Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

And why on earth does it have to be right after May Day?

electrichound22 said:And why on earth does it have to be right after May Day?

Look, plenty of the command centers have already been pushing for a merger and unified coordination. Honestly, you should expect the National Security Council to start greenlighting these requests as soon as things settle down after Easter.

Melissa Collins3 said:Maybe heading to nearby towns, sure, but expecting to roam the entire county freely? I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

🙂 Precisely. That is the correct approach. These temporary permits are merely a transitional tool intended for cultivation purposes.

Melissa Collins3 said:Maybe heading to nearby towns, sure, but expecting to roam the entire county freely? I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Even the neighboring towns are starting to merge back together 😉
And honestly, aiming to have these state-wide measures settled by the end of the month doesn't seem entirely out of reach...
Especially since several states are seeing such negligible infection numbers anyway 🤷
So, one could argue that traveling within those states doesn't present much of a significant public health risk, does it...?
🤷

Ohio 4
California 3
Montana 3

https://covid19us.cdc.gov/d/zL99n...state?orgId=3

Jerry Robinson56 said:🙂 Precisely. That is the correct approach. These temporary permits are merely a transitional tool intended for cultivation purposes.

So, let me get this straight—a teacher walks into a classroom where two students haven't even bothered to finish their homework, and instead of addressing the issue, they hand out gold stars to everyone just to "cultivate" the atmosphere? 🤔Quite a concept...

Today the papers are all over this, claiming everything is basically unconstitutional. Apparently, the state legislature needs to vote on it, but they finally realized—after twenty-some days—that we might actually want to follow the law since it’s already on the books... 🙂 They say it'll move forward through some emergency procedure, though I have no clue when. We've got Easter coming up, then Memorial Day... we'll probably see something by June 🙂

Bryan Taylor6 said:Today the papers are all over this, claiming everything is basically unconstitutional. Apparently, the state legislature needs to vote on it, but they finally realized—after twenty-some days—that we might actually want to follow the law since it’s already on the books... 🙂 They say it'll move forward through some emergency procedure, though I have no clue when. We've got Easter coming up, then Memorial Day... we'll probably see something by June 🙂

🤣
Well, I suppose... surely they won't try to bundle Easter and Memorial Day together now...
🤣
Not that I’d be particularly shocked if they did—though I wouldn't be...

Though I highly doubt they'll start singing their own praises just yet... but as for easing up on this movement ban by the end of the month—it clearly isn't just my own wishful thinking anymore (an assumption, perhaps?🤔) but something that is becoming a very real possibility🤣

Bryan Taylor6 said:Today the papers are all over this, claiming everything is basically unconstitutional. Apparently, the state legislature needs to vote on it, but they finally realized—after twenty-some days—that we might actually want to follow the law since it’s already on the books... 🙂 They say it'll move forward through some emergency procedure, though I have no clue when. We've got Easter coming up, then Memorial Day... we'll probably see something by June 🙂

By the time they actually pass the law, those measures will probably be canceled anyway.

They just released the numbers. About 900,000 passes issued and 34,000 rejected...

Lawrence Reed3 said:By the time they actually pass the law, those measures will probably be canceled anyway.

When everything starts moving this fast and so spontaneously... 😁

Bryan Taylor6 said:When everything starts moving this fast and so spontaneously... 😁

I honestly think that cell phone tracking law is probably going to fizzle out too:
Are they giving up on tracking citizens through their mobile phones?

The amendments to the law that would have allowed the government to track people via their smartphones have been sent to the U.S. Congress for a second reading. Does this mean the administration has basically thrown in the towel?

- The whole point of that law was to catch folks who were mass-returning from ski resorts in places like Italy or Austria when the outbreak first kicked off. But since that incubation period has passed, we're seeing how the CDC and other federal agencies are looking at ways to use modern tech to better spot infected people—or those who aren't following isolation rules.

I guess they’ll be brainstorming along those lines now, though I'm not really sure what will actually come out of those talks right now, said the official.

If it's heading to a second reading, maybe we can assume the crisis is calming down? If so, does this law even make sense anymore?

- Well, obviously, if the crisis settles down, then it doesn't make sense. That's why we need to do everything possible to get things back to normal ASAP. We just have to stick to the guidelines.

If there are people testing positive who still want to travel—even if they're supposed to be isolating—we definitely have to keep an eye on them. It's about appealing to their conscience, sure, but also having the police and federal inspectors step in where needed, the official added.

http://www.nytimes.com/news/US_updates_refresh=true

Joshua Gray75 said:So, let me get this straight—a teacher walks into a classroom where two students haven't even bothered to finish their homework, and instead of addressing the issue, they hand out gold stars to everyone just to "cultivate" the atmosphere? 🤔Quite a concept...

I generally prefer not to overanalyze the obvious, but it is certain that those two will learn their lesson and actually finish their work next time.
Not a bad system, is it?

Jerry Robinson56 said:I generally prefer not to overanalyze the obvious, but it is certain that those two will learn their lesson and actually finish their work next time.
Not a bad system, is it?

So, who's actually getting paid to teach here? The instructor or the students?

Jerry Robinson56 said:I generally prefer not to overanalyze the obvious, but it is certain that those two will learn their lesson and actually finish their work next time.
Not a bad system, is it?

Are you suggesting we need some local lunatic in Chicago "educating" rocks while two women out for a stroll with their dogs try to ignore him? Honestly, yeah, just what this country needs... another absolute clown wasting everyone's time.

Jerry Robinson56 said:I generally prefer not to overanalyze the obvious, but it is certain that those two will learn their lesson and actually finish their work next time.
Not a bad system, is it?

That whole way of "teaching lessons" is basically what directors at some of those institutions we'd much rather forget ever existed used to do. It's—well, it's pretty much the exact opposite of the standards we claim to have nowadays.

So, yeah... maybe you don't see it that way, but personally, I think it's pretty lousy.

Alexander Thompson said:That whole way of "teaching lessons" is basically what directors at some of those institutions we'd much rather forget ever existed used to do. It's—well, it's pretty much the exact opposite of the standards we claim to have nowadays.

So, yeah... maybe you don't see it that way, but personally, I think it's pretty lousy.

Even for someone like me, an old-school traditionalist and a social democrat, it sits wrong.

James Phillips92 said:So, who's actually getting paid to teach here? The instructor or the students?

Have you perhaps failed to consider that the true objective is the transfer of knowledge, rather than the mere movement of capital?
There is always a simpler path... and a more efficient one. One simply has to choose.
But I suppose we shall continue with this philosophical posturing.

Matthew Jackson2 said:Are you suggesting we need some local lunatic in Chicago "educating" rocks while two women out for a stroll with their dogs try to ignore him? Honestly, yeah, just what this country needs... another absolute clown wasting everyone's time.

Do not be so quick to leap toward destruction or assume I am advocating violence; please, re-read my words once more. One instructs the ignorant, whereas one might slap the gifted, simply because that is the only language they seem to comprehend.
Others would merely assist them until the effort becomes entirely futile.

Alexander Thompson said:That whole way of "teaching lessons" is basically what directors at some of those institutions we'd much rather forget ever existed used to do. It's—well, it's pretty much the exact opposite of the standards we claim to have nowadays.

So, yeah... maybe you don't see it that way, but personally, I think it's pretty lousy.

As noted above, you always focus first on the aesthetics... on the collective. It is a matter of philosophy. Intelligent individuals discern the substance of what I write, and one always retains the freedom of choice.

This was the initial post... and it received a comprehensive response from the individual in question...

So basically

I trust you realize that the aforementioned individual does not truly grasp the mechanics of viral distribution... do you not, esteemed Alexander Thompson.
I hold your observations in high regard. They approach perfection.
Though, I fail to see which institutions you are referencing—I am not quite old enough to have lived through the era of the Third Reich to feel any particular nostalgia for it. Regardless, it is irrelevant to the topic; merely an observation.

Jerry Robinson56 said:Do not be so quick to leap toward destruction or assume I am advocating violence; please, re-read my words once more. One instructs the ignorant, whereas one might slap the gifted, simply because that is the only language they seem to comprehend.
Others would merely assist them until the effort becomes entirely futile.

As noted above, you always focus first on the aesthetics... on the collective. It is a matter of philosophy. Intelligent individuals discern the substance of what I write, and one always retains the freedom of choice.

This was the initial post... and it received a comprehensive response from the individual in question...

So basically

I trust you realize that the aforementioned individual does not truly grasp the mechanics of viral distribution... do you not, esteemed Alexander Thompson.
I hold your observations in high regard. They approach perfection.
Though, I fail to see which institutions you are referencing—I am not quite old enough to have lived through the era of the Third Reich to feel any particular nostalgia for it. Regardless, it is irrelevant to the topic; merely an observation.

You’re sticking to the same pattern, aren't you? Basically, we told them nicely to stop acting like this, they didn't listen, so now we're going to teach them a lesson!

The whole thing just screams incompetence from whoever is supposed to be 'managing' things.
They can't even manage to keep the infected or the suspicious folks in self-isolation, so instead, they decide to control everyone's movement. Everyone gets treated the same. From the big cities all the way down to tiny rural towns with barely a hundred people.

And then, after all that, they go and issue a million entry passes.😵

Alexander Thompson said:You’re sticking to the same pattern, aren't you? Basically, we told them nicely to stop acting like this, they didn't listen, so now we're going to teach them a lesson!

The whole thing just screams incompetence from whoever is supposed to be 'managing' things.
They can't even manage to keep the infected or the suspicious folks in self-isolation, so instead, they decide to control everyone's movement. Everyone gets treated the same. From the big cities all the way down to tiny rural towns with barely a hundred people.

And then, after all that, they go and issue a million entry passes.😵

It isn't quite that black and white. You've bypassed the lengthy phase of education... we aren't machines or automated systems; progress takes time, though it eventually yields a definitive result. Do you truly believe (!) it is acceptable for someone to jeopardize their family or someone else's just because they claim to feel perfectly fine? To my mind, it's akin to handing a machine gun to an intoxicated or drugged individual and saying, "whatever happens, happens." They aren't to blame; it's just the alcohol doing its work. These permits are a necessary evil; they could have implemented a curfew instead... Do you actually possess a constructive idea beyond mere criticism? I agree that this choice was unfortunate, but I see no viable alternative. Tell me, have you ever managed a massive undertaking? The objective is recovery, yet most people barely understand what they are "fighting" against, and isolation remains the only proven effective measure through the centuries.

I am writing from a philosophical standpoint. Let us proceed methodically (please... you may pose your questions one by one alongside your own answers, which needn't strictly follow the flow of conversation) because it is the only way to navigate this dialogue given the sheer number of "loose ends." We will inevitably descend into selfishness and greed very soon.

1. Do you concede that movement must be restricted due to the current circumstances?

- Not merely those who are symptomatic, but also those who appear "healthy"... there is enough virus to go around, and it is undoubtedly among us. The question is simply whether enough of it will latch onto us to become the primary concern. Detection is neither fast enough nor reliable enough.

The goal is to explain to the public how they ought to behave, because even without symptoms, they can act as carriers. The aim is to localize potential hotspots. Think of it as a chain reaction—moderation through absorption and deceleration. Not everyone possesses the level of awareness or conscientiousness that we, and certain others on this forum, exhibit.