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Is a lie more useful than the truth? (Religion)

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#141 ·
Jacob Cooper5 said:You've got a point there. But if we follow your logic—that science eventually cracks the code on everything—religion would probably just shrink into these tiny little fringe groups instead of being the mainstream force it is now.

True, but what if that "short circuit" actually ends up doing some good for the person, despite how messed up the circumstances are?
I mean, are there really enough cases where grieving parents take the loss of a child and, fueled by faith in a good God, go out and change laws or start massive charitable foundations to help other kids?

Actually, I disagree. You’d still have those folks who deny everything and see a massive conspiracy behind every single discovery.

Jacob Cooper5 said:You've got a point there. But if we follow your logic—that science eventually cracks the code on everything—religion would probably just shrink into these tiny little fringe groups instead of being the mainstream force it is now.

True, but what if that "short circuit" actually ends up doing some good for the person, despite how messed up the circumstances are?
I mean, are there really enough cases where grieving parents take the loss of a child and, fueled by faith in a good God, go out and change laws or start massive charitable foundations to help other kids?

I never said it definitely works one way or the other. In American slang, there's a perfect word for this kind of logic: "coping." That’s essentially the mindset of anyone doing things solely because "that's what God wants," rather than simply wanting to lend a hand.
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Jacob Cooper5 said:Does believing in an afterlife actually help someone, even if nobody’s ever come forward to claim they saw anything on the other side?

Look, I'm an atheist. But I can't bring myself to agree with those certain types of atheists who insist that Faith is nothing but a useless distraction. I've found myself staring down the barrel of the idea of total, absolute non-existence...
The thought that when I die, everything just gets wiped clean. Like I never even existed in the first place.
I catch myself picturing that moment right before death—all my experiences, my entire life, just sitting there on the edge of this massive, cold void that’s going to erase every single trace of me without a shred of mercy. Pretty depressing, isn't it?

Even if that’s the reality, wouldn't it be better to believe there's something waiting for us after we go?
At the very least, it makes me feel better. Being able to find satisfaction in the present moment actually has a positive impact on how I live right now.
In that sense, I don't see why those stubborn, narrow-minded atheists feel the need to lecture theists about the "pointlessness" of religion.

From a philosophical standpoint, it's just that eternal tug-of-war between abstract concepts and our own direct experience...

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But wouldn't the idea of eternal reincarnation act as a sort of cosmic eraser for that emptiness?

So, I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that any belief system we cling to is really just our own unique way of navigating through the fog of depression.

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