#41 ·
@Paul Bailey95
You really need to dial it back with the Chesterton talk. He was just a passing mention, yet you’ve managed to turn him into the center of the universe, acting as if we're somehow polluting the purity of our thought by even bringing him up. Nobody was actually trying to pit him against Aristotle or Hegel, and as I mentioned before, I don't even really view him as a philosopher. If anyone is looking for profound insight, they aren't going to find it in Chesterton; we read him for other reasons entirely. It's like watching a movie like *Inception* on cable—you watch it because it's an interesting ride, not because you're hunting for deep ontological truths. I hope we can put that particular detour to rest now.
But let's finally get back to the actual point:
"This" serves as the bedrock for empiricism and positivism. In those frameworks, "this"—meaning the immediate "now" and "here"—functions as an absolute. It treats immediacy itself as the ultimate truth. For those seeking sensory certainty, this sense of immediacy becomes the very substance of reality. However, in his chapter on sense certainty, Hegel demonstrates that trying to treat "this" as an absolute is nothing more than an absurd, contradictory, and logically bankrupt endeavor. When a person attempts to articulate a specific, unique experience, they inevitably resort to universals and concepts. They begin to selectively dissect the whole. In doing so, they employ language and terms whose meanings exist far beyond the boundaries of that "immediate" experience. After all, "this" is itself just one such universal, standing indifferent to the very immediacy it claims to represent. Consequently, what we call "immediacy" isn't actually immediate at all; it is always, and necessarily, mediated. Consciousness, tripped up by these contradictions, starts to assume that the essence of its current, "unrepeatable" experience isn't rational and therefore can't be captured by language. This leads to the idea that the essence of an experience lies not in what can be expressed, but in the subjective lived moment—an intuitive, unspeakable immediacy of existence. One might call this a sort of "irrational cognition." From this, it follows that a consciousness capable of thinking about the unspeakable cannot be the same consciousness that observes. Furthermore, if something truly "exists," it necessitates a meaningful connection to everything else. Existence requires determinism, which in turn requires linguistic articulation; that is the only way it can integrate into the rest of that consciousness's experiences. Mere "immediacy" isn't enough to guarantee "existence." "This" only gains meaning when it can be compared to other "this-es." The moment consciousness tries to cling to the "now," that moment has already slipped away. This implies that the past, present, and future must all be present within this "now" for it to possess any coherent meaning whatsoever. In other words, every experience is inherently temporal. The illusion of the "immediacy" of "this" or "now" is only possible if consciousness remains oblivious to negation. And negation is the very core of how anything is determined. As Hegel puts it, there is the "absolute power of the negative."
You really need to dial it back with the Chesterton talk. He was just a passing mention, yet you’ve managed to turn him into the center of the universe, acting as if we're somehow polluting the purity of our thought by even bringing him up. Nobody was actually trying to pit him against Aristotle or Hegel, and as I mentioned before, I don't even really view him as a philosopher. If anyone is looking for profound insight, they aren't going to find it in Chesterton; we read him for other reasons entirely. It's like watching a movie like *Inception* on cable—you watch it because it's an interesting ride, not because you're hunting for deep ontological truths. I hope we can put that particular detour to rest now.
But let's finally get back to the actual point:
"This" serves as the bedrock for empiricism and positivism. In those frameworks, "this"—meaning the immediate "now" and "here"—functions as an absolute. It treats immediacy itself as the ultimate truth. For those seeking sensory certainty, this sense of immediacy becomes the very substance of reality. However, in his chapter on sense certainty, Hegel demonstrates that trying to treat "this" as an absolute is nothing more than an absurd, contradictory, and logically bankrupt endeavor. When a person attempts to articulate a specific, unique experience, they inevitably resort to universals and concepts. They begin to selectively dissect the whole. In doing so, they employ language and terms whose meanings exist far beyond the boundaries of that "immediate" experience. After all, "this" is itself just one such universal, standing indifferent to the very immediacy it claims to represent. Consequently, what we call "immediacy" isn't actually immediate at all; it is always, and necessarily, mediated. Consciousness, tripped up by these contradictions, starts to assume that the essence of its current, "unrepeatable" experience isn't rational and therefore can't be captured by language. This leads to the idea that the essence of an experience lies not in what can be expressed, but in the subjective lived moment—an intuitive, unspeakable immediacy of existence. One might call this a sort of "irrational cognition." From this, it follows that a consciousness capable of thinking about the unspeakable cannot be the same consciousness that observes. Furthermore, if something truly "exists," it necessitates a meaningful connection to everything else. Existence requires determinism, which in turn requires linguistic articulation; that is the only way it can integrate into the rest of that consciousness's experiences. Mere "immediacy" isn't enough to guarantee "existence." "This" only gains meaning when it can be compared to other "this-es." The moment consciousness tries to cling to the "now," that moment has already slipped away. This implies that the past, present, and future must all be present within this "now" for it to possess any coherent meaning whatsoever. In other words, every experience is inherently temporal. The illusion of the "immediacy" of "this" or "now" is only possible if consciousness remains oblivious to negation. And negation is the very core of how anything is determined. As Hegel puts it, there is the "absolute power of the negative."