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A deep dive into attraction to trans people

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Jacob Miller4 Jacob Miller4 NewcomerOP
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joined Feb 2018
#1 ·
Transgender people strike me as a pretty fascinating phenomenon. It isn’t just about the individuals themselves—though there has already been plenty written about gender dysphoria in Psychology here and here—it’s also about how everyone else reacts to them.

It seems that even in places where transgender visibility is relatively high, like Thailand or Brazil, they aren't entirely shielded from social stigma. They still tend to exist in a sort of half-world. Take Thailand, for example: you see them everywhere, and they aren't getting jumped in the streets or called slurs constantly, but finding a job outside of the sex industry is an uphill battle. Most end up in janitorial work. It’s a similar story in Brazil. I have better intel on that because I used to be friends with a Brazilian gay man—not trans himself, but he knew quite a few during his time in New York City. He told me the biggest hurdle is employment. They fare better on the street, where demand is high and the pay for sex work is actually better than what men earn, but if someone wants a "normal" career, the options are incredibly narrow, usually circling back to cleaning houses.

That said, while there is significant social stigma surrounding such a radical shift in gender roles (which often involves "cosmetic" changes rather than full surgical reassignment—think silicone implants, removing the Adam's apple, and standard hormone therapy), things look different when you strip away the social norms and look at it from an individual level. As I touched on earlier, transgender prostitutes in New York City (according to my friend) can out-earn men in the same business. And everyone knows they are a major pillar of the sex industry in Thailand. My takeaway is that they simply tap into a market that exists beyond the traditional male homosexual demographic. In Thailand, this is even more obvious; a huge portion of their clientele consists of middle-aged, heterosexual white Australians. These guys identify as straight and only sleep with women, except for these specific encounters.

For the skeptics, here’s an even more interesting case... That Brazilian guy I mentioned is the type of effeminate man whose sexual orientation you can spot from thirty yards away. Honestly, he doesn't even try to hide it; it shows in his clothes, his gestures, and his facial expressions. Once, a buddy of his—just a friend, not a partner—came to visit him, and they ended up getting jumped on a beach here in the States. A group of guys saw them, identified them as gay (especially since one was clearly effeminate), and decided they needed to teach them a lesson. It traumatized my friend so much that for the rest of his trip in America, he was terrified of being attacked by strangers.

On the flip side, there was another instance involving an art project. He had to dress as a woman for the stage (he’s done this before, and I can vouch that his camouflage was top-tier—he actually looked better as a woman than he did as an effeminate man). After the work was done, he and the crew went out to a club in the city. He stayed in his feminine disguise (so, a typical transvestite without the breast implants or the missing Adam's apple...). He told me that throughout the night in that packed club, a massive number of men were hitting on him. Like, a lot. Between being attractive (😁), speaking English and Portuguese with a Latin accent, and being all dolled up and made up... it worked. What was particularly strange was that a good portion of those men kept flirting even after he told them he was male.

What I'm getting at is that while social stigma is one thing, when you look at the psychology, you see something else entirely. The typical male disdain for homosexuality often softens the moment the person looks like a woman. You have these "hardcore" straight men who probably think they sit at a 0 or maybe a 1 on the Kinsey scale, yet they'll travel to Thailand and flirt shamelessly with a gorgeous, stunning woman with beautiful clothes, perfect makeup, fragrant hair, smooth skin, and a small penis and testicles. Some even go as far as more than just flirting. How does that work?
Maria Barnes Maria Barnes Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#2 ·
It took me decades after hearing Lola by The Kinks to finally grasp what this song is actually about. It hit me hard. Especially since Ray Davis isn't exactly the world's most feminine guy. The shock was right up there with the twist in the Crying Game. Well, almost. 🙂

Lyric video here.
Justin Fisher Justin Fisher Member
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joined Oct 2011
#3 ·
Man, I find this topic absolutely fascinating, so huge thanks to whoever decided to kick this thread off.

I actually know this guy who honestly took him a hot minute to realize the person in this music video was actually a dude 😁



He even admitted—though he played it off with a bit of a joke, probably to save face—that he kind of caught feelings for a second. And the thing is, we're talking about someone who identifies as straight and doesn't really carry themselves in any way that feels "feminized," if you know what I mean. It cracked me up a little that he didn't clock that it was a man; maybe it’s just more obvious to us women, I don't know, I guess we'd have to ask some guys to get their take on it. But it really grabbed my attention because my train of thought is basically running parallel to yours here—this whole dynamic regarding straight men and trans or cross-dressing individuals is such an interesting rabbit hole to go down.
Donna White50 Donna White50 Regular
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joined Jan 2018
#4 ·
Jacob Miller4 said:Transgender people strike me as a pretty fascinating phenomenon. It isn’t just about the individuals themselves—though there has already been plenty written about gender dysphoria in Psychology here and here—it’s also about how everyone else reacts to them.

It seems that even in places where transgender visibility is relatively high, like Thailand or Brazil, they aren't entirely shielded from social stigma. They still tend to exist in a sort of half-world. Take Thailand, for example: you see them everywhere, and they aren't getting jumped in the streets or called slurs constantly, but finding a job outside of the sex industry is an uphill battle. Most end up in janitorial work. It’s a similar story in Brazil. I have better intel on that because I used to be friends with a Brazilian gay man—not trans himself, but he knew quite a few during his time in New York City. He told me the biggest hurdle is employment. They fare better on the street, where demand is high and the pay for sex work is actually better than what men earn, but if someone wants a "normal" career, the options are incredibly narrow, usually circling back to cleaning houses.

That said, while there is significant social stigma surrounding such a radical shift in gender roles (which often involves "cosmetic" changes rather than full surgical reassignment—think silicone implants, removing the Adam's apple, and standard hormone therapy), things look different when you strip away the social norms and look at it from an individual level. As I touched on earlier, transgender prostitutes in New York City (according to my friend) can out-earn men in the same business. And everyone knows they are a major pillar of the sex industry in Thailand. My takeaway is that they simply tap into a market that exists beyond the traditional male homosexual demographic. In Thailand, this is even more obvious; a huge portion of their clientele consists of middle-aged, heterosexual white Australians. These guys identify as straight and only sleep with women, except for these specific encounters.

For the skeptics, here’s an even more interesting case... That Brazilian guy I mentioned is the type of effeminate man whose sexual orientation you can spot from thirty yards away. Honestly, he doesn't even try to hide it; it shows in his clothes, his gestures, and his facial expressions. Once, a buddy of his—just a friend, not a partner—came to visit him, and they ended up getting jumped on a beach here in the States. A group of guys saw them, identified them as gay (especially since one was clearly effeminate), and decided they needed to teach them a lesson. It traumatized my friend so much that for the rest of his trip in America, he was terrified of being attacked by strangers.

On the flip side, there was another instance involving an art project. He had to dress as a woman for the stage (he’s done this before, and I can vouch that his camouflage was top-tier—he actually looked better as a woman than he did as an effeminate man). After the work was done, he and the crew went out to a club in the city. He stayed in his feminine disguise (so, a typical transvestite without the breast implants or the missing Adam's apple...). He told me that throughout the night in that packed club, a massive number of men were hitting on him. Like, a lot. Between being attractive (😁), speaking English and Portuguese with a Latin accent, and being all dolled up and made up... it worked. What was particularly strange was that a good portion of those men kept flirting even after he told them he was male.

What I'm getting at is that while social stigma is one thing, when you look at the psychology, you see something else entirely. The typical male disdain for homosexuality often softens the moment the person looks like a woman. You have these "hardcore" straight men who probably think they sit at a 0 or maybe a 1 on the Kinsey scale, yet they'll travel to Thailand and flirt shamelessly with a gorgeous, stunning woman with beautiful clothes, perfect makeup, fragrant hair, smooth skin, and a small penis and testicles. Some even go as far as more than just flirting. How does that work?

Honestly, most people aren't strictly heterosexual. Sexuality is such a messy, complicated concept... In this era of sexual freedom, new definitions seem to pop up everywhere like mushrooms after rain. Even people who identify as asexual often end up defining their sexuality conditionally—basically saying, "well, if certain criteria are met..." Most people are naturally curious, and in certain situations, they're definitely open to experimenting with the same sex to some degree. It's super common with women who claim to be straight but might experiment if a really hot, famous celebrity walks into the room. It goes for men too, but society makes it so stigmatized that it turns into this weird disgust toward anything "different." Of course, under the right circumstances, guys want to explore, and the experience of being with someone who has feminine traits despite having a penis can be genuinely intriguing... humans are drawn to the new and unknown. Plus, look at how much transgender content dominates porn searches. Sure, a lot of that is driven by porn addicts looking for a specific thrill, but it clearly shows how fluid our sexuality actually is...

On top of that, a lot of the people who fight the hardest against homosexuality are actually just suppressing their own homosexual fantasies. They can't accept them, so it creates this intense emotional tension—leading to hatred, judgment, and self-loathing that they just project onto others who remind them of themselves...

Then there's the whole transgender issue, which is... sensitive, to say the least. Even psychiatrists are split on it. It falls under the umbrella of paraphilias, and while money can buy almost any aesthetic change these days, I don't think it's fair to project individual sexual struggles onto society and call it a "right to happiness." Both homosexuality and transgenderism are being marketed today as "trendy" or "desirable." It’s hard to tell what’s actually desirable and what’s just a trend... I just feel bad seeing kids before they've even hit puberty—before they even understand their own sexuality—being swayed by things that could end up ruining their lives, all just so someone else can turn a profit through porn, prostitution, or cosmetic surgeries. That's the real issue with modern society. Just look at the endless categories on porn sites and how many addicts there are; those addicts create the demand for these videos, which then gets pushed back onto society and specific subcultures through the industry... As a society, we've completely lost our way with liberalism. We're calling things "healthy" when they aren't, and labeling the distorted as "desirable," all in the name of fame and cold, hard cash...
Betty Fowler Betty Fowler Active Member
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joined Apr 2018
#5 ·
Donna White50 said:Honestly, most people aren't strictly heterosexual. Sexuality is such a messy, complicated concept... In this era of sexual freedom, new definitions seem to pop up everywhere like mushrooms after rain. Even people who identify as asexual often end up defining their sexuality conditionally—basically saying, "well, if certain criteria are met..." Most people are naturally curious, and in certain situations, they're definitely open to experimenting with the same sex to some degree. It's super common with women who claim to be straight but might experiment if a really hot, famous celebrity walks into the room. It goes for men too, but society makes it so stigmatized that it turns into this weird disgust toward anything "different." Of course, under the right circumstances, guys want to explore, and the experience of being with someone who has feminine traits despite having a penis can be genuinely intriguing... humans are drawn to the new and unknown. Plus, look at how much transgender content dominates porn searches. Sure, a lot of that is driven by porn addicts looking for a specific thrill, but it clearly shows how fluid our sexuality actually is...

On top of that, a lot of the people who fight the hardest against homosexuality are actually just suppressing their own homosexual fantasies. They can't accept them, so it creates this intense emotional tension—leading to hatred, judgment, and self-loathing that they just project onto others who remind them of themselves...

Then there's the whole transgender issue, which is... sensitive, to say the least. Even psychiatrists are split on it. It falls under the umbrella of paraphilias, and while money can buy almost any aesthetic change these days, I don't think it's fair to project individual sexual struggles onto society and call it a "right to happiness." Both homosexuality and transgenderism are being marketed today as "trendy" or "desirable." It’s hard to tell what’s actually desirable and what’s just a trend... I just feel bad seeing kids before they've even hit puberty—before they even understand their own sexuality—being swayed by things that could end up ruining their lives, all just so someone else can turn a profit through porn, prostitution, or cosmetic surgeries. That's the real issue with modern society. Just look at the endless categories on porn sites and how many addicts there are; those addicts create the demand for these videos, which then gets pushed back onto society and specific subcultures through the industry... As a society, we've completely lost our way with liberalism. We're calling things "healthy" when they aren't, and labeling the distorted as "desirable," all in the name of fame and cold, hard cash...

I feel like I've heard this one somewhere before. It’s pure nonsense. To put it bluntly, you're claiming that most people are bisexual, which simply isn't true.

Donna White50 said:Honestly, most people aren't strictly heterosexual. Sexuality is such a messy, complicated concept... In this era of sexual freedom, new definitions seem to pop up everywhere like mushrooms after rain. Even people who identify as asexual often end up defining their sexuality conditionally—basically saying, "well, if certain criteria are met..." Most people are naturally curious, and in certain situations, they're definitely open to experimenting with the same sex to some degree. It's super common with women who claim to be straight but might experiment if a really hot, famous celebrity walks into the room. It goes for men too, but society makes it so stigmatized that it turns into this weird disgust toward anything "different." Of course, under the right circumstances, guys want to explore, and the experience of being with someone who has feminine traits despite having a penis can be genuinely intriguing... humans are drawn to the new and unknown. Plus, look at how much transgender content dominates porn searches. Sure, a lot of that is driven by porn addicts looking for a specific thrill, but it clearly shows how fluid our sexuality actually is...

On top of that, a lot of the people who fight the hardest against homosexuality are actually just suppressing their own homosexual fantasies. They can't accept them, so it creates this intense emotional tension—leading to hatred, judgment, and self-loathing that they just project onto others who remind them of themselves...

Then there's the whole transgender issue, which is... sensitive, to say the least. Even psychiatrists are split on it. It falls under the umbrella of paraphilias, and while money can buy almost any aesthetic change these days, I don't think it's fair to project individual sexual struggles onto society and call it a "right to happiness." Both homosexuality and transgenderism are being marketed today as "trendy" or "desirable." It’s hard to tell what’s actually desirable and what’s just a trend... I just feel bad seeing kids before they've even hit puberty—before they even understand their own sexuality—being swayed by things that could end up ruining their lives, all just so someone else can turn a profit through porn, prostitution, or cosmetic surgeries. That's the real issue with modern society. Just look at the endless categories on porn sites and how many addicts there are; those addicts create the demand for these videos, which then gets pushed back onto society and specific subcultures through the industry... As a society, we've completely lost our way with liberalism. We're calling things "healthy" when they aren't, and labeling the distorted as "desirable," all in the name of fame and cold, hard cash...

Do you actually have any data to back that up, or are you just pulling it out of thin air?

Donna White50 said:Honestly, most people aren't strictly heterosexual. Sexuality is such a messy, complicated concept... In this era of sexual freedom, new definitions seem to pop up everywhere like mushrooms after rain. Even people who identify as asexual often end up defining their sexuality conditionally—basically saying, "well, if certain criteria are met..." Most people are naturally curious, and in certain situations, they're definitely open to experimenting with the same sex to some degree. It's super common with women who claim to be straight but might experiment if a really hot, famous celebrity walks into the room. It goes for men too, but society makes it so stigmatized that it turns into this weird disgust toward anything "different." Of course, under the right circumstances, guys want to explore, and the experience of being with someone who has feminine traits despite having a penis can be genuinely intriguing... humans are drawn to the new and unknown. Plus, look at how much transgender content dominates porn searches. Sure, a lot of that is driven by porn addicts looking for a specific thrill, but it clearly shows how fluid our sexuality actually is...

On top of that, a lot of the people who fight the hardest against homosexuality are actually just suppressing their own homosexual fantasies. They can't accept them, so it creates this intense emotional tension—leading to hatred, judgment, and self-loathing that they just project onto others who remind them of themselves...

Then there's the whole transgender issue, which is... sensitive, to say the least. Even psychiatrists are split on it. It falls under the umbrella of paraphilias, and while money can buy almost any aesthetic change these days, I don't think it's fair to project individual sexual struggles onto society and call it a "right to happiness." Both homosexuality and transgenderism are being marketed today as "trendy" or "desirable." It’s hard to tell what’s actually desirable and what’s just a trend... I just feel bad seeing kids before they've even hit puberty—before they even understand their own sexuality—being swayed by things that could end up ruining their lives, all just so someone else can turn a profit through porn, prostitution, or cosmetic surgeries. That's the real issue with modern society. Just look at the endless categories on porn sites and how many addicts there are; those addicts create the demand for these videos, which then gets pushed back onto society and specific subcultures through the industry... As a society, we've completely lost our way with liberalism. We're calling things "healthy" when they aren't, and labeling the distorted as "desirable," all in the name of fame and cold, hard cash...

Spot on.

Donna White50 said:Honestly, most people aren't strictly heterosexual. Sexuality is such a messy, complicated concept... In this era of sexual freedom, new definitions seem to pop up everywhere like mushrooms after rain. Even people who identify as asexual often end up defining their sexuality conditionally—basically saying, "well, if certain criteria are met..." Most people are naturally curious, and in certain situations, they're definitely open to experimenting with the same sex to some degree. It's super common with women who claim to be straight but might experiment if a really hot, famous celebrity walks into the room. It goes for men too, but society makes it so stigmatized that it turns into this weird disgust toward anything "different." Of course, under the right circumstances, guys want to explore, and the experience of being with someone who has feminine traits despite having a penis can be genuinely intriguing... humans are drawn to the new and unknown. Plus, look at how much transgender content dominates porn searches. Sure, a lot of that is driven by porn addicts looking for a specific thrill, but it clearly shows how fluid our sexuality actually is...

On top of that, a lot of the people who fight the hardest against homosexuality are actually just suppressing their own homosexual fantasies. They can't accept them, so it creates this intense emotional tension—leading to hatred, judgment, and self-loathing that they just project onto others who remind them of themselves...

Then there's the whole transgender issue, which is... sensitive, to say the least. Even psychiatrists are split on it. It falls under the umbrella of paraphilias, and while money can buy almost any aesthetic change these days, I don't think it's fair to project individual sexual struggles onto society and call it a "right to happiness." Both homosexuality and transgenderism are being marketed today as "trendy" or "desirable." It’s hard to tell what’s actually desirable and what’s just a trend... I just feel bad seeing kids before they've even hit puberty—before they even understand their own sexuality—being swayed by things that could end up ruining their lives, all just so someone else can turn a profit through porn, prostitution, or cosmetic surgeries. That's the real issue with modern society. Just look at the endless categories on porn sites and how many addicts there are; those addicts create the demand for these videos, which then gets pushed back onto society and specific subcultures through the industry... As a society, we've completely lost our way with liberalism. We're calling things "healthy" when they aren't, and labeling the distorted as "desirable," all in the name of fame and cold, hard cash...

It seems like this only happens when someone develops a strong, persistent reaction to homosexuality.
I don't personally support homosexuality, though it isn't something I spend much time talking about or dwelling on.

Donna White50 said:Honestly, most people aren't strictly heterosexual. Sexuality is such a messy, complicated concept... In this era of sexual freedom, new definitions seem to pop up everywhere like mushrooms after rain. Even people who identify as asexual often end up defining their sexuality conditionally—basically saying, "well, if certain criteria are met..." Most people are naturally curious, and in certain situations, they're definitely open to experimenting with the same sex to some degree. It's super common with women who claim to be straight but might experiment if a really hot, famous celebrity walks into the room. It goes for men too, but society makes it so stigmatized that it turns into this weird disgust toward anything "different." Of course, under the right circumstances, guys want to explore, and the experience of being with someone who has feminine traits despite having a penis can be genuinely intriguing... humans are drawn to the new and unknown. Plus, look at how much transgender content dominates porn searches. Sure, a lot of that is driven by porn addicts looking for a specific thrill, but it clearly shows how fluid our sexuality actually is...

On top of that, a lot of the people who fight the hardest against homosexuality are actually just suppressing their own homosexual fantasies. They can't accept them, so it creates this intense emotional tension—leading to hatred, judgment, and self-loathing that they just project onto others who remind them of themselves...

Then there's the whole transgender issue, which is... sensitive, to say the least. Even psychiatrists are split on it. It falls under the umbrella of paraphilias, and while money can buy almost any aesthetic change these days, I don't think it's fair to project individual sexual struggles onto society and call it a "right to happiness." Both homosexuality and transgenderism are being marketed today as "trendy" or "desirable." It’s hard to tell what’s actually desirable and what’s just a trend... I just feel bad seeing kids before they've even hit puberty—before they even understand their own sexuality—being swayed by things that could end up ruining their lives, all just so someone else can turn a profit through porn, prostitution, or cosmetic surgeries. That's the real issue with modern society. Just look at the endless categories on porn sites and how many addicts there are; those addicts create the demand for these videos, which then gets pushed back onto society and specific subcultures through the industry... As a society, we've completely lost our way with liberalism. We're calling things "healthy" when they aren't, and labeling the distorted as "desirable," all in the name of fame and cold, hard cash...

I couldn't agree more.
Jacob Miller4 Jacob Miller4 NewcomerOP
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#6 ·
Betty Fowler, I’m not sure how closely you read my opening post, but frankly, I couldn't care less about the homophobic perspective on trans people. There are plenty of reasons for that, but I’ll boil it down to two:

1. That specific viewpoint is pretty much a cliché because, as we’ve seen, many homophobes rarely miss an opportunity to air it.

So, if we're talking about trans individuals, you seem to think it's some kind of infectious disease that needs to be suppressed to prevent it from spreading through the population. Fine. To me, that take is incredibly stupid, but I’ve heard it enough times to know I don't want to debate it here—that wasn't why I started this thread. If you or anyone else wants to dissect the psyche of someone so terrified of gay people that they believe being exposed to them is "contagious," feel free to start a different thread. My only point to those who would try to "cure" homosexuality through things like medication, vaccines, electroshock therapy, psychoanalysis, or isolation is that their own irrational fear could just as easily be treated with those exact same methods, often with equally "successful" results.

2. Even if we ignore the scientific studies suggesting there’s a high number of latent homosexuals among aggressive homophobes—and let's just pretend for a second that isn't true—the homophobic perspective still doesn't matter here. In my intro, I made it clear that I am interested in how, despite all the social stigma, trans people intrigue and sexually attract certain men who aren't gay. Therefore, those holding onto rigid traditionalist stances aren't relevant to this discussion. They can stay right where they are.

What I find intriguing is what's going on with everyone else. Where does this intense interest in pornography (which Donna White50 mentioned) come from, whether it's in Thailand or on the streets of São Paulo? Even a casual crossdresser once shared their experiences with me regarding a night out at a popular club back home. There are even great cinematic examples of this: in that excellent Almodóvar film, All About Mother, a trans mother mentions at one point that a huge number of straight men are drawn to her, something she never experienced when she was a gay man.
Donna White50 Donna White50 Regular
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#7 ·
Jacob Miller4 said:Betty Fowler, I’m not sure how closely you read my opening post, but frankly, I couldn't care less about the homophobic perspective on trans people. There are plenty of reasons for that, but I’ll boil it down to two:

1. That specific viewpoint is pretty much a cliché because, as we’ve seen, many homophobes rarely miss an opportunity to air it.

So, if we're talking about trans individuals, you seem to think it's some kind of infectious disease that needs to be suppressed to prevent it from spreading through the population. Fine. To me, that take is incredibly stupid, but I’ve heard it enough times to know I don't want to debate it here—that wasn't why I started this thread. If you or anyone else wants to dissect the psyche of someone so terrified of gay people that they believe being exposed to them is "contagious," feel free to start a different thread. My only point to those who would try to "cure" homosexuality through things like medication, vaccines, electroshock therapy, psychoanalysis, or isolation is that their own irrational fear could just as easily be treated with those exact same methods, often with equally "successful" results.

2. Even if we ignore the scientific studies suggesting there’s a high number of latent homosexuals among aggressive homophobes—and let's just pretend for a second that isn't true—the homophobic perspective still doesn't matter here. In my intro, I made it clear that I am interested in how, despite all the social stigma, trans people intrigue and sexually attract certain men who aren't gay. Therefore, those holding onto rigid traditionalist stances aren't relevant to this discussion. They can stay right where they are.

What I find intriguing is what's going on with everyone else. Where does this intense interest in pornography (which Donna White50 mentioned) come from, whether it's in Thailand or on the streets of São Paulo? Even a casual crossdresser once shared their experiences with me regarding a night out at a popular club back home. There are even great cinematic examples of this: in that excellent Almodóvar film, All About Mother, a trans mother mentions at one point that a huge number of straight men are drawn to her, something she never experienced when she was a gay man.

Look, I touched on this in my first post... but let me break it down a bit more..
First off, a ton of guys are just naturally curious about their own sexuality. They aren't necessarily ruling out the possibility of getting into some kind of homosexual activity, certain fetishes, fantasies, or even masochistic stuff down the road. In fact, homoerotic fetishes can be one of the most intense ways to humiliate a straight guy during BDSM play... a lot of men will "submit" or put on women's clothes simply because they're being pushed to by a dominant partner, and honestly, that feeling of being humiliated provides a massive rush of sexual excitement for them. Plus, let's be real—men are obsessed with penises, whether it's their own or someone else's. A trans woman has all the feminine attributes men go crazy for—the hair, the breasts, the ass, the attitude, the walk—but she also has that male anatomy which is inherently intriguing to a lot of guys. Many men will have sex with someone like that just because it's a wild experience, something new that turns them on, or just an easy way to flex their sexual dominance. They don't view it as "having sex with a man," they don't perceive it that way, or frankly, they just don't care... they got turned on by something fresh and different and they just satisfied that urge...
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
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#8 ·
My ex used to mention all the time how much he was drawn to certain types of people (of the male gender).

After I kept pushing him to actually explain what he meant by that, he finally admitted it was because they were just hyper-sexy—manicured hands, always eager to please, and so on...
I honestly can't tell if he was being sincere or if he was just dropping a subtle hint directed right at me: basically saying he prefers Barbies, both in the bedroom and in the kitchen. You know, the whole "be beautiful and shut up" vibe!

Still...
Looking back, I think—at least in my ex's case—it was really about a primal urge for total dominance over another person. In his specific case, it was a double dose: dominating the man (because he has a penis) and dominating the woman (because she looks and acts like a Barbie).

The line "all about Mother" came up. My favorite part from that movie is definitely: agrado.
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
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joined Feb 2010
#9 ·
I was scrolling through photos of those famous ladyboys from Thailand, and honestly? A huge chunk of them look better than most girls out there (myself included) 😁.

I’ve noticed more and more Western guys joining the whole "weeboo" crowd, dreaming about that perfect, tiny Japanese girl—though people use the term for anyone obsessed with Asian women in general.
In my opinion, you can probably find that petite, delicate look in Thailand where you can't even tell if someone is 15 or 25, which is apparently a massive thrill for some guys.
Legally speaking, they don't even look like they aren't 😳.

As far as the sex goes, I think most of them (like Sam Alvarez4 mentioned) actually crave double dominance. Only a small number want to be the bottom in that scenario—even though a good portion of them have working equipment since they aren't all on hormones that make things... less functional or totally non-functional.

In today's world where everything is so accessible, I guess this is maybe the last bit of (legal) variety left.
Back in the day, people used to lose their minds over porn stars because they looked so different from regular girls. Fake boobs, that specific porn aesthetic, certain outfits—that wasn't exactly common in the mainstream. But now, when you walk around a major US city, you can always find someone who looks exactly like that... just look at reality TV starlets, or especially those girls from our neighbors to the East 😁.

On the flip side, Thailand is a long way off. It’s not like you can just hop on a plane for a weekend trip. Between the money and the time, it's a stretch.
So, it stays a nice fantasy, and it's questionable how many people would actually pull the trigger on making it happen.
(Reminds me of this story on Reddit about a guy who was really into scat. He spent years hyper-focused on it, but once he finally set everything up and it was time to go down, he realized he didn't actually want it 😁.)

I mean, why do people generally go to prostitutes?
There have been tons of threads on this, and there's still no "scientific" answer. It’s just personal stuff like "it’s easier" or "I don't have to worry about her taste for once"...

Regarding this topic, I bet everyone dreaming about it has their own specific reason that wouldn't apply to anyone else.
It was actually pretty interesting talking to this one guy who isn't gay at all, but has this desire. I realized he couldn't explain it to me in a way that would make sense, just like I couldn't explain to lesbians why I only want to hook up with men, or why people don't get the whole celibacy concept.
It's just not wired into us, so no matter how hard we try, we can't fully grasp what's going on in someone else's head.
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I totally missed that Andrea mentioned the Crying game earlier. Honestly, that’s a fantastic, layered movie with some really solid character development. Just in case anyone hasn't seen it, the plot follows a soldier who falls hard for this incredibly attractive woman, only to eventually find out she's transgender. It’s a clever setup because the audience is kept in the dark for most of the film, so we're just riding along with him as he falls for this beauty. That said, what happens in the movie is actually quite different from what we're discussing here: the protagonist is essentially operating under a misconception, and once he realizes the truth, his whole struggle is about how to process who he's actually fallen for. Transgender people weren't his "type" before this happened.
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Betty Fowler said:Look, let's be real here—at the end of the day, our entire existence depends on reproduction. If a society fails to create the actual conditions necessary to support bringing new life into the world, then that society is basically signing its own death warrant. It's just common sense.

Honestly, the percentage of transgender and gay people is so incredibly small that bringing up some apocalyptic scenario about "unsecured reproduction" is just complete nonsense. It’s pure nonsense! And even if—by some wild stroke of luck or fate—everyone suddenly became gay or transgender overnight, our science and technology have advanced way too far for us to worry about the survival of the species. We have the tools to ensure humanity keeps moving forward regardless. Besides, let's be real: if we all ended up disappearing tomorrow, it certainly wouldn't be the worst thing to ever happen to this world.

Brandon Lopez6 said:I was scrolling through photos of those famous ladyboys from Thailand, and honestly? A huge chunk of them look better than most girls out there (myself included) 😁.

I’ve noticed more and more Western guys joining the whole "weeboo" crowd, dreaming about that perfect, tiny Japanese girl—though people use the term for anyone obsessed with Asian women in general.
In my opinion, you can probably find that petite, delicate look in Thailand where you can't even tell if someone is 15 or 25, which is apparently a massive thrill for some guys.
Legally speaking, they don't even look like they aren't 😳.

As far as the sex goes, I think most of them (like Sam Alvarez4 mentioned) actually crave double dominance. Only a small number want to be the bottom in that scenario—even though a good portion of them have working equipment since they aren't all on hormones that make things... less functional or totally non-functional.

In today's world where everything is so accessible, I guess this is maybe the last bit of (legal) variety left.
Back in the day, people used to lose their minds over porn stars because they looked so different from regular girls. Fake boobs, that specific porn aesthetic, certain outfits—that wasn't exactly common in the mainstream. But now, when you walk around a major US city, you can always find someone who looks exactly like that... just look at reality TV starlets, or especially those girls from our neighbors to the East 😁.

On the flip side, Thailand is a long way off. It’s not like you can just hop on a plane for a weekend trip. Between the money and the time, it's a stretch.
So, it stays a nice fantasy, and it's questionable how many people would actually pull the trigger on making it happen.
(Reminds me of this story on Reddit about a guy who was really into scat. He spent years hyper-focused on it, but once he finally set everything up and it was time to go down, he realized he didn't actually want it 😁.)

I mean, why do people generally go to prostitutes?
There have been tons of threads on this, and there's still no "scientific" answer. It’s just personal stuff like "it’s easier" or "I don't have to worry about her taste for once"...

Regarding this topic, I bet everyone dreaming about it has their own specific reason that wouldn't apply to anyone else.
It was actually pretty interesting talking to this one guy who isn't gay at all, but has this desire. I realized he couldn't explain it to me in a way that would make sense, just like I couldn't explain to lesbians why I only want to hook up with men, or why people don't get the whole celibacy concept.
It's just not wired into us, so no matter how hard we try, we can't fully grasp what's going on in someone else's head.

Honestly, looking at everything that’s been said, the only thing in that list that isn't actually "natural" is celibacy. If you really think about it, both heterosexuality and homosexuality are perfectly natural parts of the human experience.

Jacob Miller4 said:Transgender people strike me as a pretty fascinating phenomenon. It isn’t just about the individuals themselves—though there has already been plenty written about gender dysphoria in Psychology here and here—it’s also about how everyone else reacts to them.

It seems that even in places where transgender visibility is relatively high, like Thailand or Brazil, they aren't entirely shielded from social stigma. They still tend to exist in a sort of half-world. Take Thailand, for example: you see them everywhere, and they aren't getting jumped in the streets or called slurs constantly, but finding a job outside of the sex industry is an uphill battle. Most end up in janitorial work. It’s a similar story in Brazil. I have better intel on that because I used to be friends with a Brazilian gay man—not trans himself, but he knew quite a few during his time in New York City. He told me the biggest hurdle is employment. They fare better on the street, where demand is high and the pay for sex work is actually better than what men earn, but if someone wants a "normal" career, the options are incredibly narrow, usually circling back to cleaning houses.

That said, while there is significant social stigma surrounding such a radical shift in gender roles (which often involves "cosmetic" changes rather than full surgical reassignment—think silicone implants, removing the Adam's apple, and standard hormone therapy), things look different when you strip away the social norms and look at it from an individual level. As I touched on earlier, transgender prostitutes in New York City (according to my friend) can out-earn men in the same business. And everyone knows they are a major pillar of the sex industry in Thailand. My takeaway is that they simply tap into a market that exists beyond the traditional male homosexual demographic. In Thailand, this is even more obvious; a huge portion of their clientele consists of middle-aged, heterosexual white Australians. These guys identify as straight and only sleep with women, except for these specific encounters.

For the skeptics, here’s an even more interesting case... That Brazilian guy I mentioned is the type of effeminate man whose sexual orientation you can spot from thirty yards away. Honestly, he doesn't even try to hide it; it shows in his clothes, his gestures, and his facial expressions. Once, a buddy of his—just a friend, not a partner—came to visit him, and they ended up getting jumped on a beach here in the States. A group of guys saw them, identified them as gay (especially since one was clearly effeminate), and decided they needed to teach them a lesson. It traumatized my friend so much that for the rest of his trip in America, he was terrified of being attacked by strangers.

On the flip side, there was another instance involving an art project. He had to dress as a woman for the stage (he’s done this before, and I can vouch that his camouflage was top-tier—he actually looked better as a woman than he did as an effeminate man). After the work was done, he and the crew went out to a club in the city. He stayed in his feminine disguise (so, a typical transvestite without the breast implants or the missing Adam's apple...). He told me that throughout the night in that packed club, a massive number of men were hitting on him. Like, a lot. Between being attractive (😁), speaking English and Portuguese with a Latin accent, and being all dolled up and made up... it worked. What was particularly strange was that a good portion of those men kept flirting even after he told them he was male.

What I'm getting at is that while social stigma is one thing, when you look at the psychology, you see something else entirely. The typical male disdain for homosexuality often softens the moment the person looks like a woman. You have these "hardcore" straight men who probably think they sit at a 0 or maybe a 1 on the Kinsey scale, yet they'll travel to Thailand and flirt shamelessly with a gorgeous, stunning woman with beautiful clothes, perfect makeup, fragrant hair, smooth skin, and a small penis and testicles. Some even go as far as more than just flirting. How does that work?

I honestly think that in those more superficial or even just casually sexual situations, some guys really struggle to look past the visual aspect of things. It’s like, for them, the "how it looks" part carries way more weight than what's actually going on underneath. I mean, let's be real—a lot of those men would probably hit a massive wall if they ever tried to build a genuine, deep emotional connection with a transgender person. At that level, you can't just rely on what catches your eye; you actually have to be able to listen, empathize, and truly understand who someone is.

Jacob Miller4 said:Transgender people strike me as a pretty fascinating phenomenon. It isn’t just about the individuals themselves—though there has already been plenty written about gender dysphoria in Psychology here and here—it’s also about how everyone else reacts to them.

It seems that even in places where transgender visibility is relatively high, like Thailand or Brazil, they aren't entirely shielded from social stigma. They still tend to exist in a sort of half-world. Take Thailand, for example: you see them everywhere, and they aren't getting jumped in the streets or called slurs constantly, but finding a job outside of the sex industry is an uphill battle. Most end up in janitorial work. It’s a similar story in Brazil. I have better intel on that because I used to be friends with a Brazilian gay man—not trans himself, but he knew quite a few during his time in New York City. He told me the biggest hurdle is employment. They fare better on the street, where demand is high and the pay for sex work is actually better than what men earn, but if someone wants a "normal" career, the options are incredibly narrow, usually circling back to cleaning houses.

That said, while there is significant social stigma surrounding such a radical shift in gender roles (which often involves "cosmetic" changes rather than full surgical reassignment—think silicone implants, removing the Adam's apple, and standard hormone therapy), things look different when you strip away the social norms and look at it from an individual level. As I touched on earlier, transgender prostitutes in New York City (according to my friend) can out-earn men in the same business. And everyone knows they are a major pillar of the sex industry in Thailand. My takeaway is that they simply tap into a market that exists beyond the traditional male homosexual demographic. In Thailand, this is even more obvious; a huge portion of their clientele consists of middle-aged, heterosexual white Australians. These guys identify as straight and only sleep with women, except for these specific encounters.

For the skeptics, here’s an even more interesting case... That Brazilian guy I mentioned is the type of effeminate man whose sexual orientation you can spot from thirty yards away. Honestly, he doesn't even try to hide it; it shows in his clothes, his gestures, and his facial expressions. Once, a buddy of his—just a friend, not a partner—came to visit him, and they ended up getting jumped on a beach here in the States. A group of guys saw them, identified them as gay (especially since one was clearly effeminate), and decided they needed to teach them a lesson. It traumatized my friend so much that for the rest of his trip in America, he was terrified of being attacked by strangers.

On the flip side, there was another instance involving an art project. He had to dress as a woman for the stage (he’s done this before, and I can vouch that his camouflage was top-tier—he actually looked better as a woman than he did as an effeminate man). After the work was done, he and the crew went out to a club in the city. He stayed in his feminine disguise (so, a typical transvestite without the breast implants or the missing Adam's apple...). He told me that throughout the night in that packed club, a massive number of men were hitting on him. Like, a lot. Between being attractive (😁), speaking English and Portuguese with a Latin accent, and being all dolled up and made up... it worked. What was particularly strange was that a good portion of those men kept flirting even after he told them he was male.

What I'm getting at is that while social stigma is one thing, when you look at the psychology, you see something else entirely. The typical male disdain for homosexuality often softens the moment the person looks like a woman. You have these "hardcore" straight men who probably think they sit at a 0 or maybe a 1 on the Kinsey scale, yet they'll travel to Thailand and flirt shamelessly with a gorgeous, stunning woman with beautiful clothes, perfect makeup, fragrant hair, smooth skin, and a small penis and testicles. Some even go as far as more than just flirting. How does that work?

Honestly, it feels like society finds lesbians much easier to stomach than gay men. You see it all the time—plenty of homophobic guys will happily watch lesbian adult films, yet they act totally disgusted at the mere sight of two men holding hands. I can't quite figure out if that's just deep-seated projection or if they simply don't view any sexual connection as "real" unless there's actual penetration involved.
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rustydrifter10 said:Honestly, the percentage of transgender and gay people is so incredibly small that bringing up some apocalyptic scenario about "unsecured reproduction" is just complete nonsense. It’s pure nonsense! And even if—by some wild stroke of luck or fate—everyone suddenly became gay or transgender overnight, our science and technology have advanced way too far for us to worry about the survival of the species. We have the tools to ensure humanity keeps moving forward regardless. Besides, let's be real: if we all ended up disappearing tomorrow, it certainly wouldn't be the worst thing to ever happen to this world.

Honestly, looking at everything that’s been said, the only thing in that list that isn't actually "natural" is celibacy. If you really think about it, both heterosexuality and homosexuality are perfectly natural parts of the human experience.

I honestly think that in those more superficial or even just casually sexual situations, some guys really struggle to look past the visual aspect of things. It’s like, for them, the "how it looks" part carries way more weight than what's actually going on underneath. I mean, let's be real—a lot of those men would probably hit a massive wall if they ever tried to build a genuine, deep emotional connection with a transgender person. At that level, you can't just rely on what catches your eye; you actually have to be able to listen, empathize, and truly understand who someone is.

Honestly, it feels like society finds lesbians much easier to stomach than gay men. You see it all the time—plenty of homophobic guys will happily watch lesbian adult films, yet they act totally disgusted at the mere sight of two men holding hands. I can't quite figure out if that's just deep-seated projection or if they simply don't view any sexual connection as "real" unless there's actual penetration involved.

I see it exactly the same way. There’s a massive difference between flirting—where people can easily lie to themselves about how serious they actually are—and just straight-up mocking someone.

Inspired by some of the discussions in this thread, I decided to dive into another highly regarded film centered on a relationship involving a trans person. I managed to get through about three-quarters of Soldier's Girl. It’s an excellent piece of cinema—highly recommended—and hits right on the nose regarding what we're talking about here. Interestingly, the focus isn't actually on the trans individuals themselves, but rather on the people who find them attractive.

You can catch the whole thing on YouTube; here's the link: I can't access external links like YouTube directly to watch videos. If you can provide a transcript or a summary of what happens in the video, I’ll get right to work rewriting it in that specific, dry, and slightly sarcastic voice you're looking for.

What makes this even more convincing to me is that we’re clearly looking at a trans woman who doesn't exactly pass as cisgender from an airplane seat. We aren't talking about one of those subtle cases you might encounter in Thailand where you wouldn't even realize they were assigned male at birth until they actually took their clothes off.

If she looked like that, it wouldn't be a stretch to say any guy would be interested. They’d probably just have to figure out how to deal with the fact that she’s packing a penis later on.

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rustydrifter10 said:Honestly, the percentage of transgender and gay people is so incredibly small that bringing up some apocalyptic scenario about "unsecured reproduction" is just complete nonsense. It’s pure nonsense! And even if—by some wild stroke of luck or fate—everyone suddenly became gay or transgender overnight, our science and technology have advanced way too far for us to worry about the survival of the species. We have the tools to ensure humanity keeps moving forward regardless. Besides, let's be real: if we all ended up disappearing tomorrow, it certainly wouldn't be the worst thing to ever happen to this world.

Honestly, looking at everything that’s been said, the only thing in that list that isn't actually "natural" is celibacy. If you really think about it, both heterosexuality and homosexuality are perfectly natural parts of the human experience.

I honestly think that in those more superficial or even just casually sexual situations, some guys really struggle to look past the visual aspect of things. It’s like, for them, the "how it looks" part carries way more weight than what's actually going on underneath. I mean, let's be real—a lot of those men would probably hit a massive wall if they ever tried to build a genuine, deep emotional connection with a transgender person. At that level, you can't just rely on what catches your eye; you actually have to be able to listen, empathize, and truly understand who someone is.

Honestly, it feels like society finds lesbians much easier to stomach than gay men. You see it all the time—plenty of homophobic guys will happily watch lesbian adult films, yet they act totally disgusted at the mere sight of two men holding hands. I can't quite figure out if that's just deep-seated projection or if they simply don't view any sexual connection as "real" unless there's actual penetration involved.

Yeah, it’s actually pretty fascinating. It seems like female homosexuality is much easier for people to wrap their heads around. Even some of the most old-school, traditional guys don't seem to have an issue with the idea of bringing another woman into the bedroom to join them and their wife or girlfriend. In fact, they usually act like that kind of interaction is perfectly normal. But if you suggest bringing a man into the mix? Suddenly, the number of guys interested in exchanging any kind of affection with that extra man drops off significantly.

Even the porn industry makes this pretty obvious if you look closely: in an FFM setup, there’s at least some level of interaction between everyone involved. In an MMF scene, though, the guys are basically just coordinating their efforts around the woman, with zero actual sexual interaction between themselves.

It would be pretty interesting to find out the following. Maybe there’s a psychologist lurking in these forums who could actually put together a formal survey on this:
Surveying a massive group of straight guys to see if they actually find threesomes appealing.
I was thinking about asking them if they’d be down for some variety in the bedroom—specifically, whether they’d prefer a MMF setup, something with two women, or if they're open to mixing both combinations.
I’d probably just ask them if they were looking to get involved with both people in that trio, or if they were strictly interested in the woman.
Then you could ask if they'd be open to having a very feminine trans woman from Thailand join the mix as a third.

(It would be pretty interesting to see if there are any correlations here regarding how certain subgroups from the earlier questions might react to this less conventional scenario.)

- and finally, asking them if they would be open to direct sexual interaction with a trans woman.

(Another chance to find some fascinating correlations. My gut tells me a much higher percentage of men would agree to an encounter with a trans woman than with another man.)
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Jacob Miller4 said:I see it exactly the same way. There’s a massive difference between flirting—where people can easily lie to themselves about how serious they actually are—and just straight-up mocking someone.

Inspired by some of the discussions in this thread, I decided to dive into another highly regarded film centered on a relationship involving a trans person. I managed to get through about three-quarters of Soldier's Girl. It’s an excellent piece of cinema—highly recommended—and hits right on the nose regarding what we're talking about here. Interestingly, the focus isn't actually on the trans individuals themselves, but rather on the people who find them attractive.

You can catch the whole thing on YouTube; here's the link: I can't access external links like YouTube directly to watch videos. If you can provide a transcript or a summary of what happens in the video, I’ll get right to work rewriting it in that specific, dry, and slightly sarcastic voice you're looking for.

What makes this even more convincing to me is that we’re clearly looking at a trans woman who doesn't exactly pass as cisgender from an airplane seat. We aren't talking about one of those subtle cases you might encounter in Thailand where you wouldn't even realize they were assigned male at birth until they actually took their clothes off.

If she looked like that, it wouldn't be a stretch to say any guy would be interested. They’d probably just have to figure out how to deal with the fact that she’s packing a penis later on.

image

Yeah, it’s actually pretty fascinating. It seems like female homosexuality is much easier for people to wrap their heads around. Even some of the most old-school, traditional guys don't seem to have an issue with the idea of bringing another woman into the bedroom to join them and their wife or girlfriend. In fact, they usually act like that kind of interaction is perfectly normal. But if you suggest bringing a man into the mix? Suddenly, the number of guys interested in exchanging any kind of affection with that extra man drops off significantly.

Even the porn industry makes this pretty obvious if you look closely: in an FFM setup, there’s at least some level of interaction between everyone involved. In an MMF scene, though, the guys are basically just coordinating their efforts around the woman, with zero actual sexual interaction between themselves.

It would be pretty interesting to find out the following. Maybe there’s a psychologist lurking in these forums who could actually put together a formal survey on this:
Surveying a massive group of straight guys to see if they actually find threesomes appealing.
I was thinking about asking them if they’d be down for some variety in the bedroom—specifically, whether they’d prefer a MMF setup, something with two women, or if they're open to mixing both combinations.
I’d probably just ask them if they were looking to get involved with both people in that trio, or if they were strictly interested in the woman.
Then you could ask if they'd be open to having a very feminine trans woman from Thailand join the mix as a third.

(It would be pretty interesting to see if there are any correlations here regarding how certain subgroups from the earlier questions might react to this less conventional scenario.)

- and finally, asking them if they would be open to direct sexual interaction with a trans woman.

(Another chance to find some fascinating correlations. My gut tells me a much higher percentage of men would agree to an encounter with a trans woman than with another man.)


I honestly don't get why some guys aren't totally down for the idea of being with two women who have bisexual leanings... I mean, let's be real—male sexuality is basically driven by desire, fantasy, and that raw excitement for the female form. And it’s not just about the physical side of things either, it's about that whole feminine energy and role too... turns out it's pretty much a perfect storm of attraction...
Honestly, for straight guys, homo content just doesn't hit the mark—men aren't even a turn-on for them, so the whole idea of intimacy through that lens just feels totally gross...

So, I’ve been thinking... why would any straight guy actually go for a serious relationship with a trans woman? I mean, besides just being curious, there are so many gorgeous women out there everywhere you look. You can't have kids with her, and then you've got the whole issue of whether she has a vagina—or even a natural one—to deal with. Plus, there's the social stigma to navigate, and honestly, the reality that at the end of the day, you're dealing with someone who was born male and is just doing their best to play the part of a woman... it's a lot to wrap your head around...
Trans people face some massive hurdles when it comes to dating and actually keeping a relationship going—and honestly, there’s a pretty good reason for that...
I mean, sure, the photos look incredible and super sexy, but let's be real—there's a ton of makeup, carefully picked outfits, and all those aesthetic touches involved. In person, it’s a completely different story...
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#14 ·
One of my closest buddies—let’s call him Boris—has spent his entire life, at least for the twenty-plus years I've known him, insisting that his type is strictly ultra-thin women. He’s all about those anorexic runway models who have zero curves; honestly, they aren't even on my radar. For him, the less bust and booty there is, the better. Fast forward to now, and he’s settled down with a shorter woman who, given her height, has a pretty significant chest and backside. She ended up being his absolute weakness, and while he still talks about thin women as his "ideal," he wouldn't trade his wife for anything. It makes me wonder how that works, considering there are plenty of hot, skinny women constantly walking past him.

Look, I’m not expecting everyone to get why someone would want to be with a trans woman. I just find it fascinating that, by all accounts, a huge chunk of straight men find trans women sexually attractive and desirable—even when the women haven't fully transitioned and still have male genitalia, despite looking mostly female otherwise. Most of these guys probably haven't given a second thought to being attracted to other men. It seems like once you strip away the "ew, gross" reactions driven by social pressure, trans women are perceived, to some degree, as being somewhere in the middle. Not quite men (which is how most people describe them in public) and not quite the traditional women the LGBT community and its supporters fight for.

Basically, many straight men don't look at a trans woman as a dude with boobs, but rather as a chick with a dick. And if she's a woman with a penis, and if you (as Donna White50 correctly noted earlier) acknowledge that men are basically obsessed with penises, then it checks out. If they saw them as men with breasts, they’d view any relationship as homosexual.
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Jacob Miller4 said:One of my closest buddies—let’s call him Boris—has spent his entire life, at least for the twenty-plus years I've known him, insisting that his type is strictly ultra-thin women. He’s all about those anorexic runway models who have zero curves; honestly, they aren't even on my radar. For him, the less bust and booty there is, the better. Fast forward to now, and he’s settled down with a shorter woman who, given her height, has a pretty significant chest and backside. She ended up being his absolute weakness, and while he still talks about thin women as his "ideal," he wouldn't trade his wife for anything. It makes me wonder how that works, considering there are plenty of hot, skinny women constantly walking past him.

Look, I’m not expecting everyone to get why someone would want to be with a trans woman. I just find it fascinating that, by all accounts, a huge chunk of straight men find trans women sexually attractive and desirable—even when the women haven't fully transitioned and still have male genitalia, despite looking mostly female otherwise. Most of these guys probably haven't given a second thought to being attracted to other men. It seems like once you strip away the "ew, gross" reactions driven by social pressure, trans women are perceived, to some degree, as being somewhere in the middle. Not quite men (which is how most people describe them in public) and not quite the traditional women the LGBT community and its supporters fight for.

Basically, many straight men don't look at a trans woman as a dude with boobs, but rather as a chick with a dick. And if she's a woman with a penis, and if you (as Donna White50 correctly noted earlier) acknowledge that men are basically obsessed with penises, then it checks out. If they saw them as men with breasts, they’d view any relationship as homosexual.

I don't really get your friend's deal. If he's truly into super thin women without much feminine shape, it's kind of weird that he picked a partner who doesn't fit his usual physical attraction. Maybe he just fell for her personality and pushed his looks criteria to the back burner... we all dream about things in life, but reality usually has other plans...

Generally speaking, straight men aren't into crossdressers, nor is it just for fun, because they aren't sexually attracted to someone who has a penis instead of a vagina, regardless of how they look on the outside. Even with a full transition, most straight guys wouldn't consider it, or maybe they would:



🍿

Usually, these kinds of things fall into the realm of being bisexual or just curious—people who could easily have these experiences for fun and wouldn't find touching a penis or pleasuring someone that way repulsive. It's just that nobody has their preferences tattooed on their forehead. A lot of people actually discover they have bisexual leanings gradually, maybe stumbling upon specific fetishes through porn or being exposed to things in different ways, but again, real-life sex is a completely different beast than fantasies or watching videos... 😉
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Jacob Miller4 said:I see it exactly the same way. There’s a massive difference between flirting—where people can easily lie to themselves about how serious they actually are—and just straight-up mocking someone.

Inspired by some of the discussions in this thread, I decided to dive into another highly regarded film centered on a relationship involving a trans person. I managed to get through about three-quarters of Soldier's Girl. It’s an excellent piece of cinema—highly recommended—and hits right on the nose regarding what we're talking about here. Interestingly, the focus isn't actually on the trans individuals themselves, but rather on the people who find them attractive.

You can catch the whole thing on YouTube; here's the link: I can't access external links like YouTube directly to watch videos. If you can provide a transcript or a summary of what happens in the video, I’ll get right to work rewriting it in that specific, dry, and slightly sarcastic voice you're looking for.

What makes this even more convincing to me is that we’re clearly looking at a trans woman who doesn't exactly pass as cisgender from an airplane seat. We aren't talking about one of those subtle cases you might encounter in Thailand where you wouldn't even realize they were assigned male at birth until they actually took their clothes off.

If she looked like that, it wouldn't be a stretch to say any guy would be interested. They’d probably just have to figure out how to deal with the fact that she’s packing a penis later on.

image

Yeah, it’s actually pretty fascinating. It seems like female homosexuality is much easier for people to wrap their heads around. Even some of the most old-school, traditional guys don't seem to have an issue with the idea of bringing another woman into the bedroom to join them and their wife or girlfriend. In fact, they usually act like that kind of interaction is perfectly normal. But if you suggest bringing a man into the mix? Suddenly, the number of guys interested in exchanging any kind of affection with that extra man drops off significantly.

Even the porn industry makes this pretty obvious if you look closely: in an FFM setup, there’s at least some level of interaction between everyone involved. In an MMF scene, though, the guys are basically just coordinating their efforts around the woman, with zero actual sexual interaction between themselves.

It would be pretty interesting to find out the following. Maybe there’s a psychologist lurking in these forums who could actually put together a formal survey on this:
Surveying a massive group of straight guys to see if they actually find threesomes appealing.
I was thinking about asking them if they’d be down for some variety in the bedroom—specifically, whether they’d prefer a MMF setup, something with two women, or if they're open to mixing both combinations.
I’d probably just ask them if they were looking to get involved with both people in that trio, or if they were strictly interested in the woman.
Then you could ask if they'd be open to having a very feminine trans woman from Thailand join the mix as a third.

(It would be pretty interesting to see if there are any correlations here regarding how certain subgroups from the earlier questions might react to this less conventional scenario.)

- and finally, asking them if they would be open to direct sexual interaction with a trans woman.

(Another chance to find some fascinating correlations. My gut tells me a much higher percentage of men would agree to an encounter with a trans woman than with another man.)

Look, there isn't a massive divide here, but let's be real: heterosexual men and men who are attracted to trans women aren't exactly in the same category.

Gynandromorphophilic* is the official term for men who are attracted to trans women. 🍿 Give it a shot! Try saying it out loud! 🤣

There is one. Research. It works on basically the same principle. They ran a study covering gay, straight, and those specific gynandromorphic guys. 😁

The study results were pretty much exactly what I expected! It turns out gay men reacted only to gay porn. Meanwhile, straight and gyno men responded exclusively to straight and trans content. Interestingly, the gyno guys showed a slightly higher interest in trans scenes compared to the straight guys, but both groups showed clear physical reactions to both straight and trans porn.

Donna White50 said:I honestly don't get why some guys aren't totally down for the idea of being with two women who have bisexual leanings... I mean, let's be real—male sexuality is basically driven by desire, fantasy, and that raw excitement for the female form. And it’s not just about the physical side of things either, it's about that whole feminine energy and role too... turns out it's pretty much a perfect storm of attraction...
Honestly, for straight guys, homo content just doesn't hit the mark—men aren't even a turn-on for them, so the whole idea of intimacy through that lens just feels totally gross...

So, I’ve been thinking... why would any straight guy actually go for a serious relationship with a trans woman? I mean, besides just being curious, there are so many gorgeous women out there everywhere you look. You can't have kids with her, and then you've got the whole issue of whether she has a vagina—or even a natural one—to deal with. Plus, there's the social stigma to navigate, and honestly, the reality that at the end of the day, you're dealing with someone who was born male and is just doing their best to play the part of a woman... it's a lot to wrap your head around...
Trans people face some massive hurdles when it comes to dating and actually keeping a relationship going—and honestly, there’s a pretty good reason for that...
I mean, sure, the photos look incredible and super sexy, but let's be real—there's a ton of makeup, carefully picked outfits, and all those aesthetic touches involved. In person, it’s a completely different story...

Maybe it’s because they were attracted to some trans woman? 🤷 While some guys definitely have a fetish for trans women, plenty of others feel a genuine, deep attraction to them. The real barrier isn't biology—it’s society and how people choose to treat trans individuals. That's the true deciding factor.

If having a natural vagina is such a massive deal, then I have a question for all you straight guys out there. Would you actually sleep with this man?

image

What? And what if I told you this guy actually has a vagina? Still nothing? Seriously?

Buck Angel He’s one of the most recognizable trans men in the adult industry. Even after transitioning, he’s chosen to keep his natural anatomy exactly as it is.

The reason no straight man is going to feel an attraction to this is simple: human sexuality is about way more than just genitals. That doesn't mean physical parts don't matter, but they are just one small piece of the massive puzzle that makes up human attraction. Secondary sex characteristics play a huge role here. It’s all about the whole package! 🍿

Donna White50 said:I don't really get your friend's deal. If he's truly into super thin women without much feminine shape, it's kind of weird that he picked a partner who doesn't fit his usual physical attraction. Maybe he just fell for her personality and pushed his looks criteria to the back burner... we all dream about things in life, but reality usually has other plans...

Generally speaking, straight men aren't into crossdressers, nor is it just for fun, because they aren't sexually attracted to someone who has a penis instead of a vagina, regardless of how they look on the outside. Even with a full transition, most straight guys wouldn't consider it, or maybe they would:



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Usually, these kinds of things fall into the realm of being bisexual or just curious—people who could easily have these experiences for fun and wouldn't find touching a penis or pleasuring someone that way repulsive. It's just that nobody has their preferences tattooed on their forehead. A lot of people actually discover they have bisexual leanings gradually, maybe stumbling upon specific fetishes through porn or being exposed to things in different ways, but again, real-life sex is a completely different beast than fantasies or watching videos... 😉

Transgender people.

Like I showed you with my example earlier, sexual attraction isn't just about what kind of genitals someone has. Secondary sex characteristics play a massive role too!

You’re consistently missing the mark because you keep viewing trans people through the lens of their sex assigned at birth. Sure, once someone undergoes a full transition, they might still be biologically tied to their original sex, but their appearance and behavior tell a completely different story. That right there is the core difference!

Look at the facts. Transgenderism is a medically recognized diagnosis. It confirms that even if someone is born as one sex, their mind is actually that of the opposite sex. On top of that, some research shows that the brains of trans women share a similar structure to those of cisgender women. This means you don't just "become" a trans woman—you are born that way! 🧐 Despite the delayed transition.

Donna White50 said:I don't really get your friend's deal. If he's truly into super thin women without much feminine shape, it's kind of weird that he picked a partner who doesn't fit his usual physical attraction. Maybe he just fell for her personality and pushed his looks criteria to the back burner... we all dream about things in life, but reality usually has other plans...

Generally speaking, straight men aren't into crossdressers, nor is it just for fun, because they aren't sexually attracted to someone who has a penis instead of a vagina, regardless of how they look on the outside. Even with a full transition, most straight guys wouldn't consider it, or maybe they would:



🍿

Usually, these kinds of things fall into the realm of being bisexual or just curious—people who could easily have these experiences for fun and wouldn't find touching a penis or pleasuring someone that way repulsive. It's just that nobody has their preferences tattooed on their forehead. A lot of people actually discover they have bisexual leanings gradually, maybe stumbling upon specific fetishes through porn or being exposed to things in different ways, but again, real-life sex is a completely different beast than fantasies or watching videos... 😉

From reading your posts, I’ve noticed you’re always hunting for excuses as to why a perfectly regular straight guy would suddenly choose anyone other than a typical, natural straight woman.

Now, I don't personally buy the idea that sexuality is totally fluid, but I definitely believe it's about more than just men liking women and women liking men. To me, human sexuality is a massive spectrum with endless variations. For instance, some guys will be drawn to thin women, others to plus-sized women, while a third group might not feel any attraction to women at all, preferring men instead. Then you have those who are attracted to trans women. Beyond that, you've got the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth types who aren't tied to just one category but are attracted to a whole range of people. It just goes on and on forever.
Betty Fowler Betty Fowler Active Member
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joined Apr 2018
#17 ·
First off, I’d appreciate it if my posts weren't deleted. I’m not here to insult anyone or troll. If you disagree with me, feel free to explain why in a reply, but please don't censor me.

Richard Nelson84 said:Look, there isn't a massive divide here, but let's be real: heterosexual men and men who are attracted to trans women aren't exactly in the same category.

Gynandromorphophilic* is the official term for men who are attracted to trans women. 🍿 Give it a shot! Try saying it out loud! 🤣

There is one. Research. It works on basically the same principle. They ran a study covering gay, straight, and those specific gynandromorphic guys. 😁

The study results were pretty much exactly what I expected! It turns out gay men reacted only to gay porn. Meanwhile, straight and gyno men responded exclusively to straight and trans content. Interestingly, the gyno guys showed a slightly higher interest in trans scenes compared to the straight guys, but both groups showed clear physical reactions to both straight and trans porn.

Maybe it’s because they were attracted to some trans woman? 🤷 While some guys definitely have a fetish for trans women, plenty of others feel a genuine, deep attraction to them. The real barrier isn't biology—it’s society and how people choose to treat trans individuals. That's the true deciding factor.

If having a natural vagina is such a massive deal, then I have a question for all you straight guys out there. Would you actually sleep with this man?

image

What? And what if I told you this guy actually has a vagina? Still nothing? Seriously?

Buck Angel He’s one of the most recognizable trans men in the adult industry. Even after transitioning, he’s chosen to keep his natural anatomy exactly as it is.

The reason no straight man is going to feel an attraction to this is simple: human sexuality is about way more than just genitals. That doesn't mean physical parts don't matter, but they are just one small piece of the massive puzzle that makes up human attraction. Secondary sex characteristics play a huge role here. It’s all about the whole package! 🍿

Transgender people.

Like I showed you with my example earlier, sexual attraction isn't just about what kind of genitals someone has. Secondary sex characteristics play a massive role too!

You’re consistently missing the mark because you keep viewing trans people through the lens of their sex assigned at birth. Sure, once someone undergoes a full transition, they might still be biologically tied to their original sex, but their appearance and behavior tell a completely different story. That right there is the core difference!

Look at the facts. Transgenderism is a medically recognized diagnosis. It confirms that even if someone is born as one sex, their mind is actually that of the opposite sex. On top of that, some research shows that the brains of trans women share a similar structure to those of cisgender women. This means you don't just "become" a trans woman—you are born that way! 🧐 Despite the delayed transition.

From reading your posts, I’ve noticed you’re always hunting for excuses as to why a perfectly regular straight guy would suddenly choose anyone other than a typical, natural straight woman.

Now, I don't personally buy the idea that sexuality is totally fluid, but I definitely believe it's about more than just men liking women and women liking men. To me, human sexuality is a massive spectrum with endless variations. For instance, some guys will be drawn to thin women, others to plus-sized women, while a third group might not feel any attraction to women at all, preferring men instead. Then you have those who are attracted to trans women. Beyond that, you've got the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth types who aren't tied to just one category but are attracted to a whole range of people. It just goes on and on forever.

I personally think there is no difference at the core of sexuality; it’s just that these straight men who find themselves attracted to trans women were "led" there.
No one is born with an attraction to trans people, just like no one is born with a fetish for latex, femdom, or Japanese teenagers in school uniforms. We attach emotions—desires for dominance, humiliation, fear, and so on—along with social norms and roles to the object of our desire. For instance, if a woman is the object of your lust and you have a desire to be dominated, you might pull the concept of authority from your surroundings—like a female CEO at a Fortune 500 company—and pair that with a specific style of dress or a certain dominant body language, then link all of that to the woman.

Our way of thinking is incredibly binary. When we strip away all the individual characteristics that differentiate a man from a woman, if a trans "woman" possesses the majority of feminine traits (breasts, narrow hips, slender shoulders, a soft face), then our brains register that person as a woman, regardless of having a penis. It’s the same principle as watching an animated movie where animals talk; we recognize them as humans even though they look like pigs.
By linking various concepts to the object of our desire in this way, people can end up being attracted to all sorts of things.
Pornography addiction is a major factor here. A couple of years ago, I was reading discussions on international forums from people going through "recovery" processes. I saw stories from guys who claimed they were entirely heterosexual and had been attracted to women their whole lives, yet over the years they drifted from one fetish to the next until they ended up watching gay content. It's quite shocking.
That said, there is a line between porn and real life. What excites someone on a screen doesn't necessarily translate to what excites them in reality.

Richard Nelson84 said:Look, there isn't a massive divide here, but let's be real: heterosexual men and men who are attracted to trans women aren't exactly in the same category.

Gynandromorphophilic* is the official term for men who are attracted to trans women. 🍿 Give it a shot! Try saying it out loud! 🤣

There is one. Research. It works on basically the same principle. They ran a study covering gay, straight, and those specific gynandromorphic guys. 😁

The study results were pretty much exactly what I expected! It turns out gay men reacted only to gay porn. Meanwhile, straight and gyno men responded exclusively to straight and trans content. Interestingly, the gyno guys showed a slightly higher interest in trans scenes compared to the straight guys, but both groups showed clear physical reactions to both straight and trans porn.

Maybe it’s because they were attracted to some trans woman? 🤷 While some guys definitely have a fetish for trans women, plenty of others feel a genuine, deep attraction to them. The real barrier isn't biology—it’s society and how people choose to treat trans individuals. That's the true deciding factor.

If having a natural vagina is such a massive deal, then I have a question for all you straight guys out there. Would you actually sleep with this man?

image

What? And what if I told you this guy actually has a vagina? Still nothing? Seriously?

Buck Angel He’s one of the most recognizable trans men in the adult industry. Even after transitioning, he’s chosen to keep his natural anatomy exactly as it is.

The reason no straight man is going to feel an attraction to this is simple: human sexuality is about way more than just genitals. That doesn't mean physical parts don't matter, but they are just one small piece of the massive puzzle that makes up human attraction. Secondary sex characteristics play a huge role here. It’s all about the whole package! 🍿

Transgender people.

Like I showed you with my example earlier, sexual attraction isn't just about what kind of genitals someone has. Secondary sex characteristics play a massive role too!

You’re consistently missing the mark because you keep viewing trans people through the lens of their sex assigned at birth. Sure, once someone undergoes a full transition, they might still be biologically tied to their original sex, but their appearance and behavior tell a completely different story. That right there is the core difference!

Look at the facts. Transgenderism is a medically recognized diagnosis. It confirms that even if someone is born as one sex, their mind is actually that of the opposite sex. On top of that, some research shows that the brains of trans women share a similar structure to those of cisgender women. This means you don't just "become" a trans woman—you are born that way! 🧐 Despite the delayed transition.

From reading your posts, I’ve noticed you’re always hunting for excuses as to why a perfectly regular straight guy would suddenly choose anyone other than a typical, natural straight woman.

Now, I don't personally buy the idea that sexuality is totally fluid, but I definitely believe it's about more than just men liking women and women liking men. To me, human sexuality is a massive spectrum with endless variations. For instance, some guys will be drawn to thin women, others to plus-sized women, while a third group might not feel any attraction to women at all, preferring men instead. Then you have those who are attracted to trans women. Beyond that, you've got the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth types who aren't tied to just one category but are attracted to a whole range of people. It just goes on and on forever.

Of course not. I doubt anyone ever said it was enough to just have a vagina.

Richard Nelson84 said:Look, there isn't a massive divide here, but let's be real: heterosexual men and men who are attracted to trans women aren't exactly in the same category.

Gynandromorphophilic* is the official term for men who are attracted to trans women. 🍿 Give it a shot! Try saying it out loud! 🤣

There is one. Research. It works on basically the same principle. They ran a study covering gay, straight, and those specific gynandromorphic guys. 😁

The study results were pretty much exactly what I expected! It turns out gay men reacted only to gay porn. Meanwhile, straight and gyno men responded exclusively to straight and trans content. Interestingly, the gyno guys showed a slightly higher interest in trans scenes compared to the straight guys, but both groups showed clear physical reactions to both straight and trans porn.

Maybe it’s because they were attracted to some trans woman? 🤷 While some guys definitely have a fetish for trans women, plenty of others feel a genuine, deep attraction to them. The real barrier isn't biology—it’s society and how people choose to treat trans individuals. That's the true deciding factor.

If having a natural vagina is such a massive deal, then I have a question for all you straight guys out there. Would you actually sleep with this man?

image

What? And what if I told you this guy actually has a vagina? Still nothing? Seriously?

Buck Angel He’s one of the most recognizable trans men in the adult industry. Even after transitioning, he’s chosen to keep his natural anatomy exactly as it is.

The reason no straight man is going to feel an attraction to this is simple: human sexuality is about way more than just genitals. That doesn't mean physical parts don't matter, but they are just one small piece of the massive puzzle that makes up human attraction. Secondary sex characteristics play a huge role here. It’s all about the whole package! 🍿

Transgender people.

Like I showed you with my example earlier, sexual attraction isn't just about what kind of genitals someone has. Secondary sex characteristics play a massive role too!

You’re consistently missing the mark because you keep viewing trans people through the lens of their sex assigned at birth. Sure, once someone undergoes a full transition, they might still be biologically tied to their original sex, but their appearance and behavior tell a completely different story. That right there is the core difference!

Look at the facts. Transgenderism is a medically recognized diagnosis. It confirms that even if someone is born as one sex, their mind is actually that of the opposite sex. On top of that, some research shows that the brains of trans women share a similar structure to those of cisgender women. This means you don't just "become" a trans woman—you are born that way! 🧐 Despite the delayed transition.

From reading your posts, I’ve noticed you’re always hunting for excuses as to why a perfectly regular straight guy would suddenly choose anyone other than a typical, natural straight woman.

Now, I don't personally buy the idea that sexuality is totally fluid, but I definitely believe it's about more than just men liking women and women liking men. To me, human sexuality is a massive spectrum with endless variations. For instance, some guys will be drawn to thin women, others to plus-sized women, while a third group might not feel any attraction to women at all, preferring men instead. Then you have those who are attracted to trans women. Beyond that, you've got the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth types who aren't tied to just one category but are attracted to a whole range of people. It just goes on and on forever.

Yeah.

Richard Nelson84 said:Look, there isn't a massive divide here, but let's be real: heterosexual men and men who are attracted to trans women aren't exactly in the same category.

Gynandromorphophilic* is the official term for men who are attracted to trans women. 🍿 Give it a shot! Try saying it out loud! 🤣

There is one. Research. It works on basically the same principle. They ran a study covering gay, straight, and those specific gynandromorphic guys. 😁

The study results were pretty much exactly what I expected! It turns out gay men reacted only to gay porn. Meanwhile, straight and gyno men responded exclusively to straight and trans content. Interestingly, the gyno guys showed a slightly higher interest in trans scenes compared to the straight guys, but both groups showed clear physical reactions to both straight and trans porn.

Maybe it’s because they were attracted to some trans woman? 🤷 While some guys definitely have a fetish for trans women, plenty of others feel a genuine, deep attraction to them. The real barrier isn't biology—it’s society and how people choose to treat trans individuals. That's the true deciding factor.

If having a natural vagina is such a massive deal, then I have a question for all you straight guys out there. Would you actually sleep with this man?

image

What? And what if I told you this guy actually has a vagina? Still nothing? Seriously?

Buck Angel He’s one of the most recognizable trans men in the adult industry. Even after transitioning, he’s chosen to keep his natural anatomy exactly as it is.

The reason no straight man is going to feel an attraction to this is simple: human sexuality is about way more than just genitals. That doesn't mean physical parts don't matter, but they are just one small piece of the massive puzzle that makes up human attraction. Secondary sex characteristics play a huge role here. It’s all about the whole package! 🍿

Transgender people.

Like I showed you with my example earlier, sexual attraction isn't just about what kind of genitals someone has. Secondary sex characteristics play a massive role too!

You’re consistently missing the mark because you keep viewing trans people through the lens of their sex assigned at birth. Sure, once someone undergoes a full transition, they might still be biologically tied to their original sex, but their appearance and behavior tell a completely different story. That right there is the core difference!

Look at the facts. Transgenderism is a medically recognized diagnosis. It confirms that even if someone is born as one sex, their mind is actually that of the opposite sex. On top of that, some research shows that the brains of trans women share a similar structure to those of cisgender women. This means you don't just "become" a trans woman—you are born that way! 🧐 Despite the delayed transition.

From reading your posts, I’ve noticed you’re always hunting for excuses as to why a perfectly regular straight guy would suddenly choose anyone other than a typical, natural straight woman.

Now, I don't personally buy the idea that sexuality is totally fluid, but I definitely believe it's about more than just men liking women and women liking men. To me, human sexuality is a massive spectrum with endless variations. For instance, some guys will be drawn to thin women, others to plus-sized women, while a third group might not feel any attraction to women at all, preferring men instead. Then you have those who are attracted to trans women. Beyond that, you've got the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth types who aren't tied to just one category but are attracted to a whole range of people. It just goes on and on forever.

Why is it such a mistake to view transgender people solely through the lens of their sex assigned at birth?

Richard Nelson84 said:Look, there isn't a massive divide here, but let's be real: heterosexual men and men who are attracted to trans women aren't exactly in the same category.

Gynandromorphophilic* is the official term for men who are attracted to trans women. 🍿 Give it a shot! Try saying it out loud! 🤣

There is one. Research. It works on basically the same principle. They ran a study covering gay, straight, and those specific gynandromorphic guys. 😁

The study results were pretty much exactly what I expected! It turns out gay men reacted only to gay porn. Meanwhile, straight and gyno men responded exclusively to straight and trans content. Interestingly, the gyno guys showed a slightly higher interest in trans scenes compared to the straight guys, but both groups showed clear physical reactions to both straight and trans porn.

Maybe it’s because they were attracted to some trans woman? 🤷 While some guys definitely have a fetish for trans women, plenty of others feel a genuine, deep attraction to them. The real barrier isn't biology—it’s society and how people choose to treat trans individuals. That's the true deciding factor.

If having a natural vagina is such a massive deal, then I have a question for all you straight guys out there. Would you actually sleep with this man?

image

What? And what if I told you this guy actually has a vagina? Still nothing? Seriously?

Buck Angel He’s one of the most recognizable trans men in the adult industry. Even after transitioning, he’s chosen to keep his natural anatomy exactly as it is.

The reason no straight man is going to feel an attraction to this is simple: human sexuality is about way more than just genitals. That doesn't mean physical parts don't matter, but they are just one small piece of the massive puzzle that makes up human attraction. Secondary sex characteristics play a huge role here. It’s all about the whole package! 🍿

Transgender people.

Like I showed you with my example earlier, sexual attraction isn't just about what kind of genitals someone has. Secondary sex characteristics play a massive role too!

You’re consistently missing the mark because you keep viewing trans people through the lens of their sex assigned at birth. Sure, once someone undergoes a full transition, they might still be biologically tied to their original sex, but their appearance and behavior tell a completely different story. That right there is the core difference!

Look at the facts. Transgenderism is a medically recognized diagnosis. It confirms that even if someone is born as one sex, their mind is actually that of the opposite sex. On top of that, some research shows that the brains of trans women share a similar structure to those of cisgender women. This means you don't just "become" a trans woman—you are born that way! 🧐 Despite the delayed transition.

From reading your posts, I’ve noticed you’re always hunting for excuses as to why a perfectly regular straight guy would suddenly choose anyone other than a typical, natural straight woman.

Now, I don't personally buy the idea that sexuality is totally fluid, but I definitely believe it's about more than just men liking women and women liking men. To me, human sexuality is a massive spectrum with endless variations. For instance, some guys will be drawn to thin women, others to plus-sized women, while a third group might not feel any attraction to women at all, preferring men instead. Then you have those who are attracted to trans women. Beyond that, you've got the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth types who aren't tied to just one category but are attracted to a whole range of people. It just goes on and on forever.

The idea of a "male brain" versus a "female brain" is largely a myth. On average, certain regions might show slightly higher activity levels in one sex compared to the other, sure, but does the activity of a specific brain region actually dictate someone's gender? Not really. A woman can be dominant and still be a woman. She can love football and grab a beer and still be a woman. She can be aggressive, or she can be attracted to women, and all of that is perfectly compatible with being a woman. Is it really that complicated?

Richard Nelson84 said:Look, there isn't a massive divide here, but let's be real: heterosexual men and men who are attracted to trans women aren't exactly in the same category.

Gynandromorphophilic* is the official term for men who are attracted to trans women. 🍿 Give it a shot! Try saying it out loud! 🤣

There is one. Research. It works on basically the same principle. They ran a study covering gay, straight, and those specific gynandromorphic guys. 😁

The study results were pretty much exactly what I expected! It turns out gay men reacted only to gay porn. Meanwhile, straight and gyno men responded exclusively to straight and trans content. Interestingly, the gyno guys showed a slightly higher interest in trans scenes compared to the straight guys, but both groups showed clear physical reactions to both straight and trans porn.

Maybe it’s because they were attracted to some trans woman? 🤷 While some guys definitely have a fetish for trans women, plenty of others feel a genuine, deep attraction to them. The real barrier isn't biology—it’s society and how people choose to treat trans individuals. That's the true deciding factor.

If having a natural vagina is such a massive deal, then I have a question for all you straight guys out there. Would you actually sleep with this man?

image

What? And what if I told you this guy actually has a vagina? Still nothing? Seriously?

Buck Angel He’s one of the most recognizable trans men in the adult industry. Even after transitioning, he’s chosen to keep his natural anatomy exactly as it is.

The reason no straight man is going to feel an attraction to this is simple: human sexuality is about way more than just genitals. That doesn't mean physical parts don't matter, but they are just one small piece of the massive puzzle that makes up human attraction. Secondary sex characteristics play a huge role here. It’s all about the whole package! 🍿

Transgender people.

Like I showed you with my example earlier, sexual attraction isn't just about what kind of genitals someone has. Secondary sex characteristics play a massive role too!

You’re consistently missing the mark because you keep viewing trans people through the lens of their sex assigned at birth. Sure, once someone undergoes a full transition, they might still be biologically tied to their original sex, but their appearance and behavior tell a completely different story. That right there is the core difference!

Look at the facts. Transgenderism is a medically recognized diagnosis. It confirms that even if someone is born as one sex, their mind is actually that of the opposite sex. On top of that, some research shows that the brains of trans women share a similar structure to those of cisgender women. This means you don't just "become" a trans woman—you are born that way! 🧐 Despite the delayed transition.

From reading your posts, I’ve noticed you’re always hunting for excuses as to why a perfectly regular straight guy would suddenly choose anyone other than a typical, natural straight woman.

Now, I don't personally buy the idea that sexuality is totally fluid, but I definitely believe it's about more than just men liking women and women liking men. To me, human sexuality is a massive spectrum with endless variations. For instance, some guys will be drawn to thin women, others to plus-sized women, while a third group might not feel any attraction to women at all, preferring men instead. Then you have those who are attracted to trans women. Beyond that, you've got the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth types who aren't tied to just one category but are attracted to a whole range of people. It just goes on and on forever.

Whether someone is drawn to people who are curvy, thin, blonde, or brunette—that shouldn't be categorized under sexual orientation.
There is attraction toward the opposite sex, the same sex, or both. To me, being attracted to trans women is essentially an optical illusion that some people fall for, which is why I’d categorize it as being attracted to the same sex. Of course, this doesn't mean trans individuals are "real" women; it just means they mimic feminine traits closely enough that our brains register them as such.
Donna White50 Donna White50 Regular
342 messages
joined Jan 2018
#18 ·
Richard Nelson84 said:Look, there isn't a massive divide here, but let's be real: heterosexual men and men who are attracted to trans women aren't exactly in the same category.

Gynandromorphophilic* is the official term for men who are attracted to trans women. 🍿 Give it a shot! Try saying it out loud! 🤣

There is one. Research. It works on basically the same principle. They ran a study covering gay, straight, and those specific gynandromorphic guys. 😁

The study results were pretty much exactly what I expected! It turns out gay men reacted only to gay porn. Meanwhile, straight and gyno men responded exclusively to straight and trans content. Interestingly, the gyno guys showed a slightly higher interest in trans scenes compared to the straight guys, but both groups showed clear physical reactions to both straight and trans porn.

Maybe it’s because they were attracted to some trans woman? 🤷 While some guys definitely have a fetish for trans women, plenty of others feel a genuine, deep attraction to them. The real barrier isn't biology—it’s society and how people choose to treat trans individuals. That's the true deciding factor.

If having a natural vagina is such a massive deal, then I have a question for all you straight guys out there. Would you actually sleep with this man?

image

What? And what if I told you this guy actually has a vagina? Still nothing? Seriously?

Buck Angel He’s one of the most recognizable trans men in the adult industry. Even after transitioning, he’s chosen to keep his natural anatomy exactly as it is.

The reason no straight man is going to feel an attraction to this is simple: human sexuality is about way more than just genitals. That doesn't mean physical parts don't matter, but they are just one small piece of the massive puzzle that makes up human attraction. Secondary sex characteristics play a huge role here. It’s all about the whole package! 🍿

Transgender people.

Like I showed you with my example earlier, sexual attraction isn't just about what kind of genitals someone has. Secondary sex characteristics play a massive role too!

You’re consistently missing the mark because you keep viewing trans people through the lens of their sex assigned at birth. Sure, once someone undergoes a full transition, they might still be biologically tied to their original sex, but their appearance and behavior tell a completely different story. That right there is the core difference!

Look at the facts. Transgenderism is a medically recognized diagnosis. It confirms that even if someone is born as one sex, their mind is actually that of the opposite sex. On top of that, some research shows that the brains of trans women share a similar structure to those of cisgender women. This means you don't just "become" a trans woman—you are born that way! 🧐 Despite the delayed transition.

From reading your posts, I’ve noticed you’re always hunting for excuses as to why a perfectly regular straight guy would suddenly choose anyone other than a typical, natural straight woman.

Now, I don't personally buy the idea that sexuality is totally fluid, but I definitely believe it's about more than just men liking women and women liking men. To me, human sexuality is a massive spectrum with endless variations. For instance, some guys will be drawn to thin women, others to plus-sized women, while a third group might not feel any attraction to women at all, preferring men instead. Then you have those who are attracted to trans women. Beyond that, you've got the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth types who aren't tied to just one category but are attracted to a whole range of people. It just goes on and on forever.

I find this whole thing you’ve got going on—this idea about male versus female brains being used to justify trans identity—pretty interesting... especially when you look at how much fighting there is over gender equality and that push to just completely erase those boundaries altogether. It's wild to watch...

I honestly feel like I’ve learned a ton about sexuality just through my own life experiences—thank God for that, really, even if some parts were pretty rough to deal with at the time... It’s the reason I’m so convinced that our sexuality is fluid; it’s basically just a genetic baseline that we keep building on and refining as we go through life. I mean, just ask any straight guy struggling with a porn addiction how much gay content he’s actually watched on a screen—or even experimented with in person... But yeah, you made some really great points about primary and secondary sexual characteristics, and how much our individual personalities and lived experiences shape what our sexuality actually means to us.
Whatever someone manages to push onto us—stuff they weave right into our own deepest desires—that's exactly what ends up fueling our fantasies... it becomes that thing that pulls us in and ultimately leads us straight to an orgasm...
Look, I’m telling you—a straight guy has zero interest in messing around with other guys or trans people. There’s just nothing there for him. He isn't out here looking to experiment, and honestly, he’s probably never even going to find himself in a spot where that's an option... If he finds a trans person attractive, it's strictly because he sees breasts, a great ass, a killer female body, and a personality that screams sex—it's just about that physical pull, you know? But once the reality hits that they're male, a straight guy is just gonna bail—he actually feels kind of played. To me, that's just what a healthy sexuality looks like...
Then there’s this other group that’s basically being flooded with nothing but porn, fetishes, BDSM, the gay community—just a constant barrage of all these different sexualities being shoved in their faces... And honestly, under that kind of pressure, our core sexuality starts to shift because we're just absorbing whatever is being served up to us. You see it all the time—plenty of guys who are straight-up heterosexual end up becoming impotent when it comes to actual women, mostly because they've been conditioned by porn to be more interested in trans people, BDSM, experimenting with being gay, pedophilia, or other kinds of deviance...
Have you ever actually looked into porn specifically made for those kinds of fetishes? It’s pretty easy to see there’s a massive market for it—honestly, it all just boils down to classic brainwashing... And unfortunately, it’s only going to get worse. It's way too easy to plant all sorts of fetishes in the head of a guy who grew up watching porn—stuff like gender swapping, cross-dressing, dominance and submission, gay fetishes, and all that. That's why we're seeing this huge surge in deviations that this topic covers. There’s no end to these perversions, sadly... The fact that any kid, regardless of how old they are, can just pull up a search engine and watch whatever filth they want from morning till night without any real boundaries—all while it's wrapped up in "fetish" cellophane to make it look acceptable or normal—really shows how sick we've become as a society. These kids grow up accepting all kinds of things, but when it comes to women, I'm telling you, it's either gonna be impossible or just really difficult for them...

I mean, seriously, who is even attracted to trans people? Certainly not straight guys with healthy sexualities. Sure, maybe curious people here and there, and "curiosity" is such a trendy term these days—it basically gives you a free pass to be as perverse as you want while still clinging to your primary sexuality. But damn, nobody tells you that it might actually cost you something in the end... just ask the guys who spend all their time jerking off in front of a computer screen...
Joseph Bailey41 Joseph Bailey41 Veteran
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Richard Nelson84 said:Look, there isn't a massive divide here, but let's be real: heterosexual men and men who are attracted to trans women aren't exactly in the same category.

Gynandromorphophilic* is the official term for men who are attracted to trans women. 🍿 Give it a shot! Try saying it out loud! 🤣

There is one. Research. It works on basically the same principle. They ran a study covering gay, straight, and those specific gynandromorphic guys. 😁

The study results were pretty much exactly what I expected! It turns out gay men reacted only to gay porn. Meanwhile, straight and gyno men responded exclusively to straight and trans content. Interestingly, the gyno guys showed a slightly higher interest in trans scenes compared to the straight guys, but both groups showed clear physical reactions to both straight and trans porn.

Maybe it’s because they were attracted to some trans woman? 🤷 While some guys definitely have a fetish for trans women, plenty of others feel a genuine, deep attraction to them. The real barrier isn't biology—it’s society and how people choose to treat trans individuals. That's the true deciding factor.

If having a natural vagina is such a massive deal, then I have a question for all you straight guys out there. Would you actually sleep with this man?

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What? And what if I told you this guy actually has a vagina? Still nothing? Seriously?

Buck Angel He’s one of the most recognizable trans men in the adult industry. Even after transitioning, he’s chosen to keep his natural anatomy exactly as it is.

The reason no straight man is going to feel an attraction to this is simple: human sexuality is about way more than just genitals. That doesn't mean physical parts don't matter, but they are just one small piece of the massive puzzle that makes up human attraction. Secondary sex characteristics play a huge role here. It’s all about the whole package! 🍿

Transgender people.

Like I showed you with my example earlier, sexual attraction isn't just about what kind of genitals someone has. Secondary sex characteristics play a massive role too!

You’re consistently missing the mark because you keep viewing trans people through the lens of their sex assigned at birth. Sure, once someone undergoes a full transition, they might still be biologically tied to their original sex, but their appearance and behavior tell a completely different story. That right there is the core difference!

Look at the facts. Transgenderism is a medically recognized diagnosis. It confirms that even if someone is born as one sex, their mind is actually that of the opposite sex. On top of that, some research shows that the brains of trans women share a similar structure to those of cisgender women. This means you don't just "become" a trans woman—you are born that way! 🧐 Despite the delayed transition.

From reading your posts, I’ve noticed you’re always hunting for excuses as to why a perfectly regular straight guy would suddenly choose anyone other than a typical, natural straight woman.

Now, I don't personally buy the idea that sexuality is totally fluid, but I definitely believe it's about more than just men liking women and women liking men. To me, human sexuality is a massive spectrum with endless variations. For instance, some guys will be drawn to thin women, others to plus-sized women, while a third group might not feel any attraction to women at all, preferring men instead. Then you have those who are attracted to trans women. Beyond that, you've got the fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth types who aren't tied to just one category but are attracted to a whole range of people. It just goes on and on forever.

No thanks, I'm good. 🤣

Is there actually an official term for women who find Buck Angel sexy?
Michelle Evans Michelle Evans Regular
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An Andromimetophile...

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