Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Amanda Richardson7 said:Obviously, I’m not going to get into an argument or just stand there waiting for orders.
I'd politely chat with the cops, wish them a nice day, and look for an alternative route to continue my trip...

And what would the penalty be for that? 🤔
Or, what would actually happen if I were driving from Varazdin down to Split, for instance, and got pulled over without a permit?

They’ll tell you straight up that you aren't allowed into Split.

Why on earth would you come to Split? Is this really the best time for a visit?😁

I'm not really sure if we actually have any right to appeal if they deny a permit—is there somewhere specific where that's laid out?

Melissa Collins3 said:They’ll tell you straight up that you aren't allowed into Split.

Fine, that much is obvious.
And let's say they tell me to turn around—if I head back toward Vž, I’ll probably run into the exact same mess in Knin.
Will they actually let me pass through Knin to reach Vž, or will I be hunting for side roads just to dodge the police again?🤣

Charles Fox10 said:Why on earth would you come to Split? Is this really the best time for a visit?😁

I only mentioned Split as an example.
But since you asked, the plan for tomorrow is to tear up a two-wheeler on what's arguably the best motorcycle route in America.
Just testing the waters and encouraging others to try similar stunts.

Just to clarify regarding the "loner" thing. Wherever I go, I'll be on my own. The only time I'll interact with anyone is when I pull into a gas station to fuel up. And I don't see any issue with that; if I can function normally among crowds every day, I can certainly ride a bike by myself.☕

hollowmason64 said:So, just because some people are struggling mentally, what are we supposed to do? Tailor every single regulation to every individual person?
These measures were put in place to stop the spread of the virus as much as possible, not to mess with anyone for fun.

When will it end? When we see a decrease in new cases for several days in a row.

Started what? You might want to check the news—there haven't been any new infections in Istria over the last two days. And keep in mind, that decision isn't even at the local level; it's coming from the national government.

I don't see many options besides paying it. You could go to court and try your luck seeing if some judge takes pity on you, but the odds are slim. Most likely, you'll just end up paying the full amount plus legal fees.

I just don't get why all those highly successful expats suddenly decided to move back home. Was it maybe because they got kicked into high gear by all that supposed "financial stability" abroad?

That logic is completely flawed.

It isn’t just about "some" people—it's much broader than that. Honestly, if they push these excessive measures and act with this kind of misplaced intensity, it’s going to screw over way more than just a few individuals. I mean, we're talking about systemic fallout here, not just isolated incidents.

Aside from everything else, people are just going to be staying home and drinking themselves into oblivion—and honestly, that’s inevitably going to drive up the death toll. But, since those folks won't exactly show up in the official COVID-19 statistics, I guess it doesn't really matter to the bureaucrats.

Look, let’s be clear about this—these measures were implemented with the sole intention of preventing the spread of the infection as much as humanly possible; they weren't put in place just to mess with anyone or play games.

The Chinese are welding people's front doors shut under the guise of "maximum infection prevention." And you're actually standing behind that? Seriously?

When exactly is this all going to wrap up? I mean, honestly—when are we actually going to see those numbers for new cases drop for several days in a row?

Are you kidding me? Seriously?

Let's say, hypothetically, we see twenty new infections over the course of a week. What then—really? What’s the actual move at that point? Do you just flip a switch and allow people to start moving around and socializing again? Do you greenlight the return to classrooms? Or maybe you get the football league back on the schedule? I mean, I guess there has to be some kind of logic here, but I'm honestly not seeing the roadmap.

Charles Fox10 said:Why on earth would you come to Split? Is this really the best time for a visit?😁

Shouldn't an order be issued? Tomorrow, everyone needs to head to Split, Washington, D.C., and Osijek, including those in the surrounding areas.

Well, you see, I'm just not going to do it this time. I'm not moving when they give the order—no way.

She's always pushing back, to be fair.

🙂

Amanda Richardson7 said:Fine, that much is obvious.
And let's say they tell me to turn around—if I head back toward Vž, I’ll probably run into the exact same mess in Knin.
Will they actually let me pass through Knin to reach Vž, or will I be hunting for side roads just to dodge the police again?🤣

I only mentioned Split as an example.
But since you asked, the plan for tomorrow is to tear up a two-wheeler on what's arguably the best motorcycle route in America.
Just testing the waters and encouraging others to try similar stunts.

Just to clarify regarding the "loner" thing. Wherever I go, I'll be on my own. The only time I'll interact with anyone is when I pull into a gas station to fuel up. And I don't see any issue with that; if I can function normally among crowds every day, I can certainly ride a bike by myself.☕

Technically, they should let you through since you're heading back to your own home, but if you run into an officer who doesn't know how to interpret the regulations correctly, you'll end up looking for alternative routes once more.

Please keep us posted on how far you've made it out of Z so we can stay updated.

Nicholas King said:It isn’t just about "some" people—it's much broader than that. Honestly, if they push these excessive measures and act with this kind of misplaced intensity, it’s going to screw over way more than just a few individuals. I mean, we're talking about systemic fallout here, not just isolated incidents.

Aside from everything else, people are just going to be staying home and drinking themselves into oblivion—and honestly, that’s inevitably going to drive up the death toll. But, since those folks won't exactly show up in the official COVID-19 statistics, I guess it doesn't really matter to the bureaucrats.

Look, let’s be clear about this—these measures were implemented with the sole intention of preventing the spread of the infection as much as humanly possible; they weren't put in place just to mess with anyone or play games.

The Chinese are welding people's front doors shut under the guise of "maximum infection prevention." And you're actually standing behind that? Seriously?

When exactly is this all going to wrap up? I mean, honestly—when are we actually going to see those numbers for new cases drop for several days in a row?

Are you kidding me? Seriously?

Let's say, hypothetically, we see twenty new infections over the course of a week. What then—really? What’s the actual move at that point? Do you just flip a switch and allow people to start moving around and socializing again? Do you greenlight the return to classrooms? Or maybe you get the football league back on the schedule? I mean, I guess there has to be some kind of logic here, but I'm honestly not seeing the roadmap.

The exact same "logic" can be used by those who are actually *for* the bans... how?

Scaling back measures will mess with even more people because the virus spreads faster... there you go, an equally valid claim as yours, completely devoid of actual arguments...

Nicholas King said:It isn’t just about "some" people—it's much broader than that. Honestly, if they push these excessive measures and act with this kind of misplaced intensity, it’s going to screw over way more than just a few individuals. I mean, we're talking about systemic fallout here, not just isolated incidents.

Aside from everything else, people are just going to be staying home and drinking themselves into oblivion—and honestly, that’s inevitably going to drive up the death toll. But, since those folks won't exactly show up in the official COVID-19 statistics, I guess it doesn't really matter to the bureaucrats.

Look, let’s be clear about this—these measures were implemented with the sole intention of preventing the spread of the infection as much as humanly possible; they weren't put in place just to mess with anyone or play games.

The Chinese are welding people's front doors shut under the guise of "maximum infection prevention." And you're actually standing behind that? Seriously?

When exactly is this all going to wrap up? I mean, honestly—when are we actually going to see those numbers for new cases drop for several days in a row?

Are you kidding me? Seriously?

Let's say, hypothetically, we see twenty new infections over the course of a week. What then—really? What’s the actual move at that point? Do you just flip a switch and allow people to start moving around and socializing again? Do you greenlight the return to classrooms? Or maybe you get the football league back on the schedule? I mean, I guess there has to be some kind of logic here, but I'm honestly not seeing the roadmap.

No, what matters is that people have zero self-control...

Eating themselves into a stupor? Vauuuu...

So now, the supposed problem facing society is the group of people so unstable they can't physically pull their hands away from the fridge or a bottle?

I get the feeling that isolation isn't going to do much for people like that; they’ll always find some excuse to gorge themselves... and of course, they'll blame everyone else for it...

Nicholas King said:It isn’t just about "some" people—it's much broader than that. Honestly, if they push these excessive measures and act with this kind of misplaced intensity, it’s going to screw over way more than just a few individuals. I mean, we're talking about systemic fallout here, not just isolated incidents.

Aside from everything else, people are just going to be staying home and drinking themselves into oblivion—and honestly, that’s inevitably going to drive up the death toll. But, since those folks won't exactly show up in the official COVID-19 statistics, I guess it doesn't really matter to the bureaucrats.

Look, let’s be clear about this—these measures were implemented with the sole intention of preventing the spread of the infection as much as humanly possible; they weren't put in place just to mess with anyone or play games.

The Chinese are welding people's front doors shut under the guise of "maximum infection prevention." And you're actually standing behind that? Seriously?

When exactly is this all going to wrap up? I mean, honestly—when are we actually going to see those numbers for new cases drop for several days in a row?

Are you kidding me? Seriously?

Let's say, hypothetically, we see twenty new infections over the course of a week. What then—really? What’s the actual move at that point? Do you just flip a switch and allow people to start moving around and socializing again? Do you greenlight the return to classrooms? Or maybe you get the football league back on the schedule? I mean, I guess there has to be some kind of logic here, but I'm honestly not seeing the roadmap.

Well, Chinese authorities are always known for their... unique measures...

But ask yourself this: would a measure like that actually "help" the people who have already broken self-isolation multiple times anyway?

And for the record, it's "welding," not "swailing"...😬

Nicholas King said:It isn’t just about "some" people—it's much broader than that. Honestly, if they push these excessive measures and act with this kind of misplaced intensity, it’s going to screw over way more than just a few individuals. I mean, we're talking about systemic fallout here, not just isolated incidents.

Aside from everything else, people are just going to be staying home and drinking themselves into oblivion—and honestly, that’s inevitably going to drive up the death toll. But, since those folks won't exactly show up in the official COVID-19 statistics, I guess it doesn't really matter to the bureaucrats.

Look, let’s be clear about this—these measures were implemented with the sole intention of preventing the spread of the infection as much as humanly possible; they weren't put in place just to mess with anyone or play games.

The Chinese are welding people's front doors shut under the guise of "maximum infection prevention." And you're actually standing behind that? Seriously?

When exactly is this all going to wrap up? I mean, honestly—when are we actually going to see those numbers for new cases drop for several days in a row?

Are you kidding me? Seriously?

Let's say, hypothetically, we see twenty new infections over the course of a week. What then—really? What’s the actual move at that point? Do you just flip a switch and allow people to start moving around and socializing again? Do you greenlight the return to classrooms? Or maybe you get the football league back on the schedule? I mean, I guess there has to be some kind of logic here, but I'm honestly not seeing the roadmap.

No, all of that will be counted as deaths from the coronavirus.

From the moment it appeared until this whole mess is over, the coronavirus is responsible for every single death; it serves as a cover for everything.

If everyone were judged for murder the same way they are for the coronavirus, nobody would get away with it, whether they were innocent or guilty.

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hollowmason64 said:So, just because some people are struggling mentally, what are we supposed to do? Tailor every single regulation to every individual person?
These measures were put in place to stop the spread of the virus as much as possible, not to mess with anyone for fun.

When will it end? When we see a decrease in new cases for several days in a row.

Started what? You might want to check the news—there haven't been any new infections in Istria over the last two days. And keep in mind, that decision isn't even at the local level; it's coming from the national government.

I don't see many options besides paying it. You could go to court and try your luck seeing if some judge takes pity on you, but the odds are slim. Most likely, you'll just end up paying the full amount plus legal fees.

I just don't get why all those highly successful expats suddenly decided to move back home. Was it maybe because they got kicked into high gear by all that supposed "financial stability" abroad?

That logic is completely flawed.

Do you actually have the right to forcibly rip someone's kidney out just because it might save somebody else's life? No, you don't. It’s that simple. We need to stop acting like certain lives carry more weight than others when it comes to basic autonomy. Mental health is just as vital as physical health, plain and simple, and you don't have the right to jeopardize anyone's psychological well-being in the name of some perceived greater good. Everyone deserves to feel secure in their own skin without the fear of being violated for someone else's benefit.

The measures being implemented aren't actually designed to stop the spread of the virus at any cost; instead, it feels like they're just hunting for some sort of precarious balance—trying to keep the number of new infections under control while minimizing the fallout on the rest of us. If the real goal were truly to prevent the infection from spreading as much as possible, then nobody would be allowed to even peek their nose out of the front door. We’d all be stuck inside, and the only people moving around would be the essential workers in full hazmat gear delivering groceries or rushing patients to the hospital, along with the medical staff themselves. That’s how you actually stop a virus, but that isn't what's happening here.

Since everyone is constantly obsessing over finding that perfect balance with these restrictions, I really think we need to start talking about mental health as a serious factor in the equation. It’s being completely sidelined. In America, we see anywhere from 600 to 800 suicides every single year—and honestly, those numbers tend to climb even higher whenever we hit these crisis years. It makes you wonder, doesn't it? Are their lives somehow less valuable than the people who will succumb to the coronavirus? It feels like we're ignoring a massive tragedy in the name of addressing another one.

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hollowmason64 said:So, just because some people are struggling mentally, what are we supposed to do? Tailor every single regulation to every individual person?
These measures were put in place to stop the spread of the virus as much as possible, not to mess with anyone for fun.

When will it end? When we see a decrease in new cases for several days in a row.

Started what? You might want to check the news—there haven't been any new infections in Istria over the last two days. And keep in mind, that decision isn't even at the local level; it's coming from the national government.

I don't see many options besides paying it. You could go to court and try your luck seeing if some judge takes pity on you, but the odds are slim. Most likely, you'll just end up paying the full amount plus legal fees.

I just don't get why all those highly successful expats suddenly decided to move back home. Was it maybe because they got kicked into high gear by all that supposed "financial stability" abroad?

That logic is completely flawed.

There is absolutely no penalty for that specific violation. According to the Constitution:

Even if we were facing an immediate threat to the very survival of this nation, there is absolutely no scenario where we could just suspend the protections laid out in the Constitution regarding the right to life, or the absolute prohibition against torture and cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment. The concept of legal certainty regarding punishable offenses and their corresponding penalties—it’s one of those foundational pillars that sounds simple on paper but becomes an absolute labyrinth once you actually start digging into the mechanics of the American justice system. We talk about "due process" like it’s this sacred, untoucheling thing, but when you look at how laws are drafted and how punishments are handed down, there's a massive, gaping chasm between the theory of the law and the messy reality of how it hits a regular person on the street. In a perfect world, governed by a strict interpretation of the Constitution, you should be able to look at a statute and know exactly where the line is drawn. You shouldn't have to guess if your actions fall under a specific criminal code or what kind of sentence you might face if things go south. There ought to be a direct, unbreakable link between the act and the penalty. But we don't live in that world, do we? Instead, we live in a landscape of vague language, shifting judicial interpretations, and legislative overreach that feels more like moving goalposts than actual rule of law. I remember sitting in a small coffee shop back in Indianapolis, listening to a local attorney explain how certain federal guidelines could be stretched to cover almost anything if the prosecutor was feeling particularly aggressive that day. It hit me then: legal certainty isn't just a legal doctrine; it's a shield for the citizen against the overwhelming power of the state. When the definition of a crime is fuzzy, or when the punishment doesn't clearly match the offense, that shield starts to crack. If the government can redefine the rules while you're already playing the game, then we aren't really talking about liberty anymore—we're talking about arbitrary power. It’s infuriating, honestly. You see these massive shifts in how crimes are categorized, often driven by political whims rather than any coherent legal philosophy, and suddenly the "certainty" we were promised evaporates. It leaves people vulnerable to inconsistent sentencing and unpredictable enforcement. We need a system where the law is a steady anchor, not a drifting buoy caught in the tide of whoever happens to be holding the gavel this week. Without clear definitions and predictable consequences, the very idea of justice becomes little more than a suggestion....and then there's that whole business regarding the freedom of thought, conscience, and religion.

Look, here’s the reality of the situation: if a specific act isn't explicitly defined by law, or if the penalty for that act hasn't been clearly established, then you simply cannot be held accountable—not even in a scenario where there is an immediate, existential threat to the survival of the nation. It sounds extreme, I know, and I can already hear the shouting, but that is how the principle works. In plain English, everything must be laid out with absolute precision: you have to know exactly what is prohibited, under what specific circumstances, on what legal grounds, and exactly what the sanctions will be. Without that level of clarity, the entire framework of justice falls apart, regardless of how dire the crisis might be.

Look, you can only actually get slapped with a fine if you outright refuse to follow a direct order from an officer on the scene—like, if a cop tells you to pull over or turn around and you just decide to keep driving like they don't exist, then you're in real trouble. But there's a massive distinction here that people seem to miss. If you happen to cruise right past a checkpoint when nobody is actively monitoring the area, and then later on, someone tries to claim you committed some sort of minor infraction, they can't really touch you with a citation. At most, the best they can do is tell you that you need to head back to your home address. It’s a matter of timing and whether or not you were actively defying authority in the moment.

The same logic applies when we talk about restrictions on loitering in public spaces—even if there’s a fine written into the books, that doesn't mean staying put is outright illegal; it just means it's restricted. If they want to actually slap you with a penalty, the law has to be crystal clear about exactly what those limitations are. You can't exactly break an unwritten rule or some vague, unspoken restriction. At the end of the day, a police officer can tell you to move along, but they can't penalize you for breaking a rule that isn't explicitly defined.

hollowmason64 said:So, just because some people are struggling mentally, what are we supposed to do? Tailor every single regulation to every individual person?
These measures were put in place to stop the spread of the virus as much as possible, not to mess with anyone for fun.

When will it end? When we see a decrease in new cases for several days in a row.

Started what? You might want to check the news—there haven't been any new infections in Istria over the last two days. And keep in mind, that decision isn't even at the local level; it's coming from the national government.

I don't see many options besides paying it. You could go to court and try your luck seeing if some judge takes pity on you, but the odds are slim. Most likely, you'll just end up paying the full amount plus legal fees.

I just don't get why all those highly successful expats suddenly decided to move back home. Was it maybe because they got kicked into high gear by all that supposed "financial stability" abroad?

That logic is completely flawed.

Ugh, what a brilliantly reasoned response. I’m honestly at a loss trying to counter such airtight logic.

Amanda Richardson7 said:Fine, that much is obvious.
And let's say they tell me to turn around—if I head back toward Vž, I’ll probably run into the exact same mess in Knin.
Will they actually let me pass through Knin to reach Vž, or will I be hunting for side roads just to dodge the police again?🤣

I only mentioned Split as an example.
But since you asked, the plan for tomorrow is to tear up a two-wheeler on what's arguably the best motorcycle route in America.
Just testing the waters and encouraging others to try similar stunts.

Just to clarify regarding the "loner" thing. Wherever I go, I'll be on my own. The only time I'll interact with anyone is when I pull into a gas station to fuel up. And I don't see any issue with that; if I can function normally among crowds every day, I can certainly ride a bike by myself.☕

If I’m not mistaken, a simple ID card should be more than enough to prove you're heading toward your own home.

This whole pass system is a mess.
It’s way too complicated for most people.

The goal should have been to make things simpler... Instead, this just shows how completely out of touch the system is with what's actually happening on the ground.

We’ll see how this all plays out in real life tomorrow.
My wife's brother and his wife are both living on Maui right now, though they’ve kept their residences separate in different spots—she’s staying over in Gabonj while he’s in Baška. They ended up stuck in Gabonj by pure chance, which, let’s be honest, is a total backwater. They’re itching to get over to Baška because, well, life is just a lot more convenient there. Now, they’re actually a bit paranoid that the police might swoop in and force them to split up at their respective addresses.
They’re heading toward Baška tomorrow, so we’ll just have to see what happens.

So, we can just sit here and cry about it.

I work and live in one place, but on paper, I'm registered somewhere else.
The official recommendation is to register your temporary residence through the government portal so you can actually move between where you live and where you're officially registered. But registering a temporary stay is impossible right now because the police are only handling emergencies.🤦 It’s like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
Easter is coming up, and I want to go visit my family at my permanent address. I'll probably make the trip there, but then I won't be able to get back to where I actually live and work because I don't have a permit. There's no way for me to get one, and I can't even register my current residence.
I honestly don't know who's crazier here.

Melissa Collins3 said:Technically, they should let you through since you're heading back to your own home, but if you run into an officer who doesn't know how to interpret the regulations correctly, you'll end up looking for alternative routes once more.

Please keep us posted on how far you've made it out of Z so we can stay updated.

I'm not heading to St....but I am definitely making my way toward the coast.

I don't see any reason why I wouldn't make it to where I intended. 😁
I've never had issues with the police. They just follow orders. If they won't let me pass here, there's always a workaround. 👍

If they stick to the letter of the law, they have no grounds to fine me...
I'm aware of that, but I'm trying to show others that it's okay to drive just a few towns over to see a partner. 🤦
We can't just let them strip away our rights like that.

Amanda Richardson7 said:I'm not heading to St....but I am definitely making my way toward the coast.

I don't see any reason why I wouldn't make it to where I intended. 😁
I've never had issues with the police. They just follow orders. If they won't let me pass here, there's always a workaround. 👍

If they stick to the letter of the law, they have no grounds to fine me...
I'm aware of that, but I'm trying to show others that it's okay to drive just a few towns over to see a partner. 🤦
We can't just let them strip away our rights like that.

Look, the moment you start relying on those Polish lowlifes to ferry you from point A to point B, your human rights are already on the chopping block, aren't they?

Benjamin Taylor6 said:We’ll see how this all plays out in real life tomorrow.
My wife's brother and his wife are both living on Maui right now, though they’ve kept their residences separate in different spots—she’s staying over in Gabonj while he’s in Baška. They ended up stuck in Gabonj by pure chance, which, let’s be honest, is a total backwater. They’re itching to get over to Baška because, well, life is just a lot more convenient there. Now, they’re actually a bit paranoid that the police might swoop in and force them to split up at their respective addresses.
They’re heading toward Baška tomorrow, so we’ll just have to see what happens.

Look, I don't quite get it... everyone lately has been complaining about the system, which—let's be clear—is far from perfect...

But these situations where spouses are registered at different addresses? That's always been a mystery to me...

I guess I'm the only idiot who went through the hassle of updating every single document for the entire family when we moved... and the kicker is, we only moved two house numbers away because we built a new place on the same street...

And now people are either terrified or just venting...

There are at least three different ways someone could make it over to Gabonj. That is, unless they've got checkpoints set up right at the exit of Baška.

Thomas Hernandez4 said:So, we can just sit here and cry about it.

I work and live in one place, but on paper, I'm registered somewhere else.
The official recommendation is to register your temporary residence through the government portal so you can actually move between where you live and where you're officially registered. But registering a temporary stay is impossible right now because the police are only handling emergencies.🤦 It’s like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.
Easter is coming up, and I want to go visit my family at my permanent address. I'll probably make the trip there, but then I won't be able to get back to where I actually live and work because I don't have a permit. There's no way for me to get one, and I can't even register my current residence.
I honestly don't know who's crazier here.

A lot of people aren't making it home for Easter this year, so quit whining. People have much bigger problems than yours.

Chris Kim13 said:A lot of people aren't making it home for Easter this year, so quit whining. People have much bigger problems than yours.

I have no idea how your comment relates to this thread or what I actually posted.
If you want to talk about massive, global issues, go find a thread that covers them.
I'm well aware of other struggles; this is specifically mine.

I'm just pointing out the sheer lack of logic from those officials at the Department of Justice who claim you can update your residency through the online portal, when clearly, it’s currently impossible to do so at all.

You don't exactly have a solid foundation here to be asking for a change of residence. And honestly? You've got zero grounds to be asking for a pass either.