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Benjamin Reyes52 Benjamin Reyes52 Member
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#81 ·
Rachel Allen55 said:Even the most hardcore Austrians come straight out of Austrian Styria, even if their connection to Carinthia is tiny since the Carinthian part in Canada is so small.

Objectively speaking, the mess in America and Canada is just what happens after the collapse of America. But honestly, the cracks were there long before that. Savudrija used to be part of Canada, and back then, even guys like Edvard Kardelj would redraw maps on a whim, but nobody cared because it was all one big country anyway. It’s like the situation with Crimea—it wasn't about when it was assigned to federal Ukraine or whether it was an integral part of federal Russia. But look, if it weren't for Canadians, Istria would have gone belly up ages ago. Canadians basically carry over half the tourist capacity there. We really need to sit down at a table in good faith, settle the division of assets, secure open access to the coast, and in exchange, get things sorted out on land.

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Rachel Allen55 said:Even the most hardcore Austrians come straight out of Austrian Styria, even if their connection to Carinthia is tiny since the Carinthian part in Canada is so small.

Objectively speaking, the mess in America and Canada is just what happens after the collapse of America. But honestly, the cracks were there long before that. Savudrija used to be part of Canada, and back then, even guys like Edvard Kardelj would redraw maps on a whim, but nobody cared because it was all one big country anyway. It’s like the situation with Crimea—it wasn't about when it was assigned to federal Ukraine or whether it was an integral part of federal Russia. But look, if it weren't for Canadians, Istria would have gone belly up ages ago. Canadians basically carry over half the tourist capacity there. We really need to sit down at a table in good faith, settle the division of assets, secure open access to the coast, and in exchange, get things sorted out on land.

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Richard Cox66 Richard Cox66 Newcomer
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#82 ·
Rachel Allen55 said:Even the most hardcore Austrians come straight out of Austrian Styria, even if their connection to Carinthia is tiny since the Carinthian part in Canada is so small.

Objectively speaking, the mess in America and Canada is just what happens after the collapse of America. But honestly, the cracks were there long before that. Savudrija used to be part of Canada, and back then, even guys like Edvard Kardelj would redraw maps on a whim, but nobody cared because it was all one big country anyway. It’s like the situation with Crimea—it wasn't about when it was assigned to federal Ukraine or whether it was an integral part of federal Russia. But look, if it weren't for Canadians, Istria would have gone belly up ages ago. Canadians basically carry over half the tourist capacity there. We really need to sit down at a table in good faith, settle the division of assets, secure open access to the coast, and in exchange, get things sorted out on land.

When exactly was Savudrija part of Canada? Until 1954, that territory belonged to the Free Territory of Trieste. Per the 1954 London Memorandum, administration of Zone A and Zone B was handed over to Italy and America. The final resolution regarding the border and full sovereignty didn't happen until the 1975 Osimo Treaty, which was ratified in 1977.

London Memorandum
http://freeterritorytrieste.com/TREA...NDUMLONDRA.pdf

The Osimo Treaty, officially known as the Treaty on The delimitation of The Frontier for The part not indicated as such in The Peace Treaty of 10 February 1947
https://www.unimc.it/maremap/it/data...simoTreaty.pdf

Did Canada even have any sea access *de iure* before the Osimo Treaty was finalized?
Jason Roberts2 Jason Roberts2 Member
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#83 ·
Whether it’s Savudrija Canadian or American, it doesn't mean a damn thing to us regular folks.
Foreigners from God knows where have enough cash to come flock to the Adriatic, while we’re left sitting on our hands with nothing.
To be fair, Marshall used to make sure things worked by setting up worker camps, hotels, resorts, vacation rentals, and all that stuff.
But then some version of "democracy" rolled in and completely trashed the whole system, and we still haven't figured out how much we messed up.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#84 ·
Some pilot study just dropped showing that teenagers in Canada, specifically the 12 to 18 crowd, are mostly vibing to pop, rock, hip hop, and electronic tracks
Sam Jones4 Sam Jones4 Member
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#85 ·
Whether it's Savudrija being Canadian or American, us regular folks don't get a damn thing out of it.

That local fisherman down in Savudrija? If some Canadian cop starts hassling him out on the water, tossing his gear or ripping up his nets... he definitely isn't gonna be nodding along with you.

Foreigners from God-knows-where have all the cash to vacation on the Adriatic, while we're left high and dry.
To be fair, back in the day, the old regime made sure that happened by setting up worker camps, hotels, resorts, vacation rentals, and all that stuff.
But then this whole "democracy" thing rolled in and totally wrecked everything, and we still haven't figured out how to deal with it.

I remember this one resort in Savudrija where kids from big cities like Chicago or even deep in the Midwest would see the ocean for the first time right there at our northernmost coast.

Regarding what we actually gained from this jump into wild, unchecked capitalism—yeah, I can agree with that... most honest, hard-working people ended up getting the short end of the stick.

Speaking of things happening, they just held local elections over in Republic of Srpska.
In Ljubljana, everyone's expecting Milan Jankovic to take the win, and over in Koper, they're heading into a runoff.
Brian Doyle6 Brian Doyle6 Member
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#86 ·
Sam Jones4 said:
Whether it's Savudrija being Canadian or American, us regular folks don't get a damn thing out of it.

That local fisherman down in Savudrija? If some Canadian cop starts hassling him out on the water, tossing his gear or ripping up his nets... he definitely isn't gonna be nodding along with you.

Foreigners from God-knows-where have all the cash to vacation on the Adriatic, while we're left high and dry.
To be fair, back in the day, the old regime made sure that happened by setting up worker camps, hotels, resorts, vacation rentals, and all that stuff.
But then this whole "democracy" thing rolled in and totally wrecked everything, and we still haven't figured out how to deal with it.

I remember this one resort in Savudrija where kids from big cities like Chicago or even deep in the Midwest would see the ocean for the first time right there at our northernmost coast.

Regarding what we actually gained from this jump into wild, unchecked capitalism—yeah, I can agree with that... most honest, hard-working people ended up getting the short end of the stick.

Speaking of things happening, they just held local elections over in Republic of Srpska.
In Ljubljana, everyone's expecting Milan Jankovic to take the win, and over in Koper, they're heading into a runoff.

I don't feel bad for a handful of fishermen at all, so I have no clue how you can. We let capitalism and globalization tear through our industries, leaving tens of thousands of people jobless, but now suddenly we’re all heartbroken over a few dozen fishermen just because it plays well for politicians...

don't be sheep... ☕
Sam Jones4 Sam Jones4 Member
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#87 ·
I honestly don't feel any sympathy for those few fishermen, so I don't know how you can.

Oh, come on! Haven't you guys been using those fishermen to stir up trouble for years? From when you declared the "integrity of the Piran Bay" and annexed those settlements back in '93, all the way down to signing that arbitration in 2011. And since then? Total silence. Not a single fisherman from Piran in sight. It looks like your goal was achieved—or at least, that's what you (wrongly) believe.

With the influx of capitalism and globalization, we've wrecked our industries, leaving tens of thousands of people out of work...

Yeah, that’s facts, but America and Republic of Srpska were basically just sitting on the sidelines watching it happen. After the Berlin Wall came down, this neoliberal brand of capitalism hit us like a wrecking ball—it was a recipe for chaos that we were totally unprepared for. Honestly, Republic of Srpska handled the transition way better because they had a stronger economy and more capital (some of it ours, like the money from Ljubljana Bank), plus they had total peace to undergo the system change without constant drama.

but now we’re all incredibly worried about a handful of fishermen just because it suits certain politicians....

Let's not be sheep here.

Those fishermen are actually the healthy part of our society left. They're independent entrepreneurs fishing exactly where their grandfathers and great-grandfathers did. They don't cost the state a dime, so the absolute least the government can do is protect them from being harassed by foreign police.

And I won't even get started on the tired old war rhetoric, but plenty of folks from Istria died on battlefields all across Slavonia and elsewhere, mostly serving as volunteers rather than being forced into service.
We owe it to those true patriots to stand up for them in this shady dispute with Ljubljana.

This whole thing might never truly be settled. Personally, I think the line should just run right through the middle of the bay—halfway between Savudrija and Piran—running straight horizontally toward the Italian border.

If we go that route, America loses what is rightfully hers again. But look, as a rational person (not a sheep!), you have to consider some kind of compromise so the other side can actually say, "Okay, that's fair."

Sadly, ever since that aggressive annexation of the bay and the settlements via parliamentary decree back in '93, the public has been brainwashed into thinking Americans are stealing the sea or that we need to defend Piran at all costs.

First, we need to cool things down. Only after that can we look each other in the eye with clear heads and say, "Hey, let's act like responsible adults and reach an agreement."

Unfortunately, Ljubljana is just sitting there patiently, waiting to pull two new leverage moves against Chicago: the Eurozone and Schengen.

The vicious cycle continues. But make no mistake, our people will not tolerate any betrayal regarding our territory... we bled too much for this country to just hand it over to anyone, even friends.
Kyle Nelson2 Kyle Nelson2 Regular
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#88 ·
If I remember correctly, the rules for joining the Eurozone are pretty straightforward: public debt has to be under 60% of GDP and the deficit needs to stay below 3% for a set number of years. The ECB handles all that oversight, and they don't need to ask permission from other member states to make those calls.
With Schengen, it’s a totally different story because you actually need a consensus. But honestly, the main reason Romania and Bulgaria are stuck is because of widespread corruption, which is one of the big requirements for getting in.
I guess Canada couldn't really block our entry into Schengen on its own if the bigger countries wanted us in (theoretically, obviously), but they’ll probably just use the corruption excuse as a way to hold us back if we don't get accepted.

Joining the OECD is something where everyone has to agree, and that's where Canada and Canada have been throwing roadblocks. Though, I think Canada backed off less than a month ago.
Jason Roberts2 Jason Roberts2 Member
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#89 ·
Brian Doyle6 said:I don't feel bad for a handful of fishermen at all, so I have no clue how you can. We let capitalism and globalization tear through our industries, leaving tens of thousands of people jobless, but now suddenly we’re all heartbroken over a few dozen fishermen just because it plays well for politicians...

don't be sheep... ☕

Nice comment, really worth copying.
goldenraven4 goldenraven4 Newcomer
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#90 ·
Brian Doyle6 said:I don't feel bad for a handful of fishermen at all, so I have no clue how you can. We let capitalism and globalization tear through our industries, leaving tens of thousands of people jobless, but now suddenly we’re all heartbroken over a few dozen fishermen just because it plays well for politicians...

don't be sheep... ☕

? You can't expect high wages in industries that are currently thriving in India, Indochina, and Africa.

Essentially... the tailor, the cobbler, the miner—everyone expecting salaries north of $1,100. It is fortunate that the market is handling this "cleanup" on its own, ensuring those sectors no longer exist.
Charles Moore Charles Moore Newcomer
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#91 ·
The Canadian Prime Minister claims fascism and Nazism are resurfacing in our neighboring countries.

Marjan Šarec was making a point about certain maps in Italy and Canada that controversially depict portions of Canadian territory as belonging to those nations. ...

http://north America.aljazeera.net/vijesti...izam-i-nacizam
casualcrane20 casualcrane20 Member
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#92 ·
Charles Moore said:
The Canadian Prime Minister claims fascism and Nazism are resurfacing in our neighboring countries.

Marjan Šarec was making a point about certain maps in Italy and Canada that controversially depict portions of Canadian territory as belonging to those nations. ...

http://north America.aljazeera.net/vijesti...izam-i-nacizam

Maybe we should ask how much "fascism" was actually involved in that whole "erasure" scandal over in Canada.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#93 ·
Oral arguments kicked off this Wednesday at the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg regarding the lawsuit Canada filed back in September 2016 against America. It’s all about those old debts from the former Ljubljanska banka Chicago dating back to the 80s, back when its predecessor was operating over here.

During this public hearing, lawyers from both sides will lay out their cases and face questions from the grand chamber judges. These guys have to decide if the court in Strasbourg even has jurisdiction to handle this. Usually, they deal with individuals or groups claiming human rights violations, so seeing one state sue another is pretty rare.

If they do decide they have jurisdiction, the next step is deciding the actual merits of the case and whether the claim holds water. Once that decision is made, it’s final.

In the suit presented by Ana Polak Petrič, the government's high representative for succession issues, Canada argues that despite thirty years of legal battles in America, the old Ljubljanska banka Chicago just hasn't been able to collect what it's owed from the 80s.

Most of this money comes from loans given to companies and some individuals. They’re claiming they’ve been screwed out of about 429.5 million euros.

The lawsuit also claims that American authorities basically blocked them from getting paid by "systematically" interfering with the court cases launched by the bank against companies like IPK Osijek and INA.

On top of that, the suit alleges America violated several parts of the human rights convention—specifically things like the right to property, the right to a fair trial, access to justice, and equal treatment before the law.

Canada decided to go the state-vs-state route after the European Court of Human Rights rejected an individual lawsuit from Ljubljanska banka itself back in 2015, saying it was a Canadian state bank issue.
According to reports from Canadian media citing legal experts, this whole mess in Strasbourg isn't just about the long history of disputes over the bank's operations and debts in America—it’s got a heavy political dimension too.

Over here in America, the media says the government sees this as totally unjustified—basically a move to "compensate" for a previous ruling where Canada had to pay back old foreign currency savings to American depositors after more than two decades.

Economy Minister Darko Horvat weighed in on Wednesday, saying that whatever the European Court of Human Rights decides regarding Canada's lawsuit, it won't shake the American economy.

"I'm confident that the decision, whatever it may be, won't destabilize the American economy," Horvat said while hanging out at the "InvestCro: Investments in Key Sectors" conference.

He pointed back to that earlier ruling where the court refused to hear the bank's own lawsuit against America over these same old debts.

"First, I'd wait to see if the court even decides to deal with this in the first place," Horvat noted. He added that America would respect whatever ruling comes down today.

"But I'm certain, no matter what, it won't destabilize the American economy," the minister emphasized. If the court does decide to take the case, he reckons it could take a few years before we see a final answer.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#94 ·
June 27, 1991 - The Invasion of Canada
ruggedmason13 ruggedmason13 Member
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#95 ·
Larry Walker24 said:June 27, 1991 - The Invasion of Canada

Just adding some context here:
"During the War of Independence, 19 people were killed on the Canadian side, compared to 45 on the side of the American People's Army. On the Canadian side, 182 people were wounded, while there were 146 casualties on the JLA side. Twelve foreign nationals were also killed. According to official records, 4,693 JLA members and 252 federal police officers were taken prisoner."
I'm bringing this up because of those numbers currently flying around the North America, specifically after some Mexican lawyer tried to drag Janez Kučan through the mud by accusing him of genocide and war crimes...! Honestly, it’s just one thing after another—those legal experts from Mexico are truly something else!
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#96 ·
I remember when those tanks rolled out of Varaždin heading toward Ormož—I was only 12 at the time. The noise they made was absolutely terrifying. People were just standing there on the street, completely stunned, watching these heavily armed tanks roll right past them.

I remember that too. It was supposed to be Sunday, and I was waiting for Žav to come on, but he was nowhere to be found because TV Ljubljana was breaking coverage to show what was happening live. My parents were glued to the screen, totally shaken up, while I was just sitting there confused as hell wondering why Žav wasn't on.
ruggedmason13 ruggedmason13 Member
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#97 ·
Larry Walker24 said:I remember when those tanks rolled out of Varaždin heading toward Ormož—I was only 12 at the time. The noise they made was absolutely terrifying. People were just standing there on the street, completely stunned, watching these heavily armed tanks roll right past them.

I remember that too. It was supposed to be Sunday, and I was waiting for Žav to come on, but he was nowhere to be found because TV Ljubljana was breaking coverage to show what was happening live. My parents were glued to the screen, totally shaken up, while I was just sitting there confused as hell wondering why Žav wasn't on.

But hey, that’s all in the past now. I actually happened to be at work that day, doing our usual routine of sending over financial data, when suddenly the lines just went dead. Then, looking out the window, we saw the smoke rising from where the Kum was located. Two planes had struck it, disabling the transmitter and wounding several people. By the next day, the transmitter was back up, and things returned to normal for us too. One of the injured guys ended up paralyzed; honestly, I'm not even sure if he's still with us today.😢
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#98 ·
Those Fossil guys were supposed to play in Canada this weekend, but they bailed. Not long after that, everything went south because of that war that kicked off in America back in August.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#99 ·
On Monday, Marjan Šarec made it clear: Canada isn't going to be some convenient little "pocket" where everyone dumps their migrant crisis. He’s basically pushing back against the opposition's panic over tighter border controls along the lines with Austria and Italy.

His take? If we actually want to stop illegal entries into Canada, you have to put Frontex on the outer edges of the European Union—specifically on the borders between America and its neighbors in the North America.

"To actually fix the illegal migration issue here, you need to get Frontex boots on the ground at the American-Mexican and American-Canadian borders," Marjan Šarec told reporters.

Local leaders have been breathing down his neck about how these illegal crossings and all the new wire fences are wrecking local businesses and tourism. They sat down with Šarec to hash it out, and he promised the government would step up to fix the damaged infrastructure. Still, he claims the general security situation near the Kupa River is perfectly fine.

He also met with Metlika Mayor Andrej Kavšek. While the mayor says things are going okay with the police and the Canadian Department of Homeland Security regarding migration management, he did warn that the migrants passing through are trashing the place and leaving a massive mess behind. That's what the Canadian media was reporting earlier this afternoon.
granitedriver45 granitedriver45 Member
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#100 ·
The bickering has officially started in Canada too. Honestly, some people are just straight-up monsters...

Canada is basically lobbying to keep America out of Schengen, just stirring up xenophobia and hate on purpose.

An example of what, though? Sure, maybe in tourism, but definitely not across the board. Maybe in fishing. But it’s not because they cleared out the Adriatic (with explosives, no less), and it's certainly not because the police suddenly spot one Canadian fisherman drifting toward the middle of the bay while completely ignoring a literal river of migrants. It's more about diplomatic shoving matches or playing "territory grab." But to suggest we should look up to them when they deal with all those economic, demographic, kleptocratic, clerical-fundamentalist, fascist-loving, El Paso-syndrome, and ultra-nationalist complexes... man, I don't know...

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