Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

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Does anyone actually grasp the sheer volume of obligations placed upon a child in the lower elementary grades these days? It is quite frankly staggering. Between the mandatory television screen time, a morning load of homework spanning four or five different subjects, and then the inevitable afternoon assignments—it is an exhausting cycle. And if the parents decide to enroll them in after-school language programs or music lessons, you are essentially looking at a full-time job for someone who hasn't even hit puberty yet. It is a relentless schedule.

It seems to me that in this country, there is a fundamental lack of consideration for the well-being of children. Even under normal circumstances, the scheduling is quite absurd; high school students are expected to endure classes from 7:00 AM until 3:00 PM without so much as a single break for lunch. To make matters worse, the current situation has become even more taxing. You have fifteen different subject teachers, each operating under the delusion that they must assign homework with a deadline of tomorrow morning. It is an inefficient and frankly exhausting way to manage education.

Forget it! You really ought to make use of your time wisely, at least now while you're actually home with your child. Before you even have a chance to turn around, they'll be grown, and you’ll find yourself looking back with nothing but regret.
Do you truly believe they will hold onto memories of their school days? I suspect not. Academic instruction is a fleeting, often tedious affair that fades into a dull fog of rote memorization. However, the time spent playing with you—that shared engagement—is something far more indelible. One forgets the curriculum, but one never forgets the company.
There was a time when the American educational system actually demanded something of its students. The rigor of our schools used to be significantly more substantial than what we see today.

Jerry Robinson56 said:

jadetinker85 As specified by:
Does anyone actually grasp the sheer volume of obligations placed upon a child in the lower elementary grades these days? It is quite frankly staggering. Between the mandatory television screen time, a morning load of homework spanning four or five different subjects, and then the inevitable afternoon assignments—it is an exhausting cycle. And if the parents decide to enroll them in after-school language programs or music lessons, you are essentially looking at a full-time job for someone who hasn't even hit puberty yet. It is a relentless schedule.

It seems to me that in this country, there is a fundamental lack of consideration for the well-being of children. Even under normal circumstances, the scheduling is quite absurd; high school students are expected to endure classes from 7:00 AM until 3:00 PM without so much as a single break for lunch. To make matters worse, the current situation has become even more taxing. You have fifteen different subject teachers, each operating under the delusion that they must assign homework with a deadline of tomorrow morning. It is an inefficient and frankly exhausting way to manage education.

Forget it! You really ought to make use of your time wisely, at least now while you're actually home with your child. Before you even have a chance to turn around, they'll be grown, and you’ll find yourself looking back with nothing but regret.
Do you truly believe they will hold onto memories of their school days? I suspect not. Academic instruction is a fleeting, often tedious affair that fades into a dull fog of rote memorization. However, the time spent playing with you—that shared engagement—is something far more indelible. One forgets the curriculum, but one never forgets the company.
There was a time when the American educational system actually demanded something of its students. The rigor of our schools used to be significantly more substantial than what we see today.

Wait, what would you even do right now if you could turn back the clock and be stuck at home with a kid during a pandemic?

jadetinker85 said:Wait, what would you even do right now if you could turn back the clock and be stuck at home with a kid during a pandemic?

I spent that time with my child... spinning tales, sometimes the classics, sometimes just making things up on the fly. We turned the living room into a fairy tale kingdom and had pillow fights. We even had these little intellectual chats about school. Children are truly remarkable creatures if you actually bother to listen to them...
grab some sidewalk chalk and draw hopscotch grids right there in the hallway...
they need you.

Hey, I have a question because I haven't seen a clear explanation from the police in any of the news outlets. When you apply for an e-pass, does the system automatically reject anyone currently under quarantine, or do they just check up on them after the fact?
From what they’ve said, it sounds like they just go back later to investigate and penalize people if they catch them abusing the system...
If that's how it works, how is it even possible for someone in quarantine to actually get an e-pass?
They claim to be integrated with other government agencies, so according to the Department of Homeland Security, everything should be visible automatically, right?

Second question: is it actually possible for an employer to issue a pass to someone who doesn't even work for their company? If so, what's even the point of this whole setup? It's like letting the fox guard the henhouse...
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It’s totally possible the system just runs those status checks—you know, the whole self-isolation thing—during some kind of overnight batch processing. Based on what the high-ups at the CDC have been saying, it looks like they're just doing the verification after the fact. And yeah, an employer can't just hand out a pass to someone else; the software literally won't let them.

I honestly can't wrap my head around how they can issue a pass to someone who's officially flagged for quarantine or self-isolation.

I mean, if we're doing this, the whole point of these passes should be to actually stop those people from moving around. It’s pretty sad that we even need a system like this in the first place, but clearly, here we are.

Adam Reed2 said:Hey, I have a question because I haven't seen a clear explanation from the police in any of the news outlets. When you apply for an e-pass, does the system automatically reject anyone currently under quarantine, or do they just check up on them after the fact?
From what they’ve said, it sounds like they just go back later to investigate and penalize people if they catch them abusing the system...
If that's how it works, how is it even possible for someone in quarantine to actually get an e-pass?
They claim to be integrated with other government agencies, so according to the Department of Homeland Security, everything should be visible automatically, right?

Second question: is it actually possible for an employer to issue a pass to someone who doesn't even work for their company? If so, what's even the point of this whole setup? It's like letting the fox guard the henhouse...
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It isn't quite that straightforward—primarily because both the pass and the isolation period are bound by specific timeframes. For instance, I might be in quarantine today, but my isolation ends tomorrow. If I then request a pass starting from tomorrow for the next week, am I technically breaking any rules? It is a rather tricky question, isn't it?
One must compare the actual time periods rather than just looking at Social Security numbers. Of course, such a system is entirely possible to build, but for our local bureaucrats—who frankly struggle with basic tasks—it likely represents too much of a mental strain. Consequently, they probably opted for the easier route of overnight batch processing.

On a related note, I was reviewing a clip from a public hearing where a very simple question was posed: "How many people hold a valid pass on any given day?" Reaching that number should be relatively easy, yet they still don't have an answer. That figure would be quite revealing—it would expose the absurdity of this issuance process, where practically half of America effectively holds travel rights across the country.

copperwolf16 said:It isn't quite that straightforward—primarily because both the pass and the isolation period are bound by specific timeframes. For instance, I might be in quarantine today, but my isolation ends tomorrow. If I then request a pass starting from tomorrow for the next week, am I technically breaking any rules? It is a rather tricky question, isn't it?
One must compare the actual time periods rather than just looking at Social Security numbers. Of course, such a system is entirely possible to build, but for our local bureaucrats—who frankly struggle with basic tasks—it likely represents too much of a mental strain. Consequently, they probably opted for the easier route of overnight batch processing.

On a related note, I was reviewing a clip from a public hearing where a very simple question was posed: "How many people hold a valid pass on any given day?" Reaching that number should be relatively easy, yet they still don't have an answer. That figure would be quite revealing—it would expose the absurdity of this issuance process, where practically half of America effectively holds travel rights across the country.

Yeah, that was exactly my point. In my view, the whole measure is more about psychological manipulation than anything else..

Thanks for the reply, and thanks to everyone else who weighed in too..👍

Why on earth would you be considered in violation just for requesting a permit?
The only person who could actually be in the wrong here is the official issuing it, not someone simply asking for one.

copperwolf16 said:It isn't quite that straightforward—primarily because both the pass and the isolation period are bound by specific timeframes. For instance, I might be in quarantine today, but my isolation ends tomorrow. If I then request a pass starting from tomorrow for the next week, am I technically breaking any rules? It is a rather tricky question, isn't it?
One must compare the actual time periods rather than just looking at Social Security numbers. Of course, such a system is entirely possible to build, but for our local bureaucrats—who frankly struggle with basic tasks—it likely represents too much of a mental strain. Consequently, they probably opted for the easier route of overnight batch processing.

On a related note, I was reviewing a clip from a public hearing where a very simple question was posed: "How many people hold a valid pass on any given day?" Reaching that number should be relatively easy, yet they still don't have an answer. That figure would be quite revealing—it would expose the absurdity of this issuance process, where practically half of America effectively holds travel rights across the country.

Unbelievable. Seriously, that is such a basic query. You could write it manually or code it into the database in thirty seconds flat. Just slap a button on the admin dashboard or add it to every user form or report, and boom—done. Same goes for local town halls, police stations, or county offices. It's ten minutes of work tops to get real-time reporting.

Even by our standards of pure incompetence, this is hard to wrap my head around. I'm starting to wonder if the IRS or the DMV is the one "building" this app.

Carl Wilson said:It’s totally possible the system just runs those status checks—you know, the whole self-isolation thing—during some kind of overnight batch processing. Based on what the high-ups at the CDC have been saying, it looks like they're just doing the verification after the fact. And yeah, an employer can't just hand out a pass to someone else; the software literally won't let them.

Look, the database used to track everyone who's positive or in isolation has been set up for ages. It goes all the way back to when health inspectors were pulling people over at state border crossings and ordering them into quarantine. Honestly, it's how pharmacies check if you're under isolation when you show up for meds using your insurance card from Blue Cross.

Bottom line? Checking if someone is in isolation is a total breeze—just a quick search by Social Security number or insurance ID, whatever works. You could set that whole thing up in ten minutes flat. "Overnight batch processing?" Please. Give me a break.

They finally scrapped it—now I can go almost wherever I want.🎉🎉

Forget this organic stuff... I’m done with all this home-cooked, "natural" nonsense. Give me a McDonald's burger and call it a day.🤣

Hmm... yes... it seems they are indeed merging the municipalities.
As of now, nothing in my local area is "official"—it remains merely a proposal at this stage.
But even that constitutes progress, I suppose...

I believe I was correct in my earlier assertion that these municipal mergers would be imminent...

Given this, might one reasonably hope that by the end of the month, the movement to lift those county-level permits will also expand? 🤔😁

Joshua Gray75 said:Hmm... yes... it seems they are indeed merging the municipalities.
As of now, nothing in my local area is "official"—it remains merely a proposal at this stage.
But even that constitutes progress, I suppose...

I believe I was correct in my earlier assertion that these municipal mergers would be imminent...

Given this, might one reasonably hope that by the end of the month, the movement to lift those county-level permits will also expand? 🤔😁

Since you nailed the town situation, maybe you've got some insight on the counties too.

Susan Barrett2 said:Since you nailed the town situation, maybe you've got some insight on the counties too.

Ha... well, I certainly hope so...
🙂

It would seem quite logical—if we're being practical—that the next step should focus on the states—particularly those where infection rates remain relatively low...
https://covid19hr.velebit.ai/d/zL99n...vatska?orgId=3

Take these examples, for instance... areas with fewer than 10 cases... 🤷 —it isn't quite the same picture as the regions reporting over 100... (though even those with over 100 are essentially just two outliers plus New York City)...

Vermont 6
Kansas 4
Arkansas 3
Wyoming 2

It doesn't matter much to me if they open up traffic within my own county. I really need to be able to drive into the next state over.🙂 I'm just hoping it won't take too long until that happens.

Does anyone actually know what the penalties are for abandoning your primary residence? Like, if you get caught, do they actually hand out fines, or is it just a warning most of the time? I've been digging through stuff online, and the info is all over the place—some sources say it's just a slap on the wrist, while others claim you could be looking at a $0.00 fine.

Megan Kelly8 said:Does anyone actually know what the penalties are for abandoning your primary residence? Like, if you get caught, do they actually hand out fines, or is it just a warning most of the time? I've been digging through stuff online, and the info is all over the place—some sources say it's just a slap on the wrist, while others claim you could be looking at a $0.00 fine.

And, uh, how would you even prove you left your home base *before* a travel ban was put in place, rather than after? Like, how does one even demonstrate that timing thing?

just by tracking a cell phone

I mean, trying to prove someone is actually standing right where their phone is... man, that's gonna be a tough sell even in an American courtroom. Like, seriously! What if a person is carrying two different phones and they're sitting in totally different spots? Where is our justice system even gonna decide they are—somewhere halfway between the two locations? I guess it just gets messy! 🙂