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Jose Scott3 Jose Scott3 Member
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joined Mar 2023
#121 ·
Patrick Cook said:And why did private sector workers get a "get out of jail free" card just because a bunch of idiots decided to paralyze the entire country?

Who's going to pay your salary then? The private sector is shot—it's basically gone. That tourism industry that used to drive 20% of the GDP? Poof. Nonexistent. Who exactly is supposed to finance all these wages?

I mean, I think I know the answer: the government could just print everyone's paycheck for them, but then your salary would look the same on paper while being worth three times less in reality.

So they got a temporary lifeline just to stop the pandemic from blowing up?

We got a lifeline too, but people are actually showing up to work because if we don't hit our deadlines, all our testing and research goes down the drain...

Tourism will bounce back after June 1st, except it'll just be locals and neighbors visiting, hardly any international travelers. You're overreacting a bit and clearly don't trust anyone. Things can normalize fast... even after deadly outbreaks happen...

Patrick Cook said:So, you're telling me a business owner who doesn't have enough cash on hand to cover three months of payroll shouldn't be considered an entrepreneur? Give me a break! That’s exactly how these people in the government sector operate—totally disconnected from reality. Honestly, they probably couldn't tell you the difference between revenue and actual cash flow if their lives depended on it.

Seriously, just shut down the government already; this whole setup makes zero sense.

I mean, why even bother being a private business owner at all? Let's all just go become bureaucrats and get paid to do nothing.

Hey Dr. Frank, what kind of business owner are we talking about here, and how does that even make sense?

Look, I might not know the technical difference between revenue and cash flow, but I know my old man. He runs his own shop, and he'll be paying his crew minimum wage for the next three months instead of firing them. He isn't pulling in massive profits, but he's a rational guy... And 90% of small business owners could do the exact same thing. Anyone claiming otherwise is just lying through their teeth...
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#122 ·
Anderson said:You can find all the previous FEMA mandates listed here:
  • The order to suspend operations at all farmers' markets and associated vendor facilities
  • The mandate regarding general and specific safety protocols for taxi services
  • The retail operating hours regulation
  • The order strictly limiting loitering on streets and in other public spaces
  • The directive to temporarily suspend public transit
  • The restrictions placed on coastal ferry and maritime transit services
  • The decision to close all playgrounds and outdoor sports facilities
  • The guidelines governing funeral services and final send-offs
  • The regulations concerning marriage ceremonies and domestic partnerships
  • The border crossing regulation managing transit freight traffic through the United States
  • The order prohibiting international vessels under quarantine or self-isolation from entering U.S. ports and waterways
  • The lockdown measures affecting social gatherings, retail, service industries, and sporting or cultural events
  • The temporary ban on crossing the borders of the United States

This post is incredibly helpful, and I believe it would be quite beneficial if you were to repost it within this thread.

It would be even better if you could occasionally share this information across all threads related to coronavirus.
electricbadger89 electricbadger89 Regular
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#123 ·
I don't think this thread is the place for an endless debate over private versus public sectors.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#124 ·
maminho said:Are we talking about the permanent residence address or what? There are places out here without a single grocery store in sight. What are people living in those spots supposed to do—just starve?

Check the town hall website...

My local bureaucrats, the civil servants, and the cops are actually turning out to be way sharper than the folks running the show in D.C. They basically cut a deal with the police department to take control over everything that falls under local precinct jurisdiction. Smart move.👍

In my neck of the woods, you get one major city and two surrounding suburbs, and honestly? You’ve got more than enough space. You don't need anything else.

They set up a whole form for everyone else to fill out, put it online, and even opened a dedicated email address just for it. Real efficient.
They went through everything and kept it super detailed. Pretty solid breakdown. 🙏

An employer's note works too. But obviously, it needs to cover the actual route—like your commute from home to the job site or wherever you're headed. That's the key.
Gerald Thompson62 Gerald Thompson62 Member
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#125 ·
Are all these precautions actually necessary if we've already got 16 people recovered?

They aren't contagious anymore—but then again, they can't catch it either—so 🤔
Jose Scott3 Jose Scott3 Member
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#126 ·
Kyle Lopez2 said:Nah, the private sector creates innovation too (except maybe in the USSR😁), usually by contracting with the government or the military.😁 We can debate which innovations matter more all day... You're taking this way too personally. Nobody is actually stupid enough to think we should abolish the state entirely or that we'd all live happily ever after in total anarchy. 😁 People are just fed up with governments squeezing them for every last cent like some kind of tribute, and now they want a moment where everyone who actually works gets to show those in power what it feels like to have nothing.

So, go ahead and post your pathetic little farewells telling me to get lost; at this point, the only response you're going to get is "vaya con dios."😁

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Maybe your old man didn't build it because he's brilliant and has access to info others don't, or maybe he's just a fool who's going to blow through his cash before he goes under.

At the end of the day, the guy has his own vision and he's looking out for himself.

I know a guy who has $50 million in reserve, and right now, while demand is down, he looks like a guy watching trucks pass by—he's mass-buying and stockpiling materials, working overtime, and just waiting for the borders to open and the German economy to kick back into gear. It doesn't make him a saint; it just means he knows how to spot an opportunity.☕

Why would I be expected to sell my "Ferrari" just to subsidize people's wages because those poor workers apparently have nothing else to their names? That's nonsense.

"If everyone just had a job that actually worked"... yeah, right. People don't want solutions, they just want trash. And honestly, I'll take that personally if anyone tries to lecture me about being "unproductive." Especially when they have the nerve to suggest cutting my pay while I'm out here grinding 12-hour shifts just because that's how the job works... unbelievable...

Nobody’s got the right to just label the entire public sector as nothing but cronies...

Kyle Lopez2 said:Nah, the private sector creates innovation too (except maybe in the USSR😁), usually by contracting with the government or the military.😁 We can debate which innovations matter more all day... You're taking this way too personally. Nobody is actually stupid enough to think we should abolish the state entirely or that we'd all live happily ever after in total anarchy. 😁 People are just fed up with governments squeezing them for every last cent like some kind of tribute, and now they want a moment where everyone who actually works gets to show those in power what it feels like to have nothing.

So, go ahead and post your pathetic little farewells telling me to get lost; at this point, the only response you're going to get is "vaya con dios."😁

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Maybe your old man didn't build it because he's brilliant and has access to info others don't, or maybe he's just a fool who's going to blow through his cash before he goes under.

At the end of the day, the guy has his own vision and he's looking out for himself.

I know a guy who has $50 million in reserve, and right now, while demand is down, he looks like a guy watching trucks pass by—he's mass-buying and stockpiling materials, working overtime, and just waiting for the borders to open and the German economy to kick back into gear. It doesn't make him a saint; it just means he knows how to spot an opportunity.☕

Why would I be expected to sell my "Ferrari" just to subsidize people's wages because those poor workers apparently have nothing else to their names? That's nonsense.

You think you know him better than I do?...

I hope you're joking. If we're actually talking about good workers, then "wasting money" isn't even the right term...

What kind of collapse are you even talking about? Everything in the private sector—minus tourism—is going to be back to normal within the next six months. It’s honestly bizarre how people are trying to pin all this on the government and pushing these chaotic economic forecasts...

Kyle Lopez2 said:Nah, the private sector creates innovation too (except maybe in the USSR😁), usually by contracting with the government or the military.😁 We can debate which innovations matter more all day... You're taking this way too personally. Nobody is actually stupid enough to think we should abolish the state entirely or that we'd all live happily ever after in total anarchy. 😁 People are just fed up with governments squeezing them for every last cent like some kind of tribute, and now they want a moment where everyone who actually works gets to show those in power what it feels like to have nothing.

So, go ahead and post your pathetic little farewells telling me to get lost; at this point, the only response you're going to get is "vaya con dios."😁

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Maybe your old man didn't build it because he's brilliant and has access to info others don't, or maybe he's just a fool who's going to blow through his cash before he goes under.

At the end of the day, the guy has his own vision and he's looking out for himself.

I know a guy who has $50 million in reserve, and right now, while demand is down, he looks like a guy watching trucks pass by—he's mass-buying and stockpiling materials, working overtime, and just waiting for the borders to open and the German economy to kick back into gear. It doesn't make him a saint; it just means he knows how to spot an opportunity.☕

Why would I be expected to sell my "Ferrari" just to subsidize people's wages because those poor workers apparently have nothing else to their names? That's nonsense.

If you're just tossing workers out on the street without any guarantee they'll get their jobs back once things settle down, then yeah... you're in the wrong. Doesn't matter if Ferrari is involved or not...
electricbadger89 electricbadger89 Regular
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#127 ·
stormybadger8 said:Check the town hall website...

My local bureaucrats, the civil servants, and the cops are actually turning out to be way sharper than the folks running the show in D.C. They basically cut a deal with the police department to take control over everything that falls under local precinct jurisdiction. Smart move.👍

In my neck of the woods, you get one major city and two surrounding suburbs, and honestly? You’ve got more than enough space. You don't need anything else.

They set up a whole form for everyone else to fill out, put it online, and even opened a dedicated email address just for it. Real efficient.
They went through everything and kept it super detailed. Pretty solid breakdown. 🙏

An employer's note works too. But obviously, it needs to cover the actual route—like your commute from home to the job site or wherever you're headed. That's the key.

Which city and townships are we talking about?
Matthew Jackson2 Matthew Jackson2 Active Member
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#128 ·
Jose Scott3 said:No way. Not happening. At most, a month after cases hit zero.

Maybe you can explain how Ebola outbreaks—which is way more contagious, by the way—actually manage to get under control within 3 months?

Short and sweet: get lost.

The budget situation isn't nearly as dramatic as you're making it out to be.

Just so you know, besides the medics, military, police, and firefighters, there are plenty of other people in public institutions showing up to work instead of staying home. You want to cut them down to minimum wage too?

From your first word to your last, this whole post sounds like "Small Business Revenge Part 2" or some cheerleader nonsense for the elite.

What they should really do is implement a single, flat salary for everyone in government and public service based on the average wage in the US. That way, politicians and those bureaucratic hacks would take a temporary pay cut, while the police, firefighters, nurses, and the rest would actually see a temporary raise.

Look, Ebola is definitely more infectious through direct contact, but it doesn't hang around on surfaces nearly as long, especially if things stay dry or get hit by sunlight. The incubation period is much shorter, too, and the number of people who carry it without showing any symptoms is negligible, assuming they even exist. Essentially, the Ebola virus is so aggressive that its own lethality actually works against its ability to spread.

On the other hand, when you're dealing with an incubation period of up to 14 days, you could have a young family of five where everyone gets infected one after another. The last person could potentially be infectious two months later, all while nobody shows a single symptom, leaving you completely unaware that the virus is circulating. Your only real option would be to run constant testing on the entire population, and then you could justify taking that one-month buffer from the last positive test, but let's be honest, that's just not feasible. Sure, the statistical probability of a single asymptomatic family chain reaction is low, but as the total number of infected people rises, the mathematical likelihood of at least one such household existing becomes much higher.

vividranger8 said:So, a few days ago, I headed out into the mountains where the only thing I was likely to run into was a bear. And honestly, that was the whole point—just to stay as far away from people on the streets as possible...

That isn't exactly responsible behavior either—just look at how many interventions the US Census Bureau had to make because of people thinking exactly like you.

Jose Scott3 said:Nah. Biotech sector. We have zero connection to the social sciences.

If by Academy you mean HAZU, I'm totally with you.

How do I know they weren't directed at me? Because with his proposed measures, he basically called me one of all those "state and public administration and institution employees."

Let's be real, that guy Miroslav didn't call for a "lynching of bureaucrats" just to stir the pot and score political points; he actually wants to slash the pay of everyone working in public institutions.

No one in the private sector deserves to stay in business if they can't survive on their reserves after years of operating.

Like, for real, my old man is a small business owner, employs a handful of people (somewhere between 5 and 10, I think), and he's going to pay them minimum wage for the next three months himself without firing anyone, simply because he values his workers and knows things will normalize eventually.

A business owner who can't pull that off shouldn't even be in business—if you can't maintain a surplus for a few months when things get weird, you're failing.

Once this madness ends, that guy will restart production and hire the same people back. But us in the public sector, who didn't land our jobs through the Party, no force on earth is going to get us back to work if we get fired like > suggests.

Not like those scumbags in the restaurant industry driving BMWs and whining about layoffs, only to bring those same workers back in a couple of months once the epidemic passes.

Give me a break. I’m not paying your bills. There's a massive crowd in the public sector living off EU funds. And yeah, some of that money flows into the healthcare and social safety nets for both you and me.

Actually, no. Just like every other guy on this forum, you're lumping all public employees into one big bucket. In our country, science and higher ed are already paid way below what they should be. If we start slashing everything to minimum wage and handing out pink slips, those are the people who are going to get screwed first.

I didn't realize the National Archives was busy solving real-world problems, like finding cheaper drugs, developing new medical procedures, boosting crop yields, genetic engineering, new pesticides, energy storage tech, coding crisis management apps, renewable energy, robotics, and stuff like that.

Reminder once again: you and your buddy are treating all public workers like they're the same. Chill out. Public servants don't deserve minimum wage pay or layoffs either.

That all makes sense in theory, but in this specific situation, those savings won't save you if your contracts get canceled or if you simply can't collect payments from clients. Those reserves are meant to help if a company can't operate for a couple of months OR if a crisis hits, but right now, both are happening simultaneously. In the end, restaurant owners might actually take the smallest hit because customers will flock back the moment they're allowed to, whereas companies that are only indirectly affected will end up feeling the brunt of it the most.
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active MemberOP
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joined Oct 2012
#129 ·
Matthew Jackson2 said:Look, Ebola is definitely more infectious through direct contact, but it doesn't hang around on surfaces nearly as long, especially if things stay dry or get hit by sunlight. The incubation period is much shorter, too, and the number of people who carry it without showing any symptoms is negligible, assuming they even exist. Essentially, the Ebola virus is so aggressive that its own lethality actually works against its ability to spread.

On the other hand, when you're dealing with an incubation period of up to 14 days, you could have a young family of five where everyone gets infected one after another. The last person could potentially be infectious two months later, all while nobody shows a single symptom, leaving you completely unaware that the virus is circulating. Your only real option would be to run constant testing on the entire population, and then you could justify taking that one-month buffer from the last positive test, but let's be honest, that's just not feasible. Sure, the statistical probability of a single asymptomatic family chain reaction is low, but as the total number of infected people rises, the mathematical likelihood of at least one such household existing becomes much higher.

That isn't exactly responsible behavior either—just look at how many interventions the US Census Bureau had to make because of people thinking exactly like you.

That all makes sense in theory, but in this specific situation, those savings won't save you if your contracts get canceled or if you simply can't collect payments from clients. Those reserves are meant to help if a company can't operate for a couple of months OR if a crisis hits, but right now, both are happening simultaneously. In the end, restaurant owners might actually take the smallest hit because customers will flock back the moment they're allowed to, whereas companies that are only indirectly affected will end up feeling the brunt of it the most.

Give me a break, seriously. My great-grandmother used to manage livestock up in the mountains all by herself back when the US Census Bureau wasn't even a concept, let alone an organization.

Let's not get carried away.
Matthew Jackson2 Matthew Jackson2 Active Member
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#130 ·
rustywalker42 said:Give me a break, seriously. My great-grandmother used to manage livestock up in the mountains all by herself back when the US Census Bureau wasn't even a concept, let alone an organization.

Let's not get carried away.

Your grandmother grew up there; that was her backyard. Honestly, she probably would have been more likely to trip over a curb on a sidewalk in New York City than face any real danger out there.

I spend plenty of time hiking myself, and from what I've seen, it's usually the die-hard regulars in the hiking community who stay put at home, while the casual weekend warriors are the ones actually heading out into the wilderness.
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active MemberOP
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#131 ·
Matthew Jackson2 said:Your grandmother grew up there; that was her backyard. Honestly, she probably would have been more likely to trip over a curb on a sidewalk in New York City than face any real danger out there.

I spend plenty of time hiking myself, and from what I've seen, it's usually the die-hard regulars in the hiking community who stay put at home, while the casual weekend warriors are the ones actually heading out into the wilderness.

Look, I'm not part of any hiking clubs, nor do I care for that kind of social scene, but I love the mountains.

So, in my opinion, nobody has the right to judge how someone else connects with nature.

If a person loves the mountains, let them go.
electricorca112 electricorca112 Active Member
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#132 ·
Matthew Jackson2 said:Look, Ebola is definitely more infectious through direct contact, but it doesn't hang around on surfaces nearly as long, especially if things stay dry or get hit by sunlight. The incubation period is much shorter, too, and the number of people who carry it without showing any symptoms is negligible, assuming they even exist. Essentially, the Ebola virus is so aggressive that its own lethality actually works against its ability to spread.

On the other hand, when you're dealing with an incubation period of up to 14 days, you could have a young family of five where everyone gets infected one after another. The last person could potentially be infectious two months later, all while nobody shows a single symptom, leaving you completely unaware that the virus is circulating. Your only real option would be to run constant testing on the entire population, and then you could justify taking that one-month buffer from the last positive test, but let's be honest, that's just not feasible. Sure, the statistical probability of a single asymptomatic family chain reaction is low, but as the total number of infected people rises, the mathematical likelihood of at least one such household existing becomes much higher.

That isn't exactly responsible behavior either—just look at how many interventions the US Census Bureau had to make because of people thinking exactly like you.

That all makes sense in theory, but in this specific situation, those savings won't save you if your contracts get canceled or if you simply can't collect payments from clients. Those reserves are meant to help if a company can't operate for a couple of months OR if a crisis hits, but right now, both are happening simultaneously. In the end, restaurant owners might actually take the smallest hit because customers will flock back the moment they're allowed to, whereas companies that are only indirectly affected will end up feeling the brunt of it the most.

Wait... what?

What are you even talking about? 🤔

Do you have some inside scoop that there was a specific danger on the exact day Traveler92 went hiking, making it a bad idea, or do you just personally know him as a "Czech" style hiker? 🤷

In any other scenario, what you wrote would be incredibly out of line—and I'm trying to be polite here. 🙄
Matthew Jackson2 Matthew Jackson2 Active Member
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#133 ·
Generally speaking, the smartest move is just to steer clear of any high-risk activities altogether. Our first responders already have more than enough on their plates without having to deal with preventable accidents, and if you look at it objectively, these mishaps are really just a matter of cold, hard statistics—the more people you cram into the mountains, the higher the statistical probability that someone is going to need an emergency intervention.
electricorca112 electricorca112 Active Member
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joined Mar 2013
#134 ·
So, you mentioned the US Census Bureau and how many interventions they had because of... what, exactly?

Let me ask you again: Are you saying you have actual info that the US Census Bureau was out there pulling a massive number of people out of trouble in the mountains that day?
Joshua Garcia5 Joshua Garcia5 Member
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joined Jul 2012
#135 ·
Hi everyone,

Paratrooper has a question 😁

To get back on track, I’ve got a bit of a specific situation regarding these passes 🙄 and I could really use some insight from someone who knows the ropes.

My legal residence is in NYC-Vegas. My job is also based in NYC-Vegas. However, I actually live in New York City, even though I'm not officially registered there.
If you look at this strictly by the book—I work in NYC-Vegas, my ID says NYC-Vegas, everything looks perfect on paper. But the gray area is that I’m physically staying in an apartment in New York City where I don't have an official registration.

I can't travel between New York City and NYC-Vegas easily because I have to maintain that I am leaving my place of residence; legally speaking, I have no reason to be in New York City. I’m just not sure how they verify things. Do they ask for a state ID, or just the employer pass?

Once the National lockdown and border closure decree was issued, I headed back to NYC-Vegas. But honestly, that isn't a permanent fix. If I try to nag my boss about getting my residency paperwork sorted, is that even possible during the middle of a pandemic? (Using the online portal isn't an option for him; he’s an older gentleman.) Is there any way I can request a specific pass until I get my residency issues resolved in New York City?

Has anyone else dealt with something similar? How did you handle it?
Jacob Patel2 Jacob Patel2 Newcomer
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#136 ·
Joshua Garcia5 said:Hi everyone,

Paratrooper has a question 😁

To get back on track, I’ve got a bit of a specific situation regarding these passes 🙄 and I could really use some insight from someone who knows the ropes.

My legal residence is in NYC-Vegas. My job is also based in NYC-Vegas. However, I actually live in New York City, even though I'm not officially registered there.
If you look at this strictly by the book—I work in NYC-Vegas, my ID says NYC-Vegas, everything looks perfect on paper. But the gray area is that I’m physically staying in an apartment in New York City where I don't have an official registration.

I can't travel between New York City and NYC-Vegas easily because I have to maintain that I am leaving my place of residence; legally speaking, I have no reason to be in New York City. I’m just not sure how they verify things. Do they ask for a state ID, or just the employer pass?

Once the National lockdown and border closure decree was issued, I headed back to NYC-Vegas. But honestly, that isn't a permanent fix. If I try to nag my boss about getting my residency paperwork sorted, is that even possible during the middle of a pandemic? (Using the online portal isn't an option for him; he’s an older gentleman.) Is there any way I can request a specific pass until I get my residency issues resolved in New York City?

Has anyone else dealt with something similar? How did you handle it?

Look, in the middle of all this madness, the absolute best move is to physically be in Vegas and just stay put. It keeps you clear of any police trouble—and pretty much everything else.
Jacob Patel2 Jacob Patel2 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2020
#137 ·
Anderlon said:For those keeping track, here are the current FEMA mandates:
  • Decision to suspend all farmers' markets and associated vendor stalls
  • Decision regarding mandatory safety protocols for taxi service providers
  • Retail operating hours decree
  • Decision to strictly limit gatherings in streets and other public spaces
  • Decision to temporarily suspend public transit
  • Decision regarding restrictions on coastal and maritime public transport lines
  • Decision to close playgrounds and outdoor sports facilities
  • Decision regarding funeral services and final rites
  • Decision regarding marriage and domestic partnership ceremonies
  • Decision concerning freight vehicle transit through United States borders
  • Decision prohibiting international vessels under quarantine or isolation from entering US ports and inland waterways
  • National lockdown and border closure decree affecting social gatherings, retail, services, and sporting/cultural events

  • National lockdown and border closure decree

Can someone clarify what’s happening with transit and individual travel across the border? It mentions cross-border workers and passengers in transit—what does that actually imply? If I have to head to Canada for a single day on business, will they let me through?
Adam Doyle63 Adam Doyle63 Active Member
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joined Oct 2014
#138 ·
electricorca112 said:Which exact email address did you send that request to?

I mean, honestly, did anyone actually care to see that pass? Like, were there even any travel "roadblocks" or anything of the sort happening back then?

Thanks! 👍

I sent everything over to the city administration's email address—at least, that’s what they told me to do at the time—since this all went down well before the FEMA meeting was even scheduled. They ended up opening a dedicated email account for it later that afternoon.

There was a checkpoint right at my city's exit and again where the highway merges. When I pulled up to the outskirts of New York City coming off the expressway toward the airport, there wasn't a soul in sight. Then, on the way back, those first two checkpoints were sitting there waiting for us all over again.

I have to admit, the cops were actually remarkably calm and polite today, especially during that whole chaotic mess out by the local brewery.

All they told me was that starting tomorrow, I have to list the exact destination and the specific reason for my travel when applying for this one-day permit, whereas they just gave me "airport" as the location. 🤦 Look, that was just a clerical slip-up on the administration's end; I made sure to include every single specific detail in my actual request.
Jason Chase82 Jason Chase82 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2020
#139 ·
Just started heading out for a walk into town (by myself!) only for my sister to tell me that's banned too—I honestly thought we were just restricted from traveling between cities. I've been scouring the official CDC site and can't find any specific data regarding just walking through a neighborhood or around town... Please enlighten me 🤔
lonehawk5 lonehawk5 Active Member
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joined Oct 2012
#140 ·
Look, walking by yourself isn't banned or anything. It's just... they're recommending you stay inside as much as possible.
But all those other rules, like gathering in groups and stuff? Those are still very much in play.

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