Why did the US penalize Deutsche Bank?

Lately, all the major news networks have been buzzing about how the US DOJ is hitting Deutsche Bank with a $14 billion fine, something that could potentially shake the entire global financial sector.

I haven't dug into any specific articles regarding the exact reasons for this penalty, but from what I've gathered through vague mainstream media reports, it seems to be tied to the sale of US Subprime lenders products that triggered the 2008 crisis.

So, I'm a little confused here...

Americans didn't just fail to penalize their own financial institutions that offloaded those subprime products; they actually stepped in to bail out and recapitalize many of them.

How does it make sense that a German bank is getting hammered now for selling the exact same financial products that US banks were peddling—the same ones the US government didn't punish, but actually saved?!

It feels totally contradictory...

I'm probably missing something, so if anyone knows the deal, please fill me in.

Of course they got hit with fines...
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/30/misbe...-in-fines.html

What’s even wilder is that the Germans flat-out refused to pay up.

I wouldn't claim to be an "insider," but I think it’s pretty obvious to anyone paying attention: the US is pulling every lever available to destabilize Germany. Things like General Motors—well, their equivalents over there—Deutsche Bank, and the whole migrant crisis are just the tip of the iceberg in what we're seeing. The Germans are slowly sliding out of the American embrace, and frankly, that's more dangerous for the US than almost anything else.

Arthur Johnson68 said:I wouldn't claim to be an "insider," but I think it’s pretty obvious to anyone paying attention: the US is pulling every lever available to destabilize Germany. Things like General Motors—well, their equivalents over there—Deutsche Bank, and the whole migrant crisis are just the tip of the iceberg in what we're seeing. The Germans are slowly sliding out of the American embrace, and frankly, that's more dangerous for the US than almost anything else.

I’m starting to feel the exact same way about all of this.😉 There were even whispers about them being cheated out of the S&P 500, not to mention the whole situation where they were eavesdropping on Angela Merkel. The financial crisis originated entirely within the US, and I really don't see how Deutsche Bank could have much to do with it, other than perhaps some indirect connection—though there is that one correlation where Apple ends up paying roughly the same amount to Ireland. To me, it looks like a massive rift is forming between the US and the European Union.🍿

Harold Anderson3 said:I’m starting to feel the exact same way about all of this.😉 There were even whispers about them being cheated out of the S&P 500, not to mention the whole situation where they were eavesdropping on Angela Merkel. The financial crisis originated entirely within the US, and I really don't see how Deutsche Bank could have much to do with it, other than perhaps some indirect connection—though there is that one correlation where Apple ends up paying roughly the same amount to Ireland. To me, it looks like a massive rift is forming between the US and the European Union.🍿

In a way, sure—but I’m still struggling to wrap my head around what the European Union actually *is*. What is it trying to achieve? What are its ultimate goals? And more importantly, how does it honestly plan to reach them? If you ask me, the EU won't last five years—and that’s being generous. The real question isn't about the present, but about the aftermath. Once the dust settles and the union collapses, what comes next? What kind of shape will the various nations find themselves in? What role will Germany play in that vacuum, and where does France fit in? We'll likely see a massive shift in the power dynamic between those two—and, of course, there's the looming question of just how much influence the United States will wield over a fractured Europe.

Harold Anderson3 said:I’m starting to feel the exact same way about all of this.😉 There were even whispers about them being cheated out of the S&P 500, not to mention the whole situation where they were eavesdropping on Angela Merkel. The financial crisis originated entirely within the US, and I really don't see how Deutsche Bank could have much to do with it, other than perhaps some indirect connection—though there is that one correlation where Apple ends up paying roughly the same amount to Ireland. To me, it looks like a massive rift is forming between the US and the European Union.🍿

Paul Craig Roberts, the guy who helped shape Reaganomics, argues that the European Union was always designed to strip power away from individual nations through a massive, vague bureaucracy.

Deutsche Bank refusing to pay that "fine" and Ireland going after Apple look like attempts to break away from the US/EU bloc, not the other way around.
All the other subtle signs out there suggest the honeymoon phase is officially over.

There’s a lot of misinformation floating around here.

1. It’s just not true that the US government hasn't gone after its own financial institutions. In fact, some have actually paid out even more than what they're asking from Deutsche Bank.

2. And no, it isn't accurate to say that Deutsche Bank is flat-out refusing to pay—it’s more that they are disputing the sheer scale of the amount.
To give you an idea, we're talking about a figure roughly equal to the entire market cap of Deutsche Bank on the stock exchange.

3. The European Union is essentially a political project—an ideological experiment run by Eurounitarians and globalists.
I mean, what kind of direct connection could the CIA possibly have to all that?

I mean, look, Bank of America gets slapped with a $50 billion fine, then JPMorgan Chase gets hit with $22 billion, and so on... but how they actually settled those deals behind closed doors? Man, I haven't got a clue...

America skillfully leverages its position of power to further fatten the national treasury at the expense of an occupied Europe.

Jamie Edwards3 said:Of course they got hit with fines...
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/30/misbe...-in-fines.html

But wait, didn't those penalties come right after the government was pumping about $80 billion a month into those banks?

First you hand them $80 billion every single month, then you turn around and "punish" them...

Linda Collins3 said:But wait, didn't those penalties come right after the government was pumping about $80 billion a month into those banks?

First you hand them $80 billion every single month, then you turn around and "punish" them...

Man, that’s exactly the point! They know they're too big to fail, and the government can't let them go belly up because the whole system would just implode—so that's their playbook. They block any real regulation, and they’ll do it all over again.
Just look at how many presidents and CEOs from banks and insurance companies lined their pockets by peddling absolute garbage. They knew it was junk, but they still pushed it and raked in massive bonuses for doing it. From the low-level suits to the guys at the top, it’s basically one giant pyramid scheme of rewards. They knew this bubble couldn't last forever and had to pop eventually. Most of them were dumping their own bank stocks while they could, knowing the ship was sinking, right when things looked best. God bless the American way of life!

And the absolute worst of the bunch? The rating agencies. They knew exactly what kind of mess was sitting on those bank balance sheets—they knew there was zero chance of getting paid back—but they kept slapping them with AAA ratings just to keep the charade going as long as possible. It's the unholy trinity: the banks, the insurance companies, and the rating agencies.

International socialism only seems to recognize the concept of punishment because it lacks any true knowledge of God. That is where the fundamental issue lies.

Timothy Nelson5 said:There’s a lot of misinformation floating around here.

1. It’s just not true that the US government hasn't gone after its own financial institutions. In fact, some have actually paid out even more than what they're asking from Deutsche Bank.

2. And no, it isn't accurate to say that Deutsche Bank is flat-out refusing to pay—it’s more that they are disputing the sheer scale of the amount.
To give you an idea, we're talking about a figure roughly equal to the entire market cap of Deutsche Bank on the stock exchange.

3. The European Union is essentially a political project—an ideological experiment run by Eurounitarians and globalists.
I mean, what kind of direct connection could the CIA possibly have to all that?

Regarding the EU and the CIA, here's an interesting piece from The Wall Street Journal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...iteers-discov/
In the book The man Who Kept The Secrets : Richard Helms and The CIA, those American "games" played across Europe are described in such detail, it's almost hard to believe.

As for the US government, think about how much cash they pumped into Wall Street after the 2007 bubble just to bail out the exact same players who caused the crisis in the first place.
If you ask me, this whole thing with JPMorgan Chase is straight-up extortion. Someone decided it was a great time to look at JPMorgan Chase or Goldman Sachs and go, "Hey, now that our guys went bust, let's mess with the Germans a little."
It might be time for the Germans to start asking again—hey guys, what happened to our gold!?
And besides, what about jurisdiction??

Steven Perez60 said:Regarding the EU and the CIA, here's an interesting piece from The Wall Street Journal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...iteers-discov/
In the book The man Who Kept The Secrets : Richard Helms and The CIA, those American "games" played across Europe are described in such detail, it's almost hard to believe.

As for the US government, think about how much cash they pumped into Wall Street after the 2007 bubble just to bail out the exact same players who caused the crisis in the first place.
If you ask me, this whole thing with JPMorgan Chase is straight-up extortion. Someone decided it was a great time to look at JPMorgan Chase or Goldman Sachs and go, "Hey, now that our guys went bust, let's mess with the Germans a little."
It might be time for the Germans to start asking again—hey guys, what happened to our gold!?
And besides, what about jurisdiction??

I suppose the CIA is just the executive arm doing whatever it's told. They’re also the convenient fall guy when things go sideways. But who actually gives the orders? The globalist elite, the Bilderberg Group, and so on...

When it comes to the US government, I wonder how much money they pumped into Wall Street after the 2007 bubble, just to bail out the exact same players who triggered the crisis in the first place?

If you ask me, this whole thing with Deutsche Bank is basically just extortion. It seems someone at JPMorgan Chase or Goldman Sachs had a clever idea—now that our own banks have gone bust, let's mess with the Germans a little bit.

It was the nexus of corrupt politicians, lobbyists, and banking vultures that really drove the collapse, all chasing profit and influence. And once the taxpayers footed the bill for the golden parachutes and the bailouts, suddenly everyone needs a scapegoat.
And here we go again, blaming the Germans... all secret Nazis, blah blah blah...

Maybe it's time for the Germans to start asking questions again—hey guys, what happened to our gold!?

Did it head over to China?
🤔 😁

Also, what about jurisdiction??

What did the locksmith say?
"There's no sense following the rules like a drunkard follows a shadow..."
😁
Ultimately, whoever holds the power holds the jurisdiction. If you try to take it away from them, they'll just seize it themselves.

Who actually swiped the gold from the most secure vault on the planet!? Who's the number one thief in the whole world?

http://beforeitsnews.com/banksters/2...9-2431960.html

Chinese Discovered Fake Gold Bars of Tungsten in 2009
Sunday, September 30, 2012 16:22

old Finger – A New Take On Operation Grand Slam With A Tungsten Twist

I’ve already talked about those weird physical gold settlements happening over in London back in the first week of October, 2009. Basically, these deals involved at least one Federal Reserve [The Bank of England] stepping in to fix things up for J.P. Morgan and Deutsche Bank—who straight-up DID NOT actually have the gold bullion they’d sold short and promised to deliver. At the same time, I flagged two other super sketchy situations:

1] - Weird glitches in the gold ETF – GLD’s bar list between Sept. 25 and Oct. 14. One minute the list is 1,381 pages long, then suddenly it drops to under 200, and then jumps right back up to around 800 pages. Total chaos.

2] - Reports popping up about 400 oz. “good delivery” gold bricks being found hollowed out and stuffed with tungsten inside LBMA-approved vaults in Hong Kong.

Why Tungsten?

Think about it: if you were planning to make "fake" gold bars, tungsten is the perfect go-to. It’s only about $10 a pound, and since its density is almost identical to gold, you couldn't tell a fake bar salted with tungsten from a real solid gold bar just by putting it on a scale. Smart, but dirty.

But wait, it gets even uglier.

When the word first got out about those tungsten-filled gold bars in Hong Kong, everyone I know immediately jumped to the conclusion that they were made in China—mostly because everyone sees China as the "knock-off capital of the world."

But here is the real story as I see it now:

We're talking about somewhere between 5,600 and 5,700 of these "salted" 400 oz. good delivery bars—that's roughly 60 metric tons!

This wasn't some amateur job; it looks like a massive, highly organized criminal operation with deep pockets.

And get this—Within Mera Hours of this scam being identified – Chinese officials Had many of The perpetrators in custody.

Some "democratic" capitalists just walked off with 60 tons of gold. The article even mentions Deutsche Bank.

This whole thing feels like watching two bullies in a schoolyard—one little punk and one massive meathead—shakedown some kid for his lunch money. Pretty soon, they’re gonna be demanding he hand over his sneakers too.

Arthur Johnson68 said:I wouldn't claim to be an "insider," but I think it’s pretty obvious to anyone paying attention: the US is pulling every lever available to destabilize Germany. Things like General Motors—well, their equivalents over there—Deutsche Bank, and the whole migrant crisis are just the tip of the iceberg in what we're seeing. The Germans are slowly sliding out of the American embrace, and frankly, that's more dangerous for the US than almost anything else.

That doesn't mean the Germans aren't complicit here, though. Far from it. They aren't any better than Americans. You only have to look at how their banks and telecom companies behave toward us—acting like absolute slave drivers.

Tyler Johnson11 said:Man, that’s exactly the point! They know they're too big to fail, and the government can't let them go belly up because the whole system would just implode—so that's their playbook. They block any real regulation, and they’ll do it all over again.
Just look at how many presidents and CEOs from banks and insurance companies lined their pockets by peddling absolute garbage. They knew it was junk, but they still pushed it and raked in massive bonuses for doing it. From the low-level suits to the guys at the top, it’s basically one giant pyramid scheme of rewards. They knew this bubble couldn't last forever and had to pop eventually. Most of them were dumping their own bank stocks while they could, knowing the ship was sinking, right when things looked best. God bless the American way of life!

And the absolute worst of the bunch? The rating agencies. They knew exactly what kind of mess was sitting on those bank balance sheets—they knew there was zero chance of getting paid back—but they kept slapping them with AAA ratings just to keep the charade going as long as possible. It's the unholy trinity: the banks, the insurance companies, and the rating agencies.

But in all this chaos, what actually happened to the free market, capitalism, and those other grand little slogans we used to believe in?

Arthur Johnson68 said:In a way, sure—but I’m still struggling to wrap my head around what the European Union actually *is*. What is it trying to achieve? What are its ultimate goals? And more importantly, how does it honestly plan to reach them? If you ask me, the EU won't last five years—and that’s being generous. The real question isn't about the present, but about the aftermath. Once the dust settles and the union collapses, what comes next? What kind of shape will the various nations find themselves in? What role will Germany play in that vacuum, and where does France fit in? We'll likely see a massive shift in the power dynamic between those two—and, of course, there's the looming question of just how much influence the United States will wield over a fractured Europe.

The United Nations is actually quite simple to grasp. It’s an artificial construct where a handful of major powers try to exploit everyone else, much like they did during the era of colonialism. And even among the "privileged" ones, they're constantly trying to screw each other over.

Just try breaking into the French or German markets to compete with their local companies—you'll run straight into a wall of carefully placed, insurmountable barriers. But then, when giants from the USA like Amazon and Google come knocking, they can't compete with them locally, so instead, they just slap them with senseless fines.

Because of this outdated, twisted model, the United Nations will never truly be a real competitor to the USA or China. It’s going to devolve into a bunch of isolated actors who are doomed from the jump, because in today's world of globalization and economic blocs, solo players simply don't stand a chance.

It's paradoxical, really. The United Nations could have succeeded if it had created a borderless space similar to the USA, but that’s never going to happen because of that deep-seated, traditional xenophobia toward "outsiders." Everyone just wants to be above everyone else.

That’s why the United Nations is staring down some incredibly dark days. Investment is drying up because people aren't confident in future prosperity. People are hoarding cash in savings accounts because they're too terrified to invest. This is why you see experts pushing useless jobs—roles that exist solely to shuffle money around, from bank advisors to various consultants with fancy-sounding titles. We're looking at a future of rampant nepotism and hiring based on non-economic criteria on a scale we've never seen before, which is already happening in several countries. The principle is basically: we're all going down, so every man for himself.

The final nail in the coffin for the United Nations economy will be when the USA forcibly extorts NAFTA (I expect this to happen within two years). All this talk about the decline of the USA is nonsense. If the United Nations took its military budget—roughly $500 billion—and invested it every year, they could buy up everything in the United Nations within a decade. That is the actual way to view the sheer economic might of the USA. With that kind of money, they could employ 50 million Europeans.