Is it possible to not belong to any subculture?

A class enemy?

Sandra Wilson68 said:DAVMLA:

Is there anyone out there who doesn't belong to any group?

Hell yeah there is! That’s me. I have zero respect for national, religious, political, or class divisions. They've been the root cause of every major war, terror attack, genocide, and bout of poverty in history. Honestly, they're just pure evil. Because of that, I built my own worldview centered on global unity—basically by stripping away all those labels people cling to. I base all of this on discovering a single, universal law governing matter, life, and nature, which I laid out in my book:

THE LAW OF EXISTENCE.
http://ul.to/50ibd5tn (US)
http://ul.to/ebhuaye7 (eng)

This post is so incredibly contradictory it’s actually hilarious. 🤣

First off, any philosophical take on nature or the ontology of consciousness falls under some kind of "-ism." That's literally why we call them physicalism, idealism, or dualism.

And honestly, every single thing you post is just a direct reflection of your specific view regarding the nature of consciousness. For example, you've even mentioned before that both materialism and idealism are somewhat correct when it comes to that issue.

So, yeah, you definitely belong to an "-ism" after all. And that specific stance of yours—where matter and consciousness are both manifestations of some third thing—is actually called neutral monism.

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It seems to me that most people just end up clinging to various forms of pure idiocy. It’s almost as if they gravitate toward these mindless obsessions, like extreme patriotism,
radicalism, sugar addiction, beer culture, smoking, drug use, or that relentless pursuit of money and materialism—you know,
pure hatred and all that nonsense. 🤣

Frank Thomas92 said:It seems like every single person who expresses an opinion is immediately shoved into some narrow little "-ism."
And then you’ve got the people who don't have a stance at all, who just drift along without any convictions whatsoever.
I mean, honestly, we finally have enough labels to cover the entire planet like cheap wallpaper.😁

What specific ideology would you assign to a person who holds no opinion and simply respects everyone else's?

That’s just... a woman. 🤣

Forgive me—it’s pure masochism.

You could call it sort of "soft Buddhism." Or, if we’re being more precise, perhaps it’s better described as "lost in the Mojave-ism,"
or maybe even "stranded on a Pacific island-ism." 🤣
Or perhaps just plain old "never returning to civilization-ism." 🤣

silvergardener152 said:You could call it sort of "soft Buddhism." Or, if we’re being more precise, perhaps it’s better described as "lost in the Mojave-ism,"
or maybe even "stranded on a Pacific island-ism." 🤣
Or perhaps just plain old "never returning to civilization-ism." 🤣

Buddhism is a very specific philosophy and religion; I don't believe it quite fits this particular line of reasoning. In truth, we are simply discussing an individual human being, rather than some "entity" belonging to a specific movement.

Of course it doesn't exist; stop talking nonsense.

I suppose I should address the comments made by Lawrence Bailey77. It seems there is a certain tendency here to overlook the broader implications of these developments, though perhaps that is simply the nature of modern discourse. One might argue that we are seeing a pattern emerge, one that feels increasingly predictable, if somewhat exhausting. I suspect, if I am being honest, that most people are looking for quick fixes where none exist, which is a rather wearying cycle to witness. Perhaps it is my own cynicism speaking, but I find myself questioning whether anyone is truly paying attention to the underlying mechanics of the situation. It is all quite complicated, I guess, and certainly more nuanced than the superficial takes currently circulating. kaže:
I suppose one might wonder what category of individual falls under the heading of someone who lacks a definitive stance and chooses instead to respect everyone’s opinion unconditionally. It is an interesting question, though perhaps a bit nebulous. I suspect such a person might be labeled a "people pleaser," if we are being blunt about it, or perhaps just someone characterized by a certain intellectual passivity. One could argue that there is a certain virtue in being diplomatic—a quality that is increasingly rare in our rather polarized American landscape—but there is a fine line between being civil and simply being hollow. If a person refuses to take a side on even the most fundamental matters, are they truly respecting others, or are they merely avoiding the discomfort of having a backbone? I don't know. Maybe they are just tired. I think, perhaps, they are just weary of the constant friction that defines modern life. It is a heavy burden, trying to hold a conviction when the world seems determined to tear everything apart. One might call them a centrist, or a fence-sitter, or perhaps just someone who has realized that, in the end, most arguments are just noise. I guess it depends on whether you view their neutrality as a sign of wisdom or a symptom of apathy.

I suppose one could argue that nothing quite like it exists. It seems to me, though I could be mistaken, that we haven't truly encountered its equal before. Perhaps it’s just my own weary cynicism talking, but I find myself doubting if such a thing actually exists in our current reality.I suppose I should address this, though I suspect my input may be largely superfluous given the current state of affairs. It seems we are once again circling the drain of indecision. I guess there isn’t much else to say, really. One could argue that staying silent is its own form of commentary, but perhaps that's just my own weary cynicism talking. Maybe.There was no necessity for it, nor does such an action hold any actual merit. I suppose the fundamental issue is that the very essence of any modification—any attempt at division, restriction, or establishing a sense of belonging—inherently creates an exclusionary boundary. By defining who belongs, you automatically dictate who does not, which, in my estimation, effectively stifles the possibility of genuine discourse. It seems somewhat futile, if you ask me. 🙂

I suppose one could argue that when a man is truly free—and I mean possessing that genuine sense of agency we all claim to value—he acts out of his own volition. If he chooses to show respect, it isn't because some external force or heavy-handed regulation is leaning on him. There is no real necessity for coercion when a person’s actions are driven by their own internal compass. It seems to me, though perhaps I am being overly idealistic, that true integrity only exists when there is no compulsion involved. Without that element of choice, respect is just another form of compliance, which, in my estimation, is a rather hollow substitute for actual character. I suppose I should offer an apology. My mistake, truly. 🙂 I suppose I should address this matter, though I find myself questioning whether it warrants such scrutiny in the first place. It seems we have arrived at a point where certain observations must be made, even if they feel somewhat redundant. Perhaps it is simply the nature of these discussions—a constant circling of the same drain, one might say. I suspect there is more to uncover, but I am hesitant to jump to conclusions without further deliberation. Maybe it’s just my own cynicism talking, but I often wonder if we are merely rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Regardless, let us proceed with caution. I suppose there isn't much to say about this, though I feel compelled to offer a few observations, if only to fill the silence. It seems we are left with very little substance to work with here. One might argue that without a clear subject, any commentary becomes somewhat aimless—though, then again, perhaps that is simply the nature of most modern discourse. I suspect we are all just drifting through these digital spaces, searching for something meaningful that rarely arrives. Perhaps I am being too cynical. Maybe. Regardless, I shall remain here, observing the void. I suppose one could classify that particular case under the category of an individual. Perhaps. It seems to me that such a distinction might be warranted, though I hesitate to be too definitive about it.I suppose I should probably clarify my position on this matter, though I suspect it might be somewhat futile given the current state of discourse. It seems we have reached a point of absolute parity, or perhaps just a tedious stalemate. One could argue that everything is essentially equal at this stage, though I find myself questioning whether such equality is actually a desirable outcome or merely a symptom of general stagnation. Perhaps. I guess it doesn't much matter in the grand scheme of things. Well, I find myself returning to my previous point: this whole situation implies a certain level of allegiance that, if you ask me, he really ought to be rejecting altogether. It seems to me that he should refrain from attaching himself to any particular faction or group whatsoever. In my view, he should serve as his own sole standard of measurement, rather than identifying with some sort of artificial construct or collective entity. Perhaps I am being overly cautious, but I suppose one could argue that true independence means refusing to be defined by such labels. I suppose I should address this matter, though I suspect my input might be somewhat redundant at this stage. It seems we are circling back to the same fundamental issues again, which is, frankly, exhausting. One would think that after all the discussions we've had regarding these systemic inefficiencies, we might have arrived at some semblance of clarity, but perhaps I am being overly optimistic. I guess it’s just the nature of things here in America—constant motion without much actual progress. Maybe we are simply destined to tread this same ground indefinitely. 🙂

I suppose I should begin. It seems there is a certain expectation for me to contribute something of substance here, though I find myself questioning whether any meaningful discourse can truly flourish in such an environment. Perhaps I am being overly pessimistic, but experience suggests that most discussions eventually devolve into mere noise. Regardless, I shall attempt to participate. I suppose I should clarify my position on this matter, though I suspect it may be somewhat futile. I don’t consider myself to belong to any particular group, nor do I feel any sense of affiliation with any specific movement or faction. To be perfectly clear, I am not seeking membership, nor do I wish to be categorized or pigeonholed by anyone. If someone feels an absolute necessity to label me or associate me with a certain cause, they are, of course, free to do as they please—I can hardly stop them—but I want it understood that I am making a deliberate and firm distinction. I simply have no interest in being part of the collective. 😉

What I mean is, take something like Dada, for instance. I suppose it’s just one example, though it’s probably a rather illustrative one if you think about it long enough. Maybe.I suppose I should mention that I am back. It feels like quite some time has passed, though whether that is due to the actual passage of days or merely my own perception of them is something I cannot say for certain. I shall attempt to contribute more regularly, provided the circumstances allow for it. God forbid I should ever find myself associated with a group like that.It appears there might have been an error or some missing context in your message. If you were attempting to provide a specific text for me to rework, please send it over. I am ready to apply the necessary transformations once I have the source material. 👍

I suppose I should probably address the matter of regional affiliation within this forum, though I find the very concept somewhat nebulous. It seems there is a certain expectation for users to identify where they are based, perhaps to foster some sense of community or local relevance. In my experience, such categorizations often feel a bit arbitrary—one can be sitting in a coffee shop in Seattle one moment and then virtually present in a suburb of Chicago the next. I guess what I am trying to say is that while people might want to sort themselves into specific geographic subgroups, I have always found that digital spaces tend to defy those traditional boundaries. Maybe it’s useful for some to know who their neighbors are, but personally, I find the constant need to label oneself by location to be a trifle tedious. It feels like an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy applied to what should be a simple exchange of ideas. Not that I am against it, per se; I just wonder if we aren't all just drifting through the same vast American landscape regardless of our zip codes.It seems there might have been a misunderstanding or perhaps an incomplete thought in your previous message. I am not entirely certain what you intended to convey with that specific term, though I suppose one could speculate on its meaning within this context. Perhaps it was a typo, or maybe a fragment of a larger point you were attempting to make? Either way, if you were looking for a particular insight or trying to initiate a discussion, I would suggest being a bit more explicit. I find that clarity, while often elusive in these digital spaces, usually serves us better in the long run. I guess we can just move forward, provided the intent becomes clear. It is becoming rather tiresome, I must say. One reaches a certain point where the constant need for restraint feels less like discipline and more like a slow erosion of one's very existence. I suppose, if I am being honest with myself, I have no desire to spend my remaining years constantly holding back. It’s an exhausting way to live, isn't it? Perhaps there is a merit to indulgence that we all tend to ignore in favor of being sensible, though I suspect most would disagree. Regardless, the weight of these limitations is starting to feel quite heavy. It seems we have reached an exception. I suppose one could argue that such deviations are inevitable, though they rarely occur when things are functioning according to plan. Perhaps it is simply a matter of unforeseen variables disrupting the expected order. It is hard to say, really. 🙂

I suppose I might have misapplied a term there... my apologies if I've used a concept incorrectly. One can never be entirely certain of these technical nuances, I guess. ☕

Perhaps one could simply conjure up a few stubborn types in the room, if that were even possible. I suppose it’s a rather futile thought, really. I suppose there isn't much left to say on the matter. It seems we have reached a bit of a standstill, though I can't say I'm particularly surprised by that. One would think progress would be more consistent, but perhaps my expectations are simply too high for the current climate. It’s all rather predictable, really. 😒 I suppose one could argue that there is a certain necessity to emphasize the human element in these discussions. It seems, though I might be mistaken, that we often lose sight of the individual amidst all the data and systemic noise. Perhaps if we focused more on the person behind the screen—or the soul behind the statistics—we wouldn't find ourselves in such a predictable state of disillusionment. It’s a bit of a weary thought, really, but I suspect that without that core emphasis, everything else just feels rather hollow.I suppose I should probably address this, though I’m not entirely certain if it’s worth the breath. It feels somewhat futile to dwell on it, I guess. Perhaps there's a point to be made, but I find myself questioning whether any real clarity can be gained from such matters. One could argue it's necessary, but then again, maybe it's just noise. It’s hard to say for sure. But that only applies within the confines of the room, I suppose. 😉

Lawrence Bailey77 said:

I suppose I should address the comments made by Lawrence Bailey77. It seems there is a certain tendency here to overlook the broader implications of these developments, though perhaps that is simply the nature of modern discourse. One might argue that we are seeing a pattern emerge, one that feels increasingly predictable, if somewhat exhausting. I suspect, if I am being honest, that most people are looking for quick fixes where none exist, which is a rather wearying cycle to witness. Perhaps it is my own cynicism speaking, but I find myself questioning whether anyone is truly paying attention to the underlying mechanics of the situation. It is all quite complicated, I guess, and certainly more nuanced than the superficial takes currently circulating. kaže:
I suppose one might wonder what category of individual falls under the heading of someone who lacks a definitive stance and chooses instead to respect everyone’s opinion unconditionally. It is an interesting question, though perhaps a bit nebulous. I suspect such a person might be labeled a "people pleaser," if we are being blunt about it, or perhaps just someone characterized by a certain intellectual passivity. One could argue that there is a certain virtue in being diplomatic—a quality that is increasingly rare in our rather polarized American landscape—but there is a fine line between being civil and simply being hollow. If a person refuses to take a side on even the most fundamental matters, are they truly respecting others, or are they merely avoiding the discomfort of having a backbone? I don't know. Maybe they are just tired. I think, perhaps, they are just weary of the constant friction that defines modern life. It is a heavy burden, trying to hold a conviction when the world seems determined to tear everything apart. One might call them a centrist, or a fence-sitter, or perhaps just someone who has realized that, in the end, most arguments are just noise. I guess it depends on whether you view their neutrality as a sign of wisdom or a symptom of apathy.

I suppose one could argue that nothing quite like it exists. It seems to me, though I could be mistaken, that we haven't truly encountered its equal before. Perhaps it’s just my own weary cynicism talking, but I find myself doubting if such a thing actually exists in our current reality.I suppose I should address this, though I suspect my input may be largely superfluous given the current state of affairs. It seems we are once again circling the drain of indecision. I guess there isn’t much else to say, really. One could argue that staying silent is its own form of commentary, but perhaps that's just my own weary cynicism talking. Maybe.There was no necessity for it, nor does such an action hold any actual merit. I suppose the fundamental issue is that the very essence of any modification—any attempt at division, restriction, or establishing a sense of belonging—inherently creates an exclusionary boundary. By defining who belongs, you automatically dictate who does not, which, in my estimation, effectively stifles the possibility of genuine discourse. It seems somewhat futile, if you ask me. 🙂

I suppose one could argue that when a man is truly free—and I mean possessing that genuine sense of agency we all claim to value—he acts out of his own volition. If he chooses to show respect, it isn't because some external force or heavy-handed regulation is leaning on him. There is no real necessity for coercion when a person’s actions are driven by their own internal compass. It seems to me, though perhaps I am being overly idealistic, that true integrity only exists when there is no compulsion involved. Without that element of choice, respect is just another form of compliance, which, in my estimation, is a rather hollow substitute for actual character. I suppose I should offer an apology. My mistake, truly. 🙂 I suppose I should address this matter, though I find myself questioning whether it warrants such scrutiny in the first place. It seems we have arrived at a point where certain observations must be made, even if they feel somewhat redundant. Perhaps it is simply the nature of these discussions—a constant circling of the same drain, one might say. I suspect there is more to uncover, but I am hesitant to jump to conclusions without further deliberation. Maybe it’s just my own cynicism talking, but I often wonder if we are merely rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Regardless, let us proceed with caution. I suppose there isn't much to say about this, though I feel compelled to offer a few observations, if only to fill the silence. It seems we are left with very little substance to work with here. One might argue that without a clear subject, any commentary becomes somewhat aimless—though, then again, perhaps that is simply the nature of most modern discourse. I suspect we are all just drifting through these digital spaces, searching for something meaningful that rarely arrives. Perhaps I am being too cynical. Maybe. Regardless, I shall remain here, observing the void. I suppose one could classify that particular case under the category of an individual. Perhaps. It seems to me that such a distinction might be warranted, though I hesitate to be too definitive about it.I suppose I should probably clarify my position on this matter, though I suspect it might be somewhat futile given the current state of discourse. It seems we have reached a point of absolute parity, or perhaps just a tedious stalemate. One could argue that everything is essentially equal at this stage, though I find myself questioning whether such equality is actually a desirable outcome or merely a symptom of general stagnation. Perhaps. I guess it doesn't much matter in the grand scheme of things. Well, I find myself returning to my previous point: this whole situation implies a certain level of allegiance that, if you ask me, he really ought to be rejecting altogether. It seems to me that he should refrain from attaching himself to any particular faction or group whatsoever. In my view, he should serve as his own sole standard of measurement, rather than identifying with some sort of artificial construct or collective entity. Perhaps I am being overly cautious, but I suppose one could argue that true independence means refusing to be defined by such labels. I suppose I should address this matter, though I suspect my input might be somewhat redundant at this stage. It seems we are circling back to the same fundamental issues again, which is, frankly, exhausting. One would think that after all the discussions we've had regarding these systemic inefficiencies, we might have arrived at some semblance of clarity, but perhaps I am being overly optimistic. I guess it’s just the nature of things here in America—constant motion without much actual progress. Maybe we are simply destined to tread this same ground indefinitely. 🙂

I suppose I should begin. It seems there is a certain expectation for me to contribute something of substance here, though I find myself questioning whether any meaningful discourse can truly flourish in such an environment. Perhaps I am being overly pessimistic, but experience suggests that most discussions eventually devolve into mere noise. Regardless, I shall attempt to participate. I suppose I should clarify my position on this matter, though I suspect it may be somewhat futile. I don’t consider myself to belong to any particular group, nor do I feel any sense of affiliation with any specific movement or faction. To be perfectly clear, I am not seeking membership, nor do I wish to be categorized or pigeonholed by anyone. If someone feels an absolute necessity to label me or associate me with a certain cause, they are, of course, free to do as they please—I can hardly stop them—but I want it understood that I am making a deliberate and firm distinction. I simply have no interest in being part of the collective. 😉

What I mean is, take something like Dada, for instance. I suppose it’s just one example, though it’s probably a rather illustrative one if you think about it long enough. Maybe.I suppose I should mention that I am back. It feels like quite some time has passed, though whether that is due to the actual passage of days or merely my own perception of them is something I cannot say for certain. I shall attempt to contribute more regularly, provided the circumstances allow for it. God forbid I should ever find myself associated with a group like that.It appears there might have been an error or some missing context in your message. If you were attempting to provide a specific text for me to rework, please send it over. I am ready to apply the necessary transformations once I have the source material. 👍

I suppose I should probably address the matter of regional affiliation within this forum, though I find the very concept somewhat nebulous. It seems there is a certain expectation for users to identify where they are based, perhaps to foster some sense of community or local relevance. In my experience, such categorizations often feel a bit arbitrary—one can be sitting in a coffee shop in Seattle one moment and then virtually present in a suburb of Chicago the next. I guess what I am trying to say is that while people might want to sort themselves into specific geographic subgroups, I have always found that digital spaces tend to defy those traditional boundaries. Maybe it’s useful for some to know who their neighbors are, but personally, I find the constant need to label oneself by location to be a trifle tedious. It feels like an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy applied to what should be a simple exchange of ideas. Not that I am against it, per se; I just wonder if we aren't all just drifting through the same vast American landscape regardless of our zip codes.It seems there might have been a misunderstanding or perhaps an incomplete thought in your previous message. I am not entirely certain what you intended to convey with that specific term, though I suppose one could speculate on its meaning within this context. Perhaps it was a typo, or maybe a fragment of a larger point you were attempting to make? Either way, if you were looking for a particular insight or trying to initiate a discussion, I would suggest being a bit more explicit. I find that clarity, while often elusive in these digital spaces, usually serves us better in the long run. I guess we can just move forward, provided the intent becomes clear. It is becoming rather tiresome, I must say. One reaches a certain point where the constant need for restraint feels less like discipline and more like a slow erosion of one's very existence. I suppose, if I am being honest with myself, I have no desire to spend my remaining years constantly holding back. It’s an exhausting way to live, isn't it? Perhaps there is a merit to indulgence that we all tend to ignore in favor of being sensible, though I suspect most would disagree. Regardless, the weight of these limitations is starting to feel quite heavy. It seems we have reached an exception. I suppose one could argue that such deviations are inevitable, though they rarely occur when things are functioning according to plan. Perhaps it is simply a matter of unforeseen variables disrupting the expected order. It is hard to say, really. 🙂

I suppose I might have misapplied a term there... my apologies if I've used a concept incorrectly. One can never be entirely certain of these technical nuances, I guess. ☕

Perhaps one could simply conjure up a few stubborn types in the room, if that were even possible. I suppose it’s a rather futile thought, really. I suppose there isn't much left to say on the matter. It seems we have reached a bit of a standstill, though I can't say I'm particularly surprised by that. One would think progress would be more consistent, but perhaps my expectations are simply too high for the current climate. It’s all rather predictable, really. 😒 I suppose one could argue that there is a certain necessity to emphasize the human element in these discussions. It seems, though I might be mistaken, that we often lose sight of the individual amidst all the data and systemic noise. Perhaps if we focused more on the person behind the screen—or the soul behind the statistics—we wouldn't find ourselves in such a predictable state of disillusionment. It’s a bit of a weary thought, really, but I suspect that without that core emphasis, everything else just feels rather hollow.I suppose I should probably address this, though I’m not entirely certain if it’s worth the breath. It feels somewhat futile to dwell on it, I guess. Perhaps there's a point to be made, but I find myself questioning whether any real clarity can be gained from such matters. One could argue it's necessary, but then again, maybe it's just noise. It’s hard to say for sure. But that only applies within the confines of the room, I suppose. 😉

Individualism also entails embracing a personal value system, which is itself a philosophical perspective. However, there is the "lone individual" who simply possesses no clearly defined system of values or beliefs. Such a person remains indifferent toward questions of value and, consequently, stays uninterested in any "-isms," as they are tied to specific doctrines, believing there is no reason to accept anything at all.

Gerald Hill said:Individualism also entails embracing a personal value system, which is itself a philosophical perspective. However, there is the "lone individual" who simply possesses no clearly defined system of values or beliefs. Such a person remains indifferent toward questions of value and, consequently, stays uninterested in any "-isms," as they are tied to specific doctrines, believing there is no reason to accept anything at all.

If I follow your logic... personally, I find myself clinging to certain ideologies merely to facilitate easier communication. There are so many compromises involved; language itself acts as such a significant limitation, yet it remains indispensable for verbal interaction. Of course, there are various modes of communication, so...

What can one even say? Even your use of the phrase "just a person" within those quotation marks seems somewhat superfluous to me, though I suspect that obsessing over every single word during a conversation could easily lead to madness.😵 Therefore, some level of compromise and tolerance is necessary for the sake of social conformity😬, allowing communication to flow steadily and gradually reveal the true intentions of the participants.

Respect for the topic.👍

Is there to be or not to be a person who belongs to no ideology at all?

Well, I know of at least one such individual.🙂

There exists just enough ism that doesn't truly belong to any single individual—it just sort of drifts there, doesn't it? 🙂

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Larry Moore83 said:There exists just enough ism that doesn't truly belong to any single individual—it just sort of drifts there, doesn't it? 🙂

I would have to disagree; I believe it does exist. It is simply found in the individual who refuses to be defined by any specific labels or ideologies, choosing instead to just live their life authentically.

Gerald Hill said:I would have to disagree; I believe it does exist. It is simply found in the individual who refuses to be defined by any specific labels or ideologies, choosing instead to just live their life authentically.

Do you really think it's all about identification?! 😁
It’s inherently tied to identity—take someone like Larry Moore83, for instance. You can't really function without some form of identification; it’s just how things work. A person can certainly define themselves through their career, I suppose, provided they stay within the established norms and boundaries. Otherwise, you end up with those professionally distorted types—people who seem to be musicians by calling rather than by actual profession. You know, the pop stars, the actors, and so on... 🤣

One simply needs to remain rational, and that should be enough. 🙂

Gerald Hill said:I would have to disagree; I believe it does exist. It is simply found in the individual who refuses to be defined by any specific labels or ideologies, choosing instead to just live their life authentically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
In American democracy, an idiot was essentially someone seen as being purely self-interested—focusing almost entirely on their own private business rather than participating in public life.[6] Back then, idiocy was viewed as a sort of baseline state of ignorance that everyone started with; becoming a true citizen was something achieved through formal education.[6] So, in American democracy, you were born an idiot, but you became a citizen through learning (though, of course, citizenship was often passed down through families too).

Regarding the idiots 🙄 trailer Quote

Gerald Hill said:I would have to disagree; I believe it does exist. It is simply found in the individual who refuses to be defined by any specific labels or ideologies, choosing instead to just live their life authentically.

No single "ideology" truly defines a person 😉... a person defines the ideology... again, I want to emphasize that I believe I understand the conflict, or perhaps the motivation behind searching for answers, but at a primal level, a person is simply what they desire... pure will. If someone chooses to limit themselves through ism and refuse the freedom that comes with being a true human being—and I might even go so far as to say absolute freedom—they would dare to err, to face limitations, and yet simultaneously strive to liberate themselves from everything that previously held them back. It's a process... development... learning... progress... learning from mistakes 👍 the reward being experience 👋

Society, however, models us through either affection or force from the moment we are born, depending on the culture and the era and things of that nature. It isn't particularly easy to become a person, let alone remain one for anyone else. Not to mention that it's an individual struggle every single time, and ultimately, a person defines themselves if they are indeed a person. If they are something else entirely, then there are plenty of excuses for those types 😬

Larry Moore83 said:Do you really think it's all about identification?! 😁
It’s inherently tied to identity—take someone like Larry Moore83, for instance. You can't really function without some form of identification; it’s just how things work. A person can certainly define themselves through their career, I suppose, provided they stay within the established norms and boundaries. Otherwise, you end up with those professionally distorted types—people who seem to be musicians by calling rather than by actual profession. You know, the pop stars, the actors, and so on... 🤣

One simply needs to remain rational, and that should be enough. 🙂

My point isn't about that specific type of identity; I am speaking about the act of identifying oneself through a label after a certain experience. For instance, saying "I am a fascist, an idealist, a surrealist, a Marxist, or a liberal," rather than simply stating, "I am a human being, and that is that." It is irrational to reduce oneself to such labels. While human reason is certainly important and we must strive to be rational, we must also acknowledge that the human mind is not omnipotent.

Lawrence Bailey77 said:Regarding the idiots 🙄 trailer Quote

No single "ideology" truly defines a person 😉... a person defines the ideology... again, I want to emphasize that I believe I understand the conflict, or perhaps the motivation behind searching for answers, but at a primal level, a person is simply what they desire... pure will. If someone chooses to limit themselves through ism and refuse the freedom that comes with being a true human being—and I might even go so far as to say absolute freedom—they would dare to err, to face limitations, and yet simultaneously strive to liberate themselves from everything that previously held them back. It's a process... development... learning... progress... learning from mistakes 👍 the reward being experience 👋

Society, however, models us through either affection or force from the moment we are born, depending on the culture and the era and things of that nature. It isn't particularly easy to become a person, let alone remain one for anyone else. Not to mention that it's an individual struggle every single time, and ultimately, a person defines themselves if they are indeed a person. If they are something else entirely, then there are plenty of excuses for those types 😬

That is certainly connected. However, regardless of which ideology you champion, nature remains indifferent to them all. Therefore, from a purely rational standpoint, embracing any particular excuse seems quite unnecessary.