What do you guys think about the idea of living to 500?

Maria Robinson2 said:Technology and spirituality... they just don't seem to play well together.

I couldn't disagree more.

Michael Gonzalez77 said:I couldn't disagree more.

Not even slightly. I suppose engineers need their hardware—their "iron wings"—but a spiritual person possesses invisible ones that are, maybe, a million times more powerful.

Maria Robinson2 said:Not even slightly. I suppose engineers need their hardware—their "iron wings"—but a spiritual person possesses invisible ones that are, maybe, a million times more powerful.

That misses the point entirely. 🤣

wearyowl29 said:That sounds cool on paper, but who would even want it...?

The collective mindset of our society in this century is still stuck in the era of plantation slavery—it takes much more than five or six generations to finally shake off the habit of treating people like property.

They wouldn't, because they'd evolve. Look, it’s not like we were suddenly teleported into the future and we're lagging 500 years behind while trying to catch up. Sure, some idiots would still be idiots even after 500 years, but most people would have evolved by then.

Maria Robinson2 said:Not even slightly. I suppose engineers need their hardware—their "iron wings"—but a spiritual person possesses invisible ones that are, maybe, a million times more powerful.

Wait, what are we even talking about here? Chicken wings?

It's clear you don't grasp the fundamental premises of either science or spirituality.

Every single spiritual practice throughout history emerged within the context of the technology available at the time—none of them were ever truly "anti-tech."
Society functions like a giant interconnected web of vessels; whatever ripples through one level inevitably impacts the others.

crimsonwolf21 said:They wouldn't, because they'd evolve. Look, it’s not like we were suddenly teleported into the future and we're lagging 500 years behind while trying to catch up. Sure, some idiots would still be idiots even after 500 years, but most people would have evolved by then.

I disagree! I think they’d actually get stuck, frozen in place by a single generation. The gap between generations wouldn't be fast enough to push society toward any kind of mental evolution.

If we were looking at the timeline from our era, only a few generations would have passed. We'd probably still be scratching notes on parchment instead of typing away on a MacBook!

Michael Gonzalez77 said:That misses the point entirely. 🤣

What situation are we even talking about?

Living to 500 isn't some ultimate tragedy—honestly, if that were the case, I’d rather stick to 70 or maybe 80, provided we actually feel healthy.
Because, well...
either someone is chasing eternity—which seems unlikely—or they simply don't care how long they last.
Even with all the medical tech involved, it's not exactly natural; I suppose measuring a human lifespan by how long machines can keep you going is a bit pointless.

Maria Robinson2 said:What situation are we even talking about?

Living to 500 isn't some ultimate tragedy—honestly, if that were the case, I’d rather stick to 70 or maybe 80, provided we actually feel healthy.
Because, well...
either someone is chasing eternity—which seems unlikely—or they simply don't care how long they last.
Even with all the medical tech involved, it's not exactly natural; I suppose measuring a human lifespan by how long machines can keep you going is a bit pointless.

Technology isn't just about hardware and gadgets. To grow spiritually, you also need to master "internal technology"—the subjective ability to harness your own mechanics to fuel overall growth, including the physical side. It's about understanding how things work and using that knowledge to level up.

I definitely wasn't talking about "500 years on life support." You're jumping to that conclusion because you equate a 500-year lifespan with medical machines, while viewing 70 years as a "healthy life." In reality, I don't know many people who actually live healthily. Sadly, most people die from disease—they die *of* illness, whether they're 30 or 90.

People lived for over 500 years a long time ago. Of course, nobody believes that anymore, especially when they're busy believing life started from a random pile of amino acids in some primordial soup—it's basically the "because that's just how it is" argument.

Why limit it to just 500 years? One of the biggest side effects of how far we've fallen is this total inability to believe that God didn't just whip us up as some random science experiment. This life right here? It’s nothing more than a pale, washed-out shadow of what the first humans actually experienced before everything spiraled into this mess of physical and spiritual alienation. If you look at the whole scope of divine revelation, it’s all about getting back to that original state. God’s actual will is for His children to have eternal life, because to Him, we are infinitely more significant than just a piece of creation. That’s why we hold onto faith and hope for Christ's return—for the resurrection of everyone who truly understood what it means to have a relationship with God and with each other, those who lived their lives fueled by love. People with that kind of character are going to live with God on a renewed planet forever. That’s the Love that was planned for us from the very beginning.

Jeffrey Hughes6 said:Why limit it to just 500 years? One of the biggest side effects of how far we've fallen is this total inability to believe that God didn't just whip us up as some random science experiment. This life right here? It’s nothing more than a pale, washed-out shadow of what the first humans actually experienced before everything spiraled into this mess of physical and spiritual alienation. If you look at the whole scope of divine revelation, it’s all about getting back to that original state. God’s actual will is for His children to have eternal life, because to Him, we are infinitely more significant than just a piece of creation. That’s why we hold onto faith and hope for Christ's return—for the resurrection of everyone who truly understood what it means to have a relationship with God and with each other, those who lived their lives fueled by love. People with that kind of character are going to live with God on a renewed planet forever. That’s the Love that was planned for us from the very beginning.

Love is sweet, sure, but nobody needs a case of diabetes.

What "original state" are we talking about here?

I feel like we're just here to learn a few things from a chicken and head back home with a little bit of divine wisdom under our belts.
We roar through eighty years—give or take—and then we bolt right back. We won't know what it's actually like on the other side until we get there. Until then, since we don't have anything better to do, we can just sit around daydreaming about comings and goings, resurrections, conceptions, Easter bunnies, and Jesus...

Michael Gonzalez77 said:Technology isn't just about hardware and gadgets. To grow spiritually, you also need to master "internal technology"—the subjective ability to harness your own mechanics to fuel overall growth, including the physical side. It's about understanding how things work and using that knowledge to level up.

I definitely wasn't talking about "500 years on life support." You're jumping to that conclusion because you equate a 500-year lifespan with medical machines, while viewing 70 years as a "healthy life." In reality, I don't know many people who actually live healthily. Sadly, most people die from disease—they die *of* illness, whether they're 30 or 90.

People lived for over 500 years a long time ago. Of course, nobody believes that anymore, especially when they're busy believing life started from a random pile of amino acids in some primordial soup—it's basically the "because that's just how it is" argument.

... is just a device that praises itself

spirituality is something far beyond that, I guess...

Maria Robinson2 said:... is just a device that praises itself

spirituality is something far beyond that, I guess...

Are we actually trying to make a comparison here?

wearyowl29 said:I disagree! I think they’d actually get stuck, frozen in place by a single generation. The gap between generations wouldn't be fast enough to push society toward any kind of mental evolution.

If we were looking at the timeline from our era, only a few generations would have passed. We'd probably still be scratching notes on parchment instead of typing away on a MacBook!

I'm not so sure about that. Humans are never satisfied with how things are—we're always chasing change. I don't buy the idea that we'd just stall out or that progress would stop dead.

Maria Robinson2 said:... is just a device that praises itself

spirituality is something far beyond that, I guess...

Real growth is impossible without mastering the technology of spiritual development—which means working on a person's energy and aligning their physical, mental, and emotional states to achieve true well-being.
An amateur stays an amateur no matter how hard they try blindly. Spirituality isn't about luck or guesswork; it’s about understanding and practicing the fundamental principles of existence to fuel total growth.

We shouldn't mistake "technology" for just a buzzword from modern science. It actually stems from a basic human hunger for knowledge and our ability to recognize the underlying mechanics of how things grow. Unfortunately, today we mostly see the exploitative, material side of tech, but that's a narrow view. Technology isn't inherently "anti-human"; it's a broad concept that goes far beyond the materialist science of our current era.

There is such a thing as subjective technology—a deep, ancient wisdom passed down by highly evolved individuals who shine a light on it through the ages. Depending on the culture, people call it many things, but the most widely recognized term is yoga. And I don't mean yoga as mere physical exercise; I mean it as a developmental technology aimed at well-being, centered primarily on the energetic level—the kriya.

Michael Gonzalez77 said:Real growth is impossible without mastering the technology of spiritual development—which means working on a person's energy and aligning their physical, mental, and emotional states to achieve true well-being.
An amateur stays an amateur no matter how hard they try blindly. Spirituality isn't about luck or guesswork; it’s about understanding and practicing the fundamental principles of existence to fuel total growth.

We shouldn't mistake "technology" for just a buzzword from modern science. It actually stems from a basic human hunger for knowledge and our ability to recognize the underlying mechanics of how things grow. Unfortunately, today we mostly see the exploitative, material side of tech, but that's a narrow view. Technology isn't inherently "anti-human"; it's a broad concept that goes far beyond the materialist science of our current era.

There is such a thing as subjective technology—a deep, ancient wisdom passed down by highly evolved individuals who shine a light on it through the ages. Depending on the culture, people call it many things, but the most widely recognized term is yoga. And I don't mean yoga as mere physical exercise; I mean it as a developmental technology aimed at well-being, centered primarily on the energetic level—the kriya.

I suppose you could say these things pull people away from true spirituality... which is why fewer and fewer people seem to reach it, despite the endless number of religions and spiritual gurus out there.

Maria Robinson2 said:I suppose you could say these things pull people away from true spirituality... which is why fewer and fewer people seem to reach it, despite the endless number of religions and spiritual gurus out there.

Think of religion as one kind of cage, while the scientific, materialistic view of the universe is another. Neither has to be limiting if you have enough perspective—if you don't let yourself be defined by them, but instead observe them for what they truly are. Technology isn't inherently evil, either. It only becomes a barrier when used by a low level of consciousness to chase selfish goals that exclude or oppress others. In its essence, technology is neutral; it’s actually a tool designed to overcome obstacles. It’s a beautiful manifestation of human intellect and imagination within our physical reality. Of course, tech alone isn't the answer, just as religion isn't the opposite of spirituality. True spiritual understanding doesn't come from organized religion; it comes from personal realization through active, solitary experimentation.

Religion isn't spirituality. Belief isn't spirituality. Historically, religious institutions grew out of the genuine spiritual evolution of individuals, but over time, they became rigid, fossilized structures that resist any real reform. Take "Christianity," for example—it, along with many other faiths, often serves nothing more than hollow rituals and, frankly, dangerous indoctrination that leads to internal and external conflict. There’s no room for actual human experience in those systems. At the end of the day, that’s just the mathematical certainty of how these institutions evolve over time.

Richard Wells said:How do you take away the option of suicide? There always has to be a way out of that hell, because if I didn't have one, life would just be endless suffering.

I'm not even asking for the "how-to" here—we're just playing with ideas and speculating. I just want us to imagine a world where that option simply doesn't exist.

Michael Gonzalez77 said:Think of religion as one kind of cage, while the scientific, materialistic view of the universe is another. Neither has to be limiting if you have enough perspective—if you don't let yourself be defined by them, but instead observe them for what they truly are. Technology isn't inherently evil, either. It only becomes a barrier when used by a low level of consciousness to chase selfish goals that exclude or oppress others. In its essence, technology is neutral; it’s actually a tool designed to overcome obstacles. It’s a beautiful manifestation of human intellect and imagination within our physical reality. Of course, tech alone isn't the answer, just as religion isn't the opposite of spirituality. True spiritual understanding doesn't come from organized religion; it comes from personal realization through active, solitary experimentation.

Religion isn't spirituality. Belief isn't spirituality. Historically, religious institutions grew out of the genuine spiritual evolution of individuals, but over time, they became rigid, fossilized structures that resist any real reform. Take "Christianity," for example—it, along with many other faiths, often serves nothing more than hollow rituals and, frankly, dangerous indoctrination that leads to internal and external conflict. There’s no room for actual human experience in those systems. At the end of the day, that’s just the mathematical certainty of how these institutions evolve over time.

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Michael Gonzalez77 said:Think of religion as one kind of cage, while the scientific, materialistic view of the universe is another. Neither has to be limiting if you have enough perspective—if you don't let yourself be defined by them, but instead observe them for what they truly are. Technology isn't inherently evil, either. It only becomes a barrier when used by a low level of consciousness to chase selfish goals that exclude or oppress others. In its essence, technology is neutral; it’s actually a tool designed to overcome obstacles. It’s a beautiful manifestation of human intellect and imagination within our physical reality. Of course, tech alone isn't the answer, just as religion isn't the opposite of spirituality. True spiritual understanding doesn't come from organized religion; it comes from personal realization through active, solitary experimentation.

Religion isn't spirituality. Belief isn't spirituality. Historically, religious institutions grew out of the genuine spiritual evolution of individuals, but over time, they became rigid, fossilized structures that resist any real reform. Take "Christianity," for example—it, along with many other faiths, often serves nothing more than hollow rituals and, frankly, dangerous indoctrination that leads to internal and external conflict. There’s no room for actual human experience in those systems. At the end of the day, that’s just the mathematical certainty of how these institutions evolve over time.

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If someone follows a religion... they've basically veered off the spiritual track, I suppose.

But then again,

it’s pretty hard to find any supposedly "spiritual" people who aren't rooted in some religious foundation or another.

So, everyone ends up just reading those religious books and trying to pass their philosophy onto others—which really just passes down a cycle where each generation is left wondering what the point actually is. Maybe if we had another 500 years to live, we could finally figure out how to philosophize properly...

Forgive me, but I don't see the purpose here—though, I guess most people probably find their meaning somewhere else entirely.

Look, let's be real, once you hit your 60s, you're basically out of the game, and honestly, who's even looking at you at that age anyway?