Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Seriously, why isn't anyone calling those mental health hotlines? I mean, think about it—for everyone struggling with being stuck at home, or just needing to clear their head with a solo walk, hanging out online, diving into a book, or finally getting back to those hobbies you ditched because of work. Bake some cookies, whip up a massive three-course meal, binge a movie, hit the gym...
If I wasn't being forced to work right now, I’d be doing all of that. There are endless ways to stay sane.

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Keith Cox6 said:Seriously, why isn't anyone calling those mental health hotlines? I mean, think about it—for everyone struggling with being stuck at home, or just needing to clear their head with a solo walk, hanging out online, diving into a book, or finally getting back to those hobbies you ditched because of work. Bake some cookies, whip up a massive three-course meal, binge a movie, hit the gym...
If I wasn't being forced to work right now, I’d be doing all of that. There are endless ways to stay sane.

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Look at this, it's like the yearly cycle. Sure, you can do those things, but you just don't feel like it. It's like how I've said a hundred times before: I just need to find a moment where everything slows down and everyone finally leaves me to my own devices.🤣

Jose Scott3 said:Look, I'm not the one making the calls here. It’s the researchers... the ones who actually studied how long the COVID virus sticks around on different surfaces and stays active in people who've already recovered...

Do you only threaten your own people with being fired like this, or is this just how you treat anyone who isn't part of your inner circle? Because it’s more than obvious you're just using this as an excuse to... Not exactly selective... Just some sympathy for those who don't fit into your little circle...

No, any sane person would realize that in a situation like this, you'd spend the next year or eighteen months aggressively slashing the federal budget and cutting spending across the board. You'd have to sit the public down and explain that certain services just aren't happening for a year or two... strictly due to force majeure...

The solution isn't mass layoffs, heavy taxes, or slashing everyone's paychecks... It's strictly about gutting the budget.

The solution isn't about slashing salaries... It’s about setting a flat average pay for everyone in public and government service while this lasts. That way, the overpaid ones end up getting cut in half, and the underpaid people actually doing all the heavy lifting finally get a fair shake... $333 More.

Do you honestly believe the public sector is mostly made up of people who aren't voters or political hacks, or is that just your delusion? You're basically suggesting pay cuts and layoffs should be applied indiscriminately to every single civil servant, even the ones who have absolutely zero connection to the cronies or The Party?

If they actually start doing that, the first people to get screwed over will be the ones who aren't hacks or Party loyalists!

But that's exactly the point! In the end, the whole government sector will be nothing but The Party. And once that happens, they'll be incredibly easy to clean out.

Jack Cook7 said:But that's exactly the point! In the end, the whole government sector will be nothing but The Party. And once that happens, they'll be incredibly easy to clean out.

Yeah, you clearly forgot what kind of Country we actually live in. We'll see that exact scenario play out once this whole COVID mess settles down. In the meantime, the people who didn't follow The Party line are going to get absolutely screwed... mostly because you (and basically everyone else) spent all this time trying to squeeze every last cent out of the public sector. 🤦

I'm telling you, no pay cuts, no layoffs, no minimum wage bullshit. Just the average Rhode Island salary spread across the entire public sector.

crimsonranger3 said:But I am leaving my residence. That means traveling through several small towns to get there, and from what I can tell, that counts as violating the lockdown.

The median incubation period is about 6 days. If there haven't been any new recorded cases in 13 days, then either everyone is handling the virus exceptionally well and building immunity, or those three infected individuals (who tested positive because they traveled from abroad—one from Italy, one from Bavaria, and one who had contact with the first two) really are the only ones infected.
Again, I'm not saying we should scrap all measures as if nothing happened, but we shouldn't apply the exact same restrictions to all of America.

They should've just locked down the whole county...

I just hope those folks who headed down to the Gulf Coast actually follow self-isolation orders like the police told them to... though I’ve got a bad feeling they won't... 😢

Anthony Jackson2 said:Then what's the point if tens of thousands of people are just going to end up leaving shelters again for work? What's stopping the hundred or so folks who leave just to visit a grocery store they don't have locally, or to see parents, grandparents, or a partner?

And it’s not different in the country—it's pretty obvious people aren't visiting each other much lately; they're mostly just staying home. In my view, people from more rural areas are far less of a headache than those from the cities.

I'm with you on that one. Over the last thirty years in America, the cities have basically turned into small towns, while the rural areas are trying to act like big cities...

Joseph Taylor11 said:But how far counts as "within" or "close"?
Is that actually written down anywhere?

Honestly—does the distance even matter? If a person goes alone and they'll be by themselves anyway...?

(Just thinking out loud here—given my own situation....)

Of course they didn't write it down... the whole point of CZ is to make sure nobody ever leaves the house...

Honestly, I’d say nobody's gonna mess with you if you just head out to nature somewhere close to home. As long as you aren't under self-isolation or whatever, you're fine. Personally, I wouldn't think twice about driving out of Washington, D.C. toward the mountains... easy enough...

I personally know a conspiracy theorist who also happens to be a member of the Pernarov Party.
He thinks this whole thing is a massive setup—and now he’s having the time of his life, strutting around telling everyone how he was right all along.
Naturally, according to him, COVID-19 was engineered in a US military lab, and those same Americans were over in China releasing it and whatnot.
It’s all just a grand scheme to control the population, etc., etc.
Et cetera...

Discussing anything with him is exhausting—there isn't a shred of logic to be found, nor any rational framework I can actually use to argue against him.

Actually, it's just madness to expect rationality from someone who has always been fundamentally irrational.
Honestly, people like that scare me more than actual governments.

Jose Scott3 said:Look, I'm not the one making the calls here. It’s the researchers... the ones who actually studied how long the COVID virus sticks around on different surfaces and stays active in people who've already recovered...

Do you only threaten your own people with being fired like this, or is this just how you treat anyone who isn't part of your inner circle? Because it’s more than obvious you're just using this as an excuse to... Not exactly selective... Just some sympathy for those who don't fit into your little circle...

No, any sane person would realize that in a situation like this, you'd spend the next year or eighteen months aggressively slashing the federal budget and cutting spending across the board. You'd have to sit the public down and explain that certain services just aren't happening for a year or two... strictly due to force majeure...

The solution isn't mass layoffs, heavy taxes, or slashing everyone's paychecks... It's strictly about gutting the budget.

The solution isn't about slashing salaries... It’s about setting a flat average pay for everyone in public and government service while this lasts. That way, the overpaid ones end up getting cut in half, and the underpaid people actually doing all the heavy lifting finally get a fair shake... $333 More.

Do you honestly believe the public sector is mostly made up of people who aren't voters or political hacks, or is that just your delusion? You're basically suggesting pay cuts and layoffs should be applied indiscriminately to every single civil servant, even the ones who have absolutely zero connection to the cronies or The Party?

If they actually start doing that, the first people to get screwed over will be the ones who aren't hacks or Party loyalists!

To put it simply:

Long live the cronies. Let everyone else rot, as long as there's enough left for you guys.

The whole situation with the travel passes is still a total mess and nobody seems to have a clue what's actually going on.
Božinović needs to get out!

electricorca112 said:So, you think it’s perfectly fine to live off the grid in Washington, D.C., soaking up all the perks of the city while dodging the local surcharges everyone else pays—not to mention skipping out on local vehicle registration by keeping it filed elsewhere—but somehow, it becomes an unforgivable sin when a D.C. resident heads out to their weekend getaway outside the city? 🍿

Where on earth did I say that? Seriously, what kind of logic are you using to reach that conclusion? It’s enough to give someone whiplash.
He basically went on an unprovoked, chauvinistic rant, telling Dalmatians and Herzegovinians they need to pack up and leave Washington, D.C. It was honestly embarrassing to hear someone say something that ignorant, especially given everything going on right now.

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dustymarlin10 said:To put it simply:

Long live the cronies. Let everyone else rot, as long as there's enough left for you guys.

Let me expand that to six sentences:

I work at a state research institute doing stuff that’s actually useful. I’m not a cop, I’m not an EMT, and I’m definitely not some clerk behind a desk, counting stamps, making coffee, or showing up to a local town hall once a month. I didn't land this gig through the Party or because some cousin pulled strings.

So why should I be stuck with minimum wage or lose my job just because "Jack Cook7" thinks so? This guy is generalizing, and honestly, labeling everyone in public service as a corrupt crony is straight-up psychopathic...

Like I said, if we actually wanted to trim the budget without slashing salaries or firing people—and we're talking about salaries around the average in America—we’d start with the politicians and the big shots. They're the real crooks. That would save a fortune on its own...

Jose Scott3 said:Let me expand that to six sentences:

I work at a state research institute doing stuff that’s actually useful. I’m not a cop, I’m not an EMT, and I’m definitely not some clerk behind a desk, counting stamps, making coffee, or showing up to a local town hall once a month. I didn't land this gig through the Party or because some cousin pulled strings.

So why should I be stuck with minimum wage or lose my job just because "Jack Cook7" thinks so? This guy is generalizing, and honestly, labeling everyone in public service as a corrupt crony is straight-up psychopathic...

Like I said, if we actually wanted to trim the budget without slashing salaries or firing people—and we're talking about salaries around the average in America—we’d start with the politicians and the big shots. They're the real crooks. That would save a fortune on its own...

My guess: The Brookings Institution? 😁

Man, I'd love to kick the entire Academy right where it hurts.

Jose Scott3 said:Let me expand that to six sentences:

I work at a state research institute doing stuff that’s actually useful. I’m not a cop, I’m not an EMT, and I’m definitely not some clerk behind a desk, counting stamps, making coffee, or showing up to a local town hall once a month. I didn't land this gig through the Party or because some cousin pulled strings.

So why should I be stuck with minimum wage or lose my job just because "Jack Cook7" thinks so? This guy is generalizing, and honestly, labeling everyone in public service as a corrupt crony is straight-up psychopathic...

Like I said, if we actually wanted to trim the budget without slashing salaries or firing people—and we're talking about salaries around the average in America—we’d start with the politicians and the big shots. They're the real crooks. That would save a fortune on its own...

And why did you take our criticism personally?
It wasn't aimed at you (I don't even know your situation), nor should it have been meant to hit you where it hurts.
But tell me, why would I get fired from my job?
I work hard, I generate revenue, I pay insane taxes, and I’ve never owed anyone—not even the government—a single cent.
Now that the state has effectively blocked me from working by its own decision, am I supposed to just be "solidary" with those of you who are being funded by MY labor?

No.

Look, folks, things suck; I’m heading to the unemployment office, and that $1,500+ a month coming out of MY paycheck for YOUR needs has vanished. Now it’s your turn to pay me some benefits.
It’s about time you guys grew a pair, rationalized your headcount and your budgets, and brought yourselves back down to reality.

EDIT: The whole debate about whether public sector jobs are even necessary is pretty questionable. One of my clients is the National Archives.
You should see how much they value their own importance... and how everything is always such a massive emergency and they're always "so busy"...

Jacob Kern2 said:You should simply head over to the local office with your friend to register your temporary residence there. Once that is done, you can rest easy. Honestly, you are likely fine as it is since you aren't wandering around aimlessly, but if you truly want total peace of mind, just update your residency status. It is a process that takes mere minutes to complete.

Residence doesn't matter when you actually have to be at your legal address.

Joseph Taylor11 said:I hear you.
But what about someone like me who maintains a residence and an apartment in a different city? I live alone in that apartment, and I drive there by myself.
(And I'm not talking about going every single day—just once a week!!—say, to check if a pipe burst... or there's a gas leak... you get the idea)
Who and how am I EXACTLY putting anyone at risk?

Please spare me the whole "oh, you'll just pop in for milk and bread... or the pharmacy... or to see a neighbor..." routine.
No, I'm not stopping by a neighbor's house because I don't even know them (the people at my primary residence are the ones I actually socialize with)—and as for milk, bread, or the pharmacy, I'll head out when I actually need something, purely so I don't starve to death.

You can't JUST stop people from socializing simply by banning them from leaving their primary place of residence.

Period.

I hope that makes things a little clearer—and why I'm so annoyed by this decision.

Staying home isn't the issue for me. I'm home, I work from home; as far as I'm concerned, I could live for months without seeing another human being! I'd sign my name to that under oath.
But let me look after my own property (which nobody gave me for free, which I'm still paying a mortgage on, and which I can't just leave unattended for a month... or however long this lasts).

And yeah... NO, I don't have some neighbor I can just hand my keys to so they can check on everything. Even if I did, I wouldn't be crazy enough to give a neighbor my apartment keys indefinitely. Helloooooo!!!!!

I totally get you.

dustymarlin10 said:And why did you take our criticism personally?
It wasn't aimed at you (I don't even know your situation), nor should it have been meant to hit you where it hurts.
But tell me, why would I get fired from my job?
I work hard, I generate revenue, I pay insane taxes, and I’ve never owed anyone—not even the government—a single cent.
Now that the state has effectively blocked me from working by its own decision, am I supposed to just be "solidary" with those of you who are being funded by MY labor?

No.

Look, folks, things suck; I’m heading to the unemployment office, and that $1,500+ a month coming out of MY paycheck for YOUR needs has vanished. Now it’s your turn to pay me some benefits.
It’s about time you guys grew a pair, rationalized your headcount and your budgets, and brought yourselves back down to reality.

EDIT: The whole debate about whether public sector jobs are even necessary is pretty questionable. One of my clients is the National Archives.
You should see how much they value their own importance... and how everything is always such a massive emergency and they're always "so busy"...

I bet the government will quickly hire ten thousand members of the Party just so the bureaucracy can handle the massive influx of unemployed people hitting up social services.

You know, they'll probably just stand outside the welfare offices with baseball bats and helmets to fend off the crowd. 🤣

vividranger8 said:Maybe we should actually do something about those irresponsible folks, right?

In order to actually address irresponsibility, the police force needs to fulfill its fundamental duties first. It is, quite frankly, much easier to simply issue a blanket ban on everyone and toss out vague, half-baked restrictions, only to then hand out penalties based on whoever happens to be feeling particularly strict at any given moment.

And yet, there are still people out there offering their unconditional support for this approach? 🙏

Jose Scott3 said:Oh sure, you'll just guarantee everyone else behaves—like someone heading out to their ranch or a cabin won't stop by the ExxonMobil station, then hit the grocery store, then swing by cousin number one's place, then maybe cousin number two's...

The whole point is to kill off any kind of social contact, not just restrict walking around. There’s zero guarantee that someone actually out and about isn't going to grab an opportunity to hang out.

And being a "responsible individual" doesn't mean squat. The last two weeks have already proven there are way too many people who couldn't care less.

Of course I’m not guaranteeing anything, but let’s be honest: with this clumsy set of rules, nobody is guaranteeing a damn thing right now either. You think this is any more effective? Business owners are essentially issuing their own passes; it’s a complete joke. We have regulations that are questionable at best, massive loopholes everywhere, and penalties that seem entirely arbitrary depending on who's looking. It’s pure chaos.

Jose Scott3 said:Oh sure, you'll just guarantee everyone else behaves—like someone heading out to their ranch or a cabin won't stop by the ExxonMobil station, then hit the grocery store, then swing by cousin number one's place, then maybe cousin number two's...

The whole point is to kill off any kind of social contact, not just restrict walking around. There’s zero guarantee that someone actually out and about isn't going to grab an opportunity to hang out.

And being a "responsible individual" doesn't mean squat. The last two weeks have already proven there are way too many people who couldn't care less.

True, but your logic relies on the assumption that people will actually follow what is being asked of them. You can't force compliance if a large enough segment of the population refuses to cooperate. When you demand nonsense, you lose all credibility, and eventually, people just stop listening because they no longer trust what you say.

Jose Scott3 said:Oh sure, you'll just guarantee everyone else behaves—like someone heading out to their ranch or a cabin won't stop by the ExxonMobil station, then hit the grocery store, then swing by cousin number one's place, then maybe cousin number two's...

The whole point is to kill off any kind of social contact, not just restrict walking around. There’s zero guarantee that someone actually out and about isn't going to grab an opportunity to hang out.

And being a "responsible individual" doesn't mean squat. The last two weeks have already proven there are way too many people who couldn't care less.

Yes, but the approach should be to penalize those who violate the self-isolation guidelines, rather than punishing everyone indiscriminately. As Putin said, such people are bioterrorists. As usual in this disorganized mess, the rule-breakers thrive while the law-abiding majority suffers. The authorities treat the majority like cattle and leave the troublemakers alone because they view them as too dangerous to touch.

rustywalker42 said:Residence doesn't matter when you actually have to be at your legal address.

I totally get you.

He’s talking about legal residence versus just staying somewhere.
Technically, a temporary residence should work. But right now, they aren't even letting people register a temporary residence.

Posted at noon:

It’s all following the official decision. Honestly, I have no idea why Božinović felt the need to spout all that nonsense this morning...

I just received my monthly pass from the company, but I’m honestly at a loss as to where I can actually use it. As someone living and working right here in Washington, D.C., it feels pretty useless since I don't even rely on public transit. Is the grand plan to eventually shut down all of Washington, D.C. entirely? Because if that's the case, maybe I'll finally have an excuse to flash this thing on my commute to work 🤔