Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
Man, you still haven't grasped the basics, like the difference between subjective and objective. You're just talking nonsense. There is no dog? No apple? The objective existence of a dog or an apple has absolutely nothing to do with your subjectivity. If you imagine some imaginary dog-unicorn in your head, that doesn't make it real. Also, a real dog and its existence have zero connection to your subjectivity, your definitions, your perception, or how you understand things. A wine bottle doesn't need to "know" it's a bottle to exist, just like you don't need to know it either, and neither does any other individual or group. When it exists, it just exists. It isn't dependent on you or your subjective perception, which has zero impact on that bottle. What kind of fantasy are you peddling here? Are you high, or are you just totally disconnected from the real world? Or is this like how Christians hope for heaven—you're just hoping for an escape from some illusory world?
Not to mention, when a person is asleep and not dreaming, they aren't having thoughts or concepts, but they still exist just fine, just like the universe still exists during that time😁
Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
Reality has nothing to do with your interpretation. Reality is one thing, and your interpretation is something else entirely. Even if you (and your mind) didn't exist, reality would still be right there. The whole universe exists and is real regardless of whether you're around to see it or not, believe it or not.
Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
You didn't really clear anything up, man. You just laid out your own dogmas and these super vague claims that honestly don't hold water once you look at them through any actual philosophical lens or even basic logic. It feels like you’re just leaning on stuff you believe in without having any real evidence or solid arguments to back it up. So, come on—give me just one single shred of proof, a decent argument, or even a hint of something that suggests the universe isn't exactly as "real" as you seem to think it is.
Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
But honestly, the biggest issue is how you just keep overthinking everything. You’re constantly trying to spin these deep, broken philosophical excuses for even the most basic stuff—like we were already talking about. I mean, seriously? Subjectivity vs. objectivity, imagination versus reality, relativity versus the absolute... you're making simple things way more complicated than they need to be.
Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
Look, the thing is, reality doesn't care if you're ready for it or not. You can sit there clinging to whatever dogmas you want, acting like the world isn't actually happening around you, but those beliefs don't mean squat once you step outside. It’s like when I was walking down a street in Chicago last year and tripped over a curb—suddenly, that hard concrete becomes very, very real. If a brick hits you in the face, that's about as much proof as you'll ever need that the universe is definitely real and it definitely exists.
Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
Take a look at that stuff above regarding the brickwork to get things started, along with all the other points people have been throwing out there.
Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
Man, you’re just proving once again that when you run out of actual points, you just resort to insults. Not a single one of your posts can go by without you getting nasty. It’s like you never learned how to actually have a decent, civilized debate...
Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
Maybe try reading more carefully and working on your logic, then you might actually see the point in some of my posts. I can't really help you there, especially since you're being so arrogant and rude—you should probably start by fixing that attitude. Honestly, you're the only one sounding frustrated and nonsensical here; your posts basically scream it. Or are you just seeing things that aren't there and living in a fantasy world?
Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
Work on your deductive reasoning. Quality matters way more than quantity, which is pretty obvious from what you just wrote, since you didn't actually say anything meaningful or concrete.
Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
I don't even think that. That's just your take. The sentence was "You don't understand basic concepts like an objective bottle of wine versus your own concept of a bottle of wine and how you perceive it." I didn't say "You don't understand basic concepts like the
concept of an objective bottle of wine versus your own concept..." like you wrongly concluded while trying to act smart.
But since you brought it up, "objective concept" is an actual term, but let's not get sidetracked. At least now you know the term exists and how people actually use it. 😁
Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
It's pretty clear who's losing it.
Paul Rogers94 said:as if
(you're presenting this as "arguments and evidence," but the sentence doesn't even make sense syntactically, let alone regarding the topic at hand. I have no idea how you arrived at that thought or what logic you used to get there; it's just a naked assertion based on your conviction that that's just how things are)
there is no wine bottle
a wine bottle doesn't know it's a wine bottle; it only becomes one as an idea in your mind
likewise, a dog doesn't know it's a dog or have any ideas about such things; it only becomes a dog in your mind
there is no dog
an apple doesn't know it's an apple until you define/conceptualize it in your mind, and so on
the universe is merely your own mental construct
the person you think you are also exists only as an idea in your mind
what we perceive as reality is simply a mental interpretation
outside of our interpretation, there is no reality
because we/Brahman are the only true reality, not the individual persona we identify with
I think I've explained—as clearly and simply as possible, given my limited abilities—why I believe the phenomenal universe is neither real nor unreal, and that it only takes on those qualities when viewed through the categories of the mind. I've also clarified why trying to resolve this through mental categorization is impossible and pointless. I don't care if anyone agrees with me; the fact that you find this unacceptable isn't my problem. So stop badgering me about it and instead present some actual 😁 "arguments and evidence" for why you think it's real. I've already explained why being a slave to mental categories is a dead end and why debating them is futile, and I've noted that the only way to resolve the question is through direct insight
yet, you still haven't defined what mental concepts actually are
(nor have you provided any proof to support your claims that I'm "detached from reality," that I'm "drawing wrong conclusions," or that I'm "slaving to dogmas"—it honestly looks like you've just decided that's how it is)
Ultimately, you don't even know how to hold a basic debate because you lack the necessary tools. You're hollow, aimless, and seemingly lacking the cognitive capacity for this
your persistent whining about "arguments and evidence" is getting ridiculous.😬 , and there isn't a single trace of anything like that in the entire history of your senseless, frustrated little forum posts
Now, go ahead—say it out loud three times to yourself;
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
'Existence and non-existence are not mental concepts.'
Then, try to notice the impression that leaves on you (if there's even any sense left to feel)
Does that statement have any actual grounding, or does it just exist within your exhausted mind?
See, that’s the thing—all your so-called "evidence" and "arguments" feel just as hollow as your constant, stubborn insistence on using them.
For every single one of your "proofs," anyone could spend sixty seconds on Google and find thousands of counter-points and rebuttals.
You're nonsensical—honestly, you're even more nonsensical than Zachary Cox69, and you're easily the most nonsensical person here when it comes to this "reasoned debate" you keep trying to force...
Keep up the insults and the usual lack of class.
Also, I can see you're struggling to keep up, so I’m gonna paste some of my original points and questions again, but this time I’ll **bold** them for you.
You could reach that conclusion pretty easily if you actually used some basic logic, looked at things through an objective scientific lens, or even dove into philosophical methods—hell, even spiritual insights (like what Buddha realized) would get you there. But, like you said, you claim you arrived at this "final" conclusion all on your own, even though you're basically just parroting someone else's dogmas... And honestly, whether these conclusions are yours or someone else's doesn't even matter that much; plenty of other people have already tried to break down this topic. Plus, since you believe everything is just an illusion, then by your own logic, you and everything you're saying are also just illusions. You're basically debunking yourself and your own arguments because you're claiming nothing is real—including the words coming out of your mouth (assuming you're pushing that Advaita Vedanta/Shankara interpretation of Maya that I've noticed you're leaning into). Why would anyone listen to the illusory rambling of an illusory figure who, by your own admission, doesn't even exist? It's not real, so why would his words be real? Or do you only notice contradictions when you're arguing that the universe isn't real? And why on earth would Brahman bother creating some pointless illusion like the universe and everything in it, where everything is fake and unreal? Where does Maya come from in your version of the story? You haven't even touched on the heavy hitters here. You're mixing up fundamental philosophical concepts like relativity, the Absolute, reality, and illusion—which is pretty obvious looking at your thread about how the universe is an illusion.
Earlier in our chats, people pointed you toward specific teachings and systems that tear down these philosophical dogmas regarding the unreality of the universe, providing solid philosophical frameworks, but you just ignored them and stuck to your guns. People even suggested books if you actually wanted to do some homework and see what's what. Science is a whole different beast, too. There's a huge difference between believing in something—which, hey, you're totally free to do—and trying to argue a point using clear analysis, reliable sources, philosophy, or scientific evidence. This whole thread of yours is just rambling, to put it lightly, and it falls apart under major philosophical criticisms that are well-known in both Eastern and Western traditions. Philosophy isn't some new thing, and neither is philosophical critique. Right now, most of what you say is based on pure belief and your own limited take, while you completely ignore other critiques and systems that might explain things way better than the books you've picked out and decided to follow blindly.Another issue here, which was already mentioned, is your ego trip where you've convinced yourself you *are* the Absolute/Brahman (maybe you're reading way too much Nisargadatta 😁). Based on that dogmatic and flawed understanding of the Absolute, you make claims like the universe isn't real, or that it's both real and not real at the same time, or that reality depends on your subjectivity or someone else's. In reality, it's just your own subjectivity driving the bus.
