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Steven Stewart3 Steven Stewart3 Member
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#41 ·
Ryan Wilson2 said:It all sounds wonderful, absolutely idyllic... in theory. I know, because I’ve been studying this for over twenty years.

The Left Hand Path is an incredibly grueling journey. You are essentially condemned to solitude unless you happen to stumble upon a partner who actually understands what you're doing (which, in America, is a near impossibility).
In your twenties, this whole concept feels convenient. You go out, you act cool, you have a little job and some decent hair 🤣.

It feels magnificent, right? It’s trendy, it’s profound, and you feel quite proud of being "detached" from society—feeling independent and unique.

But then, suddenly, your forties hit. By then, you’ve truly grasped the reality of things. You’ve experienced that profound detachment from the universe, and as you observe the people around you, you see them moving like puppets on strings. And yet... you haven't had the luck of finding a partner.
You end up on a forum and read people posting about various topics; you want to believe they are being sincere, but... this is a forum. Everyone acts like a genius, living their lives as if they were mere side characters in some video game, offering opinions on the entire cosmos while being as empty as... interstellar space. 😁

Are you truly prepared to dive into life carrying that specific philosophy? 😉

I'm not really a fan of writing in generalizations like "this is the hardest" or "this is the most common," etc.
But in my opinion—and I really want to emphasize this—there is no harder path than Jnana Yoga. It’s that classic paradox: it’s the most grueling way to go, but also the fastest. On this path, you’re stripped of everything. You face solitude, zero friends, none of that easygoing small talk over a latte, no traveling, no healthy social life... even your career (even though you might have all the right credentials, the drive, and the ambition) feels totally different.
You end up with a razor-sharp intellect because you’ve sacrificed so much to get there—though usually, it’s not even conscious at first. You don't realize what's coming until you finally pick up a book on yoga and it all clicks.
By then, you’ve been through the wringer in life. You’ve been tested so many times that everything a "normal" person finds attractive or pleasurable starts to feel hollow. It’s not that those things aren't enjoyable, it's just that you finally see exactly where they lead. To get there, you have to grind through intense concentration, deep meditation, diving into astrology, seeking out mentors, working with seasoned spiritual teachers, and all that good stuff.
There are tons of little nuances too, like how you frame your thoughts—for example, avoiding certain phrases or mental loops.

People on the other side are out there partying, drinking, and living it up, so their path feels way easier 😁. But obviously, that's a dangerous road to walk.
Chris Williams Chris Williams Active Member
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#42 ·
Andrew White6 said:We can think of the totality of existence—everything known and everything still waiting to be discovered—as being composed of two distinct parts: the objective universe and the subjective universe.

The objective universe represents the natural order, the fundamental laws that govern our world. It is essentially a combination of mechanical and organic systems ruled by predictable patterns. You could call this objective reality "Nature," or even "God" within the context of Judeo-Christian traditions. This is because both hard sciences and orthodox theology operate on a similar premise: that the laws governing the objective universe can either be understood through rational measurement and description, or grasped through "divine revelation." While theologians would likely push back and insist on a sharp distinction between the "Creator" and the "creation," a closer look suggests that what mainstream religions call "God" is actually functionally identical to what they call "creation"—that is, the natural, organic, and mechanical laws of the cosmos itself.

On the other hand, the subjective universe is the "world" experienced by every sentient being. There are as many subjective universes as there are conscious beings, each acting as an individual manifestation of awareness within the greater whole. Every perception we have of the objective universe is merely indirect information, because that data must first pass through the filter of the subjective universe. Interestingly, the subjective realm doesn't seem bound by the same rigid mechanical or organic laws that govern the objective side. This is the primary dividing line between the two. The subjective universe possesses the capacity for "unnatural" action; it isn't strictly confined to the three dimensions and five senses that define the physical world. It’s also important to clarify that this distinction isn't about "right versus wrong" or "accuracy versus inaccuracy," as people often imply in casual conversation. In fact, the subjective universe is capable of far more precise and diverse operations than the objective one—just look at how you are currently reading and processing this text using the unique faculties of your own subjective mind. To put it in simple grammatical terms: you, the reader, are the subject, and the text you are consuming is the object.

Because the subjective universe isn't tethered to the laws of nature, it holds a massive spectrum of possibilities, ranging from near-perfect precision to total illusion. At the very heart of this "unnatural" subjective realm lies human consciousness—the soul, or the "I." We see evidence of this non-natural aspect of the soul in humanity's innate drive to impose artificial structures upon the objective world. Whether it’s building the Pyramids, composing poetry, or establishing complex political institutions, we are constantly creating things that are, by definition, set apart from the natural world. Animals, even those with highly sophisticated social structures, are entirely bound by their biology and the dictates of nature. A wolf pack's social order remains fundamentally the same whether it exists in the forests of Maine or somewhere else entirely, thousands of years ago or today. But you will never find two human institutions that are perfectly identical. That is because anything birthed by the subjective universe—whether by an individual or a collective—is defined by variability. As far as we know, humans are the only species with this characteristic.

This brings us to the central question: how should a conscious, free soul interact with the objective universe?

The "Right-Hand Path" approach boils down to a single idea: the subjective universe must harmonize itself with the totality of the objective universe, viewed as God or Nature. From this perspective, humanity's task is to seek out the knowledge of these laws and submit to them, seeking unity or an alliance with the objective order. The Right-Hand Path is a journey toward merging with universal reality. When this union is fully realized, the individual "ego" is surrendered, and the person becomes one with the divine or cosmic order. In this state of heaven—or the state of being/non-being found in Nirvana—the ego ceases to exist, which is precisely the ultimate goal of all mainstream Jewish, Christian, Islamic, and Buddhist orthodoxies.

The "left-hand path" represents a heterodox journey. It views the state of humanity through a very specific lens—one that acknowledges the deep-seated, fundamental hunger within every human being to be a free, empowered, and independent agent within their own reality. To those on this path, both the pleasures and the pains that come with being an independent entity are embraced as hallmarks of the highest and most noble human destiny, especially since such self-governing existence has historically been viewed as something divine.

Just as most people spend their ordinary, day-to-day lives chasing things that will grant them more knowledge, power, freedom, autonomy, and social standing within their world, those who practice the spiritual "left-hand path" logically extend those same ambitions to their inner selves. They do this without giving a second thought to the warnings from the "right-hand path," which labels such spiritual behavior as "evil" and insists that one should instead follow "the plan" (set by God and nature) to become a well-adjusted, conforming member of the collective.

In essence, the left-hand path is a path of inequality and non-conformity with the objective universe. It is about isolating consciousness within the objective cosmos, creating a state of self-imposed psychological solitude where the practitioner can refine their soul or psyche to more perfected levels. In this framework, the objective universe is forced to harmonize with the individual's will, rather than the other way around. While the right-hand path is theocentric (or at least focused on an external authority), the left-hand path is "psyche-centric"—it is ego-centric, centered entirely on the soul. Although definitions of the self, ego, or soul may vary within this tradition, the individual remains the undisputed epicenter. The ultimate goal is the eternal separation of the individual's intelligence from the objective universe, achieving a state of immortal, independent self-awareness that exists parallel to the cosmos and interacts with it only by its own volition.

I am not entirely sure where you gathered these ideas, or whether you have adopted them because they resonated logically after reading some specific text, or if you arrived at them through actual experiential practice.

I speak to you as someone who has tested both paths, and ultimately chose the left, finding it to be a simple, natural, and gentle route where it doesn't really matter where you started, because you are always home.

No spiritual path is truly objective.

Every spiritual experience is subjective; every practice occurs internally and begins with us—from the one thing we actually know (ourselves)—on a path where each person walks alone, where there is absolutely no one and nothing else except the single consciousness in which everything apparent is mirrored: OURS.

It is always this way, regardless of whether one seeks the immanent within matter (where everything is "God") or a transcendental "God" as the hidden primary mover of all things.

In my view, everything is actually the opposite of what you stated.

Seeking the immanent God is the left path—the path of the lover, the path of pulsating Shakti that touches us like electricity and casts us into bliss through all that exists; it is, for instance, the path of a magnificent Kashmiri Shaivism or Sufism.

...whereas seeking the transcendental, from which the apparent emerges, is the right path; it is the warrior's path, the path of yoga through austerity, renunciation, and meditation—a constant "neti neti" process of discarding until reality is stripped bare and dissolves into its own unreality, leaving only that which is within us: that which is always the same, unborn, uncreated, and primary, untouched by the illusion of this dreamlike life in this 3D world that has struck us.
Chris Williams Chris Williams Active Member
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#43 ·
Steven Stewart3 said:I'm not really a fan of writing in generalizations like "this is the hardest" or "this is the most common," etc.
But in my opinion—and I really want to emphasize this—there is no harder path than Jnana Yoga. It’s that classic paradox: it’s the most grueling way to go, but also the fastest. On this path, you’re stripped of everything. You face solitude, zero friends, none of that easygoing small talk over a latte, no traveling, no healthy social life... even your career (even though you might have all the right credentials, the drive, and the ambition) feels totally different.
You end up with a razor-sharp intellect because you’ve sacrificed so much to get there—though usually, it’s not even conscious at first. You don't realize what's coming until you finally pick up a book on yoga and it all clicks.
By then, you’ve been through the wringer in life. You’ve been tested so many times that everything a "normal" person finds attractive or pleasurable starts to feel hollow. It’s not that those things aren't enjoyable, it's just that you finally see exactly where they lead. To get there, you have to grind through intense concentration, deep meditation, diving into astrology, seeking out mentors, working with seasoned spiritual teachers, and all that good stuff.
There are tons of little nuances too, like how you frame your thoughts—for example, avoiding certain phrases or mental loops.

People on the other side are out there partying, drinking, and living it up, so their path feels way easier 😁. But obviously, that's a dangerous road to walk.

That simply isn't true. It isn't a dangerous path, nor is it some route defined by hedonism and lust. I suspect a few Western fools who have rebranded their own lack of restraint as sacred tantra are nothing more than frauds.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#44 ·
Chris Williams said:I am not entirely sure where you gathered these ideas, or whether you have adopted them because they resonated logically after reading some specific text, or if you arrived at them through actual experiential practice.

I speak to you as someone who has tested both paths, and ultimately chose the left, finding it to be a simple, natural, and gentle route where it doesn't really matter where you started, because you are always home.

No spiritual path is truly objective.

Every spiritual experience is subjective; every practice occurs internally and begins with us—from the one thing we actually know (ourselves)—on a path where each person walks alone, where there is absolutely no one and nothing else except the single consciousness in which everything apparent is mirrored: OURS.

It is always this way, regardless of whether one seeks the immanent within matter (where everything is "God") or a transcendental "God" as the hidden primary mover of all things.

In my view, everything is actually the opposite of what you stated.

Seeking the immanent God is the left path—the path of the lover, the path of pulsating Shakti that touches us like electricity and casts us into bliss through all that exists; it is, for instance, the path of a magnificent Kashmiri Shaivism or Sufism.

...whereas seeking the transcendental, from which the apparent emerges, is the right path; it is the warrior's path, the path of yoga through austerity, renunciation, and meditation—a constant "neti neti" process of discarding until reality is stripped bare and dissolves into its own unreality, leaving only that which is within us: that which is always the same, unborn, uncreated, and primary, untouched by the illusion of this dreamlike life in this 3D world that has struck us.

Put it that way... 👍

I'm still having a hard time deciding. The first option sounds beautiful, but I really love the part in **bold** from the second one. 😳
darkraven darkraven Active Member
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#45 ·
Chris Williams said:I am not entirely sure where you gathered these ideas, or whether you have adopted them because they resonated logically after reading some specific text, or if you arrived at them through actual experiential practice.

I speak to you as someone who has tested both paths, and ultimately chose the left, finding it to be a simple, natural, and gentle route where it doesn't really matter where you started, because you are always home.

No spiritual path is truly objective.

Every spiritual experience is subjective; every practice occurs internally and begins with us—from the one thing we actually know (ourselves)—on a path where each person walks alone, where there is absolutely no one and nothing else except the single consciousness in which everything apparent is mirrored: OURS.

It is always this way, regardless of whether one seeks the immanent within matter (where everything is "God") or a transcendental "God" as the hidden primary mover of all things.

In my view, everything is actually the opposite of what you stated.

Seeking the immanent God is the left path—the path of the lover, the path of pulsating Shakti that touches us like electricity and casts us into bliss through all that exists; it is, for instance, the path of a magnificent Kashmiri Shaivism or Sufism.

...whereas seeking the transcendental, from which the apparent emerges, is the right path; it is the warrior's path, the path of yoga through austerity, renunciation, and meditation—a constant "neti neti" process of discarding until reality is stripped bare and dissolves into its own unreality, leaving only that which is within us: that which is always the same, unborn, uncreated, and primary, untouched by the illusion of this dreamlike life in this 3D world that has struck us.

From here:

image

That bolded part—you know, the bit about how "the path of the left hand is essentially the path of non-identity and non-unity with the objective universe"—is a straight-up, word-for-word rip-off from this book. Seriously, it's practically the introduction to the whole topic.

https://nationalsatanist.files.wordp..._hand_path.pdf

If anyone thinks I'm just messing around, go ahead and read the first chapter yourselves.

We're looking at a potential case of blatant plagiarism here, or at the very least, a massive lack of creativity and pure laziness.
Chris Williams Chris Williams Active Member
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#46 ·
darkraven said:From here:

image

That bolded part—you know, the bit about how "the path of the left hand is essentially the path of non-identity and non-unity with the objective universe"—is a straight-up, word-for-word rip-off from this book. Seriously, it's practically the introduction to the whole topic.

https://nationalsatanist.files.wordp..._hand_path.pdf

If anyone thinks I'm just messing around, go ahead and read the first chapter yourselves.

We're looking at a potential case of blatant plagiarism here, or at the very least, a massive lack of creativity and pure laziness.

Thanks for the heads-up. 🙂

I don't really have the energy to engage with anything that has the Church of Satan in the title, whether it's their take on spiritual left versus right, who thinks Lucifer is actually good, or if hoarding wealth is cool and inequality is just natural...
Chris Williams Chris Williams Active Member
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#47 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:Put it that way... 👍

I'm still having a hard time deciding. The first option sounds beautiful, but I really love the part in **bold** from the second one. 😳


You know that one by Nikola Tesla:

"If you want to uncover the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration."

The first option touches on that concept—the idea that matter is perhaps nothing more than "spirit" (or consciousness, if you prefer) vibrating at a low, narrow frequency. I guess the point is to raise one's own frequencies through practice, while acknowledging that there is an immanent pulsing of shakti through ever-increasing bliss present in every stage, never truly separate from us.

The second option feels like delaying self-realization until some perfect moment where all conditions are met. One might spend their whole life preparing for an event that may never actually occur, and I suppose it is questionable whether such preparation is even a prerequisite for anything.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#48 ·
Chris Williams said:Thanks for the heads-up. 🙂

I don't really have the energy to engage with anything that has the Church of Satan in the title, whether it's their take on spiritual left versus right, who thinks Lucifer is actually good, or if hoarding wealth is cool and inequality is just natural...

Wasn't that tacky, trashy cover enough to grab your attention? Or maybe those perfectly manicured nails? 😲

Your soul is going to pay for this. ☕
Chris Williams Chris Williams Active Member
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#49 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:Wasn't that tacky, trashy cover enough to grab your attention? Or maybe those perfectly manicured nails? 😲

Your soul is going to pay for this. ☕

If we go by that logic—where a man isn't a man without a mustache, much like a preacher isn't a preacher without his vestments, inverted crosses, and ritualistic ceremonies...

🤣🤣🤣

we could call this whole Egyptian-Tibetan-Kabbalistic collective OCD "the left path," and perhaps we should try to have a serious discussion, assuming analysts aren't just talking nonsense and pretending their uncrowned king, that great beast and powerful mage Aleister Crowley, wasn't actually
just a clown who, despite any supposed occult power, died broke and a heroin addict...
velvetbear372 velvetbear372 Active Member
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#50 ·
Correction regarding an inaccuracy in the opening post and a few subsequent entries.

We live in 4D, not 3D. You're overlooking the dimension of time—which, arguably, is the most critical factor here. A 3D model is merely a static image where time doesn't flow.

Please proceed.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#51 ·
Chris Williams said:If we go by that logic—where a man isn't a man without a mustache, much like a preacher isn't a preacher without his vestments, inverted crosses, and ritualistic ceremonies...

🤣🤣🤣

we could call this whole Egyptian-Tibetan-Kabbalistic collective OCD "the left path," and perhaps we should try to have a serious discussion, assuming analysts aren't just talking nonsense and pretending their uncrowned king, that great beast and powerful mage Aleister Crowley, wasn't actually
just a clown who, despite any supposed occult power, died broke and a heroin addict...

🙂

I used to be pretty convinced I was on the Left-Hand Path. Back when I first started poking around spirituality in my early twenties, everything felt split: you had the Sunday service and Transcendental Meditation types on the right, and then there was all this nonsense on the left. Since I didn't know anyone actually practicing it, I spent my time online trying to swap stories with those weirdo Satanic-Telepathic types. I learned how to do the LBPR, called upon Lilith and Eris (though never at the same time 🤣), but eventually, I just got fed up and drifted back toward atheistic materialism. A few years ago, that lost its appeal too, so I moved into Shaktism, shamanism, divination, and finally settled into a somewhat twisted version of Northern tradition shamanism. Looking back now, it feels like I was on the LHP the whole time; I just thought I was a fraud because I never actually performed any ritualistic defilement. 🤣
Chris Williams Chris Williams Active Member
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#52 ·
Joseph Bailey41 said:🙂

I used to be pretty convinced I was on the Left-Hand Path. Back when I first started poking around spirituality in my early twenties, everything felt split: you had the Sunday service and Transcendental Meditation types on the right, and then there was all this nonsense on the left. Since I didn't know anyone actually practicing it, I spent my time online trying to swap stories with those weirdo Satanic-Telepathic types. I learned how to do the LBPR, called upon Lilith and Eris (though never at the same time 🤣), but eventually, I just got fed up and drifted back toward atheistic materialism. A few years ago, that lost its appeal too, so I moved into Shaktism, shamanism, divination, and finally settled into a somewhat twisted version of Northern tradition shamanism. Looking back now, it feels like I was on the LHP the whole time; I just thought I was a fraud because I never actually performed any ritualistic defilement. 🤣

hahahaha....😁😁😁

I suspect the OP and finger-clipper 2 might have had a different definition of "left-right" than I do. To me, it feels more like yin and yang—you’re either a lover or a warrior.

In that spirit, I prefer kissing over fighting. Though, given how intensely I've been studying Advaita for years, using tools and weapons isn't entirely foreign to me. All things considered, I find myself on the Shakti LHP now, mixing in certain meditations,

When it comes to the rituals and the ridiculous altar paraphernalia used by Aleister Crowley and his colleagues in the industry, it honestly strikes me as being on the level of: "I have to wash my hands three times in a row and flick the light switch six times so nothing terrible happens." Just pure OCD, I guess...

Regarding the development of abilities that fall outside the scope of ordinary experience, I wouldn't say I believe in them so much as I know they happen; such things tend to occur spontaneously as a byproduct of meditation.

Consciousness expands. Grass grows. Spring turns the hills and valleys green. These are all processes of Mother Nature; if a garden is tended, watered, weeded, fertilized, and loved, it will always pleasantly surprise you with the growth of something beautiful to look at. Sometimes it's edible. Sometimes it's a perennial, and sometimes it's those aquatic plants that color your inner landscape for a season and then vanish....

If you catch my drift, honey...

I know you do.... 🙂
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#53 ·
Chris Williams said:hahahaha....😁😁😁

I suspect the OP and finger-clipper 2 might have had a different definition of "left-right" than I do. To me, it feels more like yin and yang—you’re either a lover or a warrior.

In that spirit, I prefer kissing over fighting. Though, given how intensely I've been studying Advaita for years, using tools and weapons isn't entirely foreign to me. All things considered, I find myself on the Shakti LHP now, mixing in certain meditations,

When it comes to the rituals and the ridiculous altar paraphernalia used by Aleister Crowley and his colleagues in the industry, it honestly strikes me as being on the level of: "I have to wash my hands three times in a row and flick the light switch six times so nothing terrible happens." Just pure OCD, I guess...

Regarding the development of abilities that fall outside the scope of ordinary experience, I wouldn't say I believe in them so much as I know they happen; such things tend to occur spontaneously as a byproduct of meditation.

Consciousness expands. Grass grows. Spring turns the hills and valleys green. These are all processes of Mother Nature; if a garden is tended, watered, weeded, fertilized, and loved, it will always pleasantly surprise you with the growth of something beautiful to look at. Sometimes it's edible. Sometimes it's a perennial, and sometimes it's those aquatic plants that color your inner landscape for a season and then vanish....

If you catch my drift, honey...

I know you do.... 🙂

Even Ace mentioned that a woman should be as dangerous as a sword. 🧐

(But knowing his tastes, he might have actually been talking about a strap-on. 😳 )

Chris Williams said:hahahaha....😁😁😁

I suspect the OP and finger-clipper 2 might have had a different definition of "left-right" than I do. To me, it feels more like yin and yang—you’re either a lover or a warrior.

In that spirit, I prefer kissing over fighting. Though, given how intensely I've been studying Advaita for years, using tools and weapons isn't entirely foreign to me. All things considered, I find myself on the Shakti LHP now, mixing in certain meditations,

When it comes to the rituals and the ridiculous altar paraphernalia used by Aleister Crowley and his colleagues in the industry, it honestly strikes me as being on the level of: "I have to wash my hands three times in a row and flick the light switch six times so nothing terrible happens." Just pure OCD, I guess...

Regarding the development of abilities that fall outside the scope of ordinary experience, I wouldn't say I believe in them so much as I know they happen; such things tend to occur spontaneously as a byproduct of meditation.

Consciousness expands. Grass grows. Spring turns the hills and valleys green. These are all processes of Mother Nature; if a garden is tended, watered, weeded, fertilized, and loved, it will always pleasantly surprise you with the growth of something beautiful to look at. Sometimes it's edible. Sometimes it's a perennial, and sometimes it's those aquatic plants that color your inner landscape for a season and then vanish....

If you catch my drift, honey...

I know you do.... 🙂

That's interesting. 😍

I always viewed it more like kids playing Harry Potter, but there is something a bit twisted about that whole obsession with hand-washing, picking out the perfect robe, and being fixated on specific accessories. Women can usually pull that off, especially if they lean into a certain "pro-domme" aesthetic, but for guys, it feels a little silly. 😁

Chris Williams said:hahahaha....😁😁😁

I suspect the OP and finger-clipper 2 might have had a different definition of "left-right" than I do. To me, it feels more like yin and yang—you’re either a lover or a warrior.

In that spirit, I prefer kissing over fighting. Though, given how intensely I've been studying Advaita for years, using tools and weapons isn't entirely foreign to me. All things considered, I find myself on the Shakti LHP now, mixing in certain meditations,

When it comes to the rituals and the ridiculous altar paraphernalia used by Aleister Crowley and his colleagues in the industry, it honestly strikes me as being on the level of: "I have to wash my hands three times in a row and flick the light switch six times so nothing terrible happens." Just pure OCD, I guess...

Regarding the development of abilities that fall outside the scope of ordinary experience, I wouldn't say I believe in them so much as I know they happen; such things tend to occur spontaneously as a byproduct of meditation.

Consciousness expands. Grass grows. Spring turns the hills and valleys green. These are all processes of Mother Nature; if a garden is tended, watered, weeded, fertilized, and loved, it will always pleasantly surprise you with the growth of something beautiful to look at. Sometimes it's edible. Sometimes it's a perennial, and sometimes it's those aquatic plants that color your inner landscape for a season and then vanish....

If you catch my drift, honey...

I know you do.... 🙂

Back when I was in a more materialistic phase, I was a big fan of MBTI typology, so this feels like a way to strengthen functions that were previously underdeveloped. Recent measurements seemed to back that up, though I suspect there's more to it—these abilities are actually quite natural, but when you rely too much on external things, you tend to forget they're even there.

Chris Williams said:hahahaha....😁😁😁

I suspect the OP and finger-clipper 2 might have had a different definition of "left-right" than I do. To me, it feels more like yin and yang—you’re either a lover or a warrior.

In that spirit, I prefer kissing over fighting. Though, given how intensely I've been studying Advaita for years, using tools and weapons isn't entirely foreign to me. All things considered, I find myself on the Shakti LHP now, mixing in certain meditations,

When it comes to the rituals and the ridiculous altar paraphernalia used by Aleister Crowley and his colleagues in the industry, it honestly strikes me as being on the level of: "I have to wash my hands three times in a row and flick the light switch six times so nothing terrible happens." Just pure OCD, I guess...

Regarding the development of abilities that fall outside the scope of ordinary experience, I wouldn't say I believe in them so much as I know they happen; such things tend to occur spontaneously as a byproduct of meditation.

Consciousness expands. Grass grows. Spring turns the hills and valleys green. These are all processes of Mother Nature; if a garden is tended, watered, weeded, fertilized, and loved, it will always pleasantly surprise you with the growth of something beautiful to look at. Sometimes it's edible. Sometimes it's a perennial, and sometimes it's those aquatic plants that color your inner landscape for a season and then vanish....

If you catch my drift, honey...

I know you do.... 🙂

That French lavender I wrote off last winter has already sent up new shoots, and if you know a certain Wicca, she can practically get me anything I need to keep it thriving. 😁

But yeah, I know exactly what you mean, and it happens. 🙂
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#54 ·
velvetbear372 said:Correction regarding an inaccuracy in the opening post and a few subsequent entries.

We live in 4D, not 3D. You're overlooking the dimension of time—which, arguably, is the most critical factor here. A 3D model is merely a static image where time doesn't flow.

Please proceed.

Exactly. Time is everything.
Brian Foster3 Brian Foster3 Active Member
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#55 ·
Chris Williams said:hahahaha....😁😁😁

I suspect the OP and finger-clipper 2 might have had a different definition of "left-right" than I do. To me, it feels more like yin and yang—you’re either a lover or a warrior.

In that spirit, I prefer kissing over fighting. Though, given how intensely I've been studying Advaita for years, using tools and weapons isn't entirely foreign to me. All things considered, I find myself on the Shakti LHP now, mixing in certain meditations,

When it comes to the rituals and the ridiculous altar paraphernalia used by Aleister Crowley and his colleagues in the industry, it honestly strikes me as being on the level of: "I have to wash my hands three times in a row and flick the light switch six times so nothing terrible happens." Just pure OCD, I guess...

Regarding the development of abilities that fall outside the scope of ordinary experience, I wouldn't say I believe in them so much as I know they happen; such things tend to occur spontaneously as a byproduct of meditation.

Consciousness expands. Grass grows. Spring turns the hills and valleys green. These are all processes of Mother Nature; if a garden is tended, watered, weeded, fertilized, and loved, it will always pleasantly surprise you with the growth of something beautiful to look at. Sometimes it's edible. Sometimes it's a perennial, and sometimes it's those aquatic plants that color your inner landscape for a season and then vanish....

If you catch my drift, honey...

I know you do.... 🙂

:klap:🙂

So loving the love! 🙂
Andrew White6 Andrew White6 MemberOP
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darkraven said:From here:

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That bolded part—you know, the bit about how "the path of the left hand is essentially the path of non-identity and non-unity with the objective universe"—is a straight-up, word-for-word rip-off from this book. Seriously, it's practically the introduction to the whole topic.

https://nationalsatanist.files.wordp..._hand_path.pdf

If anyone thinks I'm just messing around, go ahead and read the first chapter yourselves.

We're looking at a potential case of blatant plagiarism here, or at the very least, a massive lack of creativity and pure laziness.

You really should have included the word "potential" there, because let’s be honest—it's obvious to you that an anonymous quote doesn't count as plagiarism.

darkraven said:From here:

image

That bolded part—you know, the bit about how "the path of the left hand is essentially the path of non-identity and non-unity with the objective universe"—is a straight-up, word-for-word rip-off from this book. Seriously, it's practically the introduction to the whole topic.

https://nationalsatanist.files.wordp..._hand_path.pdf

If anyone thinks I'm just messing around, go ahead and read the first chapter yourselves.

We're looking at a potential case of blatant plagiarism here, or at the very least, a massive lack of creativity and pure laziness.

If you’re sitting there expecting people to just whip up custom essays for you online without paying a dime, then you’re nothing more than a freeloader.
darkraven darkraven Active Member
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#57 ·
Andrew White6 said:You really should have included the word "potential" there, because let’s be honest—it's obvious to you that an anonymous quote doesn't count as plagiarism.

If you’re sitting there expecting people to just whip up custom essays for you online without paying a dime, then you’re nothing more than a freeloader.

What do you mean "anonymous"? That user Andrew White6 posted it as his own damn words. Did you mention later that you just translated and ripped it straight from that book?

And obviously, it's always better when someone actually uses their own voice and writes something original—you know, by using their brain for a second. It's called having an individuality. Something that's clearly not a concept LHP understands.
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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#58 ·
darkraven said:What do you mean "anonymous"? That user Andrew White6 posted it as his own damn words. Did you mention later that you just translated and ripped it straight from that book?

And obviously, it's always better when someone actually uses their own voice and writes something original—you know, by using their brain for a second. It's called having an individuality. Something that's clearly not a concept LHP understands.

I'm with you on that. If you're going to quote someone, it's just common courtesy to cite your source.
Andrew White6 Andrew White6 MemberOP
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#59 ·
Chris Williams said:Thanks for the heads-up. 🙂

I don't really have the energy to engage with anything that has the Church of Satan in the title, whether it's their take on spiritual left versus right, who thinks Lucifer is actually good, or if hoarding wealth is cool and inequality is just natural...

Please, let's not go there. It’s truly a tragedy when someone with such a vast breadth of knowledge loses the drive to explore subjects they clearly understand so deeply. That said, having a mental block isn't a valid excuse for spreading misinformation. The author isn't a member or even a follower of CoS, nor is that the sole focus of the book. CoS is merely addressed in one specific chapter as part of a larger look at various Left Hand Path practices.
Andrew White6 Andrew White6 MemberOP
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Joseph Bailey41 said:I'm with you on that. If you're going to quote someone, it's just common courtesy to cite your source.

That might be true, but it isn't practical. I intentionally leave out references to keep the scope of the conversation tight and minimize any room for red herrings.

darkraven said:What do you mean "anonymous"? That user Andrew White6 posted it as his own damn words. Did you mention later that you just translated and ripped it straight from that book?

And obviously, it's always better when someone actually uses their own voice and writes something original—you know, by using their brain for a second. It's called having an individuality. Something that's clearly not a concept LHP understands.

I’m sorry to disappoint you if you were hoping my forum posts would be presented in the format of an academic paper.

If you notice I haven't cited a source somewhere, it’s because I don't want you to know it. If you do manage to track it down, consider it a reward for your own effort—much like a diligent research assistant hunting down footnotes.

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