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rowdypilot19 rowdypilot19 Active Member
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#1201 ·
neondriver5 said:Man, people are such hypocrites. They whine about a few minor issues, yet let themselves get screwed over whenever it suits the system.
And the expats are a special breed. Everything is perfect compared to back home, and then the big shot writes, "Account maintenance is $10 a month."
They can't even figure out online banking, at least not the kind offered by the major banks I know personally here in the States. Maybe the poster was thinking of some Eastern European country; I have no idea what the situation is like there.
From what I know, that $10 fee is probably just a daily rate over there.

Does everyone in the US "have" to have an account at a commercial bank? If you want to receive money in any civilized manner, we can agree that you effectively "must." A basic checking account, without any extras—and depending on the bank, maybe even without a debit card—will cost anywhere from $0.00 in monthly fees upwards.
Let me correct myself: nobody is forcing you at gunpoint to keep your money in a bank. If you don't like it, keep it under your mattress; nobody's going to ask you for a receipt there. Academics.

Yeah, that’s basically the absolute floor for hourly pay. ☕

But honestly, it doesn't really matter how much the corporate drones are getting paid anyway.
Arthur Long5 Arthur Long5 Member
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joined Feb 2020
#1202 ·
Richard Lewis16, that’s just deceptive behavior.
Chime isn't offering non-resident accounts to Americans living in the States, even though under European Union regulations, such a service should be considered standard practice and there is no logical reason for a rejection.
Yet, they simply aren't accepting Americans at this time.
I am well aware that there are always workarounds available, but in this specific instance, I have no interest in such dishonest tactics...
neondriver5 neondriver5 Active Member
116 messages
joined May 2017
#1203 ·
Steven Rivera76 said:Fortunately, clearing old debt is usually straightforward because the banks people move to often offer ways out (overdrafts, consolidation loans, etc.). Honestly, that 🤣 idea of yours is just
.

Exactly. When you move from one institution to another, the new bank essentially inherits your debt by default; they don't even bother scrutinizing your creditworthiness or how tidy your finances are at first.

On top of that, every bank plays by its own set of rules. As I mentioned, some might offer an overdraft up to 300% of your net pay, while others cap it at 300% of whatever hits your checking account (usually those types already have several automated loan payments being deducted directly from their direct deposits). Some banks will factor every single debt visible on your credit report into your allowed overdraft limit... It’s entirely possible that this new bank will end up covering everything for our disgruntled friend here, and as a little bonus, they won't even ask for a single receipt, a credit score, or proof of marital status. After all, a client like this is too good to pass up.
Steven Rivera76 Steven Rivera76 Member
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joined Sep 2010
#1204 ·
neondriver5 said:Exactly. When you move from one institution to another, the new bank essentially inherits your debt by default; they don't even bother scrutinizing your creditworthiness or how tidy your finances are at first.

On top of that, every bank plays by its own set of rules. As I mentioned, some might offer an overdraft up to 300% of your net pay, while others cap it at 300% of whatever hits your checking account (usually those types already have several automated loan payments being deducted directly from their direct deposits). Some banks will factor every single debt visible on your credit report into your allowed overdraft limit... It’s entirely possible that this new bank will end up covering everything for our disgruntled friend here, and as a little bonus, they won't even ask for a single receipt, a credit score, or proof of marital status. After all, a client like this is too good to pass up.


No, it isn't automatic by default, but it's certainly possible.
As for the rest of your whining—what does any of that have to do with asking for tax returns or customer dissatisfaction? And what exactly makes him a "dream client"?
Laura Chavez93 Laura Chavez93 Regular
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joined Dec 2015
#1205 ·
The ideal client is one who generates high transaction volumes through the bank—driving commission revenue and overall utility... ideally, they carry several loans (preferably long-term ones), utilize a full suite of service packages, and maintain their business accounts within the same institution ☕
then there are those who simply deposit a paycheck and expect total privacy—refusing to disclose basic details like education level, marital status, or the number of children in their household
such individuals are hardly desirable; frankly, this provides a perfect opportunity to phase them out... though I struggle to understand why, if someone refuses to answer these inquiries, the bank would freeze an account when all they want is access to their own funds
why doesn't the bank just settle the balance and close the accounts entirely? 🤷
James Rogers53 James Rogers53 Active Member
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joined Jul 2010
#1206 ·
it’s basically just leverage—they slap you with a massive fine if you don't hand over the data, which gives them all the motivation they need to get it 😁 Once that's done, feel free to fly off to a different flock 🙂
Lawrence Wright80 Lawrence Wright80 Member
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joined Mar 2015
#1207 ·
I have no idea how Zábank managed to close my account without ever asking for those infamous details in the first place.

My account was frozen, so I told them I wanted to shut it down and withdraw my funds. The teller's only question was why I was closing it... because I didn't need it anymore, and that was that.

Ten minutes later, I walked into Chase, opened a new account, and nobody bothered me with any stupid questions.
Jessica Nelson4 Jessica Nelson4 Member
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joined May 2017
#1208 ·
I’ve honestly never run into any issues with online banking at Chase, whether I’m managing my personal accounts or my business ones. If anything, the only thing that really bugs me is when I’m sending a few thousand dollars to someone from my business account and have to manually add them to my approved payees list; otherwise, I could probably transfer millions without a second thought, and the bank wouldn't care one bit 😬
Steven Rivera76 Steven Rivera76 Member
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joined Sep 2010
#1209 ·
James Rogers53 said:it’s basically just leverage—they slap you with a massive fine if you don't hand over the data, which gives them all the motivation they need to get it 😁 Once that's done, feel free to fly off to a different flock 🙂


James Rogers53, what kind of fine are we talking about if they don't know how many kids I have?

The law clearly outlines exactly what data a bank is required to collect and under what specific circumstances. What Zábank is doing right now is overstepping those bounds.

On another note, regarding "preferred clients," my impression is that banks actually prefer the very people being mocked here—I mean, who could be a better customer than someone drowning in debt, paying outrageous interest rates every single month? :/
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
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joined Oct 2011
#1210 ·
James Rogers53 As I was saying:
To me, it feels like a classic case of that immigrant mindset—the one where people insist everything is perfect abroad, only to start complaining the second they run into a single real problem. It’s always "everything is better over there," until reality hits, and then suddenly the narrative shifts.
Everything I’ve laid out is exactly how it stands. I’ll be the first to admit that I am a demanding client—I have high standards and I expect them to be met—but honestly, I can't find much to complain about. Their service package actually ends up saving me money in the long run. It’s a fair trade, really; they seem perfectly happy to have me because I always settle my debts on schedule. In fact, I don't view my relationship with the bank as some sort of burden or adversary; I see them as a genuinely useful tool in my financial life. 😲

What most people fail to grasp is that banks are fundamentally private corporations. At the end of the day, their primary objective isn't some noble civic duty or public service; they exist to generate profit for their shareholders, much like your local corner grocery store or a neighborhood bodega. It’s a business, plain and simple.
People will only realize one thing eventually: they’re going to end up working much harder for much less money, just like bluecyclist64 here. It’s a predictable cycle. You have these types who act incredibly aggressive over a few extra bucks or start making a massive fuss about whether or not they qualify as a US tax resident. Yet, come payday, they practically roll up their sleeves and hand over half their paycheck to the government, followed by another 25% throughout the month, all with a polite smile on their faces. Then, they’ll sit there with this air of quiet martyrdom, waiting six months just to get an appointment at a local clinic, while simultaneously acting proud of sending their kids to schools that lack basic computer labs or decent facilities. But don't let that patience fool you—the moment they step up to a teller at a Chase branch, they’ll snap and start berating the clerk, simply because they feel they can get away with it since she's "just" a service worker. 😁

What you’re failing to grasp here is that the bank acted with total disregard for the client. Just because you haven't run into any issues up to this point doesn't mean you're somehow immune to it happening to you. In my experience, complacency is exactly how people get blindsided by these institutions.
By all means, go ahead and play the saint. Be kind, be accommodating, and act like the bigger person. If that’s your strategy, you'll probably find your problems solved in due course—though we both know how much that usually costs in terms of self-respect.

rowdypilot19 said:Honestly, your package actually looks like a really great deal to me. I’ve never even been offered anything like it before, so I guess that’s why I said that UK offer caught me totally off guard.

But, you know, a business account isn't exactly the same thing as a personal one.

And look, I’m definitely nothing like what bluecyclist64 is thinking—actually, I think I'm probably the exact opposite.

At the end of the day, banks provide a service that I need, and they probably need me as a client too, so it's just... that's just how it works. As long as they stay affordable and helpful, I don't see any reason to go hunting for another bank, or maybe even a third one, because these guys are different. 😁

Why bother obsessing over my trivialities?

If there is anything regarding my background or my perspective that seems unclear, please don't hesitate to ask. I am more than willing to provide clarification.
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
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joined Feb 2018
#1211 ·
Lawrence Wright80 said:I have no idea how Zábank managed to close my account without ever asking for those infamous details in the first place.

My account was frozen, so I told them I wanted to shut it down and withdraw my funds. The teller's only question was why I was closing it... because I didn't need it anymore, and that was that.

Ten minutes later, I walked into Chase, opened a new account, and nobody bothered me with any stupid questions.

I mean, Chase basically got hit with a massive fine because they apparently don't even know how many kids you have 😁

-briskjackal5
Laura Chavez93 Laura Chavez93 Regular
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joined Dec 2015
#1212 ·
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Steven Rivera76 As stated by:
Actually, regarding the ideal client profile, my impression is that banks much prefer the very people being mocked here... Where could you possibly find a better client than one sitting in a massive deficit—someone dutifully paying those outrageous interest rates every single month because of it...
Those are exactly the kind of clients every major bank would be desperate to land... 🙂 It seems the banks realized that once they were caught in that Swiss Franc mess, they could essentially do whatever they pleased without much consequence...
It seems they have gone so far as to devise their own survey questionnaire—one that bears almost no actual relation to the anti-terrorism and anti-money laundering laws they so incessantly cite...
It seems they truly believe they can continue to torment this misguided nation...
wiredlynx28 wiredlynx28 Active Member
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#1213 ·
briskjackal5 said:I mean, Chase basically got hit with a massive fine because they apparently don't even know how many kids you have 😁

-briskjackal5

That’s because those specific metrics are what that particular bank tracks—it doesn't mean every other institution operates the same way.
It's like how one bank might limit your overdraft to a single paycheck, while another might let you go three or five times depending on their own internal math.👍
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
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#1214 ·
wiredlynx28 said:That’s because those specific metrics are what that particular bank tracks—it doesn't mean every other institution operates the same way.
It's like how one bank might limit your overdraft to a single paycheck, while another might let you go three or five times depending on their own internal math.👍

I don't think any bank out there has ever actually been fined just because they didn't know how many kids you have. I guess that's just not how it works.

-briskjackal5
wiredlynx28 wiredlynx28 Active Member
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joined Mar 2014
#1215 ·
Not necessarily, but if a bank like Chase considers a specific piece of information a "must-have," they simply won't open an account or maintain a relationship with a client who refuses to provide it. They'll just close or freeze accounts—either because the government mandates it or because it's just their own internal policy.
The truth is, they ask for these details to get a better profile of the client and to beef up their relationship through tailored product offerings. For example, if someone has children, it’s reasonable to assume they’ll need more liquidity, so banks might offer pre-approved higher credit limits or other services based on those specific life stages and financial capacity. Otherwise, quite frankly, the bank couldn't care less how many kids someone has.
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
249 messages
joined Feb 2018
#1216 ·
wiredlynx28 said:Not necessarily, but if a bank like Chase considers a specific piece of information a "must-have," they simply won't open an account or maintain a relationship with a client who refuses to provide it. They'll just close or freeze accounts—either because the government mandates it or because it's just their own internal policy.
The truth is, they ask for these details to get a better profile of the client and to beef up their relationship through tailored product offerings. For example, if someone has children, it’s reasonable to assume they’ll need more liquidity, so banks might offer pre-approved higher credit limits or other services based on those specific life stages and financial capacity. Otherwise, quite frankly, the bank couldn't care less how many kids someone has.

See?

but if a bank like Chase decides that info is a total must-have, then they just won't open an account or work with a client who refuses to share it—so they end up closing or freezing accounts. I mean, if the government mandates it, fine, but if it’s just their own internal policies, that's on them.

I don't think anyone actually had their account shut down just because they wouldn't say how many kids they have.

Also, they're totally free to go public with those policies if they wanted to. But, you know... that doesn't really happen... 😁

That would be nothing but bad PR for them.

There’s probably a reason you aren't even naming them here.

They ask for that stuff to get a better feel for the customer and to improve the relationship by tailoring product offers.

Sure, right.

Because, like, if someone has kids, you'd expect they might need more funds, so some banks offer pre-approved larger loans or whatever, depending on their business model and the client's extra data. Otherwise, the bank honestly couldn't care less about how many kids someone has.

Exactly.

-Stipe
Richard Lewis16 Richard Lewis16 Active Member
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joined Sep 2009
#1217 ·
Just taking it easy... I saw this video on Meta about some guy who had his account frozen, and honestly, you just know how it goes. People are going to start circling like sharks, then it hits the news cycle, followed by a few snarky comments and maybe four or five hit pieces in the papers naming names... and that’s pretty much how the whole thing plays out
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
249 messages
joined Feb 2018
#1218 ·
Look, the bank really doesn't care about closing your account just because they found out who you're sleeping with.
I mean, they’re still making money off you regardless of what's happening in your private life.

Sure, they’d love to know even more—they probably want every little detail—and I guess that’s why they push those tellers at the branch to dig for info (kind of like how they pressure them to upsell services or "products" to customers), but if they actually shut down your account, then suddenly that profit drops from something to zero.
In an ideal world for them, they'd know everything about everyone and create this vibe where you "have" to share, but honestly, being that nosy would probably backfire big time and lead to a massive PR nightmare.

Anyway, they don't have any obligation to care about anything other than maybe those few questions regarding the USA and politics.
They don't owe you anything else.

-briskjackal5
wiredlynx28 wiredlynx28 Active Member
151 messages
joined Mar 2014
#1219 ·
Look, if you guys aren't happy with the terms at your current bank—just like wiredlynx28 mentioned—there are plenty of other banks out there.
briskjackal5 briskjackal5 Active Member
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joined Feb 2018
#1220 ·
Hey, could you tell the group which specific bank actually includes questions about where or with whom you sleep in their "terms and conditions"?
Just so we're all in the loop.
And also, which one is planning to just shut down accounts for anyone they don't have that info on?

You still haven't really specified which ones you mean. And honestly, I don't think it's just those banks alone. 😁

-briskjackal5

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