Crazy Talk Thread

Thomas Nelson25 said:What are the symptoms when it involves religious delusions—and why is getting help actually necessary? 😛

Joseph Bailey41 said:I’ve been wondering the exact same thing. I was just watching an interview with Pavun on YouTube, and honestly, the guy seems clearly psychotic, yet nobody thinks he needs help. So why would it be mandatory for Harold Anderson3 or anyone else?

(Just thinking out loud here—I don't want anyone to think I'm actually trying to push this kind of thing on anyone. 😳)

From what I gather, the whole point of treatment is just getting someone back to reality and grounded in the real world.
Obviously, you can't force someone into treatment unless they're a danger to themselves or others. But psychosis doesn't just vanish on its own. Someone who seems perfectly harmless today—preaching nothing but "love, God, and peace"—could decide tomorrow that the best way to spread that message is by storming a local mosque with an axe to show them the one true God.

Every psychosis gets worse if left untreated, which can lead to someone becoming dangerous, even if they aren't right out of the gate.

Brandon Lopez6 said:From what I gather, the whole point of treatment is just getting someone back to reality and grounded in the real world.
Obviously, you can't force someone into treatment unless they're a danger to themselves or others. But psychosis doesn't just vanish on its own. Someone who seems perfectly harmless today—preaching nothing but "love, God, and peace"—could decide tomorrow that the best way to spread that message is by storming a local mosque with an axe to show them the one true God.

Every psychosis gets worse if left untreated, which can lead to someone becoming dangerous, even if they aren't right out of the gate.

If all we have is love and peace, but no God involved... does that mean they'll start shooting too? 🤔

Harold Anderson3 said:I suppose that’s just how it goes. It is incredibly difficult to fine-tune medication dosages without constantly swinging between feeling completely depressed and hitting those manic highs associated with schizophrenia and similar disorders, so you really have to figure it out as you go. It’s a bit of a balancing act where if you take too much, you end up feeling like a total zombie, but if you don't take enough, it feels like the whole world belongs to you—and honestly, neither of those extremes is a healthy place to be. You're basically spending your time searching for that narrow, steady middle ground between those two extremes.

Everyone has their own frequency—it's just that for you, the depression hits so hard it's unbearable, so you have to rely on medication... but what would actually happen if you just quit cold turkey?

I mean, most people out there (even those with questionable mental health) are on something—tobacco, booze, or some kind of recreational drug, more or less...

Brandon Lopez6 said:From what I gather, the whole point of treatment is just getting someone back to reality and grounded in the real world.
Obviously, you can't force someone into treatment unless they're a danger to themselves or others. But psychosis doesn't just vanish on its own. Someone who seems perfectly harmless today—preaching nothing but "love, God, and peace"—could decide tomorrow that the best way to spread that message is by storming a local mosque with an axe to show them the one true God.

Every psychosis gets worse if left untreated, which can lead to someone becoming dangerous, even if they aren't right out of the gate.

True, but you’ve got two different sides here (and this goes for strong Christian believers too)—one might be a Sufi, while the other is the guy with the axe fighting holy wars.
The first type will never lash out at people; they'll just withdraw from society and leave everything in God's hands.

Of course, those folks who "hear" voices act like they're tougher. 😁

I mean, did Moses hear and see things too? Not really.

Thomas Nelson25 said:True, but you’ve got two different sides here (and this goes for strong Christian believers too)—one might be a Sufi, while the other is the guy with the axe fighting holy wars.
The first type will never lash out at people; they'll just withdraw from society and leave everything in God's hands.

Of course, those folks who "hear" voices act like they're tougher. 😁

I mean, did Moses hear and see things too? Not really.

True enough. And then you have Abraham, who was prepared to sacrifice his son just because he heard those voices—voices that, thankfully, changed their minds at the very last second. And that, apparently, is how we ended up with three major world religions.☕

Joseph Bailey41 said:If all we have is love and peace, but no God involved... does that mean they'll start shooting too? 🤔

Look, if they're psychotic, yeah, there's a real chance they become a danger to themselves and everyone else.
Since you brought up that whole "love-is-everything" guy, I figured I'd point out where that logic actually leads.

Thomas Nelson25 said:Everyone has their own frequency—it's just that for you, the depression hits so hard it's unbearable, so you have to rely on medication... but what would actually happen if you just quit cold turkey?

I mean, most people out there (even those with questionable mental health) are on something—tobacco, booze, or some kind of recreational drug, more or less...

You realize schizophrenia is an actual disease, right? Not just some "disorder."
Like, would you walk around asking diabetics if they really need that insulin, or why they don't just try living without it for, I don't know, a week? 🐔

Joseph Bailey41 said:True enough. And then you have Abraham, who was prepared to sacrifice his son just because he heard those voices—voices that, thankfully, changed their minds at the very last second. And that, apparently, is how we ended up with three major world religions.☕

Temptation... how do you even explain that being treated as "normal"?

If you take a closer look, a lot of those massive turning points or shifts in history... they have this specific vibe. It’s like things stick in our memory way more if there's a miracle involved.

Brandon Lopez6 said:Look, if they're psychotic, yeah, there's a real chance they become a danger to themselves and everyone else.
Since you brought up that whole "love-is-everything" guy, I figured I'd point out where that logic actually leads.

You realize schizophrenia is an actual disease, right? Not just some "disorder."
Like, would you walk around asking diabetics if they really need that insulin, or why they don't just try living without it for, I don't know, a week? 🐔

I think it's classified as a disorder in the manuals, though.
I get that there's stuff happening with brain chemistry and connections.

There's also schizotypal.

Thomas Nelson25 said:I think it's classified as a disorder in the manuals, though.
I get that there's stuff happening with brain chemistry and connections.

There's also schizotypal.

And it's a lifelong thing. You need treatment forever.
Just like diabetes.

So, honestly, why even ask someone who has to be on meds for the rest of their life why they shouldn't just stop taking them? 🍿

Brandon Lopez6 said:And it's a lifelong thing. You need treatment forever.
Just like diabetes.

So, honestly, why even ask someone who has to be on meds for the rest of their life why they shouldn't just stop taking them? 🍿

A diabetic will die if they stop taking insulin. Someone with schizophrenia won't.

Brandon Lopez6 said:And it's a lifelong thing. You need treatment forever.
Just like diabetes.

So, honestly, why even ask someone who has to be on meds for the rest of their life why they shouldn't just stop taking them? 🍿

I don't know all the specifics, but I'm curious—so things would just get worse, right?

Look, people who believe in Boise or aliens don't deal with stuff like this—there's your answer.

Joseph Bailey41 said:A diabetic will die if they stop taking insulin. Someone with schizophrenia won't.

Willy, technically speaking, people dealing with schizophrenia are actually at the highest risk when it comes to suicide attempts. So maybe they won't drop dead from skipping meds, but lacking that chemical balance in the brain could easily lead them to take their own life.

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Thomas Nelson25 said:I don't know all the specifics, but I'm curious—so things would just get worse, right?

Look, people who believe in Boise or aliens don't deal with stuff like this—there's your answer.

Guess what? 🤣.
Did I really say those two groups were out of their minds?

Nah, I don't have the answers.
Still at it.

Go ahead and Google it:
So, I was reading up on schizophrenia symptoms the other day. It’s heavy stuff. It isn't just one thing; it's more like this weird, messy spectrum of how the brain processes reality. You've got the "positive" symptoms—which sounds funny because they aren't actually good—like hallucinations where you're seeing or hearing things that just aren't there, or delusions where you're convinced of stuff that makes zero sense to anyone else. Then there's the "negative" side, which is more about things being stripped away—losing interest in life, feeling totally numb, or just struggling to find the energy to even talk. It can be pretty overwhelming to wrap your head around.
So, talking about bipolar symptoms... it’s not just "mood swings." People think it’s like being happy one minute and sad the next, but that’s not really how the madness works. It's more like living on two different planets. On one side, you've got the manic stuff. It’s not just feeling good; it’s feeling invincible. You might stay up until 4 AM tearing apart a DIY project or suddenly decide you're going to start a tech startup in Austin overnight. Your brain feels like it has fifty tabs open and they're all playing different songs at full volume. You spend money you don't have, talk a mile a minute, and feel like you're finally seeing the world in high definition while everyone else is stuck in black and white. Then there's the crash. The depressive side isn't just being "bummed out." It’s heavy. It’s like walking through waist-deep mud every single day. You lose interest in everything—even the stuff you usually love, like watching the game or grabbing a burger with friends. Everything feels gray, exhausting, and totally pointless. It’s a wild ride, and honestly, it's pretty draining when you're stuck in the middle of it.
A psychotic break.
So, what exactly is a delusion?

And we'll talk then. 🙂

Thomas Nelson25 said:I don't know all the specifics, but I'm curious—so things would just get worse, right?

Look, people who believe in Boise or aliens don't deal with stuff like this—there's your answer.

I’m honestly getting a bit lost here. Are we talking about someone being genuinely delusional if they believe in aliens—like, thinking they can actually communicate telepathically or something—or is it more of a biological thing? Like, is it just a case where someone has an excess of dopamine running through their brain when they hold those beliefs? I mean, you obviously can't measure that specific spike directly, but you could assume those elevated levels are there whenever someone starts claiming they believe in extraterrestrials.

I honestly thought putting my thoughts down on paper would make everything clearer, but it actually just made things more confusing. 😵

Brandon Lopez6 said:Willy, technically speaking, people dealing with schizophrenia are actually at the highest risk when it comes to suicide attempts. So maybe they won't drop dead from skipping meds, but lacking that chemical balance in the brain could easily lead them to take their own life.

link

I was just reading this:

Specific periods where individuals with schizophrenia often face increased suicidal tendencies include
1) Times when they are experiencing intense psychosis and are disconnected from reality,
2) During bouts of severe depression,
3) Within the first 6 to 9 months of starting medication, once they begin to think more clearly and process the realization that they have schizophrenia (along with all the heavy stigma attached to it).

Point number three really trips me up. I mean, the idea that clearer thinking actually leads to suicide? It doesn't quite click for me. I can wrap my head around the first two points, but that third one feels strange.

There actually are a few ways to get that click.
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Brandon Lopez6 said:Guess what? 🤣.
Did I really say those two groups were out of their minds?

Nah, I don't have the answers.
Still at it.

Go ahead and Google it:
So, I was reading up on schizophrenia symptoms the other day. It’s heavy stuff. It isn't just one thing; it's more like this weird, messy spectrum of how the brain processes reality. You've got the "positive" symptoms—which sounds funny because they aren't actually good—like hallucinations where you're seeing or hearing things that just aren't there, or delusions where you're convinced of stuff that makes zero sense to anyone else. Then there's the "negative" side, which is more about things being stripped away—losing interest in life, feeling totally numb, or just struggling to find the energy to even talk. It can be pretty overwhelming to wrap your head around.
So, talking about bipolar symptoms... it’s not just "mood swings." People think it’s like being happy one minute and sad the next, but that’s not really how the madness works. It's more like living on two different planets. On one side, you've got the manic stuff. It’s not just feeling good; it’s feeling invincible. You might stay up until 4 AM tearing apart a DIY project or suddenly decide you're going to start a tech startup in Austin overnight. Your brain feels like it has fifty tabs open and they're all playing different songs at full volume. You spend money you don't have, talk a mile a minute, and feel like you're finally seeing the world in high definition while everyone else is stuck in black and white. Then there's the crash. The depressive side isn't just being "bummed out." It’s heavy. It’s like walking through waist-deep mud every single day. You lose interest in everything—even the stuff you usually love, like watching the game or grabbing a burger with friends. Everything feels gray, exhausting, and totally pointless. It’s a wild ride, and honestly, it's pretty draining when you're stuck in the middle of it.
A psychotic break.
So, what exactly is a delusion?

And we'll talk then. 🙂

Actually, yeah, I have—looked into all that ages ago. ;D

I'm thinking that's Group A, if you want to categorize them.
(honestly, I probably fit in there too 😁 , though you can find bits of it everywhere)

Joseph Bailey41 said:I was just reading this:

Specific periods where individuals with schizophrenia often face increased suicidal tendencies include
1) Times when they are experiencing intense psychosis and are disconnected from reality,
2) During bouts of severe depression,
3) Within the first 6 to 9 months of starting medication, once they begin to think more clearly and process the realization that they have schizophrenia (along with all the heavy stigma attached to it).

Point number three really trips me up. I mean, the idea that clearer thinking actually leads to suicide? It doesn't quite click for me. I can wrap my head around the first two points, but that third one feels strange.

Schizophrenia is just a heavy, miserable disease. It brings nothing but bad news and—I know this sounds harsh—pretty much zero good things.
When someone is spiraling in a psychotic episode, they aren't really aware (or at least not fully aware) of what's actually happening to them. But once the meds kick in and they finally snap back to reality—once the symptoms clear up—they're hit with the brutal realization that they're dealing with one of the worst mental health struggles out there.
Some people just can't wrap their heads around that. Especially since schizophrenia isn't something you "fix," it's genetic, and it pretty much rewrites the rest of your life.
I honestly believe that’s when a certain number of people decide they've had enough.

I'd compare it to finding out you have HIV.
Maybe it’s easier to cope if you're too far gone to process it, but trying to find a silver lining in something that negative is exhausting. Sometimes, giving up just feels like the easier path.
I don't blame them, especially those who don't have a solid support system of family, friends, or doctors behind them.

Brandon Lopez6 said:There actually are a few ways to get that click.
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From the article on scanning:

Given how much we've learned about the role of the brain in mental illness, many people are surprised to learn that we can't know what psychiatric diagnosis a person has—or even if the person has any diagnosis—by examining that person's brain.

So, that’s basically a dead end. And from what I gather, even using a single electrode is still just in the experimental stages. If that's the case, how am I even supposed to check if I'm experiencing psychosis? How does that work? 😠

Joseph Bailey41 said:I’m honestly getting a bit lost here. Are we talking about someone being genuinely delusional if they believe in aliens—like, thinking they can actually communicate telepathically or something—or is it more of a biological thing? Like, is it just a case where someone has an excess of dopamine running through their brain when they hold those beliefs? I mean, you obviously can't measure that specific spike directly, but you could assume those elevated levels are there whenever someone starts claiming they believe in extraterrestrials.

I honestly thought putting my thoughts down on paper would make everything clearer, but it actually just made things more confusing. 😵

I guess it really depends on what kind of "frequency" you're vibing with—though for anyone actually deep-diving into the whole supernatural thing, it’s pretty self-explanatory.
Once you're in that headspace, things just start "revealing" themselves to you, you know? Like, everything just clicks. 🙄