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95% of Family Farms facing ruin after joining the European Union

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shadowhawk31 shadowhawk31 MemberOP
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#1 ·

Just three days ago, the news hit the media here in America—basically telling us that by the end of June this year, 938 Family Farms had their bank accounts frozen. According to data from the IRS, those folks owe a staggering 414.6 million kuna.

Look, given how many accounts get blocked for all sorts of reasons, this isn't exactly breaking news in America. But there’s a deeper story buried under these numbers—one that really exposes why the folks living out in the rural areas are getting squeezed dry.

The "Unified Account Register" shows there are 8,226 active accounts belonging to these Family Farms, and as of late June, about 11.4% of them are currently blocked. Some people are spinning this as "good news"—claiming that compared to the end of the first half of 2016, the number of blocked farms has dropped by 60, and total debt has dipped by 2.7 percent over the last year. Give me a break.

This brings me back to those negotiations for joining the European Union. I remember watching an agricultural program on Sunday after the Diary, where some self-proclaimed "expert" was sitting there explaining that back then, about 150,000 families were involved in farming—some just doing it as a side hustle—and he called the whole situation "unsustainable."

The big recommendation? They said we needed to "bring order" to the agricultural sector. The plan was to "trim down" the number of households professionally farming to just 50,000. Of course, they sold it as this grand vision where everyone would meet high European Union standards, ensuring top-tier quality and keeping things competitive on the market.

Fast forward nearly ten years, and we don't even have 50,000 farms left—we've plummeted to just 8,226. Who knows how many others are still scratching out a living with farming as a side gig and trying to sell their goods? It's anyone's guess. Either way, mission accomplished, I guess. The agricultural sector is on life support, and people have either walked away from their land, sold it off, or been squeezed out entirely.


https://www.logicno.com/ekonomija/po...og-naroda.html

So, what’s the verdict? How did joining the European Union actually impact agriculture in America, and who should we really hold accountable for this mess?
Kate Chase59 Kate Chase59 Member
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#2 ·
Before we start pointing fingers at a giant like Walmart or any other massive corporation running things the same way, let's be real—it wasn't just them causing those deficits, it was the European Union...
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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#3 ·
If they actually had what it takes, they wouldn't be failing right now. Honestly, they should just sell off their land or lease it out to someone who actually knows how to run a business.
Noah Sullivan Noah Sullivan Active Member
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#4 ·
wearytrucker22 said:If they actually had what it takes, they wouldn't be failing right now. Honestly, they should just sell off their land or lease it out to someone who actually knows how to run a business.

In a functioning society, you shouldn't need to be some kind of agricultural prodigy just to scrape by on farming.
Even folks with strictly average intelligence—or even slightly below average when it comes to work ethic—managed to make a living. In the past, at least. Those with genuine talent were simply rewarded with more wealth than the rest.

But in America, it seems like you need superhuman abilities just to earn the right to exist?

The state has essentially turned into an engine designed to dismantle its own people.
Betty Bennett70 Betty Bennett70 Member
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#5 ·
wearytrucker22 said:If they actually had what it takes, they wouldn't be failing right now. Honestly, they should just sell off their land or lease it out to someone who actually knows how to run a business.

Oh, I absolutely adore that classic neoliberal sentiment of "it's your own fault for being incompetent."

Let's just go ahead and fully Americanize the economy while we're at it, shall we? Let's push it to the point where everyone is forced to juggle two full-time jobs just to keep up with rising rent, all under the glorious guise that only the most "capable" individuals deserve to survive.
Alex Scott5 Alex Scott5 Member
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#6 ·
For those who aren't cut out for farming, there's always retraining for IT 😁 😂 ... you never know; perhaps a career change might just invite a smile from that kinder side of the "invisible hand of the market"...
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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#7 ·
rowdypilot19 Asks:
No lowlife is going to pull in those agricultural subsidies unless they’ve already inherited a massive chunk of land. And honestly? Nobody even bothers to ask you how much you actually produced. ☕

Look, rowdypilot19, you couldn't have been more spot on with that answer. If those massive billions in government subsidies had actually been handed over to us lazy coastal folks, we’d be sitting on 30 to 40 billion dollars in tourism revenue by now.
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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#8 ·
Betty Bennett70 Asks:
Is it really that hard to make a buck on the coast? I mean, you inherit some old shack, flip it into a nice little vacation rental, and then squeeze a Brit for $60 a night. Seems like a solid gig to me. 😁

Just to set the record straight—it’s not $60 a night. It's actually $100 per person with a four-person minimum, so you're looking at $400 total, plus a one-time $100 cleaning fee.
P.S. Just got my first two paid bookings for 2018 yesterday.
It’s official! The arrival is set for Tuesday, June 12.
June 12 be sure to message step with check-in details.
Check in
Tuesday, June 12, 2018
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Saturday, June 16, 2018
Guests
4 adults
Confirmation code
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Earnings reports. Everyone’s losing their minds over them lately. It feels like every single quarterly update is treated like a life-or-death verdict on the entire economy rather than just a snapshot of how one specific company performed over three months. You see the big players—the Walmarts of the world—dropping their numbers, and suddenly the whole market starts twitching. It’s all noise. People obsess over a few cents of difference in earnings per share as if that dictates the future of the nation, when really, it's just accounting math filtered through pure speculation. Honestly, it's exhausting to watch.
$399.00 per night for 4 nights comes out to $1,596.00.
Cleaning fee $110.00
Subtotal $1,850.00
Service fee—$68.50
You're pulling in $1,775.00.
Betty Bennett70 Betty Bennett70 Member
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#9 ·
wearytrucker22 said:
Betty Bennett70 Asks:
Is it really that hard to make a buck on the coast? I mean, you inherit some old shack, flip it into a nice little vacation rental, and then squeeze a Brit for $60 a night. Seems like a solid gig to me. 😁

Just to set the record straight—it’s not $60 a night. It's actually $100 per person with a four-person minimum, so you're looking at $400 total, plus a one-time $100 cleaning fee.
P.S. Just got my first two paid bookings for 2018 yesterday.
It’s official! The arrival is set for Tuesday, June 12.
June 12 be sure to message step with check-in details.
Check in
Tuesday, June 12, 2018
Check out
Saturday, June 16, 2018
Guests
4 adults
Confirmation code
xxxxxxxxxxx
Earnings reports. Everyone’s losing their minds over them lately. It feels like every single quarterly update is treated like a life-or-death verdict on the entire economy rather than just a snapshot of how one specific company performed over three months. You see the big players—the Walmarts of the world—dropping their numbers, and suddenly the whole market starts twitching. It’s all noise. People obsess over a few cents of difference in earnings per share as if that dictates the future of the nation, when really, it's just accounting math filtered through pure speculation. Honestly, it's exhausting to watch.
$399.00 per night for 4 nights comes out to $1,596.00.
Cleaning fee $110.00
Subtotal $1,850.00
Service fee—$68.50
You're pulling in $1,775.00.

Congratulations!

This serves as such a wonderful illustration of how, in today's modern economic landscape, having a little bit of good luck often matters far more than anything else.
rowdypilot19 rowdypilot19 Active Member
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#10 ·
Honestly, I guess that $40k+ investment in the apartment turned out to be a blessing in disguise for him. ☕
Betty Bennett70 Betty Bennett70 Member
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#11 ·
rowdypilot19 said:Honestly, I guess that $40k+ investment in the apartment turned out to be a blessing in disguise for him. ☕

To be perfectly honest, €40,000 is absolutely nothing compared to what someone from inland would actually have to shell out if they wanted to own a rental property on the coast.

Anyone coming from the Midwest would realistically need to drop at least $75,000 just to buy the place, and then another $45,000 to properly furnish and equip it, so yes, he really did strike gold!
rowdypilot19 rowdypilot19 Active Member
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#12 ·
That's really just for furnishing the rental, you know? If they were starting with an old house, it probably cost them way more because the layout was just terrible for making it work like that.

Personally, I’d trade a €110k apartment for 35 acres of prime farmland in a heartbeat.

I honestly don't get why everyone acts like they're experts on rentals when they clearly don't have a clue about modern farming or how the market actually works.

Just imagine the sales potential you could have with this kind of tourism... and of course, the Midwest is struggling. Or, well, it's already gone downhill, except for maybe that 1-2% of smart, capable people who are actually making serious money from agriculture.
Betty Bennett70 Betty Bennett70 Member
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#13 ·
Listen, the layout of those rooms is just terrible

But honestly, have you actually stepped foot inside his apartment? Once you see the sheer amount of money he poured into that place, you'll understand

Hahaha!

It would be much better if he just kept his mouth shut and stayed humble instead of trying to lecture anyone about incompetence, especially when all he really needs to do is handle the check-in for the Britons
rowdypilot19 rowdypilot19 Active Member
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#14 ·
Hitting a price point like that isn't easy, honestly—not even for a single hotel. I guess you could say it takes some serious skill and a lot of upfront investment to pull it off.

If he was dealing with an old house from the 70s or 80s, he would have had to, at the very least, tear down all the walls and start over to offer a rate like that.

You want to know how people actually manage to hit those numbers? Of course you don't.

To be totally honest, charging 100 euros per bed for a quad room is a massive win, and you really have to give the guy credit for that.

At the end of the day, if he wasn't hosting Britons, there probably wouldn't even be any incentive to do it.
Betty Bennett70 Betty Bennett70 Member
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#15 ·
rowdypilot19 said:Hitting a price point like that isn't easy, honestly—not even for a single hotel. I guess you could say it takes some serious skill and a lot of upfront investment to pull it off.

If he was dealing with an old house from the 70s or 80s, he would have had to, at the very least, tear down all the walls and start over to offer a rate like that.

You want to know how people actually manage to hit those numbers? Of course you don't.

To be totally honest, charging 100 euros per bed for a quad room is a massive win, and you really have to give the guy credit for that.

At the end of the day, if he wasn't hosting Britons, there probably wouldn't even be any incentive to do it.

Look, if he’s already established in a prime location, then things are easy.

And if he started with a massive pile of seed money, well, that makes it just as easy.

All these "ifs" and "buts" don't mean much to me because I don't know anything about him, nor do I care to.

He should probably stop trying to lecture everyone else with that "eat your cake and have it too" attitude and just enjoy the money he's making.

Now, let's get this discussion back on track and stick to the actual topic at hand.
Noah Sullivan Noah Sullivan Active Member
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#16 ·
wearytrucker22 said:Let’s put it this way—we try to compete in the tourism market against budget destinations like Turkey, Egypt, or Greece, and we manage to stay afloat. Meanwhile, people in the Midwest are killing it in agriculture because they actually have comparative advantages in things like potatoes, cabbage, or apples.
Every region needs to specialize and export whatever they can produce most efficiently—where costs are low and productivity is high—while importing goods where their own production costs are too steep or inefficient.
As things stand right now, the Midwest isn't even capable of leveraging its own comparative advantages; consequently, we pathetic souls end up importing fruit and vegetables from our neighbors or even from the other side of the continent like Spain, while importing meat from Germany and Denmark.Oh, please—these Midwesterners can't even figure out how to fatten a pig properly, so we import them from Denmark and the Netherlands—countries with massive labor costs. They’re great at drinking beer and complaining, though; if they want to die off because they refuse to work, well, that's on them.

For hundreds of years, they were considered the hardest workers around, and now, suddenly, they’re labeled "lazy"—doesn't that strike you as a bit suspicious? Look, the reality is that their products (along with a massive array of other goods) simply aren't competitive under current conditions—given an overvalued currency and sky-high interest rates on loans.
Those who *are* actually competitive under these constraints should be rewarded with higher margins,
rather than watching the majority of domestic production wither away while a few barely scrape by. Farmers, for instance, should be receiving low-interest loans stemming directly from primary Federal Reserve emissions, instead of being blamed for failing to compete with those who are profiting from cheap money pumped out by the European Central Bank.

The fault lies, quite clearly, in a nonsensical monetary policy—one that has remained fixed since 1994 despite nothing but poor results.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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#17 ·
To make things even more tragic, this year's drought basically scorched everything to the ground.
The reality is, the government (or the European Union) is going to have to start dumping money into irrigation systems.
In my opinion, small-scale farmers can't really cut it unless they stick to tobacco, veggies, fruit, or grapes—basically anything where you've got to put in the sweat equity and serious work. You just can't sustain grain, meat, or dairy without large-scale production. (And we’ve already seen what happens when that fails—estates go bust and people move away, so clearly, that path isn't working)
Honestly, what we’re doing right now with these subsidies feels a lot like socialism. It’s kind of like that in the European Union too (well, maybe not quite, since they probably actually have demand for their goods, so it's more like a form of "protectionism"), but here, it feels like we're just handing out cash just to keep things from falling into total ruin. We desperately need supporting industries to actually turn those raw materials into finished products.
That old model, back when we were hitting our peaks, was much better.

Tourism has potential, sure, but banking everything on it was a mistake. For regions like the Midwest to actually pull in tourists, they need to look like places where people actually thrive off farming—it’s all one big cycle.
Sam Martinez9 Sam Martinez9 Regular
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#18 ·
It’s honestly a bit tragic. We fought so hard to dismantle socialism and embrace capitalism, yet here we are, a quarter-century later, and people still seem completely lost when it comes to the fundamental rules of how a market economy actually functions.

See, capitalism is driven by efficiency. And you simply cannot achieve efficiency without economies of scale. You aren't going to outproduce someone managing massive tracts of land when you're stuck working a tiny backyard plot. Your unit costs will always be higher. It’s basic math: if you’re raising livestock, your overhead per animal is significantly lower if you're managing a herd of 1,000 compared to someone struggling with just 10.

I could go on, but those are really just the basics.

The bottom line is that those who wanted to make a living in agriculture should have been looking for ways to consolidate their holdings. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the farmer.

That said, the government bears its own share of the blame for sitting on its hands. Instead of investing in essential infrastructure—things like irrigation, drainage systems, cold storage, or silos, which are far more critical than mere subsidies—they did nothing. A state built on laziness and graft inevitably leads to exactly what we are seeing now: systemic decay.
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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#19 ·
rowdypilot19 said:Hitting a price point like that isn't easy, honestly—not even for a single hotel. I guess you could say it takes some serious skill and a lot of upfront investment to pull it off.

If he was dealing with an old house from the 70s or 80s, he would have had to, at the very least, tear down all the walls and start over to offer a rate like that.

You want to know how people actually manage to hit those numbers? Of course you don't.

To be totally honest, charging 100 euros per bed for a quad room is a massive win, and you really have to give the guy credit for that.

At the end of the day, if he wasn't hosting Britons, there probably wouldn't even be any incentive to do it.

You're absolutely right—it hasn't been easy. One single slip-up and one bad review can tank the whole operation. My original plan was to pull in about $6,000 to $7,000 per season. But if you spot a gap in the market and put the work in, you've basically broken even on your initial investment between this year and last. Now, I’ve identified a specific niche paying anywhere from $1,250 to $1,500 a day. Moving forward...

Noah Sullivan said:For hundreds of years, they were considered the hardest workers around, and now, suddenly, they’re labeled "lazy"—doesn't that strike you as a bit suspicious? Look, the reality is that their products (along with a massive array of other goods) simply aren't competitive under current conditions—given an overvalued currency and sky-high interest rates on loans.
Those who *are* actually competitive under these constraints should be rewarded with higher margins,
rather than watching the majority of domestic production wither away while a few barely scrape by. Farmers, for instance, should be receiving low-interest loans stemming directly from primary Federal Reserve emissions, instead of being blamed for failing to compete with those who are profiting from cheap money pumped out by the European Central Bank.

The fault lies, quite clearly, in a nonsensical monetary policy—one that has remained fixed since 1994 despite nothing but poor results.

I just spotted an opportunity to pull in about $1,300 to $1,600 a day, but there’s a catch: you need at least $650,000 in capital—or a massive loan—to get off the ground. Honestly, that kind of debt is a joke to ask of regular folks. I’m personally not diving into this until I’ve scraped together 80% to 90% of the cash myself. I say that as a nod to those people out in the Midwest asking for loans just to start production. Sure, getting a bank loan is easy, but you actually have to pay it back, and nobody is giving you any guarantees once things go south. Taking a loan isn't a handout; if you don't have your own skin in the game, you're basically throwing money into the wind and setting yourself up for total ruin. If you don't have the funds, just pack up and head to Denmark to work on some pig farm. Get your experience and build up enough seed money to cover at least 30% of the investment—not counting the land, obviously. When you're playing with your own hard-earned cash, the psychology is completely different than when you're gambling with someone else's money.

Here’s how you actually make it in some small Midwest town with maybe 100 to 500 people.

Get together at some house, grab a beer, and round up your fellow citizens.
Let's get a farming collective off the ground.
Let's get an inventory of the machinery together.
Compile a list of core competencies. You have to know everything—and frankly, you need to understand agricultural production better than any of the competition in the European Union. It’s like how people from Southern California just inherently know how to grow the perfect mandarins or watermelons.
Compile a land registry list.
So, let's say you all decide to pool your resources and jump into large-scale production together—we're talking about hitting a target of, say, 1,000 tons of vegetables.
So, you want a full-scale vegetable harvest schedule mapped out a year in advance, including specific quantities? Fine. Let’s get down to business. You can't just wander into the garden in July and hope for the best; that's how you end up with nothing but dirt and regret. If you want to actually feed people—or at least have enough to stock a pantry—you need a roadmap. Here is how you structure a professional-grade planting and harvest master plan for an American backyard or small farm setup. **Phase 1: The Inventory & Goal Setting (The "What" and "How Much")** Before you touch a shovel, you need to know your numbers. Don't guess. * **Define your yield targets:** Are we talking about feeding a family of four for the summer, or are we trying to preserve enough canned goods to last through a Midwestern winter? * **Calculate by weight or volume:** Instead of saying "I want tomatoes," say "I need 50 pounds of tomatoes." That dictates whether you plant three plants or twenty. * **Analyze your zone:** This isn't one-size-fits-all. Your plan for a garden in Florida is going to look nothing like a plan for a garden in Maine. Determine your USDA Hardiness Zone immediately. **Phase 2: The Seasonal Breakdown (The Timeline)** You need to divide your year into three distinct operational windows. **1. The Early Spring Push (Frost to Late May)** * **Focus:** Cold-hardy crops. Think peas, spinach, radishes, and kale. * **The Math:** These grow fast. If you need 5 lbs of radishes, you can plant them in waves every two weeks to ensure a continuous supply rather than one massive, overwhelming harvest. * **Action:** Get your soil prep done in late February/early March. **2. The Summer Heat Wave (June to August)** * **Focus:** The heavy hitters. Tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, corn, and squash. * **The Math:** This is where your quantity calculations matter most. Corn takes up significant real estate for relatively low caloric density per square foot compared to, say, potatoes. Plan your acreage accordingly. * **Action:** Stagger your plantings. Don't put all your tomato starts in the ground on the same day unless you want 40 pounds of tomatoes rotting on your porch all at once in July. **3. The Autumn Harvest (September to November)** * **Focus:** Root vegetables and brassicas. Carrots, beets, garlic (which gets planted in the fall for next year), and broccoli. * **The Math:** Garlic requires a massive lead time. You plant it now to reap the rewards next summer. * **Action:** This is your cleanup and preservation phase. **Phase 3: Creating the Master Spreadsheet** To do this right, you need a document with these columns: 1. **Crop Name** 2. **Target Quantity** (lbs/oz) 3. **Estimated Yield per Plant** (Research this; don't wing it) 4. **Number of Plants Needed** (Target Quantity ÷ Yield per Plant = Number of Plants) 5. **Planting Date** (Based on your local frost dates) 6. **Expected Harvest Window** **The Bottom Line:** If you aren't calculating based on the actual yield of a single plant, you aren't planning—you're just wishing. Do the math, account for the inevitable pests or a random July drought, and build in a 15% buffer. That’s the only way to actually succeed.
If you can find someone truly capable, send them out across the US and the coastlines to hammer out deals with shopping malls and the big corporations that supply hotels and everything else.
Look, if you’ve got inventory that got trashed because of some crazy weather hitting your supply chain right after you signed a sales contract, don't just sit there staring at the loss. If you actually want to run a business, go out and buy the stock on the open market instead. Grab it, get it moved, and deliver it to your customers five or ten minutes before the deadline hits. That's how you handle it.
Success is a total guarantee if you can pull off 1,000 tons of organic produce every single day. You negotiate the deals now, deliver next year, and you’ll have everything sold off to the Mediterranean market without a single hitch.
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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#20 ·
Sam Martinez9 said:It’s honestly a bit tragic. We fought so hard to dismantle socialism and embrace capitalism, yet here we are, a quarter-century later, and people still seem completely lost when it comes to the fundamental rules of how a market economy actually functions.

See, capitalism is driven by efficiency. And you simply cannot achieve efficiency without economies of scale. You aren't going to outproduce someone managing massive tracts of land when you're stuck working a tiny backyard plot. Your unit costs will always be higher. It’s basic math: if you’re raising livestock, your overhead per animal is significantly lower if you're managing a herd of 1,000 compared to someone struggling with just 10.

I could go on, but those are really just the basics.

The bottom line is that those who wanted to make a living in agriculture should have been looking for ways to consolidate their holdings. That responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of the farmer.

That said, the government bears its own share of the blame for sitting on its hands. Instead of investing in essential infrastructure—things like irrigation, drainage systems, cold storage, or silos, which are far more critical than mere subsidies—they did nothing. A state built on laziness and graft inevitably leads to exactly what we are seeing now: systemic decay.

Check this out, then tell me it isn't incompetent farmers instead of an irresponsible state. These guys probably import corn from the Midwest, run a successful hog operation, and then end up selling some of those pigs back into the local market where even folks in the Midwest buy them at Walmart. I picked a standard farm on purpose.


Once you've watched that, you absolutely have to see this:
what the Midwest and the plains look like today compared to what American farmers went through in the '90s.

The video was made as a warning to rural farmers about what happens if the American system gets implemented in the European Union.

If I were running a hog farm, for example, I’d fail miserably. I’ve barely ever seen a live pig in my life. Same goes for you guys—if you tried running my business, you’d go belly up after the first season. You wouldn't even make it through the year before you were drowning in lawsuits over damages and trying to claw back your investments.

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