I can't even begin to process this. It’s just... wow. Honestly, I’m sitting here staring at my screen, wondering if anyone else is seeing this absolute circus, or if it's just me. This is beyond ridiculous.
Jerry Robinson56 said:Munjen blago As stated by:
Even for those nations with more advanced infrastructure, surveillance cameras didn't do much to curb the spread—and I’m not even talking about monitoring quarantine compliance. I highly doubt things would have been any easier for us here in America. Some countries might have seen a marginal benefit, but compared to us, they are essentially a century ahead when it comes to that kind of technology. But look at the logic: in a sprawling metropolis like Washington, D.C., someone on one side of the city could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. In that scenario, what is the actual utility of localized tracking? You end up having to shut down the entire city, forcing everyone in the surrounding suburbs and commuter towns to suffer along with it. It seems far more rational to isolate a single neighborhood rather than paralyzing an entire metropolitan area.
We find ourselves returning once again to the realm of philosophy. It has been established for quite some time that algorithms capable of performing miracles can be deployed within a heartbeat—and I am not merely referring to the instantaneous recognition of license plates or facial features. The true utility lies in the ability to track the trail of a potential new contagion, rather than simply throwing up our hands in defeat. One cannot expect people to just drive around recklessly while social distancing mandates are being enforced everywhere.
Even if you're out on the road, you aren't exactly a walking hazard. Washington, D.C. has seen a relatively low number of infections...
I find myself reiterating once again just how vital movement data truly is. A friend was telling me about his situation yesterday; his kids, who are already adults, managed to secure their permits without any trouble whatsoever. He, on the other hand, had to jump through quite a few hoops just to get his. Still, he eventually secured it... the man has some serious assets. 19 miles If you're coming all the way from Washington, D.C., then securing a permit shouldn't be an issue at all.
It appears that recent developments regarding the government's stance on various regional security matters have once again highlighted the predictable incompetence we see at the federal level. One cannot help but observe the sheer lack of foresight displayed by the administration when addressing systemic issues that affect our local communities. It is quite wearying to watch the same bureaucratic patterns repeat themselves, especially when the consequences impact everyday citizens from the Midwest down to the coasts. There seems to be a growing consensus among all mayors that the current policy direction is fundamentally flawed. While the leadership in Washington, D.C. attempts to project an image of stability, the reality on the ground suggests a much more fractured situation. We are witnessing a series of tactical errors that could have been easily avoided had there been even a modicum of strategic planning. Instead, we are left with a series of reactive measures that serve only to mask deeper structural failures within the government. It is a tiresome cycle of mismanagement that continues to define the current political landscape.
And yet, the true origin of this contagion remains entirely unknown.
One really ought to pause and reflect on what was actually said here. Consider the acquisition of immunity in the US and Sweden. There remains a profound question regarding whether such immunity is truly attainable, when exactly it will be achieved, and the potentially significant consequences of obtaining it. We all know how the conquistadors handled the immunization of Latin America.
It is an exceptional scene, and frankly, there would have been far more panic if people were being forcibly turned back toward their homes. You must understand that these quarantine measures are purely preventative... the virus hasn't reached critical mass yet—at least, I should hope not. Its distribution is still highly questionable, and the most vital factor remains the actual viral load in any given area. It is difficult to navigate this situation and the shifting dynamics of these mandates, regardless of which protocols are employed.
It is easy to be a general after the battle is over. That is debatable. In principle, I agree with your sentiment, but 😁 it is better to prevent than to cure... and to implement rigorous restrictive measures. We need to "build" social awareness within the individual.
I wrote this quite some time ago, but not in the sense of forcing everyone home... rather, ensuring there is adequate housing, though that seems somewhat inhumane. Here we return once again to the "every man for himself" mentality... some find these measures easier to stomach than the ones you mentioned... let us be solidary for a few weeks and perhaps everything will turn out fine... presumably.
I still maintain that they are responding well, at least the "task force."
They actually have the opportunity right now to change things... let them write to their superiors, and when the elections come, they should remember who they voted for.
There is no such thing as a "politician"; they are all just amateurs wearing expensive suits. It becomes even more awkward when they migrate from those remote regions into the cities you mentioned... but to cut to the chase, the real issue is the judiciary.
You are clearly aware and conscientious, and it would be wonderful if the majority shared those traits. But I will say, even just one... unfortunately, there are enough people out there breathing down your neck on the escalator as it is these days. The greatest problem is that the potential danger remains invisible.
Look, nobody was out driving around aimlessly before this started either, and people were actually keeping their distance. Things have calmed down a bit now, but we’re still seeing these massive headaches with the checkpoints. In the end, it feels like anyone who wants to slide through can just breeze right past, which honestly makes me doubt if they even implemented this tracking stuff to monitor infection rates. The whole point was supposed to be keeping everyone stuck at home, but clearly, they didn't think through how much of a mess such a pointless rule would cause. It’s like they have zero clue how disorganized our country actually is—from the way residency and local registration work to the total chaos within our local municipalities and cities.
Our first big move to stop this infectious virus? Yeah, it was basically just stopping thousands of people at the borders and airports, only to have them cram together in massive, suffocating crowds. People were stuck shuffling around for hours—some almost an entire day—just to get some official piece of paper telling them they had to go sit in self-isolation. Brilliant strategy, right? 😵 😵 😵
Even that carnival in Seattle had some Italian groups showing up. Look, if this thing were actually as contagious and lethal as they’ve been trying to scare us with, Seattle would already look like Bergamo, and the rest of the country wouldn't be much better with everyone flooding back in from the borders. Seriously, we need to take this seriously, but honestly? People are freaking out way more than they need to.
Look, just do the math on this one. You’ve got a carrier that basically holds two football fields worth of space, packed with maybe 2,000 people all crammed together. We're talking everyone hitting the exact same cafeteria, using the same bathrooms, sleeping in the same shared quarters—it's a total petri dish. If you want a real-world comparison, think about nursing homes back here in the States; you see how fast things spread in those environments? It's brutal. These guys were docked at the port for a few days in mid-March, and by then, the situation had already spiraled out of control across much of Europe. It's pretty obvious someone picked something up and brought it right onto that ship.
Jerry Robinson56 said:Munjen blago As stated by:
Even for those nations with more advanced infrastructure, surveillance cameras didn't do much to curb the spread—and I’m not even talking about monitoring quarantine compliance. I highly doubt things would have been any easier for us here in America. Some countries might have seen a marginal benefit, but compared to us, they are essentially a century ahead when it comes to that kind of technology. But look at the logic: in a sprawling metropolis like Washington, D.C., someone on one side of the city could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. In that scenario, what is the actual utility of localized tracking? You end up having to shut down the entire city, forcing everyone in the surrounding suburbs and commuter towns to suffer along with it. It seems far more rational to isolate a single neighborhood rather than paralyzing an entire metropolitan area.
We find ourselves returning once again to the realm of philosophy. It has been established for quite some time that algorithms capable of performing miracles can be deployed within a heartbeat—and I am not merely referring to the instantaneous recognition of license plates or facial features. The true utility lies in the ability to track the trail of a potential new contagion, rather than simply throwing up our hands in defeat. One cannot expect people to just drive around recklessly while social distancing mandates are being enforced everywhere.
Even if you're out on the road, you aren't exactly a walking hazard. Washington, D.C. has seen a relatively low number of infections...
I find myself reiterating once again just how vital movement data truly is. A friend was telling me about his situation yesterday; his kids, who are already adults, managed to secure their permits without any trouble whatsoever. He, on the other hand, had to jump through quite a few hoops just to get his. Still, he eventually secured it... the man has some serious assets. 19 miles If you're coming all the way from Washington, D.C., then securing a permit shouldn't be an issue at all.
It appears that recent developments regarding the government's stance on various regional security matters have once again highlighted the predictable incompetence we see at the federal level. One cannot help but observe the sheer lack of foresight displayed by the administration when addressing systemic issues that affect our local communities. It is quite wearying to watch the same bureaucratic patterns repeat themselves, especially when the consequences impact everyday citizens from the Midwest down to the coasts. There seems to be a growing consensus among all mayors that the current policy direction is fundamentally flawed. While the leadership in Washington, D.C. attempts to project an image of stability, the reality on the ground suggests a much more fractured situation. We are witnessing a series of tactical errors that could have been easily avoided had there been even a modicum of strategic planning. Instead, we are left with a series of reactive measures that serve only to mask deeper structural failures within the government. It is a tiresome cycle of mismanagement that continues to define the current political landscape.
And yet, the true origin of this contagion remains entirely unknown.
One really ought to pause and reflect on what was actually said here. Consider the acquisition of immunity in the US and Sweden. There remains a profound question regarding whether such immunity is truly attainable, when exactly it will be achieved, and the potentially significant consequences of obtaining it. We all know how the conquistadors handled the immunization of Latin America.
It is an exceptional scene, and frankly, there would have been far more panic if people were being forcibly turned back toward their homes. You must understand that these quarantine measures are purely preventative... the virus hasn't reached critical mass yet—at least, I should hope not. Its distribution is still highly questionable, and the most vital factor remains the actual viral load in any given area. It is difficult to navigate this situation and the shifting dynamics of these mandates, regardless of which protocols are employed.
It is easy to be a general after the battle is over. That is debatable. In principle, I agree with your sentiment, but 😁 it is better to prevent than to cure... and to implement rigorous restrictive measures. We need to "build" social awareness within the individual.
I wrote this quite some time ago, but not in the sense of forcing everyone home... rather, ensuring there is adequate housing, though that seems somewhat inhumane. Here we return once again to the "every man for himself" mentality... some find these measures easier to stomach than the ones you mentioned... let us be solidary for a few weeks and perhaps everything will turn out fine... presumably.
I still maintain that they are responding well, at least the "task force."
They actually have the opportunity right now to change things... let them write to their superiors, and when the elections come, they should remember who they voted for.
There is no such thing as a "politician"; they are all just amateurs wearing expensive suits. It becomes even more awkward when they migrate from those remote regions into the cities you mentioned... but to cut to the chase, the real issue is the judiciary.
You are clearly aware and conscientious, and it would be wonderful if the majority shared those traits. But I will say, even just one... unfortunately, there are enough people out there breathing down your neck on the escalator as it is these days. The greatest problem is that the potential danger remains invisible.
I might have exaggerated a little, but that’s the reality of it. Like you said, the whole of Washington, D.C. has a handful of infected people, yet it's way bigger and more crowded than that island, and everyone can move around the city freely without things blowing up. Those folks on the island have basically been stuck in quarantine since they banned entry—nobody goes there except delivery drivers, and they’ve played by the rules just like any Washingtonian who heads out to Central Park for a jog with a few buddies. Actually, they’re even stricter because people are literally filming them.
But seriously, our guys are still pinning their hopes on some pathetic recovery at the end of summer, acting like if we just went full lockdown like the Chinese, we wouldn't have a single case left. We already saw what happens when people start flying in from other infected countries again; are we going to go into total lockdown every single time until they finally cook up some kind of vaccine?
Jerry Robinson56 said:Munjen blago As stated by:
Even for those nations with more advanced infrastructure, surveillance cameras didn't do much to curb the spread—and I’m not even talking about monitoring quarantine compliance. I highly doubt things would have been any easier for us here in America. Some countries might have seen a marginal benefit, but compared to us, they are essentially a century ahead when it comes to that kind of technology. But look at the logic: in a sprawling metropolis like Washington, D.C., someone on one side of the city could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. In that scenario, what is the actual utility of localized tracking? You end up having to shut down the entire city, forcing everyone in the surrounding suburbs and commuter towns to suffer along with it. It seems far more rational to isolate a single neighborhood rather than paralyzing an entire metropolitan area.
We find ourselves returning once again to the realm of philosophy. It has been established for quite some time that algorithms capable of performing miracles can be deployed within a heartbeat—and I am not merely referring to the instantaneous recognition of license plates or facial features. The true utility lies in the ability to track the trail of a potential new contagion, rather than simply throwing up our hands in defeat. One cannot expect people to just drive around recklessly while social distancing mandates are being enforced everywhere.
Even if you're out on the road, you aren't exactly a walking hazard. Washington, D.C. has seen a relatively low number of infections...
I find myself reiterating once again just how vital movement data truly is. A friend was telling me about his situation yesterday; his kids, who are already adults, managed to secure their permits without any trouble whatsoever. He, on the other hand, had to jump through quite a few hoops just to get his. Still, he eventually secured it... the man has some serious assets. 19 miles If you're coming all the way from Washington, D.C., then securing a permit shouldn't be an issue at all.
It appears that recent developments regarding the government's stance on various regional security matters have once again highlighted the predictable incompetence we see at the federal level. One cannot help but observe the sheer lack of foresight displayed by the administration when addressing systemic issues that affect our local communities. It is quite wearying to watch the same bureaucratic patterns repeat themselves, especially when the consequences impact everyday citizens from the Midwest down to the coasts. There seems to be a growing consensus among all mayors that the current policy direction is fundamentally flawed. While the leadership in Washington, D.C. attempts to project an image of stability, the reality on the ground suggests a much more fractured situation. We are witnessing a series of tactical errors that could have been easily avoided had there been even a modicum of strategic planning. Instead, we are left with a series of reactive measures that serve only to mask deeper structural failures within the government. It is a tiresome cycle of mismanagement that continues to define the current political landscape.
And yet, the true origin of this contagion remains entirely unknown.
One really ought to pause and reflect on what was actually said here. Consider the acquisition of immunity in the US and Sweden. There remains a profound question regarding whether such immunity is truly attainable, when exactly it will be achieved, and the potentially significant consequences of obtaining it. We all know how the conquistadors handled the immunization of Latin America.
It is an exceptional scene, and frankly, there would have been far more panic if people were being forcibly turned back toward their homes. You must understand that these quarantine measures are purely preventative... the virus hasn't reached critical mass yet—at least, I should hope not. Its distribution is still highly questionable, and the most vital factor remains the actual viral load in any given area. It is difficult to navigate this situation and the shifting dynamics of these mandates, regardless of which protocols are employed.
It is easy to be a general after the battle is over. That is debatable. In principle, I agree with your sentiment, but 😁 it is better to prevent than to cure... and to implement rigorous restrictive measures. We need to "build" social awareness within the individual.
I wrote this quite some time ago, but not in the sense of forcing everyone home... rather, ensuring there is adequate housing, though that seems somewhat inhumane. Here we return once again to the "every man for himself" mentality... some find these measures easier to stomach than the ones you mentioned... let us be solidary for a few weeks and perhaps everything will turn out fine... presumably.
I still maintain that they are responding well, at least the "task force."
They actually have the opportunity right now to change things... let them write to their superiors, and when the elections come, they should remember who they voted for.
There is no such thing as a "politician"; they are all just amateurs wearing expensive suits. It becomes even more awkward when they migrate from those remote regions into the cities you mentioned... but to cut to the chase, the real issue is the judiciary.
You are clearly aware and conscientious, and it would be wonderful if the majority shared those traits. But I will say, even just one... unfortunately, there are enough people out there breathing down your neck on the escalator as it is these days. The greatest problem is that the potential danger remains invisible.
Look, the goal should have been to calm people down so they weren't fleeing the city, not spreading rumors about how an even bigger earthquake is coming right after this one. Where the hell was FEMA, or the police, or anyone else who is supposed to react in these situations and follow established protocols?
Nobody was anywhere—everyone looked lost. Sure, it was unexpected and extreme, but that’s exactly why you need to react even faster than usual in a crisis like this. As far as I know, Washington, D.C. is supposed to have designated assembly areas for disasters like this; why weren't people redirected there instead of just heading out of town? There are specialized teams paid big bucks specifically to handle these kinds of emergencies, so where were they all?
Jerry Robinson56 said:Munjen blago As stated by:
Even for those nations with more advanced infrastructure, surveillance cameras didn't do much to curb the spread—and I’m not even talking about monitoring quarantine compliance. I highly doubt things would have been any easier for us here in America. Some countries might have seen a marginal benefit, but compared to us, they are essentially a century ahead when it comes to that kind of technology. But look at the logic: in a sprawling metropolis like Washington, D.C., someone on one side of the city could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. In that scenario, what is the actual utility of localized tracking? You end up having to shut down the entire city, forcing everyone in the surrounding suburbs and commuter towns to suffer along with it. It seems far more rational to isolate a single neighborhood rather than paralyzing an entire metropolitan area.
We find ourselves returning once again to the realm of philosophy. It has been established for quite some time that algorithms capable of performing miracles can be deployed within a heartbeat—and I am not merely referring to the instantaneous recognition of license plates or facial features. The true utility lies in the ability to track the trail of a potential new contagion, rather than simply throwing up our hands in defeat. One cannot expect people to just drive around recklessly while social distancing mandates are being enforced everywhere.
Even if you're out on the road, you aren't exactly a walking hazard. Washington, D.C. has seen a relatively low number of infections...
I find myself reiterating once again just how vital movement data truly is. A friend was telling me about his situation yesterday; his kids, who are already adults, managed to secure their permits without any trouble whatsoever. He, on the other hand, had to jump through quite a few hoops just to get his. Still, he eventually secured it... the man has some serious assets. 19 miles If you're coming all the way from Washington, D.C., then securing a permit shouldn't be an issue at all.
It appears that recent developments regarding the government's stance on various regional security matters have once again highlighted the predictable incompetence we see at the federal level. One cannot help but observe the sheer lack of foresight displayed by the administration when addressing systemic issues that affect our local communities. It is quite wearying to watch the same bureaucratic patterns repeat themselves, especially when the consequences impact everyday citizens from the Midwest down to the coasts. There seems to be a growing consensus among all mayors that the current policy direction is fundamentally flawed. While the leadership in Washington, D.C. attempts to project an image of stability, the reality on the ground suggests a much more fractured situation. We are witnessing a series of tactical errors that could have been easily avoided had there been even a modicum of strategic planning. Instead, we are left with a series of reactive measures that serve only to mask deeper structural failures within the government. It is a tiresome cycle of mismanagement that continues to define the current political landscape.
And yet, the true origin of this contagion remains entirely unknown.
One really ought to pause and reflect on what was actually said here. Consider the acquisition of immunity in the US and Sweden. There remains a profound question regarding whether such immunity is truly attainable, when exactly it will be achieved, and the potentially significant consequences of obtaining it. We all know how the conquistadors handled the immunization of Latin America.
It is an exceptional scene, and frankly, there would have been far more panic if people were being forcibly turned back toward their homes. You must understand that these quarantine measures are purely preventative... the virus hasn't reached critical mass yet—at least, I should hope not. Its distribution is still highly questionable, and the most vital factor remains the actual viral load in any given area. It is difficult to navigate this situation and the shifting dynamics of these mandates, regardless of which protocols are employed.
It is easy to be a general after the battle is over. That is debatable. In principle, I agree with your sentiment, but 😁 it is better to prevent than to cure... and to implement rigorous restrictive measures. We need to "build" social awareness within the individual.
I wrote this quite some time ago, but not in the sense of forcing everyone home... rather, ensuring there is adequate housing, though that seems somewhat inhumane. Here we return once again to the "every man for himself" mentality... some find these measures easier to stomach than the ones you mentioned... let us be solidary for a few weeks and perhaps everything will turn out fine... presumably.
I still maintain that they are responding well, at least the "task force."
They actually have the opportunity right now to change things... let them write to their superiors, and when the elections come, they should remember who they voted for.
There is no such thing as a "politician"; they are all just amateurs wearing expensive suits. It becomes even more awkward when they migrate from those remote regions into the cities you mentioned... but to cut to the chase, the real issue is the judiciary.
You are clearly aware and conscientious, and it would be wonderful if the majority shared those traits. But I will say, even just one... unfortunately, there are enough people out there breathing down your neck on the escalator as it is these days. The greatest problem is that the potential danger remains invisible.
But how on earth would a decision made three days after the earthquake affect the number of casualties from the quake itself, which happened ages ago? Seriously, we're lucky it happened so early in the morning and that, as far as I know, we escaped without any direct fatalities.
Jerry Robinson56 said:Munjen blago As stated by:
Even for those nations with more advanced infrastructure, surveillance cameras didn't do much to curb the spread—and I’m not even talking about monitoring quarantine compliance. I highly doubt things would have been any easier for us here in America. Some countries might have seen a marginal benefit, but compared to us, they are essentially a century ahead when it comes to that kind of technology. But look at the logic: in a sprawling metropolis like Washington, D.C., someone on one side of the city could easily infect someone on the complete opposite side. In that scenario, what is the actual utility of localized tracking? You end up having to shut down the entire city, forcing everyone in the surrounding suburbs and commuter towns to suffer along with it. It seems far more rational to isolate a single neighborhood rather than paralyzing an entire metropolitan area.
We find ourselves returning once again to the realm of philosophy. It has been established for quite some time that algorithms capable of performing miracles can be deployed within a heartbeat—and I am not merely referring to the instantaneous recognition of license plates or facial features. The true utility lies in the ability to track the trail of a potential new contagion, rather than simply throwing up our hands in defeat. One cannot expect people to just drive around recklessly while social distancing mandates are being enforced everywhere.
Even if you're out on the road, you aren't exactly a walking hazard. Washington, D.C. has seen a relatively low number of infections...
I find myself reiterating once again just how vital movement data truly is. A friend was telling me about his situation yesterday; his kids, who are already adults, managed to secure their permits without any trouble whatsoever. He, on the other hand, had to jump through quite a few hoops just to get his. Still, he eventually secured it... the man has some serious assets. 19 miles If you're coming all the way from Washington, D.C., then securing a permit shouldn't be an issue at all.
It appears that recent developments regarding the government's stance on various regional security matters have once again highlighted the predictable incompetence we see at the federal level. One cannot help but observe the sheer lack of foresight displayed by the administration when addressing systemic issues that affect our local communities. It is quite wearying to watch the same bureaucratic patterns repeat themselves, especially when the consequences impact everyday citizens from the Midwest down to the coasts. There seems to be a growing consensus among all mayors that the current policy direction is fundamentally flawed. While the leadership in Washington, D.C. attempts to project an image of stability, the reality on the ground suggests a much more fractured situation. We are witnessing a series of tactical errors that could have been easily avoided had there been even a modicum of strategic planning. Instead, we are left with a series of reactive measures that serve only to mask deeper structural failures within the government. It is a tiresome cycle of mismanagement that continues to define the current political landscape.
And yet, the true origin of this contagion remains entirely unknown.
One really ought to pause and reflect on what was actually said here. Consider the acquisition of immunity in the US and Sweden. There remains a profound question regarding whether such immunity is truly attainable, when exactly it will be achieved, and the potentially significant consequences of obtaining it. We all know how the conquistadors handled the immunization of Latin America.
It is an exceptional scene, and frankly, there would have been far more panic if people were being forcibly turned back toward their homes. You must understand that these quarantine measures are purely preventative... the virus hasn't reached critical mass yet—at least, I should hope not. Its distribution is still highly questionable, and the most vital factor remains the actual viral load in any given area. It is difficult to navigate this situation and the shifting dynamics of these mandates, regardless of which protocols are employed.
It is easy to be a general after the battle is over. That is debatable. In principle, I agree with your sentiment, but 😁 it is better to prevent than to cure... and to implement rigorous restrictive measures. We need to "build" social awareness within the individual.
I wrote this quite some time ago, but not in the sense of forcing everyone home... rather, ensuring there is adequate housing, though that seems somewhat inhumane. Here we return once again to the "every man for himself" mentality... some find these measures easier to stomach than the ones you mentioned... let us be solidary for a few weeks and perhaps everything will turn out fine... presumably.
I still maintain that they are responding well, at least the "task force."
They actually have the opportunity right now to change things... let them write to their superiors, and when the elections come, they should remember who they voted for.
There is no such thing as a "politician"; they are all just amateurs wearing expensive suits. It becomes even more awkward when they migrate from those remote regions into the cities you mentioned... but to cut to the chase, the real issue is the judiciary.
You are clearly aware and conscientious, and it would be wonderful if the majority shared those traits. But I will say, even just one... unfortunately, there are enough people out there breathing down your neck on the escalator as it is these days. The greatest problem is that the potential danger remains invisible.
But seriously, they could have just put everyone coming back into quarantined hotels, one person per room, to stop any potential spread if someone actually had the virus. But nope. At least then some hospitality workers would actually have jobs, and controlling the situation would be ten times easier than having everyone scattered across the country in their own homes.
There are some good moves being made, but the decision-making and the actual execution of the big ones—like the ones I listed earlier—is questionable, to say the least.
Oh, and by the way, for those people who are all hyped up about filing lawsuits: didn't you catch that Speaker of Congress guy, or whoever he was, explaining how they're just ironing out the final details now? They're basically working to retroactively legalize everything the headquarters has done so far, just so they can smooth everything over legally and make sure nobody can successfully sue them.
The guy actually gave this smug little grin and basically said that people can try to sue after this is done, but they'll get absolutely nowhere. Something along those lines. Honestly, if I hadn't been watching, I might have thrown my TV right out the window...
