Does faith in miracles make God?

People always credit God or divine grace for all these healings—both the real ones and the ones that might just be luck. Believers see these rare, unexplainable moments as a sign from above, a way to show we aren't alone... Even though I call myself a believer, I don't really go looking for miracles or buy into the hype, but hey, unexplained things happen, and eventually science catches up to what we can't wrap our heads around today. It makes you wonder, though—if someone hits the jackpot on a Powerball ticket, shouldn't we call that a miracle too? And if we did, would everyone just start betting their lives away thinking it's the cure for poverty? How long is it going to take us to actually figure out where we fit in this universe? Is it more important to push scientific boundaries, or focus on spiritual growth, or maybe find a way to do both at the exact same time...

rapidbear65 said:People always credit God or divine grace for all these healings—both the real ones and the ones that might just be luck. Believers see these rare, unexplainable moments as a sign from above, a way to show we aren't alone... Even though I call myself a believer, I don't really go looking for miracles or buy into the hype, but hey, unexplained things happen, and eventually science catches up to what we can't wrap our heads around today. It makes you wonder, though—if someone hits the jackpot on a Powerball ticket, shouldn't we call that a miracle too? And if we did, would everyone just start betting their lives away thinking it's the cure for poverty? How long is it going to take us to actually figure out where we fit in this universe? Is it more important to push scientific boundaries, or focus on spiritual growth, or maybe find a way to do both at the exact same time...

Or perhaps there's some sort of 'arrangement' happening between people?

It really depends on how you define a miracle. You could see it as something extraordinary when everyone is healthy, or perhaps it’s a miracle when people fall ill because health is usually the standard. It all comes down to the narrative you construct in your own mind. A miracle is entirely subjective—it's defined by the perspective of the person searching for one. Someone struggling financially who wins the Powerball might view it as a divine intervention. On the other hand, someone worth billions winning the lottery probably wouldn't see much magic in it; they’d likely just view it as a mathematical anomaly rather than a profound miracle. Similarly, if someone suffering from a chronic illness suddenly recovers, they see it as a massive miracle. Personally, I view recovery as a gift from God. To me, it feels like karma being lifted or simply being restored to a state of normalcy. When you look at the sheer number of people suffering from illness globally, you realize what a massive blessing a recovery truly is. Anyone who has dealt with sickness knows the feeling of being unable to function normally. I remember back when I was younger, I went through a period of intense pain. In those moments, nothing else mattered except getting better. Nothing had any meaning except finding relief. Once I finally recovered, thank God, I felt like a completely different person. I never want to go through that again; it truly felt like being born anew and being given a second chance at life.

Maria Robinson2 said:Or perhaps there's some sort of 'arrangement' happening between people?

you can bet on that...

electrictinker26 said:It really depends on how you define a miracle. You could see it as something extraordinary when everyone is healthy, or perhaps it’s a miracle when people fall ill because health is usually the standard. It all comes down to the narrative you construct in your own mind. A miracle is entirely subjective—it's defined by the perspective of the person searching for one. Someone struggling financially who wins the Powerball might view it as a divine intervention. On the other hand, someone worth billions winning the lottery probably wouldn't see much magic in it; they’d likely just view it as a mathematical anomaly rather than a profound miracle. Similarly, if someone suffering from a chronic illness suddenly recovers, they see it as a massive miracle. Personally, I view recovery as a gift from God. To me, it feels like karma being lifted or simply being restored to a state of normalcy. When you look at the sheer number of people suffering from illness globally, you realize what a massive blessing a recovery truly is. Anyone who has dealt with sickness knows the feeling of being unable to function normally. I remember back when I was younger, I went through a period of intense pain. In those moments, nothing else mattered except getting better. Nothing had any meaning except finding relief. Once I finally recovered, thank God, I felt like a completely different person. I never want to go through that again; it truly felt like being born anew and being given a second chance at life.

Personally, I don't think we even need to use the word "miracle," especially for believers. Your phrase, "God's grace," sounds much more beautiful. It’s like how a wealthy person winning the lottery feels just as much like a blessing as a recovery for someone who's healthy...

Maria Robinson2 said:Or perhaps there's some sort of 'arrangement' happening between people?

What kind of agreement are you implying? Are you suggesting that souls make a pact before they are even born—deciding exactly when to meet so that God's will can be carried out at that specific moment?

Look, as a person, you rarely encounter something this truly "miraculous" within your own family or even your immediate circle. It’s honestly hard to wrap your head around the idea that these kinds of miracles actually happen, but once you witness one with your own two eyes? Man, all that so-called "science" starts looking pretty ridiculous. All those endless ramblings and repetitive mantras about things they don't actually care about scientifically—not that they even understand half of what they're talking about—but hey, it’s important to them to keep their mouths moving just so they can pretend to be the smartest people in the room, right? And let's not forget that this whole version of "science" is totally subjective; depending on whoever is standing behind the podium, they’ll either hail these wonders as breakthroughs or spit on them in an instant...

Self-healing isn't any more bizarre than the idea of choosing to be sick, is it?
And honestly—I don’t quite grasp the whole concept of miracles at all. 😁

Lawrence Torres56 said:Look, as a person, you rarely encounter something this truly "miraculous" within your own family or even your immediate circle. It’s honestly hard to wrap your head around the idea that these kinds of miracles actually happen, but once you witness one with your own two eyes? Man, all that so-called "science" starts looking pretty ridiculous. All those endless ramblings and repetitive mantras about things they don't actually care about scientifically—not that they even understand half of what they're talking about—but hey, it’s important to them to keep their mouths moving just so they can pretend to be the smartest people in the room, right? And let's not forget that this whole version of "science" is totally subjective; depending on whoever is standing behind the podium, they’ll either hail these wonders as breakthroughs or spit on them in an instant...

I'm right there with you, colleague. These so-called scientists can spin the same event in a dozen different ways, sneaking their own biases into any part of the story that isn't fully explained yet. Like, take an atheist who suddenly recovers from a terminal illness—would they see it as a gift from God, only to die in a car accident shortly after? Was the healing meant to lead them to God's love before they passed, or was the sudden death some kind of punishment for a sin? Honestly, stuff like that just leaves me totally lost...

Larry Moore83 said:Self-healing isn't any more bizarre than the idea of choosing to be sick, is it?
And honestly—I don’t quite grasp the whole concept of miracles at all. 😁

Hey man, can someone break down what this "making yourself sick" thing actually means? Thanks!

rapidbear65 said:Hey man, can someone break down what this "making yourself sick" thing actually means? Thanks!

It's essentially the polar opposite of self-healing.
You're very welcome.

rapidbear65 said:I'm right there with you, colleague. These so-called scientists can spin the same event in a dozen different ways, sneaking their own biases into any part of the story that isn't fully explained yet. Like, take an atheist who suddenly recovers from a terminal illness—would they see it as a gift from God, only to die in a car accident shortly after? Was the healing meant to lead them to God's love before they passed, or was the sudden death some kind of punishment for a sin? Honestly, stuff like that just leaves me totally lost...

Personally, I don't think whether someone is an atheist or a believer even matters in these scenarios, you know? And I definitely wouldn't call death a "punishment" for sin, because really, who gets to define what sin is anyway? Do murderers, rapists, or thieves all drop dead young, or do they live to be old and gray? Do believers actually live longer than atheists? I wouldn't bet on it.😉
Looking at people who experience these kinds of moments, I almost get the impression they've been handed a second chance to finish whatever it is they started—or maybe failed to start—and now they really need to see things through to the end.🤷

rapidbear65 said:I'm right there with you, colleague. These so-called scientists can spin the same event in a dozen different ways, sneaking their own biases into any part of the story that isn't fully explained yet. Like, take an atheist who suddenly recovers from a terminal illness—would they see it as a gift from God, only to die in a car accident shortly after? Was the healing meant to lead them to God's love before they passed, or was the sudden death some kind of punishment for a sin? Honestly, stuff like that just leaves me totally lost...

But why does everything have to make sense, anyway?😬 That’s kind of where these whole ideas about miracles come from, I guess—it's just that deep-seated human urge to find a reason for everything, to believe there's some grand design behind it all.
And what if he just got healed and then died... without any special reason at all?🤷

A lot of people find that idea pretty hard to swallow, but lately, I'm starting to feel like that might be exactly how it works.🤷

Larry Moore83 said:It's essentially the polar opposite of self-healing.
You're very welcome.

Thanks for the deep dive, man!

gentlesailor25 said:But why does everything have to make sense, anyway?😬 That’s kind of where these whole ideas about miracles come from, I guess—it's just that deep-seated human urge to find a reason for everything, to believe there's some grand design behind it all.
And what if he just got healed and then died... without any special reason at all?🤷

A lot of people find that idea pretty hard to swallow, but lately, I'm starting to feel like that might be exactly how it works.🤷

Exactly! I'd say that rush and impatience is really just a craving for absolute certainty that we probably can't even reach... Miracles interest me because my theist buddies are always hunting for them as "proof" of God, but if they want to see actual magic, they should just look at the wonder of being human or the sheer magic of the universe. It's all so incredibly complex, with so many tiny, delicate details making these systems alive and meaningful. Those rare, unexplainable things in nature are actually just... natural...

This isn't some divine miracle; these are wonders crafted directly by the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

And as for you unbelievers, you’ll find yourselves burning in a hell devoid of spaghetti and meatballs. Though, who can say? Perhaps Jesus will descend and you can turn Him into a pasta sauce... I mean, isn't that what you're already doing at every Mass anyway?

Ryan Wilson2 said:This isn't some divine miracle; these are wonders crafted directly by the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

And as for you unbelievers, you’ll find yourselves burning in a hell devoid of spaghetti and meatballs. Though, who can say? Perhaps Jesus will descend and you can turn Him into a pasta sauce... I mean, isn't that what you're already doing at every Mass anyway?

So you actually believe in miracles!!! Man, I don't, and honestly, it's weighing on me. You swapped Jesus for Christ 🤔, and he's what feeds everything. Pure intellect-driven energy. What do you think?...

rapidbear65 said:People always credit God or divine grace for all these healings—both the real ones and the ones that might just be luck. Believers see these rare, unexplainable moments as a sign from above, a way to show we aren't alone... Even though I call myself a believer, I don't really go looking for miracles or buy into the hype, but hey, unexplained things happen, and eventually science catches up to what we can't wrap our heads around today. It makes you wonder, though—if someone hits the jackpot on a Powerball ticket, shouldn't we call that a miracle too? And if we did, would everyone just start betting their lives away thinking it's the cure for poverty? How long is it going to take us to actually figure out where we fit in this universe? Is it more important to push scientific boundaries, or focus on spiritual growth, or maybe find a way to do both at the exact same time...

They gotta run side by side, in total harmony.

hollowpuma762 said:They gotta run side by side, in total harmony.

Now, biology tells us pretty clearly that once someone passes away, that’s it—game over, no coming back. But if you look back about 2,000 years, there was this one guy who actually came back to life. And it wasn't just him, either; you've got Lazarus and so many others who were basically brought back by the sheer joy of witnessing that first miracle.

Where's the "harmony" in all that? We build our whole sense of spirituality on the idea that miracles are totally possible, yet science sits there insisting they aren't. It feels like a massive contradiction to me.

silentviper19 said:Now, biology tells us pretty clearly that once someone passes away, that’s it—game over, no coming back. But if you look back about 2,000 years, there was this one guy who actually came back to life. And it wasn't just him, either; you've got Lazarus and so many others who were basically brought back by the sheer joy of witnessing that first miracle.

Where's the "harmony" in all that? We build our whole sense of spirituality on the idea that miracles are totally possible, yet science sits there insisting they aren't. It feels like a massive contradiction to me.

You just don't get modern science or spirituality... Biology says the energy we use to live eventually flows back into nature to fuel more life... I think physics says the same thing too...