Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Edward Fisher86 said:No. Give me the link regarding the ban on spouses maintaining separate residences.

What kind of bank cards would you actually need to change just because you moved addresses?

Look, there isn't actually a ban if they are genuinely living apart...

I was just asking—quite politely, I might add—where in the real world you actually find couples living under different roofs...

And how many examples of that even exist...

Judging by this thread, people are complaining while basically admitting they didn't get their paperwork sorted out when they were supposed to...

So, my question stands: when exactly does a mass movement of spouses deciding to live separately actually happen?

Adam Collins4 said:Look, there isn't actually a ban if they are genuinely living apart...

I was just asking—quite politely, I might add—where in the real world you actually find couples living under different roofs...

And how many examples of that even exist...

Judging by this thread, people are complaining while basically admitting they didn't get their paperwork sorted out when they were supposed to...

So, my question stands: when exactly does a mass movement of spouses deciding to live separately actually happen?

Hehe, like how Milomir Bandić and his wife "divorced," both got an apartment, and then just kept living... separately?

Adam Collins4 said:Look, there isn't actually a ban if they are genuinely living apart...

I was just asking—quite politely, I might add—where in the real world you actually find couples living under different roofs...

And how many examples of that even exist...

Judging by this thread, people are complaining while basically admitting they didn't get their paperwork sorted out when they were supposed to...

So, my question stands: when exactly does a mass movement of spouses deciding to live separately actually happen?

So there really is no ban on spouses living apart. It sounds like you're just making it up as you go.

Jack Cook7 said:Total DIY disaster. I've seen it happen before.

Most people don't even pay attention to this stuff; it just flies under the radar. Anyone who's ever been a renter has dealt with this exact thing. From the example, it's super obvious the guy had no clue about the tax implications. In a place like Washington, D.C., it's even worse because of those nasty local income taxes.

Generally speaking, if you actually take a second to look at the tax system, there's a mountain of things people just don't want to deal with (myself included!), but once you know—and if you're an entrepreneur, you *have* to know, or at least your accountant/tax advisor does—you can actually save a ton of money. For instance, that guy might not have even needed to change his address (depends on what kind of loan he got), since there's no rule saying you can't own property elsewhere while renting in, say, Indianapolis. But, he probably took a first-time homebuyer loan or something similar where you're required to actually live there. And he completely missed the tax side of the story. Classic.

I just don't get people who don't realize that whenever your info changes, you have to update more than just your IDs—like, you need to update your bank cards and stuff too...

Not strictly true, though. It's usually not written explicitly in the contract. Banks don't really care unless you're applying for credit or a loan and they need to see your assets. Of course, that's assuming you aren't still getting paper statements sent to your old house via snail mail.😉

I think it was some trick involving the incentive plus the mortgage, so that's why he was changing things...

Exactly. Changing your address doesn't mean you have to change your debit card, but say you go to the bank for a loan and the address on your ID doesn't match your registered residence—that can cause issues... though that really depends on the specific bank...

The point of my posts is that people always focus on their rights, but they completely ignore their obligations...

Edward Fisher86 said:So there really is no ban on spouses living apart. It sounds like you're just making it up as you go.

Oh, so we're trolling now...

Let me know when you're done with the spin...

Until then, I'm waiting for an actual argument—you know, where and when exactly this "spouses living apart" thing is supposed to happen...☕

Adam Collins4 said:Oh, so we're trolling now...

Let me know when you're done with the spin...

Until then, I'm waiting for an actual argument—you know, where and when exactly this "spouses living apart" thing is supposed to happen...☕

I have no intention of going back and forth with you anymore. You're just spreading falsehoods.

It’s certainly not illegal for spouses to live at different addresses, despite what you claimed.
And there is absolutely no requirement to swap out all your bank cards just because you change your address, as you so confidently stated.
End of discussion.

Adam Collins4 said:Oh, so we're trolling now...

Let me know when you're done with the spin...

Until then, I'm waiting for an actual argument—you know, where and when exactly this "spouses living apart" thing is supposed to happen...☕

If you want a real example, just ask Milomir Bandić why he and his wife split up.

Edward Fisher86 said:I have no intention of going back and forth with you anymore. You're just spreading falsehoods.

It’s certainly not illegal for spouses to live at different addresses, despite what you claimed.
And there is absolutely no requirement to swap out all your bank cards just because you change your address, as you so confidently stated.
End of discussion.

It’s not "trolling"—it’s "end of discussion" when you finally manage to provide an actual argument proving that any sane married couple actually lives apart...

Until then, I’m not interested in your playground games...

As for those people who claim they "live separately," they should probably stop whining and just finish their paperwork properly like everyone else...

Oh please, since we're talking about lies—when did I ever say it was forbidden for them? kava:

Adam Collins4 said:I think it was some trick involving the incentive plus the mortgage, so that's why he was changing things...

Exactly. Changing your address doesn't mean you have to change your debit card, but say you go to the bank for a loan and the address on your ID doesn't match your registered residence—that can cause issues... though that really depends on the specific bank...

The point of my posts is that people always focus on their rights, but they completely ignore their obligations...

There's no way he just changed his residency for fun. He probably just missed how the whole thing fits together.

It’s not even naive when you think about it—commuting can run from, I don't know, $127 to over $1,000 a month, which is a huge chunk of change. Plus, you've got all those other perks like local tax breaks or living in special designated zones. And if you're renting, you get different benefits regarding credit or first-time homebuyer programs. That's assuming you're an employee, too. Business owners have a ton more ways to cut costs for staff and snag government incentives.

Exactly. You don't necessarily have to swap out your credit cards just because you moved, but say you walk into a bank for a loan and the address on your ID doesn't match where you're actually registered... that could cause headaches. Though, honestly, it really depends on the bank you're dealing with...

Look, at the end of the day, the bank needs to know where you live, but they don't actually care that much—that's the Department of Justice's job. For them, it's all about assets and income. Some banks might go overboard trying to be strict and demanding that your ID matches perfectly, but that's just their internal red tape. Assets are what matter. Credit cards are a mess here because banks tend to squeeze people (wonder why!) to collect interest, and that's where your actual residence starts playing a bigger role.

The point I'm making is that people are always quick to see their rights, but never their responsibilities...

Totally agree.

I'd take it a step further and say the same goes for the government. "The State" is always all about its "rights," while treating obligations like "whatever works for us."

And we all know who the state is.

For years, we actually kept our official residency registered at my father-in-law's place while living in an entirely different city... purely because we were renting, and honestly, it’s just how you navigate things—you convince the landlord to register you under someone else's name. I’m certain there are still plenty of people doing the exact same thing today. Of course, technically, a tenant is breaking the rules here, but let’s be real... if you finally stumble upon a decent apartment, you aren't going to pass it up just because of some paperwork technicality...

In Miami, finding a long-term rental for the whole year is practically impossible—though that might shift once the tourist season dies down—and if you even bring up the topic of a formal lease or official registration, you'll find yourself blacklisted before you can even finish your sentence...

Adam Collins4 said:It’s not "trolling"—it’s "end of discussion" when you finally manage to provide an actual argument proving that any sane married couple actually lives apart...

Until then, I’m not interested in your playground games...

As for those people who claim they "live separately," they should probably stop whining and just finish their paperwork properly like everyone else...

Oh please, since we're talking about lies—when did I ever say it was forbidden for them? kava:

If you've got the guts, try having a conversation like that at home with your wife.

Edward Fisher86 said:If you've got the guts, try having a conversation like that at home with your wife.

I honestly find myself wondering why I constantly attract these mindless trolls who clearly struggle with basic reading comprehension... you want to argue, but you just don't have the mental capacity to back it up.

My wife is way too sharp for the kindergarten-level nonsense you're trying to pull here...

So, let's get back to it: provide me with one actual argument that proves living separately is somehow normal... when you find one, let me know.

Then we can move on to discussing your inability to actually read, and eventually, the part where you lie because you can't defend your own point.

P.S. If you want to show me what kind of "intellectual" you are, maybe stop dragging other people's families into this mess—especially since nobody is even bringing up yours... save that behavior for the people who failed to teach you manners.

Until then—give me an argument for when spouses living apart is actually acceptable...

Drew Johnson2 said:For years, we actually kept our official residency registered at my father-in-law's place while living in an entirely different city... purely because we were renting, and honestly, it’s just how you navigate things—you convince the landlord to register you under someone else's name. I’m certain there are still plenty of people doing the exact same thing today. Of course, technically, a tenant is breaking the rules here, but let’s be real... if you finally stumble upon a decent apartment, you aren't going to pass it up just because of some paperwork technicality...

In Miami, finding a long-term rental for the whole year is practically impossible—though that might shift once the tourist season dies down—and if you even bring up the topic of a formal lease or official registration, you'll find yourself blacklisted before you can even finish your sentence...

It’s all true, really—even though the government should probably step in and regulate this so landlords don't act like complete idiots...

Personally, I won't touch a rental unless there's a contract and everything is officially filed...

But we were specifically debating that hypothetical scenario where a couple doesn't actually live together, which is why they have different addresses...

We just can't seem to land on a solid argument for when that actually becomes an issue...

Adam Collins4 said:It’s all true, really—even though the government should probably step in and regulate this so landlords don't act like complete idiots...

Personally, I won't touch a rental unless there's a contract and everything is officially filed...

But we were specifically debating that hypothetical scenario where a couple doesn't actually live together, which is why they have different addresses...

We just can't seem to land on a solid argument for when that actually becomes an issue...

I wasn't planning on jumping into this debate—but here we are; my husband and I actually live at different addresses. He’s retired and spends nearly the entire year by the coast due to his health—it would practically be breaking the law to keep him registered in the city where he might only spend two months during the winter. Meanwhile, I have several more years of work ahead of me, and since my job keeps me tied to Washington, D.C., it’s only logical that it remains my primary residence.

Do you really think there aren't more examples like this?

Adam Collins4 said:It’s all true, really—even though the government should probably step in and regulate this so landlords don't act like complete idiots...

Personally, I won't touch a rental unless there's a contract and everything is officially filed...

But we were specifically debating that hypothetical scenario where a couple doesn't actually live together, which is why they have different addresses...

We just can't seem to land on a solid argument for when that actually becomes an issue...

I’ve seen a few cases back in the day. I even knew people who went through a divorce just to snag two public housing units back in the America days, but that’s a whole different ballgame.

Setting aside couples who are genuinely fighting, most of the time it was purely about the money.

There were also times when someone had to relocate for work or a job in another city, and the wife and kids had to live elsewhere for a few years for various reasons.

It’s not that unusual. There’s even a "separated living" status that the government recognizes (and provides benefits for) such couples. We all know members of Congress use that loophole like crazy, even though they’re busy collecting monthly commuting reimbursements from Congress to get home—talk about being "separated," right? I think even that priest from Miami, Ivan Grubišić, was claiming separation benefits. For something or other.

Gerald Kern77 said:I wasn't planning on jumping into this debate—but here we are; my husband and I actually live at different addresses. He’s retired and spends nearly the entire year by the coast due to his health—it would practically be breaking the law to keep him registered in the city where he might only spend two months during the winter. Meanwhile, I have several more years of work ahead of me, and since my job keeps me tied to Washington, D.C., it’s only logical that it remains my primary residence.

Do you really think there aren't more examples like this?

Well, I know of another case just like that. A husband who is retired on Martha's Vineyard while the wife is still working up in Miami. When the weather is nice for a weekend getaway, he heads out to Martha's Vineyard, and once he's been fully retired for about a year and a half, she'll likely move out there too...
I have no idea where they are officially registered, but if they were following the rules strictly, he should be on Martha's Vineyard and she should be in Miami.

Gerald Kern77 said:I wasn't planning on jumping into this debate—but here we are; my husband and I actually live at different addresses. He’s retired and spends nearly the entire year by the coast due to his health—it would practically be breaking the law to keep him registered in the city where he might only spend two months during the winter. Meanwhile, I have several more years of work ahead of me, and since my job keeps me tied to Washington, D.C., it’s only logical that it remains my primary residence.

Do you really think there aren't more examples like this?

Of course there are, but then you run into the whole distinction between residency and domicile...

But you wouldn't think to bring up how you "can't see each other" just because you'd have to drive a few miles left or right and cross into a different municipality or town...😉

Since you're already living apart anyway...

The point here is about people who actually live together but haven't bothered to sort out their addresses because they were too lazy or had shared interests... like one person is registered at their parents' place while the other is at the actual house where they both reside...

And now, if they are in different cities or counties, they're running into trouble because of the travel permits...

You and your husband really do live separately... and I assume that's a few hundred miles apart...

What I'm actually curious about is which of these people whining about being trapped within different municipalities or cities—neighboring ones, obviously—are actually living separate lives...

Adam Collins4 said:Of course there are, but then you run into the whole distinction between residency and domicile...

But you wouldn't think to bring up how you "can't see each other" just because you'd have to drive a few miles left or right and cross into a different municipality or town...😉

Since you're already living apart anyway...

The point here is about people who actually live together but haven't bothered to sort out their addresses because they were too lazy or had shared interests... like one person is registered at their parents' place while the other is at the actual house where they both reside...

And now, if they are in different cities or counties, they're running into trouble because of the travel permits...

You and your husband really do live separately... and I assume that's a few hundred miles apart...

What I'm actually curious about is which of these people whining about being trapped within different municipalities or cities—neighboring ones, obviously—are actually living separate lives...

Yes, we truly live a few hundred miles apart—and yes, if my husband wanted to head to Washington, D.C., right now, he’d be in quite a bind. Apparently, "visiting your wife" isn't on the list of excused reasons, and since I'm neither elderly nor infirm, that wouldn't count as an argument either. 🤣

Naturally, he isn't planning on traveling under these conditions—but if he did, he’d likely have to explain to someone at the local Civil Protection Headquarters that he really does have a wife living in Washington, D.C., and that they aren't fighting, but have simply organized their lives in a way that works for them.

Gerald Kern77 said:Yes, we truly live a few hundred miles apart—and yes, if my husband wanted to head to Washington, D.C., right now, he’d be in quite a bind. Apparently, "visiting your wife" isn't on the list of excused reasons, and since I'm neither elderly nor infirm, that wouldn't count as an argument either. 🤣

Naturally, he isn't planning on traveling under these conditions—but if he did, he’d likely have to explain to someone at the local Civil Protection Headquarters that he really does have a wife living in Washington, D.C., and that they aren't fighting, but have simply organized their lives in a way that works for them.

And I'll say it again... you guys followed the rules to a T, and honestly, even in normal times, you don't just zip back and forth to see each other constantly; you plan those trips out...

My point is about the group of people who are currently whining because it's "too hard" to drive from one neighboring city to another, or even just to the next municipality, specifically because they're married couples living separately...

The reality is, she moved away from her mother to be with him but never updated her address... or he did...

And now, suddenly, there's a problem.

If you ask me, trying to untangle all this at once right now is just a recipe for disaster. There are way bigger fish to fry. We all know things are messy, but if we try to fix everything overnight, we’re just going to end up in total chaos.

In times like these, you gotta be pragmatic. You need to play the long game.

That decision to ban communication between administrative municipalities is easily the worst move yet. Current trends show people naturally move in "clusters," and honestly, that’s what our planning should be aiming for anyway.

Just look at the highway map in the Midwest. It’s flat, relatively recently settled (think Australia or the era of Maria Theresa), making it a textbook example.

Every major city is roughly 30 to 31 miles miles from the next, all linked by straight, efficient roads. Why is it like that? Well, because cities were designed as hubs for everything—Australia essentially laid them out that way alongside the main routes and forts. Back then, if you were in the most remote village, it would take about 15 to 16 miles minutes on foot or by wagon—roughly 3 hours one way—which was the standard time to hit the market once a week and handle your monthly paperwork. There is an inherent logic to this network of roads and distances; it wasn't built by accident. In a military crisis, a cavalry unit (maybe 100 to 200 riders) could reach you for backup within an hour, artillery support and infantry within 5-6 hours, and a massive main force could arrive within a week.

Andrija Štampar basically took that military-style organization and applied it to healthcare, turning it into a global gold standard. That’s why we still see such solid results today, even though our healthcare system is generally a complete mess.

And now, we have these local small-timers destroying something that took at least 300 years to build, all just to secure jobs for some cousins, "golden boys," or their own kids? They’re spinning up 440 municipalities and 130 cities? It’s absolute nonsense; there's no way it can actually work.

Works for me, though. Let the people who have made all the money over the last 30 years worry about the tens or hundreds of thousands of sick and elderly citizens. Oh wait, they won't. Instead, they’re busy building bunkers right in the middle of downtown on Preradovićevoj (because they don't want to mingle with the common folk—they think they're above it), while the urban planners just sit there and applaud. Then, when real trouble starts, they’ll just pack up and leave, taking all that money they've been stripping from our property over the years.

You really think they wouldn't?