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Ronald Fisher3 Ronald Fisher3 Member
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#61 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:Personally, I think it’s a bit tough to have a serious discussion about things we don't really understand, so I’d rather just stick to what I've actually lived through.

If you're looking for deep dives into strategy games, at least we have the Politics subforum over there. 😁

Yeah, the topic is definitely in the wrong place, I'll give you that. 🙂

Look, I get where you're coming from, but I wouldn't say I'm totally clueless here. I've been lurking on American forums for years now—I've been following all this stuff for at least a decade. Around here, these kinds of debates are just starting to pick up. Am I some kind of expert? No. But am I informed enough to have an opinion? Absolutely. 🙂

And since we're talking "personal experiences," let me throw in my two cents: in my book, most of those hardcore right-wingers are way too rigid for my taste, while the leftists have pretty much completely lost their compass.

I’d say I lean toward the middle, but the middle has always been... well, kind of bland to me. Nothing special, nothing intense.
Paul Chase95 Paul Chase95 Active Member
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#62 ·
I have to admit, I’ve never actually heard anyone float this theory about Mexicans being behind the wildfires. Usually, the conversation revolves around random pyromaniacs or just tourists being careless with their campfires, but blaming Mexicans? Honestly, that’s a new one for me.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#63 ·
Ronald Fisher3 said:I'm with you. All of this holds up, from Sweden all the way to Canada. I've been watching this play out for years now. The left has gone completely off the deep end. It’s reached a point where they’re finding ways to ignore fundamental biology and dismantle everything that has provided social cohesion until now. No matter what that cohesion was built on.

There's basically zero chance the average Westerner is going to ditch freedom and individualism. Most of the new right-wing platforms are pretty weak—mostly just paranoid nonsense about alien invasions or whatever—and even if they weren't, people just self-censor. They're too scared of being labeled fascists to actually own their views. It's mass psychology at work. Honestly, nothing much will change because politics and the global order are ultimately driven by the market and tech.
If you look at it objectively, the typical citizen in the West—especially in places like Canada or Northern Europe—is arguably the most evolutionarily advanced version of Homo sapiens. And that's largely thanks to liberal democracy.
The real question is... where do we fit into all this? If you look at the psychological games politicians play with the public, it's all just total fake news.
Ronald Fisher3 Ronald Fisher3 Member
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#64 ·
Paul Chase95 said:I have to admit, I’ve never actually heard anyone float this theory about Mexicans being behind the wildfires. Usually, the conversation revolves around random pyromaniacs or just tourists being careless with their campfires, but blaming Mexicans? Honestly, that’s a new one for me.

Look, if you went door-to-door conducting polls, you'd hear just about anything—from aliens to secret agents from overseas 🙂 You can't be shocked by every wild conspiracy out there. The real question is whether this is actually a widespread belief held by any significant group, or God forbid, the majority. And personally? I don't think so.

The fact that some far-right nutjob over there is pointing the finger at Mexicans isn't exactly a system-shattering revelation.
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#65 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:There's basically zero chance the average Westerner is going to ditch freedom and individualism. Most of the new right-wing platforms are pretty weak—mostly just paranoid nonsense about alien invasions or whatever—and even if they weren't, people just self-censor. They're too scared of being labeled fascists to actually own their views. It's mass psychology at work. Honestly, nothing much will change because politics and the global order are ultimately driven by the market and tech.
If you look at it objectively, the typical citizen in the West—especially in places like Canada or Northern Europe—is arguably the most evolutionarily advanced version of Homo sapiens. And that's largely thanks to liberal democracy.
The real question is... where do we fit into all this? If you look at the psychological games politicians play with the public, it's all just total fake news.

So, Westerners are evolutionarily superior? Haha, really? Based on what? It actually seems to me that they might be the least adapted, because I imagine they wouldn't last three days without modern infrastructure, whereas maybe a Mongol could survive just about anywhere you dropped them.
Ronald Fisher3 Ronald Fisher3 Member
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#66 ·
Westerners are somehow evolutionarily superior. Lol.

Yeah, honestly? I have to admit, I’m not really buying that statement either. Can you actually unpack that a bit, George Orwell? Like, what's the logic there? Why on earth do you think that's the case?
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#67 ·
It’s all about the system.
I already laid out my reasoning.

Why would anyone actually want an authoritative government? That's the question.

..well, it's what the conservatives are pushing for—and honestly, the psychology behind it is pretty fascinating because certain types of people just gravitate toward those specific ideas.
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Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#68 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:It’s all about the system.
I already laid out my reasoning.

Why would anyone actually want an authoritative government? That's the question.

..well, it's what the conservatives are pushing for—and honestly, the psychology behind it is pretty fascinating because certain types of people just gravitate toward those specific ideas.
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I’m not quite sure I follow how you're linking authoritarianism specifically to the right wing here. I guess it could go either way, since you can certainly have leftists who are quite authoritarian while many on the right might actually lean more towards libertarianism.🤷
placidorca16 placidorca16 Active Member
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#69 ·
darksurfer4 said:Ever since I first became aware of my own consciousness, I’ve harbored a deep-seated distaste for the right wing; I have always viewed them as fundamentally bad, even malicious people. Yet, driven by the philosophical notion that one should strive to understand those they disagree with, I eventually began engaging in discussions with them. I started noticing them in grocery stores, flipping through the pages of Time Magazine. I began browsing those same magazines myself, specifically to attempt to decipher the inner workings of their minds. After some time, however, my perception shifted; I no longer see them as mere political opponents, but rather primarily as mentally ill individuals.🎉🎉

During my debates with these types, I’ve been met with truly staggering claims regarding the former state—claims that, through extensive reading and dialogue with others, I have confirmed have absolutely zero connection to reality. This spans everything from the starvation crises of the 70s and 80s to the concentration camps used against Americans.☕ In that same Time Magazine, I actually read a claim that Milorad Pupovac is orchestrating a genocide against Americans in coordination with the cultural organization "Prosvjeta"🤦—a genocide supposedly funded by tax dollars from the American federal budget.🤣

Let’s step outside our beautiful...

Back in 1996, a certain American right-winger bombed a government building in Oklahoma City because he was convinced the administration was plotting a coup against the American people.🤦

Across the Atlantic Ocean, a right-winger committed an even more heinous act—I am, of course, referring to Andreas Breivik. That maniac slaughtered about 60 people, mostly very young individuals, all because he believed he was protecting Norway from Islamic terrorists.🤦

Speaking of Islamic terrorists, while they stem from a different cultural sphere, from where I sit, they seem to fall under the umbrella of extreme right-wing ideology.

Take Poland, for instance; they were once led by those two idiot twin brothers, one of whom died in a plane crash. One of those twin idiots, leading the nation at the time, was traveling to commemorate crimes in the Katyn Forest. They were supposed to land at the airport in Smolensk, but air traffic control diverted them toward Minsk due to heavy fog over Smolensk. But that was when right-wing paranoia kicked in; the paranoid leader convinced himself the fog was a Russian conspiracy and ordered the landing, which resulted in his death and the deaths of everyone else on that plane.

Right-wingers believe the Earth is flat—hollow, or whatever version of that nonsense—they believe vaccines are a deliberate way to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and they sink into all sorts of other idiocy.

It is fascinating how some people drift toward the right as they age; it seems that as the body and mind decay, people gravitate toward right-wing waters. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac. The case of Franjo Harmon is particularly interesting because of his brain tumor; one could argue the tumor itself caused his shift toward the extreme right.🤔

The ultimate point I am making is that membership in right-wing groups and parties should be classified as a mental disorder, and consequently, such individuals should be barred from participating in elections. It would be somewhat similar to what happened with homosexuality, which was once categorized as a mental illness.

I don't necessarily see them as mentally ill—they're just regular people to me—but I do see them as malicious. It stems from their core belief that they can purge certain groups—based on race, nationality, religion, or even gender—from specific territories or even off the face of the Earth, simply because they think they're "superior."🙄 They'll use any means necessary to get there, often advocating for, or outright using, violence and destructive tactics. Personally, I find that entire mindset terrifying and completely unacceptable.😠

The right wing believes in a flat earth—hollow, maybe?—thinks vaccines are a plot to spread autism, obsesses over chemtrails, and falls for all sorts of other nonsense.

To me, what they believe isn't the issue—it's when they try to "disprove" scientific facts with their delusions and then attempt to force those delusions on everyone else as "law," all while tearing others down in the process.🙄👎

It's interesting how some people drift toward the right as they age—as if the decline of the body and mind pulls them toward conservatism. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac; the case of Franjo Harmon is particularly curious given his brain tumor, which supposedly pushed him toward the extreme right.🤔

Generally speaking, people tend to become more conservative as they age because they lose flexibility—it's just a biological reality most of the time. But America seems to be an outlier here, as several polls suggest younger generations are actually more conservative than their parents. One could certainly place a bet on why that is.😁

The whole point would be to just label being part of any right-wing group or party as a mental disorder—and then, naturally, bar them from voting altogether. It’s kind of like how homosexuality used to be treated before it was declassified as a disorder.

Of course, that wouldn't be right, and I'm definitely not advocating for it—mostly because that’s exactly what those same right-wingers do anyway: they try to strip dissenters of their right to vote or just ignore human rights entirely. Doing that would just make us look exactly like them.😢
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#70 ·
Kenneth Cruz67 said:I’m not quite sure I follow how you're linking authoritarianism specifically to the right wing here. I guess it could go either way, since you can certainly have leftists who are quite authoritarian while many on the right might actually lean more towards libertarianism.🤷

Let’s look at the right wing as it stands today—basically analyzing Western group psychology.
Mainly in Europe, but also looking at the whole American experiment through the lens of President The Joker.
The theory goes that if you look at what drives conservatives in the States (usually just dollars and more dollars), they eventually start leaning into liberal ideas—even aiming for libertarianism... except there's a catch. Conservative values (especially the far-right ones) just don't square with the core ideals of a liberal society.
Specifically when it comes to individualism and freedom.

Correct me if I missed anything. 😉
restlesssailor3 restlesssailor3 Member
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#71 ·
Right-wing principles are essential to prevent left-wing extremism from taking over.
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 Regular
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#72 ·
placidorca16 said:I don't necessarily see them as mentally ill—they're just regular people to me—but I do see them as malicious. It stems from their core belief that they can purge certain groups—based on race, nationality, religion, or even gender—from specific territories or even off the face of the Earth, simply because they think they're "superior."🙄 They'll use any means necessary to get there, often advocating for, or outright using, violence and destructive tactics. Personally, I find that entire mindset terrifying and completely unacceptable.😠

The right wing believes in a flat earth—hollow, maybe?—thinks vaccines are a plot to spread autism, obsesses over chemtrails, and falls for all sorts of other nonsense.

To me, what they believe isn't the issue—it's when they try to "disprove" scientific facts with their delusions and then attempt to force those delusions on everyone else as "law," all while tearing others down in the process.🙄👎

It's interesting how some people drift toward the right as they age—as if the decline of the body and mind pulls them toward conservatism. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac; the case of Franjo Harmon is particularly curious given his brain tumor, which supposedly pushed him toward the extreme right.🤔

Generally speaking, people tend to become more conservative as they age because they lose flexibility—it's just a biological reality most of the time. But America seems to be an outlier here, as several polls suggest younger generations are actually more conservative than their parents. One could certainly place a bet on why that is.😁

The whole point would be to just label being part of any right-wing group or party as a mental disorder—and then, naturally, bar them from voting altogether. It’s kind of like how homosexuality used to be treated before it was declassified as a disorder.

Of course, that wouldn't be right, and I'm definitely not advocating for it—mostly because that’s exactly what those same right-wingers do anyway: they try to strip dissenters of their right to vote or just ignore human rights entirely. Doing that would just make us look exactly like them.😢

If you haven't heard of the leftists who—driven by that exact same sense of superiority—systematically purged entire groups of people (the bourgeoisie, the wealthy landowners, intellectuals, homosexuals, "enemies of the state," etc.), then you are seriously lacking a basic understanding of 20th-century history.
Or are you going to try and argue that Stalin, Marshall, Mao Zedong, Ceaușescu, Enver Hoxha, Fidel Castro, and Che Guevara were actually right-wingers? 😵
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#73 ·
restlesssailor3 said:Right-wing principles are essential to prevent left-wing extremism from taking over.

The real issue today isn't communists—it's democracy itself.
The Right-wing needs to start at home—basically, fix their own families first (clearly something's broken there... you gotta start with yourself, right?)—instead of trying to force one-party rule and undemocratic vibes onto the government. I mean, what would America want with a Vatican City style setup? That’d be a massive step backward, wouldn't it?!?
Bradley Nelson2 Bradley Nelson2 Active Member
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#74 ·
Thomas Nelson25 said:The real issue today isn't communists—it's democracy itself.
The Right-wing needs to start at home—basically, fix their own families first (clearly something's broken there... you gotta start with yourself, right?)—instead of trying to force one-party rule and undemocratic vibes onto the government. I mean, what would America want with a Vatican City style setup? That’d be a massive step backward, wouldn't it?!?

The problem is people like you who want to crush everyone else, not democracy.

Thomas Nelson25 said:The real issue today isn't communists—it's democracy itself.
The Right-wing needs to start at home—basically, fix their own families first (clearly something's broken there... you gotta start with yourself, right?)—instead of trying to force one-party rule and undemocratic vibes onto the government. I mean, what would America want with a Vatican City style setup? That’d be a massive step backward, wouldn't it?!?

You're the one who needs to start with yourself, clearly.
Is there a psychologist on this board who can weigh in on the clown and the fantasist? What they're saying points to some serious issues.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#75 ·
Sure, go ahead—hit me with an ad hominem since you can't actually answer the point.
Everyone’s entitled to their own worldview, right? No one opinion is more "correct" than another.
Classic democracy.
ironrider11 ironrider11 Regular
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#76 ·
Matthew Castillo5 said:If you haven't heard of the leftists who—driven by that exact same sense of superiority—systematically purged entire groups of people (the bourgeoisie, the wealthy landowners, intellectuals, homosexuals, "enemies of the state," etc.), then you are seriously lacking a basic understanding of 20th-century history.
Or are you going to try and argue that Stalin, Marshall, Mao Zedong, Ceaușescu, Enver Hoxha, Fidel Castro, and Che Guevara were actually right-wingers? 😵

So what, they were just being "tough" (and righteous) for the greater good? 🤔
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 Regular
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#77 ·
ironrider11 said:So what, they were just being "tough" (and righteous) for the greater good? 🤔

Since when does tens of millions of deaths count as a "greater good"? Is someone who orders mass killings suddenly a righteous leader? 🤦

Shouldn't rewriting history books and making excuses for mass atrocities actually be a crime?
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#78 ·
darksurfer4 said:Ever since I first became aware of my own consciousness, I’ve harbored a deep-seated distaste for the right wing; I have always viewed them as fundamentally bad, even malicious people. Yet, driven by the philosophical notion that one should strive to understand those they disagree with, I eventually began engaging in discussions with them. I started noticing them in grocery stores, flipping through the pages of Time Magazine. I began browsing those same magazines myself, specifically to attempt to decipher the inner workings of their minds. After some time, however, my perception shifted; I no longer see them as mere political opponents, but rather primarily as mentally ill individuals.🎉🎉

During my debates with these types, I’ve been met with truly staggering claims regarding the former state—claims that, through extensive reading and dialogue with others, I have confirmed have absolutely zero connection to reality. This spans everything from the starvation crises of the 70s and 80s to the concentration camps used against Americans.☕ In that same Time Magazine, I actually read a claim that Milorad Pupovac is orchestrating a genocide against Americans in coordination with the cultural organization "Prosvjeta"🤦—a genocide supposedly funded by tax dollars from the American federal budget.🤣

Let’s step outside our beautiful...

Back in 1996, a certain American right-winger bombed a government building in Oklahoma City because he was convinced the administration was plotting a coup against the American people.🤦

Across the Atlantic Ocean, a right-winger committed an even more heinous act—I am, of course, referring to Andreas Breivik. That maniac slaughtered about 60 people, mostly very young individuals, all because he believed he was protecting Norway from Islamic terrorists.🤦

Speaking of Islamic terrorists, while they stem from a different cultural sphere, from where I sit, they seem to fall under the umbrella of extreme right-wing ideology.

Take Poland, for instance; they were once led by those two idiot twin brothers, one of whom died in a plane crash. One of those twin idiots, leading the nation at the time, was traveling to commemorate crimes in the Katyn Forest. They were supposed to land at the airport in Smolensk, but air traffic control diverted them toward Minsk due to heavy fog over Smolensk. But that was when right-wing paranoia kicked in; the paranoid leader convinced himself the fog was a Russian conspiracy and ordered the landing, which resulted in his death and the deaths of everyone else on that plane.

Right-wingers believe the Earth is flat—hollow, or whatever version of that nonsense—they believe vaccines are a deliberate way to spread autism, they believe in chemtrails, and they sink into all sorts of other idiocy.

It is fascinating how some people drift toward the right as they age; it seems that as the body and mind decay, people gravitate toward right-wing waters. In America, we have examples like Franjo Harmon and Zdravko Tomac. The case of Franjo Harmon is particularly interesting because of his brain tumor; one could argue the tumor itself caused his shift toward the extreme right.🤔

The ultimate point I am making is that membership in right-wing groups and parties should be classified as a mental disorder, and consequently, such individuals should be barred from participating in elections. It would be somewhat similar to what happened with homosexuality, which was once categorized as a mental illness.

There's actually a precedent for this.

Quoting an article since nobody else seems interested in reading:

Nikita Khrushchev: "A crime is a deviation from generally recognized standards of behavior frequently caused by mental disorder. Can there be diseases, nervous disorders among certain people in a Communist Party? Definitely yes. If that is so, then there will also be offences, which are characteristic of people with abnormal minds. Of those who might start calling for opposition to Communism on this basis, we can say that clearly their mental state is not normal."

Look, if someone's biggest life achievement is just being born into a certain zip code or having some random luck with their parents, neither the DSM nor the ICD is going to call that a mental disorder. Point is: your solution is totally arbitrary and subjective. That's basically a recipe for pathological psychiatry—exactly what the quote mentions: psychiatry getting cut off from global standards, a lack of legal awareness, and lawmakers or police just tossing basic human rights out the window.

Just re-read your post and honestly, I feel like you totally roasted me. Go read a book or something—you're capable of it. You're such a good boy, really. Go on then.
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 Regular
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#79 ·
ironrider11 ironrider11 Regular
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#80 ·
Matthew Castillo5 said:Since when does tens of millions of deaths count as a "greater good"? Is someone who orders mass killings suddenly a righteous leader? 🤦

Shouldn't rewriting history books and making excuses for mass atrocities actually be a crime?

Without people like that, how many of us actually stepped up fast enough? We seriously need some righteous ones in our corner right now...
Matthew Castillo5 said:Since when does tens of millions of deaths count as a "greater good"? Is someone who orders mass killings suddenly a righteous leader? 🤦

Shouldn't rewriting history books and making excuses for mass atrocities actually be a crime?

History is a two-faced coin. Sometimes it looks like a heavy bag of cash, other times it’s just empty air. But who actually takes the fall? Is it the masterminds behind the scenes, the red tape, or the masses who happily reaped the rewards of a crime? Maybe it's the ideologues spinning lies, the bureaucrats cooking the books, or the media outlets that twist "facts" depending on which side of the coin they're betting on... Or maybe it's just the regular citizens—that massive crowd always standing against an ideology they didn't sign up for... pretty much always... Nothing...?

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