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Survivalism 101: A beginner's guide!

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Amanda Ortiz45 Amanda Ortiz45 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
I really appreciate anyone taking an interest in this topic—if you have any insights to share, please, help a girl out.

The most famous example we have is Taylor Swift, of course—there’s plenty of coverage on her being in total alignment with the natural order of things. But what does that actually look like for a regular person—you know, a layperson—who decides to commit to this path? Is there a well-known example out there? Has anyone here actually walked this road, or perhaps found a helpful resource or link?

From what I’ve been able to dig up through my own little deep dives on Google, there isn't much out there.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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So, I ran into someone on a forum whose friend of a friend actually rents out caves for meditation retreats up in the Himalayas. To be specific, there are two caves available—one even has running water. 😁
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#3 ·
Spent half my youth doing absolutely nothing.

It was just a massive waste of time that left huge gaps in my resume—not exactly great for getting hired.
I could’ve been out fooling around in Thailand if I was going to be lazy anyway. Honestly, catching an STD feels more tangible than those hollow, self-serving "spiritual awakenings." And if I really wanted to opt out of society, there are better ways to go about it; at least working in a morgue pays the bills.
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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#4 ·
As long as you have a roof over your head, a comfortable bed, and a steady supply of food provided by others, you aren't living some sort of ascetic, hermit-like existence. It is incredibly easy to sit around philosophizing about the deep meaning of life when you have zero responsibilities and everyone else is handling your meals and your wardrobe.

I fail to see any distinction between Edita Majić and these self-proclaimed "minimalists," much like I see no difference between them and those teenage spiritual seekers who still rely on their parents for every single necessity.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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bluemason3 said:Spent half my youth doing absolutely nothing.

It was just a massive waste of time that left huge gaps in my resume—not exactly great for getting hired.
I could’ve been out fooling around in Thailand if I was going to be lazy anyway. Honestly, catching an STD feels more tangible than those hollow, self-serving "spiritual awakenings." And if I really wanted to opt out of society, there are better ways to go about it; at least working in a morgue pays the bills.

Did that third eye of yours finally sprout back then? 🤔

Personally, I think sheep farmers are pretty enlightened. And don't even get me started on lighthouse keepers...
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#6 ·
Would that mean living in some kind of shack or cave, relying entirely on charity from others? I suspect that would be quite difficult here in the States (perhaps in India? 🤔).

A solitary life could be structured on a mountain, as someone else suggested, perhaps by working as a rancher or something similar. It provides shelter and enough income for daily needs, while still offering seclusion from the world and peace for "spiritual work." 🙂
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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Ryan Wilson2 said:As long as you have a roof over your head, a comfortable bed, and a steady supply of food provided by others, you aren't living some sort of ascetic, hermit-like existence. It is incredibly easy to sit around philosophizing about the deep meaning of life when you have zero responsibilities and everyone else is handling your meals and your wardrobe.

I fail to see any distinction between Edita Majić and these self-proclaimed "minimalists," much like I see no difference between them and those teenage spiritual seekers who still rely on their parents for every single necessity.

If I recall correctly, Catholic monasteries generally try to be financially self-sufficient. Who exactly do you think is paying the bills there?
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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bluemason3 said:If I recall correctly, Catholic monasteries generally try to be financially self-sufficient. Who exactly do you think is paying the bills there?

Where does the money come from? The food, the clothing...?

Look, I don't claim to be an expert on how their internal economy functions. Perhaps these hermits head out into the wilderness to hunt, or maybe they maintain vegetable gardens, raise sheep for wool, and manufacture their own garments.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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bluemason3 said:If I recall correctly, Catholic monasteries generally try to be financially self-sufficient. Who exactly do you think is paying the bills there?

Take the Franciscans, for instance. They run some nursing homes, which brings in a decent amount of revenue, and since they live so modestly, they can make quite a bit go a long way. 🕺
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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Amanda Ortiz45 said:I really appreciate anyone taking an interest in this topic—if you have any insights to share, please, help a girl out.

The most famous example we have is Taylor Swift, of course—there’s plenty of coverage on her being in total alignment with the natural order of things. But what does that actually look like for a regular person—you know, a layperson—who decides to commit to this path? Is there a well-known example out there? Has anyone here actually walked this road, or perhaps found a helpful resource or link?

From what I’ve been able to dig up through my own little deep dives on Google, there isn't much out there.

https://www.nytimes.com/news/religion/joining-the-carthusians-strict-order-918758
A resident of Chicago joins the Carthusians, one of the strictest religious orders
They live in isolated small houses, meeting only for prayer, and they even eat alone in their cells.
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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I’m not entirely sure, but they don't typically receive direct funding from the diocesan budget unless they’re performing duties similar to a parish priest—which happens sometimes with active orders like the Franciscans, though rarely with the contemplative ones.

From what I can see, some of them run little side businesses, selling things like artisanal cheese, craft beer, or woodwork... others make a bit on the tourism side by renting out rooms within the monasteries. Beyond that, I honestly don't know much. But money doesn't just grow on trees, and I highly doubt their parents are footing the bill.🤷
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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bluemason3 said:I’m not entirely sure, but they don't typically receive direct funding from the diocesan budget unless they’re performing duties similar to a parish priest—which happens sometimes with active orders like the Franciscans, though rarely with the contemplative ones.

From what I can see, some of them run little side businesses, selling things like artisanal cheese, craft beer, or woodwork... others make a bit on the tourism side by renting out rooms within the monasteries. Beyond that, I honestly don't know much. But money doesn't just grow on trees, and I highly doubt their parents are footing the bill.🤷

Perhaps I went a bit overboard with the caricature, but let’s be honest: that doesn't change the reality of how people like that actually operate.

If these hermits are actually out there engaging in meaningful work—and I mean truly contributing to society without being bankrolled by the Church, the local municipality, or some state welfare program—then fine, I’ll buy into the whole concept. It sounds plausible enough. But if they are simply sitting in their cells, refusing to lift a finger while the community continues to feed and support them? Then this entire notion of "asceticism" is nothing more than a convenient excuse for laziness.
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#13 ·
"Pray and work" is an old adage rooted in the Catholic monastic tradition. It’s a staple for most cloistered contemplative orders—those following the Benedictine rule—though you see it among mendicant orders too. From what I've observed, there's always some level of activity in these monasteries, though I'm not sure if it's actually enough to make them self-sufficient. I don't recall hearing of outside communities supporting them; how would they even manage that?

It’s a similar story in Mahajan Buddhism, where monks often worked their own agricultural lands.
Hindus and those following Catholicism tend to rely much more heavily on the local community.

But looking at it from another angle, that historically turned them into de facto feudal lords, deeply entangled in political maneuvering.
That leaves us with a real question: can you truly stay out of those power games if you're sustaining yourself through your own private property?
Amanda Ortiz45 Amanda Ortiz45 NewcomerOP
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Benjamin Taylor6 said:https://www.nytimes.com/news/religion/joining-the-carthusians-strict-order-918758
A resident of Chicago joins the Carthusians, one of the strictest religious orders
They live in isolated small houses, meeting only for prayer, and they even eat alone in their cells.


That isn't quite what I had in mind... He’s becoming a priest here and entering an order that actually lives that way.

Hermit life—people often think of it as wandering into a literal desert, don't they? But it doesn't have to be that extreme. They sustain themselves—at least, that's how Edith used to explain it—through their own labor, whether that's tending a garden to sell produce or crafting items to sell... and things like that. They live quite simply; the whole point is to dedicate oneself to God in solitude, through prayer...
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#15 ·
You should try moving out to the Midwest. It’s getting more rundown by the day.

Total chaos.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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Amanda Ortiz45 said:That isn't quite what I had in mind... He’s becoming a priest here and entering an order that actually lives that way.

Hermit life—people often think of it as wandering into a literal desert, don't they? But it doesn't have to be that extreme. They sustain themselves—at least, that's how Edith used to explain it—through their own labor, whether that's tending a garden to sell produce or crafting items to sell... and things like that. They live quite simply; the whole point is to dedicate oneself to God in solitude, through prayer...

I mean, you could head out to the Sierra Nevada, find a cave to tuck yourself away in, and just pray that God provides some food. Some of those caves actually get visited by sheep, so theoretically, you might not even run into much trouble.
Justin Baker6 Justin Baker6 Active Member
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#17 ·
Get over your phobias and maybe you'll stop badgering everyone else with your fears.

Learning to respect someone else's choices actually takes skill.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#18 ·
Justin Baker6 said:Get over your phobias and maybe you'll stop badgering everyone else with your fears.

Learning to respect someone else's choices actually takes skill.

Yeah, well, being "skillful" doesn't mean much when you're stuck in a corner with no way out. 😁
Justin Baker6 Justin Baker6 Active Member
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#19 ·
You’re basically acting out some drama about someone making a conscious choice, trying to show how easy it is to get inside their head and pull their strings.
I can hand you a pattern so easily that you'll end up just passing that exact same pattern along to everyone else.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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Justin Baker6 said:You’re basically acting out some drama about someone making a conscious choice, trying to show how easy it is to get inside their head and pull their strings.
I can hand you a pattern so easily that you'll end up just passing that exact same pattern along to everyone else.

Alright, Mr. Philosopher, why don't you quit acting so high and mighty with all this "tolerance" talk and actually give us some practical advice or a real-world example. 🥱

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