Does faith in miracles make God?

rapidbear65 said:People always credit God or divine grace for all these healings—both the real ones and the ones that might just be luck. Believers see these rare, unexplainable moments as a sign from above, a way to show we aren't alone... Even though I call myself a believer, I don't really go looking for miracles or buy into the hype, but hey, unexplained things happen, and eventually science catches up to what we can't wrap our heads around today. It makes you wonder, though—if someone hits the jackpot on a Powerball ticket, shouldn't we call that a miracle too? And if we did, would everyone just start betting their lives away thinking it's the cure for poverty? How long is it going to take us to actually figure out where we fit in this universe? Is it more important to push scientific boundaries, or focus on spiritual growth, or maybe find a way to do both at the exact same time...

So, here’s the million-dollar question: Is it actually worth the mental gymnastics to dig deep, research, and try to wrap your head around how things work, or should we all just throw our hands up, embrace being clueless, and label everything "supernatural" just to get some peace and quiet? I mean, honestly, look at how much energy people waste. I was reading this thing the other day—don't ask me which one, my browser tabs look like a digital junkyard—and it got me thinking about how much easier life would be if we just collectively decided to stop asking "why." Just shrug, call it magic, and go grab a burger. Done. Problem solved, right? But then there's that other side. That itch in your brain that won't shut up until you figure out the mechanics of the universe. It’s exhausting, sure. It’s like trying to fix a leaky faucet when you don't even know what a wrench looks like. But there's something almost primal about wanting to peel back the curtain. Is ignorance bliss, or is it just lazy? Personally, I think calling everything "mystical" is the ultimate cop-out. It's the intellectual equivalent of hitting a wall and deciding the wall is actually an invisible ghost so you don't have to admit you walked into it. We could be out here solving the big stuff, but instead, we settle for "it's just a miracle." Give me a break. I'm torn, though. Part of me wants to dive into the rabbit hole, and the other part of me just wants to sit on my porch with a cold beer and not care about the fabric of reality for five minutes. What do you guys think? Are we investigators or are we just comfortably blind?

Are you actually asking me that? I’m only asking because your post is a total mess—it's hard to follow what you're even getting at. Honestly, both ways you wrote it make sense, and the grammar isn't even broken, but it's just... unclear. Like, pick a lane, man.

Look, my take on this is pretty straightforward: science is exactly what’s driving us forward as a species. It's the engine behind almost everything we consider "progress." If you’re more interested in clinging to those other outdated theories, then honestly, go ahead—just head straight back to the dark ages. Go live in that ignorant, pre-scientific era where people thought lightning was a divine curse instead of physics. You can't argue with actual advancement. 🤷

rapidbear65 said:You just don't get modern science or spirituality... Biology says the energy we use to live eventually flows back into nature to fuel more life... I think physics says the same thing too...

You and him are basically speaking two different languages at this point. He’s over there obsessing about the resurrection of the physical body—honestly, I have no clue where he even gets the idea that spirituality is supposed to be rooted in something so material—while you’re actually making sense by talking about the law of conservation of energy. It's like night and day.

silentviper19 said:Now, biology tells us pretty clearly that once someone passes away, that’s it—game over, no coming back. But if you look back about 2,000 years, there was this one guy who actually came back to life. And it wasn't just him, either; you've got Lazarus and so many others who were basically brought back by the sheer joy of witnessing that first miracle.

Where's the "harmony" in all that? We build our whole sense of spirituality on the idea that miracles are totally possible, yet science sits there insisting they aren't. It feels like a massive contradiction to me.

rapidbear65 said:People always credit God or divine grace for all these healings—both the real ones and the ones that might just be luck. Believers see these rare, unexplainable moments as a sign from above, a way to show we aren't alone... Even though I call myself a believer, I don't really go looking for miracles or buy into the hype, but hey, unexplained things happen, and eventually science catches up to what we can't wrap our heads around today. It makes you wonder, though—if someone hits the jackpot on a Powerball ticket, shouldn't we call that a miracle too? And if we did, would everyone just start betting their lives away thinking it's the cure for poverty? How long is it going to take us to actually figure out where we fit in this universe? Is it more important to push scientific boundaries, or focus on spiritual growth, or maybe find a way to do both at the exact same time...

darkraven said:So, here’s the million-dollar question: Is it actually worth the mental gymnastics to dig deep, research, and try to wrap your head around how things work, or should we all just throw our hands up, embrace being clueless, and label everything "supernatural" just to get some peace and quiet? I mean, honestly, look at how much energy people waste. I was reading this thing the other day—don't ask me which one, my browser tabs look like a digital junkyard—and it got me thinking about how much easier life would be if we just collectively decided to stop asking "why." Just shrug, call it magic, and go grab a burger. Done. Problem solved, right? But then there's that other side. That itch in your brain that won't shut up until you figure out the mechanics of the universe. It’s exhausting, sure. It’s like trying to fix a leaky faucet when you don't even know what a wrench looks like. But there's something almost primal about wanting to peel back the curtain. Is ignorance bliss, or is it just lazy? Personally, I think calling everything "mystical" is the ultimate cop-out. It's the intellectual equivalent of hitting a wall and deciding the wall is actually an invisible ghost so you don't have to admit you walked into it. We could be out here solving the big stuff, but instead, we settle for "it's just a miracle." Give me a break. I'm torn, though. Part of me wants to dive into the rabbit hole, and the other part of me just wants to sit on my porch with a cold beer and not care about the fabric of reality for five minutes. What do you guys think? Are we investigators or are we just comfortably blind?

Are you actually asking me that? I’m only asking because your post is a total mess—it's hard to follow what you're even getting at. Honestly, both ways you wrote it make sense, and the grammar isn't even broken, but it's just... unclear. Like, pick a lane, man.

Look, my take on this is pretty straightforward: science is exactly what’s driving us forward as a species. It's the engine behind almost everything we consider "progress." If you’re more interested in clinging to those other outdated theories, then honestly, go ahead—just head straight back to the dark ages. Go live in that ignorant, pre-scientific era where people thought lightning was a divine curse instead of physics. You can't argue with actual advancement. 🤷

You and him are basically speaking two different languages at this point. He’s over there obsessing about the resurrection of the physical body—honestly, I have no clue where he even gets the idea that spirituality is supposed to be rooted in something so material—while you’re actually making sense by talking about the law of conservation of energy. It's like night and day.

John Baker said:I'd say as long as people exist, this debate will too.
The issue with understanding our place in the cosmos lies with how we choose to view it. Those stuck in a purely rational, scientific mindset struggle, while those leaning into spirituality simply accept the explanations their faith provides. 🤷

If science and spirituality ever truly merged—if we reached a point where every spiritual phenomenon could be explained by a lab report—I think God would effectively cease to exist. But I doubt that’ll ever happen. No matter how much intellectual enlightenment we achieve, the belief in God remains constant.

rapidbear65 said:Thanks for the deep dive, man!

rapidbear65 said:Does that mean science is still in its infancy and lagging way behind spirituality? Personally, I feel like once science really levels up, we might actually be able to grasp the divine. Not trying to claim I know everything though...

Is scientific progress more important, or spiritual elevation, or perhaps both happening in parallel.....

electrictinker26 said:What kind of agreement are you implying? Are you suggesting that souls make a pact before they are even born—deciding exactly when to meet so that God's will can be carried out at that specific moment?

Maria Robinson2 said:I wasn't referring to dead souls—more like living ones. You know, those people who take action during their lifetime, making deals among themselves before stepping onto the stage for their scheduled 'presentation,' just like that link implies.
Does that seem strange to you? I suppose it shouldn't. It’s really just about profiting off the superstitious.

Benjamin Taylor6 said:Self-inflicted illness is basically when some street psychic tells you that you’re going to drop dead just because you didn't give them $3.25. And then—believe it or not—you actually get sick because you swallowed that nonsense whole. Then, a buddy of yours shows up at your hospital bedside with some shaman who spends half an hour banging on a drum and lighting incense. He also hands you a check to donate to the Red Cross $33. You pay it, and suddenly, you're cured.

New book: http://www.healthycow.com/readingroom/321/you-are-the-placebo

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Dr. Dispenza points to numerous examples from his workshop participants who used the power of their minds to overcome cancer, heart disease, arthritis, depression, Parkinson’s, thyroid issues, MS, and more. Drawing from the latest research in quantum physics, neurology, psychology, biology, and hypnosis, Dr. Dispenza has developed a transformation model designed to help us trigger that placebo effect—the very thing his patients believed in, resulting in miraculous recoveries that are backed by actual science.

The book also includes instructions regarding ..........

It isn't in its infancy, it just has a massive amount of work left to do:
http://www.americanforum.com/showpost.php?p=4...&postcount=114

Is scientific progress more important, or spiritual elevation, or perhaps both happening in parallel.....

Scientific progress is a profession!

Spiritual elevation is a hobby.

😁

Larry Moore83 said:It’s honestly quite baffling—how does it work that my body just decides to break down on its own, yet somehow refuses to fix itself? It’s like I’m stuck in this endless loop of wear and tear, despite all the sunshine and good intentions!
🙂
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rapidbear65 said:there's no such thing as a ghost, especially after the body's gone

Maria Robinson2 said:Once a living soul dies, it's just gone.

As for people fantasizing about becoming angels after they pass... I guess you should ask them why they're so desperate to play God—if not now, then eventually.

rapidbear65 said:The soul just wants to break free from the body and all those material needs. I don't really buy into death either, because once that whole complex system of living particles stops working together, they just keep going on their own, forming new kinds of life... where do you even get the proof for that? And what about that old idea—that every soul becomes one with God once it reaches heaven?

rapidbear65 said:just working on some spiritual healing for the body🥱

Maria Robinson2 said:Well, you can find endless variations of that thought—it’s always the same old "let's all become gods" routine, I guess.

"belief in miracles makes gods"

Larry Moore83 said:Right... typical... me doing all the work, while the team just waits to be "elevated." 🤦

rapidbear65 said:Everything has an origin, a flow that moves out and eventually circles right back to where it started...

Maria Robinson2 said:What kind of "origins" are we even talking about here?

You really need to provide an example (not just some vague template). For instance, regarding spiritual matters—these days, I’m being targeted by jealousy from two rather obnoxious "characters." One insists my account isn't a troll but a clone, while the other refuses to acknowledge someone is female, despite them clearly being a woman in a tie (if you catch my drift). So, how would you explain where these two actually crawled out from—so they might return to their "source" and leave me alone? Any advice? Don't worry, they'll show up to read this eventually; they follow my every move like rabid dogs. There's no reason to fear them, since I certainly don't.

rapidbear65 said:The most obvious thing, day, year... if those two ever show up in your name, I'll make sure they get a taste of their own medicine...