Thoughts on the right wing?

So, let’s take a moment to revisit the reality that Nazism and fascism aren't actually right-wing ideologies at all; they’re firmly rooted in the left, sitting right alongside Stalinism, and the entire historical conflict was basically just a massive collision between national socialism and international communism.
It’s also pretty easy to spot the patterns in how both sides operated and settled their scores—they were just so incredibly "humanitarian," "tolerant," and "progressive" toward their opponents, especially when it came to crushing anyone who simply had the audacity to think differently.
Just look at the prosperity and well-being of every single Country that fell into the socialist pit and see how those stories always end.

The bottom line is that the left serves as a total beacon of hypocrisy, lies, and semantic gymnastics.
Every single one of their social experiments has inevitably spiraled into a dictatorship characterized by massive loss of life, leaving the average citizen to rot in poverty and misery while the party elites live in absolute luxury.
Even here in America, our own leftists spend their time dreaming about moving to Germany or maybe Ireland or the UK.
It’s funny how nobody seems to have any sentimental attachment to Cuba, Venezuela, or North Korea.
Honestly, being a leftist feels like a genuine psychological disorder, which becomes particularly dangerous when they actually get the chance to put their theories into practice in the real world.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea if we stuck to psychology on this subforum instead of getting bogged down in historical and political debates. What really upsets people—and why this thread was even started—isn't these specific historical figures (they have their own dedicated threads), but rather the people we share our living spaces with (and the internet) who push all sorts of crazy theories and extreme solutions. Modern leftists are often criticized for being too sexually permissive, specifically for their uncritical acceptance of homosexuality, transsexuality, gender identity, and basically any sexual practice involving consenting adults, no matter what it is. So, bringing up Che Guevara's alleged homophobia feels like passive-aggression to me—kind of an attempt to dodge a direct clash of opinions by using minor jabs that aren't even particularly relevant to the topic at hand.

I've been running into this argument quite a lot lately, usually from people who don't really understand how either of these political movements actually formed. That claim might even hold water if we're talking about political parties and prominent figures on the daily news cycle—getting into politics is a job just like any other, and it attracts people driven by a desire for money and influence. In those cases, their ideological stance is basically just surface-level charm typical of certain personality disorders.

However, when it comes to a genuine desire to shape society, the motivations of people on the left and the right differ drastically. It isn't enough to just look at the horizontal spectrum, though; you also have to add the vertical "authoritarian vs. anti-authoritarian" axis. That gives us the famous political quadrants, representing the four fundamental political orientations. Where someone lands in a quadrant reflects their vision of an "ideal world." Since those four visions are wildly different, it's reasonable to assume they stem from very different personality traits. And that's really what we're trying to discuss here.

You know, it strikes me that the person who started this thread was being somewhat passive-aggressive right from the jump, since they immediately singled out conservatives as a group that needs to be banned and labeled as mentally unstable or sick. If they had just said we should ban extremists from both ends of the political spectrum, well, fine, I could get behind that, but it really feels like their intention was to take a swipe exclusively at conservatives.

Just as an example

Conservatives believe in a flat Earth, or maybe a hollow one, they think vaccines are used to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and all sorts of other nonsense.

I guess Men might actually believe in that nonsense more than conservatives do 😬 especially when it comes to the whole vaccine and autism thing.

I've been running into this specific argument quite frequently lately, and most of the time it's coming from people who don't really understand the origins of either political movement. To be fair, the claim is actually somewhat accurate if we are talking about political parties and the prominent figures on the daily news cycle—pursuing politics is a job just like any other, and it tends to attract people with a very strong desire for money and influence, while the ideological foundation of their involvement can sometimes feel as superficial as the charm typical of individuals with certain personality disorders.

However, when you look at the genuine desire to reshape society in a particular way, the motivations for people on the left and the right differ drastically. I suppose it isn't enough to just look at that simple left-right divide; you also have to factor in the vertical axis of authoritarianism versus anti-authoritarianism, which gives us those famous political quadrants representing the four fundamental orientations. Someone's position within a specific quadrant reflects their vision of an "ideal world." Since those four visions are so vastly different, it seems reasonable to assume that they are driven by different personality traits. And that, I think, is exactly what we are trying to discuss here.

Using the "quadrants" thing is really just a more polite way of saying the exact same crap in different packaging.

Churchill once said—if you aren't a liberal in your youth, you have no heart; but if you aren't a conservative in your old age, you have no brain.

I don't really believe that personality traits have such a massive impact on one's political stances, per se. It seems to me that things like upbringing, tradition, and life experience play a much larger role in shaping who we are.

Quote : The Pew Research Center has conducted two surveys that asked about vaccination. One survey in early 2015 asked respondents about whether they thought vaccines were safe, and another survey in late 2014 asked respondents about U.S. vaccination policy and whether vaccination for children should be required or a parent’s choice.

When you start looking at how those Pew survey responses align with people's political leanings, I think you'll notice a pretty fascinating divergence. It seems that the further someone leans toward either the conservative or the liberal side of the spectrum, the more likely they might be to harbor doubts about vaccine safety.

I was actually quite intrigued to see which side is more extreme—the right or the left—so I did a quick Google search and found this article, which honestly just seems to confirm that both sides are essentially cut from the same cloth.

Kenneth Cruz67 said:You know, it strikes me that the person who started this thread was being somewhat passive-aggressive right from the jump, since they immediately singled out conservatives as a group that needs to be banned and labeled as mentally unstable or sick. If they had just said we should ban extremists from both ends of the political spectrum, well, fine, I could get behind that, but it really feels like their intention was to take a swipe exclusively at conservatives.

Just as an example

Conservatives believe in a flat Earth, or maybe a hollow one, they think vaccines are used to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and all sorts of other nonsense.

I guess Men might actually believe in that nonsense more than conservatives do 😬 especially when it comes to the whole vaccine and autism thing.

I've been running into this specific argument quite frequently lately, and most of the time it's coming from people who don't really understand the origins of either political movement. To be fair, the claim is actually somewhat accurate if we are talking about political parties and the prominent figures on the daily news cycle—pursuing politics is a job just like any other, and it tends to attract people with a very strong desire for money and influence, while the ideological foundation of their involvement can sometimes feel as superficial as the charm typical of individuals with certain personality disorders.

However, when you look at the genuine desire to reshape society in a particular way, the motivations for people on the left and the right differ drastically. I suppose it isn't enough to just look at that simple left-right divide; you also have to factor in the vertical axis of authoritarianism versus anti-authoritarianism, which gives us those famous political quadrants representing the four fundamental orientations. Someone's position within a specific quadrant reflects their vision of an "ideal world." Since those four visions are so vastly different, it seems reasonable to assume that they are driven by different personality traits. And that, I think, is exactly what we are trying to discuss here.

Using the "quadrants" thing is really just a more polite way of saying the exact same crap in different packaging.

Churchill once said—if you aren't a liberal in your youth, you have no heart; but if you aren't a conservative in your old age, you have no brain.

I don't really believe that personality traits have such a massive impact on one's political stances, per se. It seems to me that things like upbringing, tradition, and life experience play a much larger role in shaping who we are.

Quote : The Pew Research Center has conducted two surveys that asked about vaccination. One survey in early 2015 asked respondents about whether they thought vaccines were safe, and another survey in late 2014 asked respondents about U.S. vaccination policy and whether vaccination for children should be required or a parent’s choice.

When you start looking at how those Pew survey responses align with people's political leanings, I think you'll notice a pretty fascinating divergence. It seems that the further someone leans toward either the conservative or the liberal side of the spectrum, the more likely they might be to harbor doubts about vaccine safety.

I was actually quite intrigued to see which side is more extreme—the right or the left—so I did a quick Google search and found this article, which honestly just seems to confirm that both sides are essentially cut from the same cloth.

Believe it or not, this kind of thinking is pretty classic for someone in the upper right quadrant. 😁

hollowtrucker77 said:So, let’s take a moment to revisit the reality that Nazism and fascism aren't actually right-wing ideologies at all; they’re firmly rooted in the left, sitting right alongside Stalinism, and the entire historical conflict was basically just a massive collision between national socialism and international communism.
It’s also pretty easy to spot the patterns in how both sides operated and settled their scores—they were just so incredibly "humanitarian," "tolerant," and "progressive" toward their opponents, especially when it came to crushing anyone who simply had the audacity to think differently.
Just look at the prosperity and well-being of every single Country that fell into the socialist pit and see how those stories always end.

The bottom line is that the left serves as a total beacon of hypocrisy, lies, and semantic gymnastics.
Every single one of their social experiments has inevitably spiraled into a dictatorship characterized by massive loss of life, leaving the average citizen to rot in poverty and misery while the party elites live in absolute luxury.
Even here in America, our own leftists spend their time dreaming about moving to Germany or maybe Ireland or the UK.
It’s funny how nobody seems to have any sentimental attachment to Cuba, Venezuela, or North Korea.
Honestly, being a leftist feels like a genuine psychological disorder, which becomes particularly dangerous when they actually get the chance to put their theories into practice in the real world.

Now, this is typical of the lower right. 😁

So, how exactly do people actually shift their political perspectives? I mean, what's the real reason behind everyone swinging from one side of the aisle to the other?

If our political leanings were strictly tied to our core personality traits, then I suppose we’d only see shifts in those truly extreme cases—you know, maybe after someone suffers a stroke or ends up with a literal screwdriver stuck in their frontal lobe. But, as we all pretty much know, that isn't really how things work in the real world.

darksurfer4 said:Ever since I first became aware of my own consciousness, I’ve harbored a deep-seated distaste for the right wing; I have always viewed them as fundamentally bad, even malicious people. Yet, driven by the philosophical notion that one should strive to understand those they disagree with, I eventually began engaging in discussions with them. I started noticing them in grocery stores, flipping through the pages of Time Magazine. I began browsing those same magazines myself, specifically to attempt to decipher the inner workings of their minds. After some time, however, my perception shifted; I no longer see them as mere political opponents, but rather primarily as mentally ill individuals.🎉🎉

During my debates with these types, I’ve been met with truly staggering claims regarding the former state—claims that, through extensive reading and dialogue with others, I have confirmed have absolutely zero connection to reality. This spans everything from the starvation crises of the 70s and 80s to the concentration camps used against Americans.☕ In that same Time Magazine, I actually read a claim that Milorad Pupovac is orchestrating a genocide against Americans in coordination with the cultural organization "Prosvjeta"🤦—a genocide supposedly funded by tax dollars from the American federal budget.🤣

Let’s step outside our beautiful...

Back in 1996, a certain American right-winger bombed a government building in Oklahoma City because he was convinced the administration was plotting a coup against the American people.🤦

Across the Atlantic Ocean, a right-winger committed an even more heinous act—I am, of course, referring to Andreas Breivik. That maniac slaughtered about 60 people, mostly very young individuals, all because he believed he was protecting Norway from Islamic terrorists.🤦

Speaking of Islamic terrorists, while they stem from a different cultural sphere, from where I sit, they seem to fall under the umbrella of extreme right-wing ideology.

Take Poland, for instance; they were once led by those two idiot twin brothers, one of whom died in a plane crash. One of those twin idiots, leading the nation at the time, was traveling to commemorate crimes in the Katyn Forest. They were supposed to land at the airport in Smolensk, but air traffic control diverted them toward Minsk due to heavy fog over Smolensk. But that was when right-wing paranoia kicked in; the paranoid leader convinced himself the fog was a Russian conspiracy and ordered the landing, which resulted in his death and the deaths of everyone else on that plane.

Right-wingers believe the Earth is flat—hollow, or whatever version of that nonsense—they believe vaccines are a deliberate way to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and they sink into all sorts of other idiocy.

It is fascinating how some people drift toward the right as they age; it seems that as the body and mind decay, people gravitate toward right-wing waters. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac. The case of Franjo Harmon is particularly interesting because of his brain tumor; one could argue the tumor itself caused his shift toward the extreme right.🤔

The ultimate point I am making is that membership in right-wing groups and parties should be classified as a mental disorder, and consequently, such individuals should be barred from participating in elections. It would be somewhat similar to what happened with homosexuality, which was once categorized as a mental illness.

Your thread has been flagged for hate speech.

It’s funny how the right is always painted as narrow-minded—when reality suggests the exact opposite? Some people on the left simply cannot stomach a differing opinion.

Bold. 😲

Kenneth Cruz67 said:So, how exactly do people actually shift their political perspectives? I mean, what's the real reason behind everyone swinging from one side of the aisle to the other?

If our political leanings were strictly tied to our core personality traits, then I suppose we’d only see shifts in those truly extreme cases—you know, maybe after someone suffers a stroke or ends up with a literal screwdriver stuck in their frontal lobe. But, as we all pretty much know, that isn't really how things work in the real world.

People evolve; the brain is neuroplastic, after all. The formation of our beliefs isn't just about how we were raised or our traditions; there are countless social influences at play. Someone who is more susceptible to outside influence or driven by external motivations will likely drift across the political spectrum much more than someone defined by a certain stubbornness. As individuals, we have inherent inclinations that pull us toward specific worldviews, but you can't ignore the "meme transfer" effect—those two forces are constantly interacting, and they play a huge role in one's personal stability. So, rather than pinning a diagnosis on conservatives like Nosonja_ did, I’d say it’s more accurate to look at anyone who shifts their convictions whenever the wind changes direction. It’s actually quite interesting that you brought up Churchill, who struggled with depression; I suspect his quote is a direct reflection of those long-standing mental health battles.

To be clear, that doesn't mean I view people with (or who should have) certain diagnoses as less valuable, less capable, or somehow inferior to those without them. There is absolutely no reason to hate someone because of it, and if I judge by their previous posts, it seems Nosonja_ feels the same way.

Joseph Bailey41 said:People evolve; the brain is neuroplastic, after all. The formation of our beliefs isn't just about how we were raised or our traditions; there are countless social influences at play. Someone who is more susceptible to outside influence or driven by external motivations will likely drift across the political spectrum much more than someone defined by a certain stubbornness. As individuals, we have inherent inclinations that pull us toward specific worldviews, but you can't ignore the "meme transfer" effect—those two forces are constantly interacting, and they play a huge role in one's personal stability. So, rather than pinning a diagnosis on conservatives like Nosonja_ did, I’d say it’s more accurate to look at anyone who shifts their convictions whenever the wind changes direction. It’s actually quite interesting that you brought up Churchill, who struggled with depression; I suspect his quote is a direct reflection of those long-standing mental health battles.

To be clear, that doesn't mean I view people with (or who should have) certain diagnoses as less valuable, less capable, or somehow inferior to those without them. There is absolutely no reason to hate someone because of it, and if I judge by their previous posts, it seems Nosonja_ feels the same way.

Oh, absolutely, a whole mountain of different factors influences political stances beyond just upbringing, tradition, or your immediate environment. But I guess that doesn't really validate your original point that everything boils down strictly to personality traits.

As for Churchill, people love to attribute manic disorders, bipolarity, or depression to him, but honestly, most of that is just common myth and isn't even true.

Besides, when Hitler rolls over France in just twenty days and traps 300,000 of your soldiers within a tiny area, it’s only logical that you wouldn't exactly be in a fantastic mood.

Or take his blunder at Gallipoli where 120,000 people lost their lives. Being in a foul mood after an event like that isn't exactly definitive proof of clinical depression, I guess. 🤣

feralpilot0 said:Your thread has been flagged for hate speech.

It’s funny how the right is always painted as narrow-minded—when reality suggests the exact opposite? Some people on the left simply cannot stomach a differing opinion.

Bold. 😲

From what I've been picking up so far, the left side is actually way more intolerant than—dare I say—even the extreme right.

The moderate left is basically a ghost at this point, which is why I stopped giving them any of my support.

Am I totally off base here? 🙂

So, I happened to stumble upon this "political compass" quiz today

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/en

Here’s what my results turned out to be!



😛

Joseph Bailey41 said:Believe it or not, this kind of thinking is pretty classic for someone in the upper right quadrant. 😁

Now, this is typical of the lower right. 😁

Trolling someone over established facts just shows you can't handle reality.

Bradley Nelson2 said:Trolling someone over established facts just shows you can't handle reality.

Established facts? What kind of facts are we talking about—the ones from Catholic Charities? 🤔

Kenneth Cruz67 said:So, how exactly do people actually shift their political perspectives? I mean, what's the real reason behind everyone swinging from one side of the aisle to the other?

If our political leanings were strictly tied to our core personality traits, then I suppose we’d only see shifts in those truly extreme cases—you know, maybe after someone suffers a stroke or ends up with a literal screwdriver stuck in their frontal lobe. But, as we all pretty much know, that isn't really how things work in the real world.

How many people truly possess a deep understanding of politics? Most people base their political opinions on sensationalist news headlines and personal experiences, which are inherently subjective. Some individuals take a more rational approach, while others are driven by emotion, just as they are in all other matters. Everyone is susceptible to media influence and manipulation. While certain individuals are naturally inclined toward extremism, the majority of Americans tend to hover closer to the center than to the fringes.

The motivations for engaging in politics vary widely, and self-interest often outweighs true ideals. This explains why professional politicians frequently switch parties or stances whenever it suits them. For everyone else, changing an opinion is quite easy when the right media influence is applied, especially if they don't hold strong convictions on specific issues.

It is always a double-edged sword.

Political correctness is intended to foster a more tolerant society, yet we frequently observe the opposite effect. Under the pressure of political correctness, some individuals actually become significantly more conservative.

Ronald Fisher3 said:From what I've been picking up so far, the left side is actually way more intolerant than—dare I say—even the extreme right.

The moderate left is basically a ghost at this point, which is why I stopped giving them any of my support.

Am I totally off base here? 🙂

Not at all—you're just watching a masterclass in "tolerance" jumping down people's throats, which is more impressive than any Olympic sport.
Just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.

mistybison said:How many people truly possess a deep understanding of politics? Most people base their political opinions on sensationalist news headlines and personal experiences, which are inherently subjective. Some individuals take a more rational approach, while others are driven by emotion, just as they are in all other matters. Everyone is susceptible to media influence and manipulation. While certain individuals are naturally inclined toward extremism, the majority of Americans tend to hover closer to the center than to the fringes.

The motivations for engaging in politics vary widely, and self-interest often outweighs true ideals. This explains why professional politicians frequently switch parties or stances whenever it suits them. For everyone else, changing an opinion is quite easy when the right media influence is applied, especially if they don't hold strong convictions on specific issues.

It is always a double-edged sword.

Political correctness is intended to foster a more tolerant society, yet we frequently observe the opposite effect. Under the pressure of political correctness, some individuals actually become significantly more conservative.

The whole point of political correctness is to stigmatize conservatives who stick to plain English. They invent new terms and jargon just so they can discriminate against anyone who refuses to adopt the modern left-liberal vocabulary. It’s basically a verbal crime punishable by social exile—something they haven't managed to codify into law across the US and other Western nations yet. But give them time. They're getting there.

mistybison said:How many people truly possess a deep understanding of politics? Most people base their political opinions on sensationalist news headlines and personal experiences, which are inherently subjective. Some individuals take a more rational approach, while others are driven by emotion, just as they are in all other matters. Everyone is susceptible to media influence and manipulation. While certain individuals are naturally inclined toward extremism, the majority of Americans tend to hover closer to the center than to the fringes.

The motivations for engaging in politics vary widely, and self-interest often outweighs true ideals. This explains why professional politicians frequently switch parties or stances whenever it suits them. For everyone else, changing an opinion is quite easy when the right media influence is applied, especially if they don't hold strong convictions on specific issues.

It is always a double-edged sword.

Political correctness is intended to foster a more tolerant society, yet we frequently observe the opposite effect. Under the pressure of political correctness, some individuals actually become significantly more conservative.

Well, congratulations! You've basically discovered water is wet. 👍

Bradley Nelson2 said:The whole point of political correctness is to stigmatize conservatives who stick to plain English. They invent new terms and jargon just so they can discriminate against anyone who refuses to adopt the modern left-liberal vocabulary. It’s basically a verbal crime punishable by social exile—something they haven't managed to codify into law across the US and other Western nations yet. But give them time. They're getting there.

That's an interesting theory. ☕

Has anyone actually bullied or discriminated against you just because you wouldn't use certain buzzwords? 🤔

Joseph Bailey41 said:That's an interesting theory. ☕

Has anyone actually bullied or discriminated against you just because you wouldn't use certain buzzwords? 🤔

In my experience, people don't really get targeted for what they *don't* say, but rather for using certain terms that might be perfectly accurate and appropriate yet happen to be considered politically incorrect.

Maybe try to focus a little bit more; I guess you don't always have to be Flying 😁

Kenneth Cruz67 said:In my experience, people don't really get targeted for what they *don't* say, but rather for using certain terms that might be perfectly accurate and appropriate yet happen to be considered politically incorrect.

Maybe try to focus a little bit more; I guess you don't always have to be Flying 😁

I took his post quite differently—it felt more like someone was calling him out for not wanting to stick to politically correct terms, like using "African American," for example. But honestly, it might be best if Bradley Nelson2 just clarifies what he actually meant.

Joseph Bailey41 said:I took his post quite differently—it felt more like someone was calling him out for not wanting to stick to politically correct terms, like using "African American," for example. But honestly, it might be best if Bradley Nelson2 just clarifies what he actually meant.

Are you suggesting that people are being picked on simply because they refer to Black people as Black?🤷

feralpilot0 said:Not at all—you're just watching a masterclass in "tolerance" jumping down people's throats, which is more impressive than any Olympic sport.
Just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.

Popcorn and Eva Green... now we're talking. 🙂