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Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#21 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:Unless you're some sort of polygamist guru, then sure, you could say "whatever."

Otherwise, being possessive is just a natural reaction—plus, partners usually share the same vibe.
It basically scales right along with how connected you are.

Most average people are pretty shallow (spiritually speaking, anyway), but the core truth remains the same.

Not necessarily. You could just look at a situation like that as motivation to finally walk away from a bad relationship, for instance.

Thomas Nelson25 said:Unless you're some sort of polygamist guru, then sure, you could say "whatever."

Otherwise, being possessive is just a natural reaction—plus, partners usually share the same vibe.
It basically scales right along with how connected you are.

Most average people are pretty shallow (spiritually speaking, anyway), but the core truth remains the same.

I really can't stand possessiveness in any form, though I don't have any issues with being deeply connected. People are just wired differently, I suppose.
Peter Murphy6 Peter Murphy6 Active Member
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#22 ·
swiftdrifter4 said:I find your comparison to a psychopath interesting, though it sounds a bit bleak to me. I’d argue that being able to see the "silver lining" in a negative situation or a life storm is almost like a superpower. It gives you the wisdom to know when to keep fighting and when to just let go—not in the sense of giving up or sinking into depression, but more like having faith in "cosmic patterns" that we might miss because we're blinded by fear, frustration, or guilt.
To answer your question...
I don't have some hidden agenda or profound revelation I'm chasing by starting this thread; I was honestly just curious to see what people thought.

Feeling blue? 🐔
I get where you're coming from.

You know those "glass half-full" types? Depending on who they are, if things get heavy emotionally, they’ll almost automatically go hunting for the silver lining—even if it’s just so they can argue against it.
Look, the whole idea is that you gotta act like you’ve already arrived at that "vision" you're chasing. It’s about moving toward the goal through your actions. To actually make those bright spots happen, you have to be fully dialed in—emotionally and rationally—which basically means you need to emotionally detach from all the heavy, messy stuff happening right now. Usually, that headspace only kicks in once enough time has passed... though honestly, it really just depends on the person.
That part about psychopathy? It hits deep. But honestly, once you move past the psychology side of things, you’re basically stepping out of sociology and straight into philosophy and spirituality. It's all connected.
If there’s one word that sums up this whole thing—it's focus.
Looking for the silver lining is basically just an attempt to run away from the negativity—it’s an escape tactic. For me? It’s about seeing both sides, period. You can't have the light without the dark; they both come as a package deal.

It’s not about having some kind of superpower—it’s more about how you navigate yourself through time and whatever chaos life throws at you, regardless of what society expects. Honestly? A huge part of it just comes down to awareness.
Sometimes, trying to force logic into an emotional situation is just high-stakes gambling—it’s risky as hell. Honestly? It’s usually better if that rational side just... clicks in on its own. You don't want to force it and end up looking like a robot; you gotta leave some room to just be human. It all comes down to how you read the room.
So, we've talked about the whole breakup/cheating drama... but what about the even heavier stuff?
How does someone even allow themselves to see—to actually *grasp*—the silver linings in some of these truly horrific situations? Not to mention all the other dark stuff constantly swirling around in my head...
You can kind of take that same pattern and apply it to easier situations too—the stuff you're actually interested in. It’s all deeply tied to how you see yourself, your core values, how you were raised, and those social norms we just soak up—you know?
Here’s a mid-level example—a woman sticking by an alcoholic. Just the thought of walking away triggers this massive wave of guilt because she thinks "true" love means staying through absolutely everything, no matter how toxic it gets. 🙄 So you "don't love" them, huh? Now you’re taking that same pattern—that whole cycle of guilt and self-justification—and dragging it into other areas of your life. It's getting messy. You've got all these layers involved now—self-reflection, core values, how you were raised, even the influence of society at large. It's deep.

I mean, I’m not even sure you can truly call looking at the "bright side" perfect—regardless of how objective you think you're being. Like I said before, when things are actually going down, that "silver lining" usually has zero real basis in reality; it's mostly just a way to smell some comfort. As long as there's an emotional tint to it, you're taking a risk. Honestly, spotting the "light vs. dark" is more of an emotional reflex than a rational one. From a purely logical standpoint? It doesn't even matter. Maybe that's the biggest part—you can't know the final outcome. And if you can't see the end, you can't be certain whether you even picked the "light" or the "dark" side to begin with.
Look, from one angle—specifically those non-objective "enlightened" perspectives—you get people doing some seriously legendary, mind-blowing stuff. Honestly, they move with way more drive than any rational, "objective" person ever could.
Look, I’m no genius. But I truly believe you can—in a healthy way—tap into certain traits of constructive psychopathy just to expand your range of possibilities. I’m not talking about a full-blown disorder here, just picking up specific tools that actually work. Honestly, I’ve already mastered some of these bits myself, and I'm still working on others.

I tend to just go with the flow when I realize that trying to force control—which can get pretty messy emotionally—might actually trigger some high-risk potential. My "shortcut" methods have their flaws, though. Like, sometimes there’s a total short circuit when I try to process logic and raw emotion all at once. Then my intuition kicks in from the background and hits me like a freight train, forcing me to sit still and wait out the storm while the system "cools down" and I try to minimize the fallout.

There’s also a certain blindness that comes with it... some "bright-side" side effects, if you will. Especially when other factors get involved.

It’s not like (right now 🤣 ) I’m buying into cosmic patterns or anything, but I definitely "believe" in patterns—as much as I believe in my own inability to spot, grasp, and decode them all. I just let things happen 😬 Everything that’s meant to connect, will.
So yeah, I agree—knowing when to let go and when to grab hold is everything.

Quick side note—I don't really see emotions as "good" or "bad."

To answer your question...
I don't have some deep, hidden truth I'm chasing by starting this thread; I was honestly just curious what everyone else thinks.

Fair enough, interesting stuff.
I'm not supposed to get too personal with people on the forum ( 😢 ), so I'll leave it at that.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#23 ·
Luck or Bad Luck

An old man and his son were working on their ranch out in Montana. They had just one horse to their name. One day, that horse broke loose and ran off.
“That’s terrible!” the neighbors would say, shaking their heads. “What a disaster!”
“Is it luck? Is it bad luck? Honestly, who can say?” the old man would simply reply.

The following week, the horse wandered back from the mountains, bringing five wild mares along with him.
“Now that is some serious luck!” the neighbors shouted.
“Luck? Bad luck? Who knows?” the old man replied.

A day later, while trying to break in one of those new mares, the son fell hard and broke his leg.
“What a misfortune!” the neighbors lamented.
“Luck? Or bad luck?” the old man asked.

Then war broke out. The army rolled through town and drafted all the healthy young men. Since the starčev son was injured and couldn't serve, they left him behind.
“Luck? Or bad luck?”
swiftdrifter4 swiftdrifter4 MemberOP
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#24 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:Luck or Bad Luck

An old man and his son were working on their ranch out in Montana. They had just one horse to their name. One day, that horse broke loose and ran off.
“That’s terrible!” the neighbors would say, shaking their heads. “What a disaster!”
“Is it luck? Is it bad luck? Honestly, who can say?” the old man would simply reply.

The following week, the horse wandered back from the mountains, bringing five wild mares along with him.
“Now that is some serious luck!” the neighbors shouted.
“Luck? Bad luck? Who knows?” the old man replied.

A day later, while trying to break in one of those new mares, the son fell hard and broke his leg.
“What a misfortune!” the neighbors lamented.
“Luck? Or bad luck?” the old man asked.

Then war broke out. The army rolled through town and drafted all the healthy young men. Since the starčev son was injured and couldn't serve, they left him behind.
“Luck? Or bad luck?”

A bullseye of a story that fits this topic perfectly.😁
To me, the point of the story is detachment. Not indifference toward life or what happens to us—not that—but rather breaking free from the narrow mindset of labeling everything as strictly "good" or "bad." Who are we to claim we know for certain where a single event will lead? Life has always been chaotic and unpredictable, and it always will be.
But how many people actually live with that kind of perspective? It's a question. Everyone thinks they have it all figured out, acting so certain of their "knowledge." And when that certainty gets shaken, they suffer. Maybe it's because in our culture, embracing confusion feels illogical or even crazy... or maybe it's just a natural human mechanism to hunt for security in an insecure world. Who knows?😁
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#25 ·
Peter Murphy6 said:Feeling blue? 🐔
I get where you're coming from.

You know those "glass half-full" types? Depending on who they are, if things get heavy emotionally, they’ll almost automatically go hunting for the silver lining—even if it’s just so they can argue against it.
Look, the whole idea is that you gotta act like you’ve already arrived at that "vision" you're chasing. It’s about moving toward the goal through your actions. To actually make those bright spots happen, you have to be fully dialed in—emotionally and rationally—which basically means you need to emotionally detach from all the heavy, messy stuff happening right now. Usually, that headspace only kicks in once enough time has passed... though honestly, it really just depends on the person.
That part about psychopathy? It hits deep. But honestly, once you move past the psychology side of things, you’re basically stepping out of sociology and straight into philosophy and spirituality. It's all connected.
If there’s one word that sums up this whole thing—it's focus.
Looking for the silver lining is basically just an attempt to run away from the negativity—it’s an escape tactic. For me? It’s about seeing both sides, period. You can't have the light without the dark; they both come as a package deal.

It’s not about having some kind of superpower—it’s more about how you navigate yourself through time and whatever chaos life throws at you, regardless of what society expects. Honestly? A huge part of it just comes down to awareness.
Sometimes, trying to force logic into an emotional situation is just high-stakes gambling—it’s risky as hell. Honestly? It’s usually better if that rational side just... clicks in on its own. You don't want to force it and end up looking like a robot; you gotta leave some room to just be human. It all comes down to how you read the room.
So, we've talked about the whole breakup/cheating drama... but what about the even heavier stuff?
How does someone even allow themselves to see—to actually *grasp*—the silver linings in some of these truly horrific situations? Not to mention all the other dark stuff constantly swirling around in my head...
You can kind of take that same pattern and apply it to easier situations too—the stuff you're actually interested in. It’s all deeply tied to how you see yourself, your core values, how you were raised, and those social norms we just soak up—you know?
Here’s a mid-level example—a woman sticking by an alcoholic. Just the thought of walking away triggers this massive wave of guilt because she thinks "true" love means staying through absolutely everything, no matter how toxic it gets. 🙄 So you "don't love" them, huh? Now you’re taking that same pattern—that whole cycle of guilt and self-justification—and dragging it into other areas of your life. It's getting messy. You've got all these layers involved now—self-reflection, core values, how you were raised, even the influence of society at large. It's deep.

I mean, I’m not even sure you can truly call looking at the "bright side" perfect—regardless of how objective you think you're being. Like I said before, when things are actually going down, that "silver lining" usually has zero real basis in reality; it's mostly just a way to smell some comfort. As long as there's an emotional tint to it, you're taking a risk. Honestly, spotting the "light vs. dark" is more of an emotional reflex than a rational one. From a purely logical standpoint? It doesn't even matter. Maybe that's the biggest part—you can't know the final outcome. And if you can't see the end, you can't be certain whether you even picked the "light" or the "dark" side to begin with.
Look, from one angle—specifically those non-objective "enlightened" perspectives—you get people doing some seriously legendary, mind-blowing stuff. Honestly, they move with way more drive than any rational, "objective" person ever could.
Look, I’m no genius. But I truly believe you can—in a healthy way—tap into certain traits of constructive psychopathy just to expand your range of possibilities. I’m not talking about a full-blown disorder here, just picking up specific tools that actually work. Honestly, I’ve already mastered some of these bits myself, and I'm still working on others.

I tend to just go with the flow when I realize that trying to force control—which can get pretty messy emotionally—might actually trigger some high-risk potential. My "shortcut" methods have their flaws, though. Like, sometimes there’s a total short circuit when I try to process logic and raw emotion all at once. Then my intuition kicks in from the background and hits me like a freight train, forcing me to sit still and wait out the storm while the system "cools down" and I try to minimize the fallout.

There’s also a certain blindness that comes with it... some "bright-side" side effects, if you will. Especially when other factors get involved.

It’s not like (right now 🤣 ) I’m buying into cosmic patterns or anything, but I definitely "believe" in patterns—as much as I believe in my own inability to spot, grasp, and decode them all. I just let things happen 😬 Everything that’s meant to connect, will.
So yeah, I agree—knowing when to let go and when to grab hold is everything.

Quick side note—I don't really see emotions as "good" or "bad."

To answer your question...
I don't have some deep, hidden truth I'm chasing by starting this thread; I was honestly just curious what everyone else thinks.

Fair enough, interesting stuff.
I'm not supposed to get too personal with people on the forum ( 😢 ), so I'll leave it at that.

There's just one more superpower you've got there.🙂
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#26 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:Not necessarily. You could just look at a situation like that as motivation to finally walk away from a bad relationship, for instance.

I really can't stand possessiveness in any form, though I don't have any issues with being deeply connected. People are just wired differently, I suppose.

Plus, I don't think you even have real love without that irrational element involved.
It’s not about being logical.
hollowpuma762 hollowpuma762 Active Member
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#27 ·
swiftdrifter4 said:I wasn't sure if this belongs under spirituality or psychology—if it needs to be moved to psychology, feel free to relocate it.
It hit me recently just how narrow most people's perspectives are when they face life events. They tend to view everything through this incredibly tiny lens, immediately labeling situations as strictly "good" or "bad." Take infidelity, for example. Most people see being cheated on as an absolute disaster—a total negative. They spend their time cursing their partner and feeling like they wasted years of their life on someone who didn't value them. It becomes this constant, looping thought in their head. It’s usually only much later, after some time has passed, that their perspective actually widens. They might eventually see that betrayal as the opening they needed to find someone actually worth their time. Or maybe they realize it’s a chance to finally focus on themselves—picking up a new hobby or developing a skill they ignored for years. You could apply this to pretty much any situation, whether it seems major or minor (though "major" is always a matter of opinion). You never truly know where certain turns or decisions will lead you... yet people act like they "know" exactly what a situation means for them right from the start.
What do you all think is the reason for this?


The reason for what exactly?

1) Looking at things from just one angle?

- Limited perception.

2) Having more perspectives?

- Expanding perception by absorbing new experiences.

3) ?
swiftdrifter4 swiftdrifter4 MemberOP
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#28 ·
hollowpuma762 said:The reason for what exactly?

1) Looking at things from just one angle?

- Limited perception.

2) Having more perspectives?

- Expanding perception by absorbing new experiences.

3) ?

Well, there you go—you've already got that multi-perspective mindset since you're actually digging into the reasoning behind my question from several different angles.🙂
Roger Kern16 Roger Kern16 Member
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#29 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:Plus, I don't think you even have real love without that irrational element involved.
It’s not about being logical.

But wouldn't it be more logical to say that true love is something where you're so certain of its authenticity that you don't feel this desperate, clawing need to hold onto it?
To me, being possessive is just proof that the connection either isn't there, it's too weak, or it’s just straight-up pathological...
Peter Murphy6 Peter Murphy6 Active Member
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#30 ·
swiftdrifter4 said:There's just one more superpower you've got there.🙂

Why though?
swiftdrifter4 swiftdrifter4 MemberOP
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#31 ·
Peter Murphy6 said:Why though?

I'm guessing you view "negative" emotions as teachers—that you see both sides of every feeling, making the labels positive or negative pretty much meaningless.
Take fear, for example... you could see it as a cage that keeps you stuck and drags you down into a depression, or you could see it as a nudge—a challenge meant to push you out of your comfort zone and get you moving.
Peter Murphy6 Peter Murphy6 Active Member
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#32 ·
swiftdrifter4 said:I'm guessing you view "negative" emotions as teachers—that you see both sides of every feeling, making the labels positive or negative pretty much meaningless.
Take fear, for example... you could see it as a cage that keeps you stuck and drags you down into a depression, or you could see it as a nudge—a challenge meant to push you out of your comfort zone and get you moving.

I look at the whole damn universe and everything in it as one big teacher.
So, why exactly is that considered a superpower?
And "possession"—now that's another interesting word, depending on how you use it.
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#33 ·
Peter Murphy6 said:I look at the whole damn universe and everything in it as one big teacher.
So, why exactly is that considered a superpower?
And "possession"—now that's another interesting word, depending on how you use it.

Well, from where I’m sitting, that’s a superpower because an attitude like that lets you navigate life a bit more smoothly—it keeps negative emotions from running the show. I don't think many people actually look at emotions that way. For instance... most people, when they feel fear, their first instinct is just to run away from it rather than stopping to ask why it's there or what it's trying to tell them.
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#34 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:Luck or Bad Luck

An old man and his son were working on their ranch out in Montana. They had just one horse to their name. One day, that horse broke loose and ran off.
“That’s terrible!” the neighbors would say, shaking their heads. “What a disaster!”
“Is it luck? Is it bad luck? Honestly, who can say?” the old man would simply reply.

The following week, the horse wandered back from the mountains, bringing five wild mares along with him.
“Now that is some serious luck!” the neighbors shouted.
“Luck? Bad luck? Who knows?” the old man replied.

A day later, while trying to break in one of those new mares, the son fell hard and broke his leg.
“What a misfortune!” the neighbors lamented.
“Luck? Or bad luck?” the old man asked.

Then war broke out. The army rolled through town and drafted all the healthy young men. Since the starčev son was injured and couldn't serve, they left him behind.
“Luck? Or bad luck?”


Once there was a king who lived for the hunt. One day, he headed out into the woods with his retinue to track some wild deer. After wandering through the brush for a while, the king and his crew spotted a buck standing in a clearing. One of the servants got flustered—his finger slipped, the gun went off, and by some stroke of terrible luck, the king took a bullet right in his right thumb. Once they made it back to the castle and the king had recovered, he issued a single command: bring him the servant responsible for costing him his thumb through such sheer stupidity...

"Do you have anything to say for yourself before I hand down your sentence?" the King asked.

The lackey gets a little too bold and replies with a humble shrug: "Look, Your Majesty—even if I did cost you an arm and a leg—I have to tell you, you honestly never know what's actually worth having..."

The King lost his mind—furious beyond belief—and sentenced the servant to life in prison. Some time passed before the King headed back out into the woods for a hunt with his entourage. While trekking through the forest, they were ambushed by a tribe of cannibals. The savages snatched up all of the King's attendants, leaving him alone. However, they let the King go once they noticed he was missing a finger—apparently, they took it as a bad omen... So, the King retreated to his estate and immediately ordered that the servant be dragged straight out of the dungeon.

"When those cannibals finally spared my life, I remembered what you told me. You were right—dead on. I need to ask for your forgiveness, and in return, you can name your price," the king said to his servant.

His assistant shot back: “Don’t even worry about apologizing—I’m not asking for anything. Honestly, if you hadn't thrown me in solitary, I probably would've tagged along on that hunt with you... and I’d be dead by now. That cell might have felt like a punishment, but it actually saved my life.”
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#35 ·
Paul Rogers94 said:Once there was a king who lived for the hunt. One day, he headed out into the woods with his retinue to track some wild deer. After wandering through the brush for a while, the king and his crew spotted a buck standing in a clearing. One of the servants got flustered—his finger slipped, the gun went off, and by some stroke of terrible luck, the king took a bullet right in his right thumb. Once they made it back to the castle and the king had recovered, he issued a single command: bring him the servant responsible for costing him his thumb through such sheer stupidity...

"Do you have anything to say for yourself before I hand down your sentence?" the King asked.

The lackey gets a little too bold and replies with a humble shrug: "Look, Your Majesty—even if I did cost you an arm and a leg—I have to tell you, you honestly never know what's actually worth having..."

The King lost his mind—furious beyond belief—and sentenced the servant to life in prison. Some time passed before the King headed back out into the woods for a hunt with his entourage. While trekking through the forest, they were ambushed by a tribe of cannibals. The savages snatched up all of the King's attendants, leaving him alone. However, they let the King go once they noticed he was missing a finger—apparently, they took it as a bad omen... So, the King retreated to his estate and immediately ordered that the servant be dragged straight out of the dungeon.

"When those cannibals finally spared my life, I remembered what you told me. You were right—dead on. I need to ask for your forgiveness, and in return, you can name your price," the king said to his servant.

His assistant shot back: “Don’t even worry about apologizing—I’m not asking for anything. Honestly, if you hadn't thrown me in solitary, I probably would've tagged along on that hunt with you... and I’d be dead by now. That cell might have felt like a punishment, but it actually saved my life.”

I have to ask—where did this story come from?
Peter Murphy6 Peter Murphy6 Active Member
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#36 ·
swiftdrifter4 said:Well, from where I’m sitting, that’s a superpower because an attitude like that lets you navigate life a bit more smoothly—it keeps negative emotions from running the show. I don't think many people actually look at emotions that way. For instance... most people, when they feel fear, their first instinct is just to run away from it rather than stopping to ask why it's there or what it's trying to tell them.

But is being driven by positive emotions actually easier?

That mindset definitely has a flip side, though—what do you think makes it "negative"?

Where could it actually make things harder instead of helping?
Paul Rogers94 Paul Rogers94 Active Member
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#37 ·
I haven't the slightest clue

My memory is a bit hazy—it feels like I first heard about her at some Mao Zedong rally—so I decided to do a quick Google search. I typed in "king and cannibals" 🙂
Peter Murphy6 Peter Murphy6 Active Member
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#38 ·
These two stories are a total quality addition to the 🎉
thread.
swiftdrifter4 swiftdrifter4 MemberOP
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#39 ·
Peter Murphy6 said:But is being driven by positive emotions actually easier?

That mindset definitely has a flip side, though—what do you think makes it "negative"?

Where could it actually make things harder instead of helping?

It’s a relief if it helps you maintain a more optimistic view of reality—but it becomes a burden if you start clinging to those fleeting "positive" highs, especially since they aren't permanent. Honestly, the easiest path would be to ditch the need for control altogether, but let's face it—not everyone is at that level yet.
Peter Murphy6 Peter Murphy6 Active Member
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#40 ·
swiftdrifter4 said:It’s a relief if it helps you maintain a more optimistic view of reality—but it becomes a burden if you start clinging to those fleeting "positive" highs, especially since they aren't permanent. Honestly, the easiest path would be to ditch the need for control altogether, but let's face it—not everyone is at that level yet.

Interesting take—I like how you tied all that together.

My other two questions were actually about viewing emotions as just... emotions. Not labeling them as "positive" or "negative," just raw feeling.

Being controlled by "positive" emotions is pretty much the same thing as being controlled by "negative" ones.
At the end of the day, you're still just being driven by an emotion.

So, how exactly does it make having a more positive view of reality any easier?

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