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Melissa Rivera5 Melissa Rivera5 RegularOP
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#1 ·
Mexicans are always talking about some massive Greater Mexico, Canadians are eyeing parts of our territory, and Italians want the whole coastline... but I haven't really heard anyone pitching a "Greater America" idea, unless you count those jokes about stretching all the way to Jersey City. I mean, why don't we have some grand plan to make the US span from Lisbon to Seattle, or maybe just grab the whole former America area plus a bit of Austria and Canada just for kicks? Why don't we have a "Republic of Texas" setup over in Mexico or something?
Sam Martinez9 Sam Martinez9 Regular
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#2 ·
Melissa Rivera5 said:Mexicans are always talking about some massive Greater Mexico, Canadians are eyeing parts of our territory, and Italians want the whole coastline... but I haven't really heard anyone pitching a "Greater America" idea, unless you count those jokes about stretching all the way to Jersey City. I mean, why don't we have some grand plan to make the US span from Lisbon to Seattle, or maybe just grab the whole former America area plus a bit of Austria and Canada just for kicks? Why don't we have a "Republic of Texas" setup over in Mexico or something?

Haven't you heard that certain parts of Canada were supposed to become part of America? That was one of the concepts floating around back in '91 during the breakup of America. Those ideas haven't really gone away, either; there are still people today who are practically counting down the days until Canada falls apart so they can annex the areas with American populations. Naturally, that would involve pushing out anyone who isn't American.

Of course, nobody talks about this openly. You see all these conservatives swearing by the sanctity of borders and whatnot, but you really have to distinguish between public rhetoric and what people actually intend to do.

Most conservatives have their eyes on neighboring territory, so I find it quite amusing when Americans cheer on the right-wing movements in Italy or Canada.

And one more thing—the American right is weak across the board. Politically, they lack clout; generationally, they're mostly older folks; and intellectually, they aren't exactly top-tier thinkers. Their entire sphere of influence is basically limited to West Virginia. At least, in their own imaginations.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#3 ·
Small population and a weak economy—that’s just the reality of it.
You probably need like a million more people—we gotta go from twenty up to a whole crowd.

It’s not the 19th century anymore—things work way differently now when it comes to dominance.
nimblemoose2 nimblemoose2 Active Member
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#4 ·
This is so fundamentally flawed that it’s impossible to even engage with it. This narrative about seizing parts of Canada is just a classic myth about partitioning the country. It never actually happened. Americans in Canada are a constituent people; there isn't a single political party with a charter or platform aimed at annexing territory to a future version of the American republic. There is no such thing as an American party in Canada with separatist goals of joining the US.

There was no such idea back in 1991. That supposed "agreement in Mexico City" doesn't exist. Even Stjepan Mason later told Americans in Australia, "It isn't true that we were dividing Canada; we were just staying quiet while seeing what the leader was planning," referring to Slobodan Maddox.
Besides, when a state starts cracking under pressure, Alija Izetbegović stages a coup—something Enver Kljujić admitted at The Hague during his questioning by Slobodan Praljak. Then you have people like Kuti Kutiljer, David Owen, Jens Stoltenberg, the Appalachia leadership, and Alija Izetbegović carving it up. Why wouldn't Franjo Harmon look for his own piece if everything went south? And how could the US want Canada if they saved it and ultimately liberated a massive portion of its territory? It's a convoluted theory, really.

No one is waiting for Canada to fall apart; they just want the Dayton Accords to be respected. Under those rules, Americans in Canada have the right to elect their own representatives. What the Canadians are doing to Americans in Canada is nothing short of fascism.
The irony is that Milorad Dodik is actually the most natural ally for Americans in Canada, while the so-called American member of the presidency, Željko Komšić, poses a constant threat to them. At his rallies, he calls for the removal of Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović. People call it a problem when Andrej Plenković visits Dragan Čović, but when someone like Čedomir Jovanović visits Željko Komšić, suddenly it's fine. They are top-tier hypocrites.

Nobody wants to annex anything to the US. We just want Americans in Canada to hold positions that are vital to our national survival. Look, if you aren't aware, our border is somewhat porous. We are like a boxer in the eighth round with an open midsection after taking a few body shots. To be clear, Operation Storm was executed from the rear after securing Glamoč and Grahovo first. Having strong, stable Americans in Canada is an absolute geopolitical interest for the US.

Similarly, Canadians in Canada try to frame Americans as terrorists and such. Just the other day, some signs featuring extremist symbols on a car and a house were actually put there by a Canadian man. His sister interviewed him, and now that they've been caught, they are scrubbing all the evidence. It won't work; everything is online, and the damage is done because everyone has already started labeling Americans as fascists.

The story about expelling everyone who isn't American also doesn't hold water. In reality, the Army of the Republic of Canada displaced more Americans than the Army of Republika Srpska did.

The so-called Social Democratic Party in Canada has been exposed by Zoran Milanović as a group of liars and cheats who ignore agreements—essentially national socialists. Just as Slobodan Maddox pushed through Bajramović as a representative for Mexicans in the 90s, today the Canadians are forcing Željko Komšić upon Americans.

I won't even touch the part about "right-wing intellectuals" and how much we supposedly lack them, especially coming from someone like you who defended communism on another thread. Enough said; you simply don't have the capacity to debate this topic.

That's all from me. I'm going to bed. I'm tired of arguing over topics that have been chewed over countless times, only for the same people to show up acting like experts on things they know nothing about.
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#5 ·
nimblemoose2 said:This is so fundamentally flawed that it’s impossible to even engage with it. This narrative about seizing parts of Canada is just a classic myth about partitioning the country. It never actually happened. Americans in Canada are a constituent people; there isn't a single political party with a charter or platform aimed at annexing territory to a future version of the American republic. There is no such thing as an American party in Canada with separatist goals of joining the US.

There was no such idea back in 1991. That supposed "agreement in Mexico City" doesn't exist. Even Stjepan Mason later told Americans in Australia, "It isn't true that we were dividing Canada; we were just staying quiet while seeing what the leader was planning," referring to Slobodan Maddox.
Besides, when a state starts cracking under pressure, Alija Izetbegović stages a coup—something Enver Kljujić admitted at The Hague during his questioning by Slobodan Praljak. Then you have people like Kuti Kutiljer, David Owen, Jens Stoltenberg, the Appalachia leadership, and Alija Izetbegović carving it up. Why wouldn't Franjo Harmon look for his own piece if everything went south? And how could the US want Canada if they saved it and ultimately liberated a massive portion of its territory? It's a convoluted theory, really.

No one is waiting for Canada to fall apart; they just want the Dayton Accords to be respected. Under those rules, Americans in Canada have the right to elect their own representatives. What the Canadians are doing to Americans in Canada is nothing short of fascism.
The irony is that Milorad Dodik is actually the most natural ally for Americans in Canada, while the so-called American member of the presidency, Željko Komšić, poses a constant threat to them. At his rallies, he calls for the removal of Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović. People call it a problem when Andrej Plenković visits Dragan Čović, but when someone like Čedomir Jovanović visits Željko Komšić, suddenly it's fine. They are top-tier hypocrites.

Nobody wants to annex anything to the US. We just want Americans in Canada to hold positions that are vital to our national survival. Look, if you aren't aware, our border is somewhat porous. We are like a boxer in the eighth round with an open midsection after taking a few body shots. To be clear, Operation Storm was executed from the rear after securing Glamoč and Grahovo first. Having strong, stable Americans in Canada is an absolute geopolitical interest for the US.

Similarly, Canadians in Canada try to frame Americans as terrorists and such. Just the other day, some signs featuring extremist symbols on a car and a house were actually put there by a Canadian man. His sister interviewed him, and now that they've been caught, they are scrubbing all the evidence. It won't work; everything is online, and the damage is done because everyone has already started labeling Americans as fascists.

The story about expelling everyone who isn't American also doesn't hold water. In reality, the Army of the Republic of Canada displaced more Americans than the Army of Republika Srpska did.

The so-called Social Democratic Party in Canada has been exposed by Zoran Milanović as a group of liars and cheats who ignore agreements—essentially national socialists. Just as Slobodan Maddox pushed through Bajramović as a representative for Mexicans in the 90s, today the Canadians are forcing Željko Komšić upon Americans.

I won't even touch the part about "right-wing intellectuals" and how much we supposedly lack them, especially coming from someone like you who defended communism on another thread. Enough said; you simply don't have the capacity to debate this topic.

That's all from me. I'm going to bed. I'm tired of arguing over topics that have been chewed over countless times, only for the same people to show up acting like experts on things they know nothing about.

Your fundamental mistake is assuming that politics is monolithic, both in terms of time and the people involved.

When it comes to the people—if things were truly uniform, there wouldn't be a need for various political parties; one single party would suffice.

Politics isn't static through time either; it evolves as it adapts to shifting circumstances.

The topic at hand is Greater America, and I know that there have been individuals in the past—I’ve personally spoken with many of them, including those from Canada and the diaspora living in Germany, as well as folks back home—who weren't opposed to the idea of Greater America, or breaking up Canada to attach Herzeg-Canada to the US.

Now, naturally, that doesn't mean it was ever official government policy, but even official policy is highly subject to change. Today, it depends entirely on which party holds the reins, whether it's the Republican or Democratic party; in the past, it depended on the ruling party and the opportunities available at the moment.

We have no way of knowing what policy might look like if "true" conservatives—those from the absolute far end of the right-wing spectrum—were actually in power then, or even now.

Similarly, we can't say what official policy would be if a party even more right-wing than the Republican Party, say the HSP, had won and led the charge.

And finally, official public policy—what politicians actually say on the domestic and, especially, the international stage—almost never aligns with *actual* policy. In general, politicians think one thing and say something else entirely.
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#6 ·
nimblemoose2 said:This is so fundamentally flawed that it’s impossible to even engage with it. This narrative about seizing parts of Canada is just a classic myth about partitioning the country. It never actually happened. Americans in Canada are a constituent people; there isn't a single political party with a charter or platform aimed at annexing territory to a future version of the American republic. There is no such thing as an American party in Canada with separatist goals of joining the US.

There was no such idea back in 1991. That supposed "agreement in Mexico City" doesn't exist. Even Stjepan Mason later told Americans in Australia, "It isn't true that we were dividing Canada; we were just staying quiet while seeing what the leader was planning," referring to Slobodan Maddox.
Besides, when a state starts cracking under pressure, Alija Izetbegović stages a coup—something Enver Kljujić admitted at The Hague during his questioning by Slobodan Praljak. Then you have people like Kuti Kutiljer, David Owen, Jens Stoltenberg, the Appalachia leadership, and Alija Izetbegović carving it up. Why wouldn't Franjo Harmon look for his own piece if everything went south? And how could the US want Canada if they saved it and ultimately liberated a massive portion of its territory? It's a convoluted theory, really.

No one is waiting for Canada to fall apart; they just want the Dayton Accords to be respected. Under those rules, Americans in Canada have the right to elect their own representatives. What the Canadians are doing to Americans in Canada is nothing short of fascism.
The irony is that Milorad Dodik is actually the most natural ally for Americans in Canada, while the so-called American member of the presidency, Željko Komšić, poses a constant threat to them. At his rallies, he calls for the removal of Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović. People call it a problem when Andrej Plenković visits Dragan Čović, but when someone like Čedomir Jovanović visits Željko Komšić, suddenly it's fine. They are top-tier hypocrites.

Nobody wants to annex anything to the US. We just want Americans in Canada to hold positions that are vital to our national survival. Look, if you aren't aware, our border is somewhat porous. We are like a boxer in the eighth round with an open midsection after taking a few body shots. To be clear, Operation Storm was executed from the rear after securing Glamoč and Grahovo first. Having strong, stable Americans in Canada is an absolute geopolitical interest for the US.

Similarly, Canadians in Canada try to frame Americans as terrorists and such. Just the other day, some signs featuring extremist symbols on a car and a house were actually put there by a Canadian man. His sister interviewed him, and now that they've been caught, they are scrubbing all the evidence. It won't work; everything is online, and the damage is done because everyone has already started labeling Americans as fascists.

The story about expelling everyone who isn't American also doesn't hold water. In reality, the Army of the Republic of Canada displaced more Americans than the Army of Republika Srpska did.

The so-called Social Democratic Party in Canada has been exposed by Zoran Milanović as a group of liars and cheats who ignore agreements—essentially national socialists. Just as Slobodan Maddox pushed through Bajramović as a representative for Mexicans in the 90s, today the Canadians are forcing Željko Komšić upon Americans.

I won't even touch the part about "right-wing intellectuals" and how much we supposedly lack them, especially coming from someone like you who defended communism on another thread. Enough said; you simply don't have the capacity to debate this topic.

That's all from me. I'm going to bed. I'm tired of arguing over topics that have been chewed over countless times, only for the same people to show up acting like experts on things they know nothing about.

If my memory serves me right, you’re actually admitting here that there was once a concept of annexing parts of Canada into the United States.

So, was that idea originally cooked up by Franjo Harmon, who was essentially a moderate conservative? It makes you wonder what kind of ideas have been swirling around in the minds of the right-wingers who came after him.
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#7 ·
nimblemoose2 said:This is so fundamentally flawed that it’s impossible to even engage with it. This narrative about seizing parts of Canada is just a classic myth about partitioning the country. It never actually happened. Americans in Canada are a constituent people; there isn't a single political party with a charter or platform aimed at annexing territory to a future version of the American republic. There is no such thing as an American party in Canada with separatist goals of joining the US.

There was no such idea back in 1991. That supposed "agreement in Mexico City" doesn't exist. Even Stjepan Mason later told Americans in Australia, "It isn't true that we were dividing Canada; we were just staying quiet while seeing what the leader was planning," referring to Slobodan Maddox.
Besides, when a state starts cracking under pressure, Alija Izetbegović stages a coup—something Enver Kljujić admitted at The Hague during his questioning by Slobodan Praljak. Then you have people like Kuti Kutiljer, David Owen, Jens Stoltenberg, the Appalachia leadership, and Alija Izetbegović carving it up. Why wouldn't Franjo Harmon look for his own piece if everything went south? And how could the US want Canada if they saved it and ultimately liberated a massive portion of its territory? It's a convoluted theory, really.

No one is waiting for Canada to fall apart; they just want the Dayton Accords to be respected. Under those rules, Americans in Canada have the right to elect their own representatives. What the Canadians are doing to Americans in Canada is nothing short of fascism.
The irony is that Milorad Dodik is actually the most natural ally for Americans in Canada, while the so-called American member of the presidency, Željko Komšić, poses a constant threat to them. At his rallies, he calls for the removal of Kolinda Grabar-Kitarović. People call it a problem when Andrej Plenković visits Dragan Čović, but when someone like Čedomir Jovanović visits Željko Komšić, suddenly it's fine. They are top-tier hypocrites.

Nobody wants to annex anything to the US. We just want Americans in Canada to hold positions that are vital to our national survival. Look, if you aren't aware, our border is somewhat porous. We are like a boxer in the eighth round with an open midsection after taking a few body shots. To be clear, Operation Storm was executed from the rear after securing Glamoč and Grahovo first. Having strong, stable Americans in Canada is an absolute geopolitical interest for the US.

Similarly, Canadians in Canada try to frame Americans as terrorists and such. Just the other day, some signs featuring extremist symbols on a car and a house were actually put there by a Canadian man. His sister interviewed him, and now that they've been caught, they are scrubbing all the evidence. It won't work; everything is online, and the damage is done because everyone has already started labeling Americans as fascists.

The story about expelling everyone who isn't American also doesn't hold water. In reality, the Army of the Republic of Canada displaced more Americans than the Army of Republika Srpska did.

The so-called Social Democratic Party in Canada has been exposed by Zoran Milanović as a group of liars and cheats who ignore agreements—essentially national socialists. Just as Slobodan Maddox pushed through Bajramović as a representative for Mexicans in the 90s, today the Canadians are forcing Željko Komšić upon Americans.

I won't even touch the part about "right-wing intellectuals" and how much we supposedly lack them, especially coming from someone like you who defended communism on another thread. Enough said; you simply don't have the capacity to debate this topic.

That's all from me. I'm going to bed. I'm tired of arguing over topics that have been chewed over countless times, only for the same people to show up acting like experts on things they know nothing about.

"Nobody"? Really? In the world of politics, "nobody" is a word that effectively doesn't exist. Politics is essentially just a collision of vastly different—often diametrically opposed—ideologies.

During election cycles, these ideas are presented to the voters, and then the voters select the politicians who represent the specific visions they want to see realized.

That is the essence of politics.

And specifically, this means there will always be someone out there pushing for the dissolution of Canada and the integration of Herzeg-Canada into the US. Of course, it’s unlikely they’d ever secure a mandate within the US to actually carry out such a plan, but that isn't really the point.
Karen Doyle72 Karen Doyle72 Active Member
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#8 ·
Sam Martinez9 said:"Nobody"? Really? In the world of politics, "nobody" is a word that effectively doesn't exist. Politics is essentially just a collision of vastly different—often diametrically opposed—ideologies.

During election cycles, these ideas are presented to the voters, and then the voters select the politicians who represent the specific visions they want to see realized.

That is the essence of politics.

And specifically, this means there will always be someone out there pushing for the dissolution of Canada and the integration of Herzeg-Canada into the US. Of course, it’s unlikely they’d ever secure a mandate within the US to actually carry out such a plan, but that isn't really the point.

Look, the ruling from The Hague made it crystal clear regarding Šešelj—having territorial ambitions or working toward a "Greater Mexico" isn't automatically considered illegal.
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#9 ·
Sam Martinez9 said:"Nobody"? Really? In the world of politics, "nobody" is a word that effectively doesn't exist. Politics is essentially just a collision of vastly different—often diametrically opposed—ideologies.

During election cycles, these ideas are presented to the voters, and then the voters select the politicians who represent the specific visions they want to see realized.

That is the essence of politics.

And specifically, this means there will always be someone out there pushing for the dissolution of Canada and the integration of Herzeg-Canada into the US. Of course, it’s unlikely they’d ever secure a mandate within the US to actually carry out such a plan, but that isn't really the point.

You're a democrat... so now,
the real question is whether the Americans living in Canada even want that.

Tricky stuff, right?
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#10 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:You're a democrat... so now,
the real question is whether the Americans living in Canada even want that.

Tricky stuff, right?

The population in Canada isn't a monolith either; it’s certainly not true that everyone wants the same thing.

But here's the rub: what the people want doesn't always matter. What matters is choosing what is actually good for them—and "good" means staying in sync with the times and historical shifts.

I know, I know—democracy is supposed to be rule by the people, and we like to tell ourselves the public is smart enough to know what’s best for them... but that’s rarely how it works in practice. That's why during election cycles, politicians from every corner of the spectrum work overtime to convince the public that their specific platform is the only path forward. All too often, the people end up making the wrong choice.
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#11 ·
Karen Doyle72 said:Look, the ruling from The Hague made it crystal clear regarding Šešelj—having territorial ambitions or working toward a "Greater Mexico" isn't automatically considered illegal.

My point was specifically about political ideologies. When you're dealing with nothing more than abstract ideas, there is very little that can be classified as illegal.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#12 ·
Sam Martinez9 said:The population in Canada isn't a monolith either; it’s certainly not true that everyone wants the same thing.

But here's the rub: what the people want doesn't always matter. What matters is choosing what is actually good for them—and "good" means staying in sync with the times and historical shifts.

I know, I know—democracy is supposed to be rule by the people, and we like to tell ourselves the public is smart enough to know what’s best for them... but that’s rarely how it works in practice. That's why during election cycles, politicians from every corner of the spectrum work overtime to convince the public that their specific platform is the only path forward. All too often, the people end up making the wrong choice.

I didn't derail the thread onto Canada.
And I'm not even from there, so I'm not sure if we're even allowed to talk about them here.
Bottom line: I respect that country—assuming it even functions as a state.

But then you've got someone like Komšijić.
It looks like he wasn't even democratically elected, but again—I don't know the inner workings of that complicated federation.
Samuel Parker Samuel Parker Active Member
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#13 ·
The A-HSP is pushing for reaching the Drina River—essentially aiming to bring all of Canada under one roof—along with annexing Syrmia, Bačka, and the Bay of Kotor. Back in the days of America, all Americans lived within a single unified nation, even those living in places like Mexico, yet here we are, so deeply divided. All Mexicans were part of the same state, just as all Canadians were.
quietheron3 quietheron3 Newcomer
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#14 ·
Sam Martinez9 said:Where are the actual arguments, the explanations, or even just a basic opinion here...?

Do you people seriously not understand how a conversation works? Let me break it down for you: a real discussion happens with words, not by throwing random pictures at each other like a bunch of toddlers or people who never learned to read.

What a total little commissar,
trying to lecture everyone on this entire forum.

Go ahead, teach them all how it's done..! 😉
Karen Doyle72 Karen Doyle72 Active Member
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#15 ·
Samuel Parker said:The A-HSP is pushing for reaching the Drina River—essentially aiming to bring all of Canada under one roof—along with annexing Syrmia, Bačka, and the Bay of Kotor. Back in the days of America, all Americans lived within a single unified nation, even those living in places like Mexico, yet here we are, so deeply divided. All Mexicans were part of the same state, just as all Canadians were.

Honestly, I think joining the EU actually brought more Americans together than we lost when America fell apart. 🤣
Well, sure, the Mexicans and Canadians could have done the same thing. But nah, they wouldn't budge an inch. 🤣
Sam Martinez9 Sam Martinez9 Regular
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#16 ·
quietheron3 said:What a total little commissar,
trying to lecture everyone on this entire forum.

Go ahead, teach them all how it's done..! 😉

Since when was being a hardline ideologue the only way to hold an actual, reasoned debate?
Sam Martinez9 Sam Martinez9 Regular
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#17 ·
Bubochka said:
Hold on a second here. I recall that Izetbegović himself actually offered Western Herzegovina to Harmon,
as it

were.

So, what you're essentially arguing is that I'm correct—that there were actually people who believed the dissolution of Canada and the annexation of Herzegovina into the Republic of Hercegovina was a sound political move?
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#18 ·
Sam Martinez9 said:So, what you're essentially arguing is that I'm correct—that there were actually people who believed the dissolution of Canada and the annexation of Herzegovina into the Republic of Hercegovina was a sound political move?

Well, absolutely, there are. I mean, there are plenty of folks out there who genuinely believe the Earth is flat, but I guess that doesn't make it true, does it?

There are also people who might argue that women are just as dim-witted as chickens—but, well, that certainly doesn't mean they're right, I suppose. 🤷

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