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Roger Hill3 Roger Hill3 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
So, the local municipality decided to map out some unclassified roads into the County Assessor's Office records, which basically meant slicing up my existing parcels. One plot became two. Everything looks fine on the deed now, I guess. But here's the kicker: the town never bothered to send me a single notice about this whole process. Since I was already mid-way through a legal battle to clean up my property titles, I ended up registering only half the land under the old parcel number. Then I had to start the whole damn process over again for the second part because it had a different number. Just more money down the drain. To top it off, my total acreage dropped by about 1,000 square feet. Look, I get it—the road has been there for over 40 years, and the records accurately reflect that reality. But they never issued an eminent domain order, and I certainly never saw any compensation check. If they’d actually paid me, that would be reflected in the records too, wouldn't it? Was the municipality actually required to notify owners before doing this, and is there any actual ground to stand on if I want to sue for compensation for the land they took?
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
376 messages
joined Oct 2017
#2 ·
Roger Hill3 said:So, the local municipality decided to map out some unclassified roads into the County Assessor's Office records, which basically meant slicing up my existing parcels. One plot became two. Everything looks fine on the deed now, I guess. But here's the kicker: the town never bothered to send me a single notice about this whole process. Since I was already mid-way through a legal battle to clean up my property titles, I ended up registering only half the land under the old parcel number. Then I had to start the whole damn process over again for the second part because it had a different number. Just more money down the drain. To top it off, my total acreage dropped by about 1,000 square feet. Look, I get it—the road has been there for over 40 years, and the records accurately reflect that reality. But they never issued an eminent domain order, and I certainly never saw any compensation check. If they’d actually paid me, that would be reflected in the records too, wouldn't it? Was the municipality actually required to notify owners before doing this, and is there any actual ground to stand on if I want to sue for compensation for the land they took?

Well, there was probably a public notice published in the local paper listing all the affected parcels. As for compensation, I wouldn't hold my breath. Since the road has been there and in use for more than 20 years, it likely falls under adverse possession rules.
placidviper12 placidviper12 Member
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joined Jun 2009
#3 ·
Everything was done strictly by the book regarding road regulations. The public notices were everywhere—full-page spreads in the local papers, posted on official bulletin boards, and all over the government websites.
There’s no compensation involved here because, essentially, we're just updating the County Assessor's Office records to reflect a public roadway that’s already physically there, even if the paperwork hasn't caught up yet.
Roger Hill3 Roger Hill3 NewcomerOP
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#4 ·
Look, I’m not arguing about the 20+ acres. That road was physically there, no question. But they really should have sent out a formal notice regarding the changes to the County Assessor's Office records. It would have saved everyone from these extra headaches and fees. The courts don't care about what's actually happening on the ground or any adjustments to the official maps. It's just a cycle: new parcel, new legal process, more money down the drain.
Who else spends their life glued to the news or constantly checking those local community bulletin boards? There’s honestly no way to stay in the loop on this stuff unless it’s already been officially filed or you happen to overhear some neighbor gossiping about it.
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#5 ·
Roger Hill3 said:Look, I’m not arguing about the 20+ acres. That road was physically there, no question. But they really should have sent out a formal notice regarding the changes to the County Assessor's Office records. It would have saved everyone from these extra headaches and fees. The courts don't care about what's actually happening on the ground or any adjustments to the official maps. It's just a cycle: new parcel, new legal process, more money down the drain.
Who else spends their life glued to the news or constantly checking those local community bulletin boards? There’s honestly no way to stay in the loop on this stuff unless it’s already been officially filed or you happen to overhear some neighbor gossiping about it.

Maybe you could try getting a certification from the County Assessor's Office to prove that the parcel number mentioned in the court ruling matches up with the new numbers and sub-numbers in the current plat. I guess I'm not entirely sure if that's still an option these days, but it might be worth a shot.
William Nelson59 William Nelson59 Member
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joined Sep 2018
#6 ·
Hey. What's even the difference between an unclassified road and an existing public thoroughfare? My neighbor is trying to block me from driving my car on this established public road just because he bought a specific parcel from the County Assessor's Office about thirty years ago and claims he owns it. We took it to the local city council, and their response was basically, "It’s an existing public road." So... what does that actually mean? It seems pretty obvious to me that it's a PUBLIC ROAD, but how am I supposed to handle this guy without starting a massive feud? Lp
Steven Young23 Steven Young23 Member
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joined Mar 2013
#7 ·
The public road you’re describing fits the legal definition of an unclassified roadway. I should clarify one thing, though: having something recorded in the County Assessor's Office doesn't actually grant ownership; it merely denotes a specific type of possession. True ownership is tied strictly to the property deed.
The local government—whether it’s the City Hall or the county administration—can resolve this. Under current transit laws, they are responsible for officially recording that road, which involves drafting a formal survey and ensuring the data is correctly transferred to both the deed and the County Assessor's Office.
William Nelson59 William Nelson59 Member
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joined Sep 2018
#8 ·
Steven Young23 said:The public road you’re describing fits the legal definition of an unclassified roadway. I should clarify one thing, though: having something recorded in the County Assessor's Office doesn't actually grant ownership; it merely denotes a specific type of possession. True ownership is tied strictly to the property deed.
The local government—whether it’s the City Hall or the county administration—can resolve this. Under current transit laws, they are responsible for officially recording that road, which involves drafting a formal survey and ensuring the data is correctly transferred to both the deed and the County Assessor's Office.

Thanks for the info. I checked the local property records online and my neighbor is listed as the owner, but the land is marked as a road. I have no clue where to find the actual deed, though. The local community board says it's an existing public road, but the neighbor put up a fence on part of it and claims he owns the whole thing. What am I even supposed to do??
Steven Young23 Steven Young23 Member
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joined Mar 2013
#9 ·
When you pull up a property deed through the County Assessor's Office's digital portal, it opens the integrated land management system. If you navigate to the "parcel overview" section ( take a look under the following tabs:
graphics / view Deed/Property Record / view Ownership/Property Record
. From there, open the Ownership/Property Record tab, and you'll find all the ownership details right there.
In the event that a road is officially designated as a public thoroughfare, the local municipality is legally obligated to ensure it remains passable. If they fail to maintain access, the appropriate recourse would be for the municipality to file a lawsuit to address the obstruction of a public roadway.
William Nelson59 William Nelson59 Member
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joined Sep 2018
#10 ·
Steven Young23 said:When you pull up a property deed through the County Assessor's Office's digital portal, it opens the integrated land management system. If you navigate to the "parcel overview" section ( take a look under the following tabs:
graphics / view Deed/Property Record / view Ownership/Property Record
. From there, open the Ownership/Property Record tab, and you'll find all the ownership details right there.
In the event that a road is officially designated as a public thoroughfare, the local municipality is legally obligated to ensure it remains passable. If they fail to maintain access, the appropriate recourse would be for the municipality to file a lawsuit to address the obstruction of a public roadway.

Thanks for the help, I guess. 👍
William Nelson59 William Nelson59 Member
35 messages
joined Sep 2018
#11 ·
Steven Young23 said:When you pull up a property deed through the County Assessor's Office's digital portal, it opens the integrated land management system. If you navigate to the "parcel overview" section ( take a look under the following tabs:
graphics / view Deed/Property Record / view Ownership/Property Record
. From there, open the Ownership/Property Record tab, and you'll find all the ownership details right there.
In the event that a road is officially designated as a public thoroughfare, the local municipality is legally obligated to ensure it remains passable. If they fail to maintain access, the appropriate recourse would be for the municipality to file a lawsuit to address the obstruction of a public roadway.

I checked, and yeah, I've looked at this before too. It says the parcel is a ROAD, but the owner is listed as the neighbor?? Maybe it just hasn't been updated yet or something.🙄
Steven Young23 Steven Young23 Member
41 messages
joined Mar 2013
#12 ·
Besides, that’s private property. My neighbor owns it outright.
If the local municipality wants to claim it's a public thoroughfare, they can go ahead and officially record it on the deed for that parcel.
Otherwise, if you're looking into alternative arrangements, check out the previous thread regarding a service road.

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