Edwards Active Member
184 messages
joined May 2023
#317 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Someone really ought to put together a compilation of all the moronic, half-baked articles published by news portals and daily papers over the last two years. 🤦

Actually, one of our guys already did the work for you. Here you go:
slystag4 slystag4 Member
20 messages
joined Jan 2024
#318 ·
Grace Edwards said:Actually, one of our guys already did the work for you. Here you go:

Was this specifically put together for Lauc and Bakica?
Linda Harris59 Linda Harris59 Active Member
66 messages
joined May 2011
#319 ·
Samuel Turner2 said:Meanwhile, for the pro-vaxxers, the high vaccination rates are their only metric. 😁

Honestly, I’m starting to think there's a third factor at play here...

That sounds exactly like the logic being used by scientists over in Japan.

They didn't claim that high vaccination coverage or herd immunity was the driver; they argued the virus essentially neutralized itself through mutation.

Here's a thought: how should we interpret that doctor's statement?

We’ve been conditioned to believe that every single physician is just a mercenary for Pfizer, tasked with pushing vaccines down our throats. Yet, when doctors in Japan suggest the virus simply mutated itself out of existence, it completely shatters the anti-vax narrative. It doesn't fit their worldview at all.
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
285 messages
joined Feb 2011
#320 ·
slystag4 said:Was this specifically put together for Lauc and Bakica?

Fine, then make us laugh. Though honestly, catching up to these idiots is going to be an uphill battle.

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