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Megan Harris Megan Harris MemberOP
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joined May 2021
#1 ·
Greetings.

I’ve been looking at some new developments over in Washington, D.C. The building is in a mixed-use zone. Half the units are registered as residential apartments, but the other half are officially listed as short-term rentals or commercial suites, even though they’re being marketed as standard condos.

Most of the actual residential units are already off the market; all that’s left are these few commercial-style units.

Can anyone shed some light on this: what does that actually mean in practice?

1. If I buy one of these units, can I actually live there full-time like a normal resident?
2. I’m aware that utility rates tend to be higher for commercial designations.
3. Are there any other hidden taxes, extra fees, or legal headaches involved in living in a unit like that?
4. Is it legally permissible to stay there 365 days a year without interruption?
5. Can I register my primary residence at an address like this?

Thanks.
steelwalker26 steelwalker26 Active Member
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joined Jan 2019
#2 ·
Is that just some trendy new way to say studio apartment?🤔
Megan Harris Megan Harris MemberOP
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#3 ·
steelwalker26 said:Is that just some trendy new way to say studio apartment?🤔

No. Their smallest units are 540 square feet, their largest top out at 800.

Empty units, zero renovations, everything looks identical to the "standard" apartments on the other half of the building.
It’s all the same. On paper, half the building is zoned as residential apartments, while the other half is labeled as short-term rentals.
steelwalker26 steelwalker26 Active Member
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joined Jan 2019
#4 ·
Megan Harris said:No. Their smallest units are 540 square feet, their largest top out at 800.

Empty units, zero renovations, everything looks identical to the "standard" apartments on the other half of the building.
It’s all the same. On paper, half the building is zoned as residential apartments, while the other half is labeled as short-term rentals.

And what exactly are you basing those questions in your first post on? You're acting like people are buying limited fractional ownership or something. Where did this talk about different zones even come from?
Michael Jackson10 Michael Jackson10 Active Member
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#5 ·
steelwalker26 said:And what exactly are you basing those questions in your first post on? You're acting like people are buying limited fractional ownership or something. Where did this talk about different zones even come from?

Look, I'm bringing this up for a very real reason. This building was actually designed as a condo complex—meaning it's built for business use, specifically short-term rentals, not for permanent residents.
It's basically a developer's trick. They take a lot zoned for commercial use and build something that everyone will actually use as a standard residential unit. They probably couldn't get a permit for a pure residential building because the land is strictly designated for mixed-use commercial and residential structures.

I'm mentioning this because I saw a similar mess happen in San Francisco. There was this one building where the owners spent years fighting with the IRS over taxes. Even though they were officially registered at that address, the government kept treating them like they were just tourists. There was even some drama regarding local occupancy taxes... that whole headache lasted maybe 7 or 8 years before things supposedly got sorted out, but I stopped following that story.

Bottom line: it's not a naive question. Building usage, rezoning... all that stuff that seems totally nonsensical is actually full of legal traps. In this context, an "apartment" isn't just some fancy word for a small flat...
Megan Harris Megan Harris MemberOP
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#6 ·
I’ve been digging into the nuances between buying a house versus an apartment unit.
Spent some time scrolling through old threads on here too.
On top of that, I’ve heard people whispering about the headaches of buying vacation condos—specifically how you can't stay there indefinitely or even establish residency.
Naturally, that led me down a rabbit hole of websites discussing those exact issues.
The information is a mess; one source says yes, another says absolutely not.

The developer of this building, however, claims the only difference is that utilities run about 10-20% higher, and everything else is basically identical.

I even went as far as calling the local zoning office, but they weren't particularly helpful. They didn't seem to know if there were actual legal distinctions or even who the right authority would be to ask.
They did mention utility costs might be higher, but anything beyond that was news to them.

Their only real advice? Go check with someone else...
steelwalker26 steelwalker26 Active Member
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#7 ·
Alright. I assumed there would be some specific language in the listing addressing these issues. Regarding the utility rooms—are you suggesting that section of the building was constructed with inferior insulation compared to the rest? That seems like an incredibly inefficient way to build.
Megan Harris Megan Harris MemberOP
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#8 ·
Electric Rabbit, thanks.

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head.
From what I’ve gathered digging into this, the lot the building sits on is situated almost entirely within a commercial zone.
Residential units aren't even an option there UNLESS the building maintains at least 51% commercial space.
So, here is how they play the game: they build a structure with, say, 100 units.
Half are standard apartments, and the other half are classified as short-term rentals or "apartments."
Then they toss in one single retail space on the ground floor, and suddenly: boom, you’re sitting at 51-52% commercial.

I actually called the local zoning office to ask about rezoning, and they told me it’s highly unlikely—if they changed it, the building would drop below that 50% threshold.
The permit explicitly states it can ONLY be built if it stays above the 50% mark for commercial units.

Regarding what you mentioned about San Francisco, I’ve heard similar stories.
In some spots, there’s absolutely nothing left, while in others, people can barely afford to live or find themselves getting hammered by taxes just because they’re technically involved in tourism (even when they're just living in their own homes).

But then again, nobody truly knows the full extent of it.
Jack Collins58 Jack Collins58 Member
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#9 ·
Since most of San Francisco is basically just one giant tourist trap now, they’ve gone ahead and crammed apartments everywhere in the main zones.
Megan Harris Megan Harris MemberOP
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#10 ·
steelwalker26 said:Alright. I assumed there would be some specific language in the listing addressing these issues. Regarding the utility rooms—are you suggesting that section of the building was constructed with inferior insulation compared to the rest? That seems like an incredibly inefficient way to build.

The listing calls it a condo.

Then you find out it’s actually a commercial unit.

As for the utility setup: the entire building is built to the same standard.
But here is the catch. If you buy a standard 550 sq. ft. apartment, your electric bill might be $67 a month, billed at the residential rate.

But if you buy one of these units, even with the exact same square footage and usage, you’re looking at $250$100 because you're stuck with commercial rates.

It’s like when someone signs up for an internet package at AT&T for $100, while the guy next door pays $250 for the exact same speed.

That's the reality of it.
Same service, same usage, but you pay a premium simply because the law classifies your home as a "business entity."
Megan Harris Megan Harris MemberOP
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#11 ·
Jack Collins58 said:Since most of San Francisco is basically just one giant tourist trap now, they’ve gone ahead and crammed apartments everywhere in the main zones.

Thanks.

Do you happen to have any firsthand intel on a few things:
1. Is actually living in one of these units even feasible?
2. Are there any lingering tax implications if it was just a primary residence rather than a rental property?
3. What kind of practical headaches should I expect once I'm in?
4. Is it common for an entire building to eventually be rezoned back to standard residential use after a few years, like what Electric Rabbit mentioned in that other post?
steelwalker26 steelwalker26 Active Member
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joined Jan 2019
#12 ·
Look, it’s all just legal maneuvering 🤦 rather than an actual physical issue. Just typical small-town bureaucracy.
Jacob Alvarez Jacob Alvarez Active Member
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#13 ·
Hold up.
With vacation rentals, you're hitting higher development fees and you don't get those first-time homebuyer tax breaks. So the price tag ends up way higher than a standard apartment, right? Why is the OP even looking at this as a viable option?

I haven't heard of anyone actually converting an apartment unit back into a residential condo. It usually goes the other way. Developers build a complex with condos and then flip them into short-term rentals. There’s probably a reason for that.
I'm with the theory that the developer was forced into this just to cram as many units as possible into the building. And I highly doubt you can just switch it back. Not without jumping through a mountain of red tape.

Registering your residency isn't the hard part.
But that won't save you from the IRS interpreting every rule to squeeze more money out of you. The Department of Economic Development and Tourism might decide to drop by for a surprise inspection, too. Plus, your utility bills will be double since it's classified as commercial space.
Megan Harris Megan Harris MemberOP
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#14 ·
Jacob Alvarez said:Hold up.
With vacation rentals, you're hitting higher development fees and you don't get those first-time homebuyer tax breaks. So the price tag ends up way higher than a standard apartment, right? Why is the OP even looking at this as a viable option?

I haven't heard of anyone actually converting an apartment unit back into a residential condo. It usually goes the other way. Developers build a complex with condos and then flip them into short-term rentals. There’s probably a reason for that.
I'm with the theory that the developer was forced into this just to cram as many units as possible into the building. And I highly doubt you can just switch it back. Not without jumping through a mountain of red tape.

Registering your residency isn't the hard part.
But that won't save you from the IRS interpreting every rule to squeeze more money out of you. The Department of Economic Development and Tourism might decide to drop by for a surprise inspection, too. Plus, your utility bills will be double since it's classified as commercial space.

Actually, I already pulled the trigger on the condo.
It's new construction.
I needed a place. Prices are skyrocketing at an insane rate, and the neighborhood checked all my boxes.
Most units are sold out before they even break ground, and then you’re stuck waiting another year or two just to move in.
This one was near completion, available immediately, so I jumped on it.

Before I signed anything, the developer told me the zoning could be converted to residential through the local planning department. Said it happens all the time. No big deal.
Easy enough.

I ran it by a lawyer. He said it was doable, provided part of the building stays commercial—you know, retail or office space.
Since the structure has to remain mixed-use.

It seemed like a mere formality.

But once the papers were signed and I actually went to the city planning office, I found out the building is classified as an Object Inc. designation. That means it can't just have a tiny 1% or 10% slice of commercial space. More than 50% of the total square footage has to remain strictly commercial.
Apparently, having a couple of shops on the ground floor doesn't cut it; half the entire building has to stay zoned for business.

So, here I am.

I’m calling various municipal offices, and nobody knows anything beyond the fact that utility rates for these units are higher.

There isn't a single soul who seems to have a real answer.

All I know is what I've read here, and it looks like my next steps involve more lawyers, the IRS, and whatever local tourism board handles these specific regulations. This is a mess.

Thanks for the input.
Jacob Alvarez Jacob Alvarez Active Member
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joined Apr 2021
#15 ·
From what I can tell, there’s nothing stopping you from actually living there.
As for anything else? Who knows.

I saw this play out once in some small town down in Florida. Some expat bought an apartment and moved in year-round. Now he's getting squeezed by both the IRS and his home country's tax folks because they don't view him as a resident, so he can't dodge that double taxation nightmare.
Then there's my cousin, who bought a unit in that same building. But he hasn't officially registered his address there. I'll have to ask him why when I catch up with him—if I remember. Last year when we went to visit him, he actually had to check us in through the local county visitor registry. 🤷

Bottom line? The investor totally screwed you over.
Ronald Rogers5 Ronald Rogers5 Newcomer
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#16 ·
I actually went ahead and double-checked because I wanted to be absolutely certain.
Turns out, you can't qualify for a mortgage on that since it isn't classified as residential property. I personally looked into it with a few of the major players—JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, and Citigroup.

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