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Dennis Fisher5 Dennis Fisher5 Member
20 messages
joined Jan 2018
#121 ·
I really feel like there should be a serious push to ensure we can receive our pension checks in cash, just so we have the option to bypass the big banks entirely whenever we want. It would offer such a sense of financial independence, but unfortunately, it looks like that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
Laura Chavez93 Laura Chavez93 Regular
285 messages
joined Dec 2015
#122 ·
lonehound14 said:Stuff like this gets handled by talking to the representative, not by slamming the phone down. You just made things harder for yourself.

Why make things more complicated than they need to be? All I wanted was something in writing—something official—that I could forward to the FTC so they could tell the bank that these kinds of demands simply aren't permissible...
Besides, I’ve had quite enough of Laura Chavez93... 😠 Every single time I step foot inside a bank, they try to push some unnecessary loan, a new certificate of deposit, service packages, online banking—it’s just endless nonsense... I only visit a branch when absolutely necessary, and even then, I make sure to avoid my own local branch if I can help it. 🙄
Michael Morgan5 Michael Morgan5 Active Member
141 messages
joined Dec 2015
#123 ·
Most people I know have already written them off.
They’re going to have to seriously rethink their strategy if they ever hope to fill those empty seats.
As far as I'm concerned, they didn't even bother calling me back after the first round.
Laura Chavez93 Laura Chavez93 Regular
285 messages
joined Dec 2015
#124 ·
Here is the explanation provided:
Personal data in this Questionnaire is collected and processed based on your consent—and so that JPMorgan Chase (the Bank) can fulfill its
obligations to the relevant authorities... as well as to protect the Bank's legitimate interests regarding compliance with those authorities' requirements. This includes, but is not
limited to, determining whether you are a tax resident of the United States of America (USA), which would necessitate monitoring your
accounts held at the Bank and notifying the appropriate agencies to ensure compliance with US tax regulations—as well as, if you are an American citizen,
determining if you qualify as a politically exposed person under this Questionnaire, and whether there is an increased risk that you might use your business
relationship with the Bank as a bank used for money laundering and terrorism financing.

A few questions:
1. Which specific authorities require this information, and why can't these agencies simply complete the forms themselves, given they already possess all the data?
2. If the US government determines someone is a US tax resident, why doesn't the US Embassy just provide that data directly to banks (or the IRS) to clarify who is and isn't a taxpayer?
3. Are politically active individuals being discriminated against compared to those who are not?
4. On what basis does the bank assume I am using my relationship with the bank as a bank used for money laundering and terrorism financing—requiring me to fill out this survey just to prove I am not?
edit:

Since personal data in this questionnaire is collected and processed based on my consent, if I choose not to consent to the collection of this data at all (let alone its processing—not that it should be processed in the first place, or for what purpose),
why is the bank insisting that I complete this, and furthermore, sign it?
Alexander Thompson Alexander Thompson Active Member
185 messages
joined Apr 2018
#125 ·
I caught a glimpse of that Zabin questionnaire, and honestly, what a total mess... It’s an English-language form that users are expected to fill out and sign 😵... Back home in the States 😵, I keep my accounts at other banks, and they’ve never sent me anything remotely like this 🤔

Isn't this just more of Zabin's usual nonsense—kind of like that whole headache when they were making everyone open special foreign currency accounts just to receive wire transfers from abroad?
darkmaker94 darkmaker94 Regular
417 messages
joined Aug 2011
#126 ·
It’s kind of weird to me that only JPMorgan Chase is pushing this questionnaire. If it's actually mandatory, why aren't the other banks asking for it?
Laura Chavez93 Laura Chavez93 Regular
285 messages
joined Dec 2015
#127 ·
It’s obvious the Americans are calling the shots here—likely just another way to push their debts onto the rest of the world. If this directive had originated from the Citigroup headquarters, the questions would be being asked in Italian instead... though I've provided the English translation right below so any American who doesn't speak the local language can follow along without issue.
What strikes me as truly incredible, however, is how much leverage the U.S. maintains—possessing enough influence to force such a survey through both a foreign bank and a sovereign state without anyone raising a single objection. 🙄
edit: here is another article 🤦
Jerry Williams53 Jerry Williams53 Active Member
53 messages
joined Mar 2017
#128 ·
Melissa Phillips4 said:Not sure if anyone else is dealing with this nonsense. My mom is retired and keeps her account at JPMorgan Chase. All she gets is her pension, nothing else.
Then out of nowhere, she gets word from the bank about some agreement between the USA and America, and apparently, she’s supposed to show up in person to hand over details regarding her account.
Honestly, it seems pretty ridiculous to me. Why should she bother providing data when she isn't even working? Besides, she has zero interest in wasting half a day or shelling out money for gas and parking just to give them information they should already have.

If I were her... I'd just wait for Marinic to drive me to the nearest branch for an interview, then head straight back home.
Cheapest way to do it...
Jerry Williams53 Jerry Williams53 Active Member
53 messages
joined Mar 2017
#129 ·
Michael Morgan5 said:Most people I know have already written them off.
They’re going to have to seriously rethink their strategy if they ever hope to fill those empty seats.
As far as I'm concerned, they didn't even bother calling me back after the first round.

They can try calling me... whoever called before, I don't think it's happening again... maybe they'll find some other sucker...

Just waiting for SWAT to break down my door and hold a gun to my head just to make me finish this survey... 😁
Laura Chavez93 Laura Chavez93 Regular
285 messages
joined Dec 2015
#130 ·
Moving forward...
edit: I’ve submitted an inquiry to the FEC to see if they actually require me to complete that survey—we shall see how that unfolds...
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
369 messages
joined Oct 2011
#131 ·
Laura Chavez93 said:For about a month now, I’ve been getting calls from my bank 😠 first from this "personal banker"—someone I didn't even realize was assigned to my account 🤷—and then, a week later, her manager... they're insisting I come into a branch to fill out a ten-page form 😕 and sign it... apparently, it's all part of these anti-money laundering regulations 🙄
When I inquired about which specific details they needed—hoping to perhaps settle this over the phone—she told me I had to visit in person, unless she emailed the form to me, in which case they would send someone to my house to pick it up once it's completed 🤦

I made the same point—that if they truly need this data, they could simply cross-reference it with the local municipality, the IRS, or whoever else might have it. But she was adamant; I have to show up. I explained that my schedule doesn't permit it, given my workload, so she suggested I call ahead to schedule an appointment... since I supposedly have her direct number😵
In any case, after a week of silence, they called again just yesterday at 1:00 PM—well after standard banking hours—and it was my personal banker once more 🙂. I actually asked her if I might request that she stop calling, and if there were any official notices, she could just send them via USPS, and then I hung up.
So, where does this leave me? Can they actually shut down my account if I refuse to comply with this paperwork?

Honestly, they can shove it; they aren't going to close your account.

A few years back, Exxon was giving me a hard time about providing some tax ID paperwork, so I just told them where to stick it.
The bills arrive on time regardless, so you don't need to worry... 🥳

If they're so desperate for data, they should just hire some college kids through a temp agency to go door-to-door...

...that way, I'd at least have someone to slam the door in the face of, xexexe... 😈
Raymond Rivera6 Raymond Rivera6 Member
12 messages
joined Jul 2013
#132 ·
Sarah Morris57 said:I actually got hit with those exact same questions when I was closing out my account.
I’m telling the teller what I want, and she’s just like, "Okay, let's just fill out this questionnaire first," and starts firing off questions at me. Honestly, I totally thought the whole form was about why I was leaving, but nope—it was all stuff about my kids, who I live with, and all that personal nonsense... so I just cut her off right there and told her I wasn't about to spill all that just because I'm moving my money elsewhere. She tried to play it off, saying it's just standard procedure now and they have to ask everyone, but I wasn't having any of it, so she eventually just backed off. It was at Chase.

I really don't know if people who still plan on doing business with them can dodge the interrogation like I did.

I'm not sure how to put this delicately, but I think you're exaggerating. Chase does have KYC questionnaires, but there isn't a single word in there about who you live with or anything regarding children. They might ask about your income, where you work, or the amount of a specific transaction, etc. They could have been updating your basic info, but even then, they don't ask about a spouse or kids—just the standard stuff like address, SSN, etc. Nothing deeply personal. At most, they might ask the reason for closing the account.
It feels like someone is just venting here and maybe embellishing the story to make it sound more dramatic.
Given how much work they have and how much they want to wrap things up smoothly with customers, I highly doubt anyone behind that counter actually cares whether you have kids, if they're in school, or what you had for lunch today. They don't have nothing better to do.
Jerry Williams53 Jerry Williams53 Active Member
53 messages
joined Mar 2017
#133 ·
Nobody’s obligated to fill out some stupid survey for the bank...
Been waiting months for the SWAT team to show up and force-feed me meds at gunpoint... but nothing...
Not even a teller came by with a bag of cash to tell me my account was closed...
Don't waste your time on this nonsense...
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
369 messages
joined Oct 2011
#134 ·
Raymond Rivera6 said:I'm not sure how to put this delicately, but I think you're exaggerating. Chase does have KYC questionnaires, but there isn't a single word in there about who you live with or anything regarding children. They might ask about your income, where you work, or the amount of a specific transaction, etc. They could have been updating your basic info, but even then, they don't ask about a spouse or kids—just the standard stuff like address, SSN, etc. Nothing deeply personal. At most, they might ask the reason for closing the account.
It feels like someone is just venting here and maybe embellishing the story to make it sound more dramatic.
Given how much work they have and how much they want to wrap things up smoothly with customers, I highly doubt anyone behind that counter actually cares whether you have kids, if they're in school, or what you had for lunch today. They don't have nothing better to do.

And what’s the latest news over at JPMorgan Chase?
When are they going to find someone younger to take your place on this forum? 🍿
Sarah Morris57 Sarah Morris57 Active Member
57 messages
joined Jan 2013
#135 ·
Raymond Rivera6 said:I'm not sure how to put this delicately, but I think you're exaggerating. Chase does have KYC questionnaires, but there isn't a single word in there about who you live with or anything regarding children. They might ask about your income, where you work, or the amount of a specific transaction, etc. They could have been updating your basic info, but even then, they don't ask about a spouse or kids—just the standard stuff like address, SSN, etc. Nothing deeply personal. At most, they might ask the reason for closing the account.
It feels like someone is just venting here and maybe embellishing the story to make it sound more dramatic.
Given how much work they have and how much they want to wrap things up smoothly with customers, I highly doubt anyone behind that counter actually cares whether you have kids, if they're in school, or what you had for lunch today. They don't have nothing better to do.

Maybe you could’ve just said I got my wires crossed or something... you know, being polite?
But whatever, I guess expecting anything better from JPMorgan Chase is just asking too much!

And for the record—they didn't freeze my account for three weeks without any explanation (it wasn't even because I owed them money!), and their employee didn't later admit there was a "misunderstanding" because not all the staff is trained properly (ugh, if only I'd remembered to record that convo!), and my personal banker definitely didn't mess up the math on my monthly payment and interest for a nice round number (my mom actually did the math right on the spot and made the lady correct herself)... nope, I'm just making all that up, right?
Even the part where she didn't roll her eyes when I told her I wouldn't answer any more questions because I'm leaving the bank... totally made that up too.

Besides, even if they *had* asked about my job or income—I'm quitting the bank, so why do you even care?
What kind of "client analysis" are you doing when I'm not even a client anymore?!

While I was busy closing out those last few accounts left over from my college days—like at Wells Fargo, for instance—they literally just asked why I was closing them and nothing else. Just simple!
Noah Reed90 Noah Reed90 Newcomer
8 messages
joined Feb 2015
#136 ·
When I opened my checking account at Zillow, I gave them my private home number—the one that isn't listed in any directory. Apparently, they handed it off (or sold it, who knows) to their business partner over at Allstate, because those people kept calling me until I finally changed my number.
I didn't bother reporting it to anyone. I just didn't feel like wasting my time on the bureaucracy.
Laura Chavez93 Laura Chavez93 Regular
285 messages
joined Dec 2015
#137 ·
Raymond Rivera6 said:I'm not sure how to put this delicately, but I think you're exaggerating. Chase does have KYC questionnaires, but there isn't a single word in there about who you live with or anything regarding children. They might ask about your income, where you work, or the amount of a specific transaction, etc. They could have been updating your basic info, but even then, they don't ask about a spouse or kids—just the standard stuff like address, SSN, etc. Nothing deeply personal. At most, they might ask the reason for closing the account.
It feels like someone is just venting here and maybe embellishing the story to make it sound more dramatic.
Given how much work they have and how much they want to wrap things up smoothly with customers, I highly doubt anyone behind that counter actually cares whether you have kids, if they're in school, or what you had for lunch today. They don't have nothing better to do.

And clearly, they don't—Chase called me on a day when the branch was closed... 🙄I took a quick look at their survey questions: they want my cell number, my office line, my email, my marital status, even which state I pay taxes in...
Good grief, I'm not even applying for a loan, let alone intending to, and after being a customer for 20 years, they suddenly decide to demand this nonsense?!?
edit: @Eric Newman4, it isn't about trying to hide anything—it's just plain harassment, I think...
Who on earth gives them the right to call me and insist that I suddenly need to satisfy all these requirements? Not to mention the old-school tactic where every time I step into a branch, they try to push loans, CDs, online banking, or service packages on me... 🙂 I mean, I just want to check my balance to see if a bill was paid, but instead, I get hit with a barrage of offers—of course, none of it is free, or even included in the fees I already pay just for having accounts there...
Eric Newman4 Eric Newman4 Member
27 messages
joined Oct 2013
#138 ·
Nobody from my bank has reached out yet, but honestly, if they called asking me to fill out some survey and hand over all my personal info, I’d probably just do it without a second thought... I mean, I'm not hiding anything, and there's nothing to gain by keeping it quiet. I don't see why people are so paranoid. Besides, we live in an era where staying anonymous is basically impossible anyway.
Brian Moore12 Brian Moore12 Active Member
61 messages
joined Jan 2008
#139 ·
Raymond Rivera6 said:I'm not sure how to put this delicately, but I think you're exaggerating. Chase does have KYC questionnaires, but there isn't a single word in there about who you live with or anything regarding children. They might ask about your income, where you work, or the amount of a specific transaction, etc. They could have been updating your basic info, but even then, they don't ask about a spouse or kids—just the standard stuff like address, SSN, etc. Nothing deeply personal. At most, they might ask the reason for closing the account.
It feels like someone is just venting here and maybe embellishing the story to make it sound more dramatic.
Given how much work they have and how much they want to wrap things up smoothly with customers, I highly doubt anyone behind that counter actually cares whether you have kids, if they're in school, or what you had for lunch today. They don't have nothing better to do.

Yeah, the banks are getting dragged through the mud. To start...
Ever wonder why?
Jerry Williams53 Jerry Williams53 Active Member
53 messages
joined Mar 2017
#140 ·
Eric Newman4 said:Nobody from my bank has reached out yet, but honestly, if they called asking me to fill out some survey and hand over all my personal info, I’d probably just do it without a second thought... I mean, I'm not hiding anything, and there's nothing to gain by keeping it quiet. I don't see why people are so paranoid. Besides, we live in an era where staying anonymous is basically impossible anyway.

Yeah... maybe if there was some decent pay involved, I'd be down too...
But nowadays, nothing comes for free...

Alright, real talk for a second...
The world would be such a boring, repetitive place if everyone actually used their own brains... 🙄

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