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New Taxpayers Association being formed!!!

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Participants goldencrane15darkotter35Jack Cook7hollowhawk412David Baker2Elizabeth Rodriguez54nimblelynx7Sandra White9dustymarlin10rapidskipper11cosmicsailor63George Morgan3urbanorca8lonemason52hollowtrucker77mistywalker48Andrew Booth29Nicole Morgan5ruggedpanther13
hollowhawk412 hollowhawk412 Active Member
60 messages
joined Oct 2011
#21 ·
In any case, those free textbooks this individual is harping on about are actually the perfect embodiment of the very thing I’ve been trying to explain here
It is nothing more than a textbook example of cronyism and private interests shaking hands behind closed doors
David Baker2 David Baker2 Active Member
101 messages
joined Jan 2014
#22 ·
hollowhawk412 said:In any case, those free textbooks this individual is harping on about are actually the perfect embodiment of the very thing I’ve been trying to explain here
It is nothing more than a textbook example of cronyism and private interests shaking hands behind closed doors

And honestly, it’s the truth. I truly believe that if you took away the state contracts, about 70% of those supposedly "successful" companies in the States would fold overnight.

ExxonMobil would be first on the list.

But we really ought to implement these changes immediately, because it is an absolute prerequisite for fostering actual market competition and finally tearing down these bloated monopolies.

That is why I am such a fierce advocate for public procurement being transparent down to the very last decimal point.

for $33 regarding spending through 2015, the bidding process must be finalized by June 2014 at the latest, with everything wrapped up by November 1st, 2014.
Every single bid—every single word of the requirements and terms—should be published online the second they come in, per the law (which actually needs to be passed), so that regular citizens can see exactly who is offering what and at what price.

The same goes for documenting every cent spent, right down to the last penny—or even the office toilet paper rolls—all made publicly available for anyone to scrutinize.

We need to be able to see clearly whether public procurement is actually following the published contracts, or if there is some shady backroom dealing happening with our hard-earned tax dollars.
The same standard should apply to every single state-owned enterprise or any entity where the government holds a majority stake.

If we had something like that in place, we would wipe out 80% of the corruption, bribery, and the way jobs are just handed out to buddies and political cronies.

If things were run that way, we wouldn't be in a situation where they have to hapsiti people over at something like Zg holding, because under such strict rules and conditions, nobody would ever dare to pull those kinds of shady stunts in the first place. ☕
hollowhawk412 hollowhawk412 Active Member
60 messages
joined Oct 2011
#23 ·
David Baker2 said:And honestly, it’s the truth. I truly believe that if you took away the state contracts, about 70% of those supposedly "successful" companies in the States would fold overnight.

ExxonMobil would be first on the list.

But we really ought to implement these changes immediately, because it is an absolute prerequisite for fostering actual market competition and finally tearing down these bloated monopolies.

That is why I am such a fierce advocate for public procurement being transparent down to the very last decimal point.

for $33 regarding spending through 2015, the bidding process must be finalized by June 2014 at the latest, with everything wrapped up by November 1st, 2014.
Every single bid—every single word of the requirements and terms—should be published online the second they come in, per the law (which actually needs to be passed), so that regular citizens can see exactly who is offering what and at what price.

The same goes for documenting every cent spent, right down to the last penny—or even the office toilet paper rolls—all made publicly available for anyone to scrutinize.

We need to be able to see clearly whether public procurement is actually following the published contracts, or if there is some shady backroom dealing happening with our hard-earned tax dollars.
The same standard should apply to every single state-owned enterprise or any entity where the government holds a majority stake.

If we had something like that in place, we would wipe out 80% of the corruption, bribery, and the way jobs are just handed out to buddies and political cronies.

If things were run that way, we wouldn't be in a situation where they have to hapsiti people over at something like Zg holding, because under such strict rules and conditions, nobody would ever dare to pull those kinds of shady stunts in the first place. ☕

And if you factor in what I previously mentioned regarding the officials themselves, then you have the complete picture.

There are as many of them as there are cases of ebola :-)

It certainly wouldn't cause any social upheaval...

I have been quite vocal in my support for local government reform on a completely different topic as well...
They are vital to the central government when it comes to public procurement, which inherently grants them significant influence during elections
,or rather, gives them control over the economy.
They operate in a tight loop; that is exactly why they were granted the authority to issue permits in the first place.
That is the second pillar of this issue that absolutely requires a solution.

We must open up every single budget and every single contract, down to the very last penny.
urbanorca8 urbanorca8 Member
23 messages
joined Nov 2016
#24 ·
David Baker2 said:Where are they collecting signatures for this? Give me a location because I’m heading out right now. 😁

Here is a solid article from a news site on the subject, along with a rather beautiful chart that explains exactly why we are screwed—and why we will stay absolutely screwed—until the entire federal and local administration is slashed down to just 20,000 people, which basically means we need at least 100,000 layoffs across the board.

And here was Matija Gubec complaining about a mere 30% tax rate... honestly, aren't we all just cowards and fools for allowing them to pull this nonsense on us for over a decade now? ts ts ts 🙂

This graphic really drives home how much the government skims off every taxpayer just to hand it over to their favorite inner circle—80% is an absolutely insane number.
lonemason52 lonemason52 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2014
#25 ·
Look, nothing is ever perfect right out of the gate—it's just not how things work—but I'm really hoping they find their footing and actually shape up as they go. I honestly wish them nothing but the best as they figure it all out...👍
goldencrane15 goldencrane15 MemberOP
39 messages
joined Jul 2011
#26 ·
hollowhawk412 said:Pure pathos and a complete trivialization of a very serious issue.

Now, some taxi driver is going to sit there thinking he’s personally funding a public sector doctor just because he works in the private sector while the doctor is in the public sector...

Mr. Huić comes from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and his employer association certainly includes plenty of members
who have earned far more from taxes than they have ever paid into them,
and heaven knows they've enjoyed their fair share of positions within institutions too.

It's that classic American defeatism.

Just whining and complaining.
When it actually comes time to take action, nobody shows up.

My estimation? This is going to be an uphill battle. The percentage of honest, hardworking people who actually grasp how damaging this so-called "welfare state" is to our country is probably under 5%, maybe 7% at most.

So, lobbying for change will be an absolute grind, but it’s a necessary starting point.

Americans right now are acting like sheep, pacified by social handouts that are funded by mounting debt and by suffocating rational, productive businesses.
But just because things are this way doesn't mean we have to accept it forever.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
681 messages
joined Nov 2007
#27 ·
urbanorca8 said:This graphic really drives home how much the government skims off every taxpayer just to hand it over to their favorite inner circle—80% is an absolutely insane number.

but honestly, we’re barely even scratching the surface here
🙂
where's the property tax accounting?
where's the sales tax on every little thing we buy?
how much do we actually see in our Social Security checks compared to what we've been paying into the system all along?
and the list goes on and on and on...
mistywalker48 mistywalker48 Newcomer
1 message
joined Oct 2014
#28 ·
an association of taxpayers

Isn't that basically the definition of a government? xD
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
338 messages
joined Mar 2012
#29 ·
mistywalker48 said:
an association of taxpayers

Isn't that basically the definition of a government? xD

I wouldn't go that far—it's more that most people in this country simply don't pay their taxes.😁
Nicole Morgan5 Nicole Morgan5 Member
37 messages
joined Sep 2010
#30 ·
darkotter35 said:🙏🙏🙏

There’s a referendum on the table to slash 50% of the staff in the federal bureaucracy and local government offices.

Where am I supposed to go to sign this?

Brilliant!

In that case, I’ll start my own referendum to abolish payroll deductions for Social Security and Medicare.
Really, what could be a better solution than just mass layoffs? It’ll surely cause private sector wages to skyrocket by 40% overnight.

Then you can decide for yourself—if you're feeling adventurous—exactly how much you want to contribute toward your retirement. But good luck paying $3,000 in cash for an appendectomy. Heaven forbid you get actually sick; then your parents might have to sell their house and end up on the streets just to afford you proper medical treatment. 🙂
ruggedpanther13 ruggedpanther13 Member
35 messages
joined Nov 2014
#31 ·
Honestly, I think they should just rename the association to something like THE MILKMAN or maybe just COW JUICE.

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