Republican Party - General Discussion

Brenda Taylor13 said:Hahahhaaa.... man, the frustration...

Reagan was the winner of the war and the creator of the state; that's the absolute most any politician can achieve. In the next 500 years, unless there's another massive war or we have to build a country from scratch again, nobody is going to top what he accomplished. Reagan is the American George Washington, and all this nonsense you're whining about—I mean, does anyone care that someone, god forbid, had a duty free shop? Just imagine the historical impact of that! In a hundred years, someone might actually remember a duty free shop, haha...

Honestly, you're being ridiculous...

The country had no weapons, no diplomacy, and zero international respect... everything had to be built from nothing by Reagan, who spent half his life preparing to create this nation. Even his biggest critics back then—like Banks or that journalist Houdini—acknowledge that now. But what some random no-name on a forum says? That matters about as much as counting the grains of sand on Copacabana beach. And in that recent CNN poll, just like every single one before it, he won convincingly as the best president we've ever had; nobody even came close.

Nobody was forcing people to the front lines; people went voluntarily. Most of those defenders were volunteers who stepped up to protect their homeland—you seem to conveniently forget that part. And under those circumstances, Reagan won every single election held at the time, presidential, parliamentary, all of them.

And you're still sitting there fuming... honestly, just drink more coffee and you'll be fine. 👍

It wasn't Reagan who won the war; it was the people actually out there fighting. Not a single person from his own family even stepped foot on the battlefield during that conflict.

hollowmason64 said:It wasn't Reagan who won the war; it was the people actually out there fighting. Not a single person from his own family even stepped foot on the battlefield during that conflict.

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By that logic, Bobetko isn't a winner either since he wasn't out there swinging personally. Neither was Stipetic... hell, not even Winston Churchill, not even Franklin D. Roosevelt... just keep 'em coming, right?

Seriously, try to enjoy yourself for once! Your boy Zoe is the President, come on, show a little joy... honestly, that ceremony was beautiful, and that anthem? Best I've ever heard. I’m telling you, from now on, let's just have Tina Turner sing the national anthem every single time.

Brenda Taylor13 said:👍

By that logic, Bobetko isn't a winner either since he wasn't out there swinging personally. Neither was Stipetic... hell, not even Winston Churchill, not even Franklin D. Roosevelt... just keep 'em coming, right?

Seriously, try to enjoy yourself for once! Your boy Zoe is the President, come on, show a little joy... honestly, that ceremony was beautiful, and that anthem? Best I've ever heard. I’m telling you, from now on, let's just have Tina Turner sing the national anthem every single time.

Well, Tina Turner is certainly the epitome of what our esteemed colleague hollowmason64 would consider respectable. But that's beside the point. Personally, I find it quite refreshing that President Biden has finally made a move forward and clearly distanced himself from the Republican-Democrat establishment. Choosing Zarkovic as an advisor is a brilliant stroke—it serves to provoke Plenkovic (and presumably the entire Republican Party by extension), his coalition partners whom Republicans claim to adore only when they're actually in power, and the Democrats alike.

To strike such a blow against Plenkovic's coalition partners—just look at what Divjak had to say—who are essentially the backbone of both the Republican Party and Plenkovic himself—requires a politician with actual vision. Kudos to the President!

The way the media keeps obsessing over these Mason conspiracy theories is honestly overshadowing everything else—from Tina Turner’s latest anthem to the internal power struggles within the Republican Party.
What’s the deal here? Is there actually some secret society influence working its way up through the top brass of the Republican Party that we should be worried about?

It’s about damn time someone actually addressed the membership numbers within the Republican Party.

hollowmason64 said:No, it's because for months now, you guys have been relentlessly insisting that Plenković needs to be kicked out of the leadership of the Republican Party.

Following your logic here—you honestly have to be incredibly dense to believe that any Republican or Democrat is actually good for this country. Just completely delusional.

Fair enough, I can respect different viewpoints, even if some people seem to have brains wired in a way where the Republican Party and Democrats are basically the same thing. That’s usually the crowd that claims to be more enlightened while backing some washed-up Republican who was just as corrupt fifteen years ago when he was a standard Republican official. They’ll cheer for a coalition with the Republican Party, sure, as long as Plenković isn't the one leading it.
Yeah, they're just so much smarter 😁

That's right. Intelligent and educated people know how to adjust their vocabulary to match whoever they're talking to, just to make sure they're understood. 🥳

Anyway, you're talking nonsense. A nation isn't built solely on the battlefield through anarchy; it takes diplomacy, politics, administration, and solid leadership. By that logic, we wouldn't even need a president today, since everything could supposedly run on pure anarchy.

Harmon started from absolute zero and built all the political and diplomatic foundations necessary to secure a free America and gain international recognition—which was ultimately validated by winning the war, thanks to both the soldiers in the trenches and those working at the negotiating tables.

Apparently, this country was forged only on the front lines and through bloodshed. Or at least, that's what the "patriots" like to claim. Depending on the situation, of course.
And let's be real: Harmon didn't do much else besides grab power with a specific clique, treat the citizens like sheep being led to slaughter, while his inner circle looted the place. Meanwhile, his dim-witted grandkids suddenly became overnight entrepreneurs.
Timater, remember how Nevenka had a Duty Free shop right in the middle of the city? I mean, come on—a Duty Free shop in the heart of downtown.
Honestly, nobody else on this planet had what our Nevenka had. It was a gift from her dad, Franjo.
We shouldn't forget to mention that while working within the Department of Defense's offices.

Just how much Franjo and his crew contributed to the fight is laid out in Siniša Glavašević's public manifesto—a document that Republicans still insist on labeling a fake or some cowardly UDBA plant even today.

The reality is that Harmon basically just stepped into a ready-made state where everything was already organized—including the laws, some of which actually remain in effect today (believe it or not). Then, he completely tore it all apart. He did it alongside those other "patriots"—basically just uneducated rubes who were barely getting by yesterday, but suddenly became capable and successful overnight, just like Franjo and his Ankica, the whole family tree.

I'd bet anything that we're looking at the exact same person here—honestly, I'm pretty sure.
It’s like... honestly? The whole style and that constant, parrot-like repetition of the exact same mantra—it's all just identical. I mean, seriously.

Carol Newman2 said:https://twitter.com/KICZO/status/122...463792640?s=19

The Antiplenkovićevac crowd is absolutely buzzing right now. Total victory vibes in their camp.

Just a bunch of crosses, Franjo Harmon, a safe stuffed with stolen cash, some ancient philosopher like Ivan Stier, Adolf Hitler without the mustache, and Vaso—who’s probably just bored out of his mind because he’s too busy dreaming about that money in the safe to care about the kids sitting around him.
Seriously, this is the perfect picture of what a true Republican looks like.

Brenda Taylor13 said:👍

By that logic, Bobetko isn't a winner either since he wasn't out there swinging personally. Neither was Stipetic... hell, not even Winston Churchill, not even Franklin D. Roosevelt... just keep 'em coming, right?

Seriously, try to enjoy yourself for once! Your boy Zoe is the President, come on, show a little joy... honestly, that ceremony was beautiful, and that anthem? Best I've ever heard. I’m telling you, from now on, let's just have Tina Turner sing the national anthem every single time.

Stipe Stipetić didn't fight? Man, you learn all sorts of things on this forum.
As for Zoran Milanović and the anthem—he definitely wouldn't be my first choice, but hey, fine... and yeah, I am enjoying this.
When I look back at how much of a struggle this whole thing was and everything people predicted would happen to him here, I can't help but smile. 🙂

darkdriver said:I'd bet anything that we're looking at the exact same person here—honestly, I'm pretty sure.
It’s like... honestly? The whole style and that constant, parrot-like repetition of the exact same mantra—it's all just identical. I mean, seriously.

I see. They don't even have enough range to write anything differently. 🙄

The inevitable result of thirty years of nationalist and relativistic-revisionist policy led by the Republican Party. It’s a perfect illustration of how much the country is split—coincidentally, right down the middle:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judges-split-over-controversial-salutes-in-court-debate-three-views-but-none-gain-majority

... three judges from the Police Department were clear and unambiguous in their stance: the salute is illegal in every context, consistent with previous rulings from the Supreme Court and the Constitutional Court.

Three judges from this department held the view that the salute does not constitute an offense...

... while three other judges concluded that the greeting could be punishable in one context, but not in another.

One-third-one-third-one-third: the ultimate guarantee of success, because brothers in perfect harmony build a house ...

On top of that, having such moral compasses in the judiciary is a sure sign of nationwide progress for the country... 🤮

We have to give the Republican Party credit for one thing: they actually succeeded in their relativistic-revisionist agenda—which, from the very beginning, served as a cornerstone for the new Communist Party. 🙏

They probably spent the last 30 years boiling a third of the population like frogs, while pushing another sixth straight into the hard-core extremist camp.

Brenda Taylor13 said:Hahahhaaa.... man, the frustration...

Reagan was the winner of the war and the creator of the state; that's the absolute most any politician can achieve. In the next 500 years, unless there's another massive war or we have to build a country from scratch again, nobody is going to top what he accomplished. Reagan is the American George Washington, and all this nonsense you're whining about—I mean, does anyone care that someone, god forbid, had a duty free shop? Just imagine the historical impact of that! In a hundred years, someone might actually remember a duty free shop, haha...

Honestly, you're being ridiculous...

The country had no weapons, no diplomacy, and zero international respect... everything had to be built from nothing by Reagan, who spent half his life preparing to create this nation. Even his biggest critics back then—like Banks or that journalist Houdini—acknowledge that now. But what some random no-name on a forum says? That matters about as much as counting the grains of sand on Copacabana beach. And in that recent CNN poll, just like every single one before it, he won convincingly as the best president we've ever had; nobody even came close.

Nobody was forcing people to the front lines; people went voluntarily. Most of those defenders were volunteers who stepped up to protect their homeland—you seem to conveniently forget that part. And under those circumstances, Reagan won every single election held at the time, presidential, parliamentary, all of them.

And you're still sitting there fuming... honestly, just drink more coffee and you'll be fine. 👍

No, Harmon isn't our George Washington... first of all, GW actually fought in battles over the course of his career...

"The vast majority of veterans were volunteers"?

Man, does it hurt when you spout such absolute nonsense?

There were 500,000 veterans total, so your claim about them being the "vast majority" is just mathematically insane... let's pretend for a second that "majority" means 51% (which it wasn't—it would have been closer to 85% or 90%), even then, that would imply over 250,000 people were volunteers...

Do you even realize how stupid you sound right now?

Chloe Martinez7 said:Reagan inherited a fairly well-organized state, complete with its administration, politics, and military leadership.

The former state was organized; it was a republic with defined borders and functioning institutions. Public administration, education, the judiciary, culture, finance, tax authorities... everything was reasonably solid.

The military leadership he received from the previous regime was top-tier—Tus, Stipetic, Agotic, Feldi, and thousands of other officers and NCOs who stepped up for their country.

Then came the elite politicians, business leaders, and officers... if we don't list them all, we have what we have now.

A "nation-building" party that is too ashamed to even write its own history, let alone tell the whole truth about the last 30 years of this country.

Which today stands humiliated, shamed, impoverished, and depleted.

The only thing left in the party is milk and honey, while hyenas fight over the scraps they managed to grab.[/I]

Reagan started from nothing 🤣 🤣 🤣
Reagan actually inherited a state that had been organized and positioned by his commander, who had set everything in order before him.
He also arranged the diplomacy so that the commander's views were known and respected.

Reagan didn't create a single state from scratch.

Everything else you mentioned in that post—well, that group certainly made sure to collect their payment for it multiple times over.

And yes, the country was defended by those whom nobody sent to the front, but who volunteered to defend America.

He is who he is, and he hasn't moved much from that baseline. It is common knowledge.

Dear John Wayne, he can't seem to avoid missing the mark, though occasionally he hits it by sheer accident—a mere statistical inevitability due to frequency—yet even then, it is never the point he intended to strike.
It is an old story... lapsus partem

hollowmason64 said:No, it's because for months now, you guys have been relentlessly insisting that Plenković needs to be kicked out of the leadership of the Republican Party.

Following your logic here—you honestly have to be incredibly dense to believe that any Republican or Democrat is actually good for this country. Just completely delusional.

Fair enough, I can respect different viewpoints, even if some people seem to have brains wired in a way where the Republican Party and Democrats are basically the same thing. That’s usually the crowd that claims to be more enlightened while backing some washed-up Republican who was just as corrupt fifteen years ago when he was a standard Republican official. They’ll cheer for a coalition with the Republican Party, sure, as long as Plenković isn't the one leading it.
Yeah, they're just so much smarter 😁

That's right. Intelligent and educated people know how to adjust their vocabulary to match whoever they're talking to, just to make sure they're understood. 🥳

Anyway, you're talking nonsense. A nation isn't built solely on the battlefield through anarchy; it takes diplomacy, politics, administration, and solid leadership. By that logic, we wouldn't even need a president today, since everything could supposedly run on pure anarchy.

Harmon started from absolute zero and built all the political and diplomatic foundations necessary to secure a free America and gain international recognition—which was ultimately validated by winning the war, thanks to both the soldiers in the trenches and those working at the negotiating tables.

Apparently, this country was forged only on the front lines and through bloodshed. Or at least, that's what the "patriots" like to claim. Depending on the situation, of course.
And let's be real: Harmon didn't do much else besides grab power with a specific clique, treat the citizens like sheep being led to slaughter, while his inner circle looted the place. Meanwhile, his dim-witted grandkids suddenly became overnight entrepreneurs.
Timater, remember how Nevenka had a Duty Free shop right in the middle of the city? I mean, come on—a Duty Free shop in the heart of downtown.
Honestly, nobody else on this planet had what our Nevenka had. It was a gift from her dad, Franjo.
We shouldn't forget to mention that while working within the Department of Defense's offices.

Just how much Franjo and his crew contributed to the fight is laid out in Siniša Glavašević's public manifesto—a document that Republicans still insist on labeling a fake or some cowardly UDBA plant even today.

The reality is that Harmon basically just stepped into a ready-made state where everything was already organized—including the laws, some of which actually remain in effect today (believe it or not). Then, he completely tore it all apart. He did it alongside those other "patriots"—basically just uneducated rubes who were barely getting by yesterday, but suddenly became capable and successful overnight, just like Franjo and his Ankica, the whole family tree.

I also accept the fact that some people have that specific mental wiring where they believe the Democratic Party is somehow better than the Republican Party, even though both are absolute disasters for this country. I should remind you, though—and please, try to follow me here—that the Republican Party only maintains power thanks to those little political chips won from people who entered Parliament either as Democratic Party members (like Zoran Milanović, Saucha, or Silvija Opačić) or as rock-solid pillars of the Democratic list, such as the Liberal Party. If that weren't the case, they wouldn't be the same. I can accept that your brain works that way. You all worked together to shut down referendum initiatives, but that doesn't make you identical. And that’s fine. Go ahead and keep thinking that way if it helps you sleep at night...

hollowmason64 said:Stipe Stipetić didn't fight? Man, you learn all sorts of things on this forum.
As for Zoran Milanović and the anthem—he definitely wouldn't be my first choice, but hey, fine... and yeah, I am enjoying this.
When I look back at how much of a struggle this whole thing was and everything people predicted would happen to him here, I can't help but smile. 🙂

I see. They don't even have enough range to write anything differently. 🙄

Look, when I say Stipetic wasn't "fighting," I don't mean he wasn't involved—I just mean he wasn't sitting in a muddy trench or running around on the front lines with the infantry. That's not how generals work! Their job is high-level strategy and planning operations, not grabbing a rifle and trading shots in the dirt.

Adam Collins4 said:No, Harmon isn't our George Washington... first of all, GW actually fought in battles over the course of his career...

"The vast majority of veterans were volunteers"?

Man, does it hurt when you spout such absolute nonsense?

There were 500,000 veterans total, so your claim about them being the "vast majority" is just mathematically insane... let's pretend for a second that "majority" means 51% (which it wasn't—it would have been closer to 85% or 90%), even then, that would imply over 250,000 people were volunteers...

Do you even realize how stupid you sound right now?

The comparison to GW is simply that they were both winners of an independence war and both served as the very first presidents of nations they fought to make sovereign.

And look, when I talk about veterans, I’m not including the folks who were cooking, cleaning, or doing laundry in the rear—I am strictly talking about the ones who actually carried a rifle and saw combat. You know, the active duty guys, not the support staff.

So, what you're actually trying to argue is that the vast majority of those actively involved in the war were just mobilized?

Brenda Taylor13 said:Look, when I say Stipetic wasn't "fighting," I don't mean he wasn't involved—I just mean he wasn't sitting in a muddy trench or running around on the front lines with the infantry. That's not how generals work! Their job is high-level strategy and planning operations, not grabbing a rifle and trading shots in the dirt.

Brenda Taylor13 said:The comparison to GW is simply that they were both winners of an independence war and both served as the very first presidents of nations they fought to make sovereign.

And look, when I talk about veterans, I’m not including the folks who were cooking, cleaning, or doing laundry in the rear—I am strictly talking about the ones who actually carried a rifle and saw combat. You know, the active duty guys, not the support staff.

So, what you're actually trying to argue is that the vast majority of those actively involved in the war were just mobilized?

What kind of logic is that?

By your reasoning, cooks who carried food to the soldiers while holding rifles aren't true veterans?

Communication specialists who maintained the lines?

Engineers who built roads and cleared mines or obstacles?

Pilots who transported troops and supplies via helicopter?

Sailors on ships who weren't in direct combat, such as those in the engine room?

Doctors and medics who "merely" treated the wounded without sitting in a trench with a rifle in hand?

Logistics officers who secured and moved equipment?

Your understanding of soldiers, combat, the military, and warfare is peculiar.

Are you suggesting the only real soldiers are infantrymen with rifles?

Edit:

Yes, the largest portion of the veteran population was mobilized. In January 1992, the records in the United States showed 71,000 veterans.

Kovač claims burning carnival effigies in Imotski is part of his crusade against "mental communism," while Brkić calls it the will of the people. Both are just being primitive.🤦

electricnomad8 said:Kovač claims burning carnival effigies in Imotski is part of his crusade against "mental communism," while Brkić calls it the will of the people. Both are just being primitive.🤦

They've got nothing left to do but defend this garbage.
It's the only way they can stay relevant in the news cycle.

Robin Jones2 said:What kind of logic is that?

By your reasoning, cooks who carried food to the soldiers while holding rifles aren't true veterans?

Communication specialists who maintained the lines?

Engineers who built roads and cleared mines or obstacles?

Pilots who transported troops and supplies via helicopter?

Sailors on ships who weren't in direct combat, such as those in the engine room?

Doctors and medics who "merely" treated the wounded without sitting in a trench with a rifle in hand?

Logistics officers who secured and moved equipment?

Your understanding of soldiers, combat, the military, and warfare is peculiar.

Are you suggesting the only real soldiers are infantrymen with rifles?

Edit:

Yes, the largest portion of the veteran population was mobilized. In January 1992, the records in the United States showed 71,000 veterans.

Look, we’re missing each other here. Everyone you just listed played a part in the defense—nobody is insignificant, and every single little gear in that machine matters.

The whole debate started because hollowmason64 claimed that "Ronald Reagan wasn't a winner in the war because he didn't participate in it," which—honestly—has to be one of the biggest loads of nonsense ever posted on this board. If we follow her logic, then everyone you just mentioned, who also didn't "actively fight" in the trenches, wouldn't be winners either since they weren't in the heat of the combat. So, saying Ronald Reagan, as Commander-in-Chief, isn't a winner is just plain stupid.

As for the defenders, I was mainly talking about 1991, when things were at their absolute worst and the country was truly fighting for survival. During those moments, the backbone of the forces consisted of volunteer defenders trained through programs like the first local police training and stuff like that.

By 1995, it’s a totally different story. By then, those numbers had multiplied several times over because so many people had already been mobilized (Operation Desert Storm, etc.), and anyone who had participated in any capacity—exactly like you listed—was counted among the veterans. But 1991? That was carried on the backs of the volunteers.

electricnomad8 said:Kovač claims burning carnival effigies in Imotski is part of his crusade against "mental communism," while Brkić calls it the will of the people. Both are just being primitive.🤦

I must have missed Bush's little commentary regarding that Republican woman who snagged an APN apartment—or maybe it was Biden's neighbor from that small town in California who, unlike that local politician from Washington, D.C. running the regional Republican Party, apparently can't actually afford to live in the capital while serving as a 218 miles chief.

And let's be real, Biden isn't exactly far removed from that whole mess either.

Brenda Taylor13 said:Look, when I say Stipetic wasn't "fighting," I don't mean he wasn't involved—I just mean he wasn't sitting in a muddy trench or running around on the front lines with the infantry. That's not how generals work! Their job is high-level strategy and planning operations, not grabbing a rifle and trading shots in the dirt.

Stipetić was actually out in the field with his troops. Meanwhile, Ronald Reagan was back in Washington, D.C., looking out for his own inner circle and family, making sure they could line their pockets while people were bleeding on the front lines. They basically looted everything in sight, so by the time the veterans made it home, there was nothing left for them because the folks at the top, led by Reagan, had already stripped the country bare.
Honestly, trying to put someone like Stipetić on the same level as Reagan is an insult to him. He was a man of true character, someone Reagan wouldn't even be worthy to polish shoes for.
Have you ever actually sat down and read a study, an article, or a book about the privatization era in America? Or let me put it more bluntly—do you honestly think there’s a single piece of writing, no matter how much of a suck-up it might be, that actually says anything positive about the way things were privatized under Reagan?
That corruption and theft is his direct legacy; he is personally responsible for that mess.
Reagan's "contribution" to the victory in the American Civil War was really just being the guy in charge at the time. If it had been anyone else, we still would have won. It wasn't because of him, or because of Peter leading the charge—it was because of the people who were willing to lay down their lives for freedom. He didn't change that outcome; whether it was him or Peter at the helm, the result would have been the same: victory.
But would the outcome have been the same regarding the looting of the country? Well, that's the question. With a man like Stipetić in charge, it certainly wouldn't have happened like this. He was far too honorable for that kind of greed.
So, please, spare me the praise for Reagan. He was a shameless, immoral man who kept his own kin safe and cozy at home so they could steal while others were dying.