Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Jerry Robinson56 said:You're making assumptions about Washington, D.C., yet I traverse this city in all directions multiple times almost every day. And frankly, nearly everyone adheres to the rules...
Let me reiterate: the raw number is irrelevant! For heaven's sake, understand this once: if an infection occurs, you will at least know who was standing near you. It isn't like some stranger from deep within D.C. or someone from Maui. That is the crux of the matter. In your own community, you actually recognize the people around you; elsewhere, you don't.

So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

As soon as the virus hit nursing homes, we lost track of patient zero...

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

I totally agree. Incompetent through and through.

Bryan Taylor6 said:As soon as the virus hit nursing homes, we lost track of patient zero...

Spot on. Just watch how fast things spiral once it starts tearing through those care facilities. Here in KC today, we already had three people move from a nursing home to the hospital. And the ones who were hit a few days ago? They’re already in D.C., over in Brooklyn. Meanwhile, we’re stuck dealing with all these stay-at-home orders. You know, the kind of "effective" measures that don't actually do much.🤣

Jerry Robinson56 said:🙂 And you to me. 😉Look, I agree that household members should be granted an exemption, but they wouldn't just be surrounded by family in those settings. I must reiterate that a carrier doesn't necessarily show symptoms, and from what I can see, detection only happens once symptoms actually manifest. Furthermore, we cannot ignore the fact that older individuals are far more vulnerable to this virus, or that it accelerates their final stages.
As a preventative measure, one shouldn't let an elderly person go anywhere. I haven't even seen my mother in a month and a half... and I only see my brother in passing... you understand? And yet, I am asymptomatic (at least regarding COVID).

Prevention is justifiable regardless of the current outcome. Especially when it comes to a funeral... if I had the choice, I wouldn't even attend my own.🕺

So what's the point of all this then? Take me for example—today at one hospital, they checked my temperature and made me sign some paperwork about legal liability and blah blah blah... because I had to enter the building for work. I don't have symptoms, I haven't been to China, Italy, or anywhere abroad, I don't know anyone suspicious, infected, or sick... yet they say I could be an asymptomatic carrier. So now, I'm allowed in that hospital because I have a work permit, but I'm not allowed to head over to the next county to go fishing because I don't have "permission" for that. I mean, permission to travel. I have a license to fish, though.
It’s absolutely insane. In the last week alone, I've driven around 600435 miles miles through three different counties, getting held up at various institutions along the way. It turns out that while I'm on the clock, I'm not spreading the virus, but the second I step out of my work vehicle, I suddenly become a walking time bomb looking to infect three dying patients in palliative care. Who, by the way, you'll usually find out in the middle of a fishing trip or sitting at a hunting blind.
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Rachel Roberts6 said:So what's the point of all this then? Take me for example—today at one hospital, they checked my temperature and made me sign some paperwork about legal liability and blah blah blah... because I had to enter the building for work. I don't have symptoms, I haven't been to China, Italy, or anywhere abroad, I don't know anyone suspicious, infected, or sick... yet they say I could be an asymptomatic carrier. So now, I'm allowed in that hospital because I have a work permit, but I'm not allowed to head over to the next county to go fishing because I don't have "permission" for that. I mean, permission to travel. I have a license to fish, though.
It’s absolutely insane. In the last week alone, I've driven around 600435 miles miles through three different counties, getting held up at various institutions along the way. It turns out that while I'm on the clock, I'm not spreading the virus, but the second I step out of my work vehicle, I suddenly become a walking time bomb looking to infect three dying patients in palliative care. Who, by the way, you'll usually find out in the middle of a fishing trip or sitting at a hunting blind.
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

I’ve heard stories about this before, but honestly, it feels like an absurdity squared—I mean, criminal liability is already clearly defined by law if you bother to look it up. Then again, I suppose there's the cynical thought that maybe the very person handing you the pen is carrying something themselves... you can never really know these days.

Rachel Roberts6 said:So what's the point of all this then? Take me for example—today at one hospital, they checked my temperature and made me sign some paperwork about legal liability and blah blah blah... because I had to enter the building for work. I don't have symptoms, I haven't been to China, Italy, or anywhere abroad, I don't know anyone suspicious, infected, or sick... yet they say I could be an asymptomatic carrier. So now, I'm allowed in that hospital because I have a work permit, but I'm not allowed to head over to the next county to go fishing because I don't have "permission" for that. I mean, permission to travel. I have a license to fish, though.
It’s absolutely insane. In the last week alone, I've driven around 600435 miles miles through three different counties, getting held up at various institutions along the way. It turns out that while I'm on the clock, I'm not spreading the virus, but the second I step out of my work vehicle, I suddenly become a walking time bomb looking to infect three dying patients in palliative care. Who, by the way, you'll usually find out in the middle of a fishing trip or sitting at a hunting blind.
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Measures like these always breed resentment, but the issue isn't the policy itself; it's the people enforcing it. Policies are broad and theoretical, whereas individuals on the ground are the ones actually implementing them...
Regardless, it is prudent to maintain a paper trail... try doing it that way. Words alone won't protect you...
Just recently, they demanded to see an old medical record at a hospital entrance because my supplemental insurance didn't clearly list my initials. Fortunately, I had the order paperwork handy, though I discovered they weren't even sure if the records would be available, and nobody was answering the phone... Instead of simply verifying my ID, which includes a photo... 🕺 Since I happen to be a cold-blooded bastard, I managed to slip through unscathed.

The number of victims would undoubtedly be far higher given the high probability of a chain reaction of infection, much like what we see in the USA, though there the focus tends to fall disproportionately on the poor.
Of course, anyone can be a carrier, but there must be a reasonable balance when your presence is required for essential tasks.
I know what it's like for a fisherman without "water"... my preferred method is lures and spinning gear, so you can imagine how much ground I cover on foot—not to mention the times I've fallen into the water in the dead of winter... 😁...Cheers.

electricbadger89 said:I have no idea what these people are even talking about. You haven't been able to register on the e-government portal for ages now.

https://www.nytimes.com/news/coronavirus...---600517.html

The first time, I just did it alongside the landlord... after that, I'm on my own. Up to two years... then it’s a permanent registration (again, involving the landlord).

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

🙂 No... that would be absurd. However, given the sheer number of surveillance cameras available, if we are going to philosophize about it... the issue lies in the protocols. Once again, the focus should be on isolating the specific locations of potential infection sources.

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

I don't have access to every detail, but I certainly wouldn't play soccer in a minefield that I haven't personally cleared myself... speaking purely rhetorically, of course.

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

The measure was sudden, though they could have instituted a curfew to make it seamless—is that what you want? People "left" out of concern... and I wouldn't call it a mass exodus; I witnessed the first stages with my own eyes. It was truly fortunate that FEMA decided on this measure, because the consequences of the earthquake would have resulted in far more casualties on the streets...

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

Self-isolation followed by enforcement... the real issue lies with those who simply refuse to comply. Don't you feel that if people were actually being cooperative, these restrictions could be eased significantly?
The police force is insufficient. Brkaš is overworking the Department of Justice staff...

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

The problem is "your people"... they think they've solved everything just by thinking about it...

fadedranger162 said:So, what, you think you personally know all 780,000 of your fellow citizens well enough to pinpoint exactly who infected you? Was it that guy from Brooklyn, the dude downtown, or someone from a neighborhood halfway across a city that's twice the size of Maui?

And look at those people in the procession—they were following all the protocols, just like you claim the walkers are doing. They didn't even have any active cases on the island, and they’ve basically been in quarantine there for three weeks anyway.

This whole restriction is totally unnecessary. We already saw after that massive exodus from Washington, D.C. during the earthquake that we didn't see a spike in infections at all. People who didn't need to travel weren't traveling before, and now they’ve just made life needlessly complicated on top of an already shitty situation.

The truth is, they only pulled this stunt because they were too incompetent to manage the 10,000 people in self-isolation. I mean, if we have three or four times more cops than that, they could have easily organized shifts to handle them. They were even more useless after the earthquake—where was FEMA or the police that morning to direct people to safe zones, calm things down, and stop everyone from fleeing like crazy? They were just as clueless when these permits first rolled out, where anyone could practically grab one if they played nice with the local sheriff.

It’s easy for you to sit there and talk trash about how great this rule is, just like the people who implemented it. They act like everything revolves around Washington, D.C., as if the rest of the country doesn't even exist. If they actually wanted to track movement, they could have just required a temporary check-in with local headquarters whenever you travel, and then slapped you with a fine if you got caught without reporting it.

Because as it stands, it's absolute insanity. You've got Grandma Mary who can't even walk a mile to the grocery store because it's technically in a different municipality, forcing her to trek all the way to the other side of her own county 3.5 miles, maybe even a pricier shop. Meanwhile, let's say Mark is infected but has no clue, and he can stroll into any Walmart in the D.C. area and cough all over the shelves while thousands of people pass by.

As previously stated... "your people" need to ensure rational conduct within one's own place of residence... how could the Headquarters possibly manage to handle every single localized detail? >A certain degree of centralization is necessary to consolidate data... we still know very little about the virus... or its genesis.
A simple memo to the Headquarters and an agreement with the surrounding areas would suffice... Besides, you proposed a similar solution yourself.👍 Think globally, act locally.😉

Matthew Jackson2 said:I’ve heard stories about this before, but honestly, it feels like an absurdity squared—I mean, criminal liability is already clearly defined by law if you bother to look it up. Then again, I suppose there's the cynical thought that maybe the very person handing you the pen is carrying something themselves... you can never really know these days.

It isn't an absurdity.

The whole point of signing a form like that is psychological. It serves the exact same purpose as swearing an oath in a courtroom to tell nothing but the truth.

The sheer incompetence and clown show happening over at the County Headquarters is getting ridiculous. I honestly don't have the words for these idiots.
So, this decision pops up allowing movement within municipalities that signed an agreement for a joint headquarters—which makes zero sense to me, because why bother with a joint command if you aren't trying to manage the flow of people? Anyway, following inquiries from Californians and some of our own local towns, they jumped into these agreements. The Californians got their approval within 24 hours. Meanwhile, nobody knows how it works or if we’re supposed to be waiting on a green light from Washington, D.C. People in San Francisco and the surrounding ring are constantly asking about it. It was clearly published back on April 9th in The New York Times stating that travel is permitted without a permit through any municipality that signed the agreement.

If that's the case, our local towns should have just signed immediately—except for places like Newport, which basically broke the communication link between Mošćenički Draga-Opatija🤣... and then you've got Santa Barbara, Bakar, and Monterey refusing to join.
Those who actually want to move are just sitting there waiting and waiting. Apparently, The New York Times and the actual law aren't enough; everything has to be cleared by Washington, D.C. first. And before Washington, you have to send a request to the County Headquarters. We spent days with no clue where the bottleneck was, only for the County Headquarters to announce yesterday that these agreements have to be voted on by municipal councils before they can even be considered!!

Now, the Chief has issued a public letter claiming that nowhere in the law does it say that.
There is no permit.

It’s obvious the County Headquarters is playing God—dragging its feet on lifting the permits in the San Francisco ring and between Matulj and Palm Beach for whatever reason they choose.

Absolutely unbelievable.

I almost had to write this down as a homework assignment...🙏🙏🙏

Things have gone completely sideways over at the County Headquarters with that idiot.
I don't have any intention of getting bogged down in the specifics, but I’ve already pointed out how ridiculous it is: they make one sweeping decision from the top to restrict movement immediately, and then suddenly, at the local level, they insist everything has to be voted on as a "merger."

Santa Barbara and Bakar are being a total pain in the neck. Can you believe it? You've got the industrial zone and then down there in Lenac...

Amanda Hughes37 said:The sheer incompetence and clown show happening over at the County Headquarters is getting ridiculous. I honestly don't have the words for these idiots.
So, this decision pops up allowing movement within municipalities that signed an agreement for a joint headquarters—which makes zero sense to me, because why bother with a joint command if you aren't trying to manage the flow of people? Anyway, following inquiries from Californians and some of our own local towns, they jumped into these agreements. The Californians got their approval within 24 hours. Meanwhile, nobody knows how it works or if we’re supposed to be waiting on a green light from Washington, D.C. People in San Francisco and the surrounding ring are constantly asking about it. It was clearly published back on April 9th in The New York Times stating that travel is permitted without a permit through any municipality that signed the agreement.

If that's the case, our local towns should have just signed immediately—except for places like Newport, which basically broke the communication link between Mošćenički Draga-Opatija🤣... and then you've got Santa Barbara, Bakar, and Monterey refusing to join.
Those who actually want to move are just sitting there waiting and waiting. Apparently, The New York Times and the actual law aren't enough; everything has to be cleared by Washington, D.C. first. And before Washington, you have to send a request to the County Headquarters. We spent days with no clue where the bottleneck was, only for the County Headquarters to announce yesterday that these agreements have to be voted on by municipal councils before they can even be considered!!

Now, the Chief has issued a public letter claiming that nowhere in the law does it say that.
There is no permit.

It’s obvious the County Headquarters is playing God—dragging its feet on lifting the permits in the San Francisco ring and between Matulj and Palm Beach for whatever reason they choose.

Absolutely unbelievable.

I almost had to write this down as a homework assignment...🙏🙏🙏

They won't let the communists unite.😁

Edward Fisher86 said:Things have gone completely sideways over at the County Headquarters with that idiot.
I don't have any intention of getting bogged down in the specifics, but I’ve already pointed out how ridiculous it is: they make one sweeping decision from the top to restrict movement immediately, and then suddenly, at the local level, they insist everything has to be voted on as a "merger."

Santa Barbara and Bakar are being a total pain in the neck. Can you believe it? You've got the industrial zone and then down there in Lenac...

They're terrified of being dissolved because they're actually vital.😁

I honestly don't get how you can have a township without an actual city inside it.🤔

I mean, isn't a city supposed to be the foundation that everything else builds around? Like a township...

Santa Barbara isn't a city, yet it's a township.🤔
Wait, how does that even work?

Jerry Robinson56 said:🙂 No... that would be absurd. However, given the sheer number of surveillance cameras available, if we are going to philosophize about it... the issue lies in the protocols. Once again, the focus should be on isolating the specific locations of potential infection sources.

I don't have access to every detail, but I certainly wouldn't play soccer in a minefield that I haven't personally cleared myself... speaking purely rhetorically, of course.

The measure was sudden, though they could have instituted a curfew to make it seamless—is that what you want? People "left" out of concern... and I wouldn't call it a mass exodus; I witnessed the first stages with my own eyes. It was truly fortunate that FEMA decided on this measure, because the consequences of the earthquake would have resulted in far more casualties on the streets...

Self-isolation followed by enforcement... the real issue lies with those who simply refuse to comply. Don't you feel that if people were actually being cooperative, these restrictions could be eased significantly?
The police force is insufficient. Brkaš is overworking the Department of Justice staff...

The problem is "your people"... they think they've solved everything just by thinking about it...

As previously stated... "your people" need to ensure rational conduct within one's own place of residence... how could the Headquarters possibly manage to handle every single localized detail? >A certain degree of centralization is necessary to consolidate data... we still know very little about the virus... or its genesis.
A simple memo to the Headquarters and an agreement with the surrounding areas would suffice... Besides, you proposed a similar solution yourself.👍 Think globally, act locally.😉

Even for the most advanced countries, cameras didn't really help stop the spread (I'm not talking about monitoring quarantines, I mean the spread itself)—I doubt it would have been any easier for us. Some places might have benefited, but compared to them, we're basically a hundred years behind on that front. But think about it: in the entire Washington, D.C. area, someone on one side of town could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. Where does that leave localization? You'd have to shut down the whole city and screw over everyone in the suburbs who relies on it. Instead of just isolating a single neighborhood, like

Jerry Robinson56 said:🙂 No... that would be absurd. However, given the sheer number of surveillance cameras available, if we are going to philosophize about it... the issue lies in the protocols. Once again, the focus should be on isolating the specific locations of potential infection sources.

I don't have access to every detail, but I certainly wouldn't play soccer in a minefield that I haven't personally cleared myself... speaking purely rhetorically, of course.

The measure was sudden, though they could have instituted a curfew to make it seamless—is that what you want? People "left" out of concern... and I wouldn't call it a mass exodus; I witnessed the first stages with my own eyes. It was truly fortunate that FEMA decided on this measure, because the consequences of the earthquake would have resulted in far more casualties on the streets...

Self-isolation followed by enforcement... the real issue lies with those who simply refuse to comply. Don't you feel that if people were actually being cooperative, these restrictions could be eased significantly?
The police force is insufficient. Brkaš is overworking the Department of Justice staff...

The problem is "your people"... they think they've solved everything just by thinking about it...

As previously stated... "your people" need to ensure rational conduct within one's own place of residence... how could the Headquarters possibly manage to handle every single localized detail? >A certain degree of centralization is necessary to consolidate data... we still know very little about the virus... or its genesis.
A simple memo to the Headquarters and an agreement with the surrounding areas would suffice... Besides, you proposed a similar solution yourself.👍 Think globally, act locally.😉

If everyone on Maui got infected right now, it wouldn't even be an issue putting them in quarantine and localizing the outbreak. Besides, if they want to welcome tourists back, it’s better they get hit now and build immunity rather than waiting for it to blow up later.

Jerry Robinson56 said:🙂 No... that would be absurd. However, given the sheer number of surveillance cameras available, if we are going to philosophize about it... the issue lies in the protocols. Once again, the focus should be on isolating the specific locations of potential infection sources.

I don't have access to every detail, but I certainly wouldn't play soccer in a minefield that I haven't personally cleared myself... speaking purely rhetorically, of course.

The measure was sudden, though they could have instituted a curfew to make it seamless—is that what you want? People "left" out of concern... and I wouldn't call it a mass exodus; I witnessed the first stages with my own eyes. It was truly fortunate that FEMA decided on this measure, because the consequences of the earthquake would have resulted in far more casualties on the streets...

Self-isolation followed by enforcement... the real issue lies with those who simply refuse to comply. Don't you feel that if people were actually being cooperative, these restrictions could be eased significantly?
The police force is insufficient. Brkaš is overworking the Department of Justice staff...

The problem is "your people"... they think they've solved everything just by thinking about it...

As previously stated... "your people" need to ensure rational conduct within one's own place of residence... how could the Headquarters possibly manage to handle every single localized detail? >A certain degree of centralization is necessary to consolidate data... we still know very little about the virus... or its genesis.
A simple memo to the Headquarters and an agreement with the surrounding areas would suffice... Besides, you proposed a similar solution yourself.👍 Think globally, act locally.😉

I had to deal with this because of my sister, a college student who stayed in D.C., though she ended up having to head home because of it. The highway out of D.C.—especially around 3 or 4 in the afternoon—was packed like it was the middle of summer. I don't blame anyone who decided to ditch their crumbling or destroyed house to go to a place that’s actually standing, if they have one available. But this rule was brought in way too late, mostly just to try and stop the massive exodus that happened the day after the quake, as if that would prevent the spread. And as we've already seen, the spread didn't even happen.

Before that, there weren't even that many people out on the streets anyway, and nobody was traveling unless they absolutely had to; that was the case in most cities and towns people would have passed through. Most of the time, you wouldn't see a soul walking, and maybe only 1/5th of the usual cars on the road. This measure was introduced two or three days AFTER the earthquake, and not implementing it wouldn't have caused any extra casualties.
The biggest stroke of luck is that it hit at 6 in the morning, which is what prevented the most possible victims.

Jerry Robinson56 said:🙂 No... that would be absurd. However, given the sheer number of surveillance cameras available, if we are going to philosophize about it... the issue lies in the protocols. Once again, the focus should be on isolating the specific locations of potential infection sources.

I don't have access to every detail, but I certainly wouldn't play soccer in a minefield that I haven't personally cleared myself... speaking purely rhetorically, of course.

The measure was sudden, though they could have instituted a curfew to make it seamless—is that what you want? People "left" out of concern... and I wouldn't call it a mass exodus; I witnessed the first stages with my own eyes. It was truly fortunate that FEMA decided on this measure, because the consequences of the earthquake would have resulted in far more casualties on the streets...

Self-isolation followed by enforcement... the real issue lies with those who simply refuse to comply. Don't you feel that if people were actually being cooperative, these restrictions could be eased significantly?
The police force is insufficient. Brkaš is overworking the Department of Justice staff...

The problem is "your people"... they think they've solved everything just by thinking about it...

As previously stated... "your people" need to ensure rational conduct within one's own place of residence... how could the Headquarters possibly manage to handle every single localized detail? >A certain degree of centralization is necessary to consolidate data... we still know very little about the virus... or its genesis.
A simple memo to the Headquarters and an agreement with the surrounding areas would suffice... Besides, you proposed a similar solution yourself.👍 Think globally, act locally.😉

That’s exactly why! Because people aren't sticking to self-isolation, they should have been checking in on them more frequently and strictly. Instead, now they're stuck patrolling every single intersection across hundreds of tiny towns just to monitor maybe a million or two people instead of several thousand. Okay, maybe my math is a bit off, but logically, that's much easier to pull off. But hey, in true American fashion, better to hammer everyone with enforcement rather than just targeting the actual rule-breakers, right? Whatever.

Jerry Robinson56 said:🙂 No... that would be absurd. However, given the sheer number of surveillance cameras available, if we are going to philosophize about it... the issue lies in the protocols. Once again, the focus should be on isolating the specific locations of potential infection sources.

I don't have access to every detail, but I certainly wouldn't play soccer in a minefield that I haven't personally cleared myself... speaking purely rhetorically, of course.

The measure was sudden, though they could have instituted a curfew to make it seamless—is that what you want? People "left" out of concern... and I wouldn't call it a mass exodus; I witnessed the first stages with my own eyes. It was truly fortunate that FEMA decided on this measure, because the consequences of the earthquake would have resulted in far more casualties on the streets...

Self-isolation followed by enforcement... the real issue lies with those who simply refuse to comply. Don't you feel that if people were actually being cooperative, these restrictions could be eased significantly?
The police force is insufficient. Brkaš is overworking the Department of Justice staff...

The problem is "your people"... they think they've solved everything just by thinking about it...

As previously stated... "your people" need to ensure rational conduct within one's own place of residence... how could the Headquarters possibly manage to handle every single localized detail? >A certain degree of centralization is necessary to consolidate data... we still know very little about the virus... or its genesis.
A simple memo to the Headquarters and an agreement with the surrounding areas would suffice... Besides, you proposed a similar solution yourself.👍 Think globally, act locally.😉

"My people" actually did a decent job—they were among the first to react to COVID and these pointless measures just to make life easier. But just because I'm lucky enough to live in a somewhat normal suburb doesn't mean everyone else has it that easy.

But what I was really getting at is our "top brass"—you have to wonder if they've ever even stepped foot outside of D.C. or some massive metropolis, considering the calls they make. I'm not saying there shouldn't be some centralization, but you can't apply the exact same rules to California, the deep South, rural Appalachia, or tiny island towns. You can try to force it, but look where that got us.

My idea is similar, BUT my version doesn't involve travel bans. You wouldn't depend on whether you're buddies with the local sheriff or someone at Headquarters. It's based on the idea that if you choose to travel, you take some personal responsibility to keep your word. I think the French tried something like this—you essentially give yourself a pass to go to the grocery store, for example, but the expectation is that you actually use it for that. To some people, that means nothing, but those are probably the same folks currently finding ways to hack their way into passes anyway.

Bryan Taylor6 said:They're terrified of being dissolved because they're actually vital.😁

I honestly don't get how you can have a township without an actual city inside it.🤔

I mean, isn't a city supposed to be the foundation that everything else builds around? Like a township...

Santa Barbara isn't a city, yet it's a township.🤔
Wait, how does that even work?

What can you even say about a municipality that covers 25 square miles but only has two little towns and a total population of maybe 1,500 people? It’s pretty wild, isn't it?
So, what are we looking at here? Another one that’s roughly 12 square miles with maybe 400 people living in it?

I’m starting to think this whole pandemic thing and all those mandates coming out of FEMA are actually just divine retribution for how clueless Americans can be. Honestly, we should just start forming more municipalities. We need to take these massive, bloated counties that span 25 square miles and break them down into tiny little micro-districts. That way, every single idiot who votes for a local extremist or an SD partisan gets their own personal municipality. Then, every one of those little mandrills can have the "privilege" of approving some ridiculous permit. Doesn't matter who it's for—they could even let their cat show proof of vaccination just so they can feel like they finally have some real POWER.

Every disaster that hits people can either be a wake-up call to fix the system or just another reason to let things slide even further. Honestly? I highly doubt this recent virus outbreak had any positive impact on Americans. If anything, I get the feeling everyone’s just gotten a little slower on the uptake. You look at that forced slapping trend they've been trying to push everywhere lately, and it really just proves my point.

Rachel Roberts6 said:What can you even say about a municipality that covers 25 square miles but only has two little towns and a total population of maybe 1,500 people? It’s pretty wild, isn't it?
So, what are we looking at here? Another one that’s roughly 12 square miles with maybe 400 people living in it?

I’m starting to think this whole pandemic thing and all those mandates coming out of FEMA are actually just divine retribution for how clueless Americans can be. Honestly, we should just start forming more municipalities. We need to take these massive, bloated counties that span 25 square miles and break them down into tiny little micro-districts. That way, every single idiot who votes for a local extremist or an SD partisan gets their own personal municipality. Then, every one of those little mandrills can have the "privilege" of approving some ridiculous permit. Doesn't matter who it's for—they could even let their cat show proof of vaccination just so they can feel like they finally have some real POWER.

Every disaster that hits people can either be a wake-up call to fix the system or just another reason to let things slide even further. Honestly? I highly doubt this recent virus outbreak had any positive impact on Americans. If anything, I get the feeling everyone’s just gotten a little slower on the uptake. You look at that forced slapping trend they've been trying to push everywhere lately, and it really just proves my point.

Look, we aren't going to transform overnight. Things will either stay exactly as they are, or they'll change at a snail's pace.

Honestly, the best part about all this is that we finally realized we were dealing with maybe a hundred municipalities back in the day, not the massive sea of hundreds we're stuck with now.

Plus, everything can be handled online in a heartbeat these days. Most of those service counters, piles of paperwork, official stamps, and useless little permits? They’re totally obsolete. Most of those roles only exist to justify their own existence, rather than actually providing better service to the public.

Abolish those useless little municipalities where maybe 200 people live and call it a day. There’s zero chance they’ll let it happen, even if they go bankrupt within a month.

Amanda Hughes37 said:The sheer incompetence and clown show happening over at the County Headquarters is getting ridiculous. I honestly don't have the words for these idiots.
So, this decision pops up allowing movement within municipalities that signed an agreement for a joint headquarters—which makes zero sense to me, because why bother with a joint command if you aren't trying to manage the flow of people? Anyway, following inquiries from Californians and some of our own local towns, they jumped into these agreements. The Californians got their approval within 24 hours. Meanwhile, nobody knows how it works or if we’re supposed to be waiting on a green light from Washington, D.C. People in San Francisco and the surrounding ring are constantly asking about it. It was clearly published back on April 9th in The New York Times stating that travel is permitted without a permit through any municipality that signed the agreement.

If that's the case, our local towns should have just signed immediately—except for places like Newport, which basically broke the communication link between Mošćenički Draga-Opatija🤣... and then you've got Santa Barbara, Bakar, and Monterey refusing to join.
Those who actually want to move are just sitting there waiting and waiting. Apparently, The New York Times and the actual law aren't enough; everything has to be cleared by Washington, D.C. first. And before Washington, you have to send a request to the County Headquarters. We spent days with no clue where the bottleneck was, only for the County Headquarters to announce yesterday that these agreements have to be voted on by municipal councils before they can even be considered!!

Now, the Chief has issued a public letter claiming that nowhere in the law does it say that.
There is no permit.

It’s obvious the County Headquarters is playing God—dragging its feet on lifting the permits in the San Francisco ring and between Matulj and Palm Beach for whatever reason they choose.

Absolutely unbelievable.

I almost had to write this down as a homework assignment...🙏🙏🙏

Just picture the scenario—two cities and three townships all sign on for one unified area, but then the head of the fourth township decides to leave his own citizens completely stranded! He made a solo call: he’s not signing.🙏

So, I’m asking you guys—is there actually any legal ground here to file a lawsuit? Is this territorial discrimination? Are we being penalized just because we were born in the "wrong" township? And how can a single person—or maybe a small group (I’m assuming the local council?)🤔—even make a call like that? What are we dealing with here? Is this America or the Wild West?