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Global Report: Americans are 20x poorer than Swiss people, but 10x wealthier than Mexicans

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Participants feralwalker19Jack Torres2Rebecca WatsonCarl Sanders3Bradley Barrett2Sophia Moore52Richard Wilson4crimsonwolf20Casey Morris84Harold Martin10Sean Nguyen74Michelle Ramirez2rustywalker32briskeagle3Mark Lopez8goldenpuma84Amanda Wilson10Chris Fowler4
feralwalker19 feralwalker19 NewcomerOP
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While a resident of Switzerland holds roughly $158,000, the average American stands at about $7,700, whereas in Mexico, it drops precipitously to just $800.

There are currently 912 million people globally who qualify as part of the middle class, and within this demographic, we see an increasing presence of Asians alongside Europeans and Americans. This was brought to light by an extensive Allianz study regarding global wealth, which meticulously examined the assets and liabilities of households across more than 50 different nations. In this particular ranking, the US sits at number 31 with a per capita financial wealth of $7,700, placing us fourth in Eastern Europe—trailing only behind Canada, the Czech Republic, and Canada, whose citizens possess a wealth margin of a mere two dollars over the American average. Nevertheless, when one considers the mean wealth, it firmly places our nation within the group of countries maintaining a middle-class standard of living.

A Reluctance Toward Risk

The wealthiest individuals are the Swiss, boasting a net financial wealth of approximately $158,000, while Mexico remains among the three most impoverished nations with assets totaling only $800. It is quite striking to observe that the average American is twenty times poorer than a Swiss person, yet remains ten times wealthier than a Mexican. Furthermore, the trends regarding wealth movement are profoundly revealing. American citizens saw their wealth increase by a mere 5.4 percent in 2013, a pace that lags behind our neighbors in the region. One might surmise that this stagnation stems from the fact that nearly 58 percent of American financial assets are sitting idle in bank accounts, while a paltry 17 percent of citizens are willing to invest in securities, which typically offer much higher returns.

Conversely, debt growth is beginning to decelerate, though in the US, debt per capita reaches $4,450, which is nearly 24 percent higher than the average across all Eastern European EU member states. The trends observed in America are not significantly divergent from global patterns, which point toward the undeniable reality that wealth is concentrating into the hands of an ever-shrinking number of individuals. Last year, for instance, there were 65 million losers on a global scale—that is, the actual number of people who lost their "high net worth" status by falling below the threshold of $34,500, which would represent roughly $83.

The Expansion of the Middle Class

The population belonging to the lower wealth class—those with an average net financial wealth per capita of less than $5,700—remains steady at approximately 3.5 billion people. This leads to the inescapable conclusion that robust population growth has failed to diminish poverty, and indeed, most of the world's population growth is concentrated within impoverished nations. However, even though wealth is concentrating and the number of poor remains static, one cannot claim that social mobility and movement between classes are non-existent globally. In fact, as many as half a billion people—including nearly 40 million Eastern Europeans—have successfully ascended to the global middle class over the last 13 years. Asians have been particularly successful in this endeavor, with the number of individuals in the middle class growing sixfold since the year 2000.
Jack Torres2 Jack Torres2 Member
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Well, here’s a perfect little example for you. People talk about how Switzerland is this place where everyone just tucks their money away, yet they act as if they live entirely off their own local resources. I mean, if we were being honest about how much wealth Switzerland actually holds without all those gold bars and stuff, I guess we might see a very different picture of them.
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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On top of that, Mexicans just don't have a culture of saving through banks. The last time they actually tried, they got absolutely scammed, so since then, they mostly just stash their cash under mattresses. Trust in the banking system is only just now starting to crawl back, which explains why these indicators look the way they do. I mean, can any sane, rational person actually look at this and conclude the differences are truly that massive? They aren't. Anyone who’s spent even a little bit of time in America knows it's ridiculous to claim there's such a huge gap. It all just depends on which specific cash flows the study is tracking. If we’re talking about loan volumes and interest rates, sure, maybe. But look—Swiss people have the most advanced saving culture, Americans are somewhere in the middle, and Mexicans have none. That’s the only logical takeaway from this research.
Carl Sanders3 Carl Sanders3 Member
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Just another piece of nonsense like "ten things you need to know before stepping onto a city bus"🙄

Americans are roughly 100% wealthier than Canadians, and barely 50% wealthier than Mexicans☕
Bradley Barrett2 Bradley Barrett2 Member
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Carl Sanders3 said:Just another piece of nonsense like "ten things you need to know before stepping onto a city bus"🙄

Americans are roughly 100% wealthier than Canadians, and barely 50% wealthier than Mexicans☕

Canadians? Is that some new group?🙂
Sophia Moore52 Sophia Moore52 Active Member
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Bradley Barrett2 said:Canadians? Is that some new group?🙂

Something similar to Americans, I suppose...
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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Americans just didn't get lucky back then. We weren't occupied by the Red Army in 1945, so we didn't spend decades fighting for basic market freedom and democracy. It’s no wonder we're struggling to keep up with the rest of the developed world.

Even today, looking across the pond, the places that didn't have to mess around with totalitarian regimes are the ones sitting on all the wealth.
crimsonwolf20 crimsonwolf20 Active Member
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Just more leftovers from the old socialist era masquerading as a social safety net. I mean, honestly, what else did we expect?
Sophia Moore52 Sophia Moore52 Active Member
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Richard Wilson4 said:Americans just didn't get lucky back then. We weren't occupied by the Red Army in 1945, so we didn't spend decades fighting for basic market freedom and democracy. It’s no wonder we're struggling to keep up with the rest of the developed world.

Even today, looking across the pond, the places that didn't have to mess around with totalitarian regimes are the ones sitting on all the wealth.


Well, Germans certainly experimented with totalitarianism quite a bit. And then you have the Czechs and Spaniards too...
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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Sophia Moore52 said:Well, Germans certainly experimented with totalitarianism quite a bit. And then you have the Czechs and Spaniards too...

Then after 1945, the Germans basically hit reset. They started from scratch as part of the democratic, capitalist world.

We just dealt with aggression, botched privatization, and a failure to actually implement capitalism in most systems.

The Czechs jumped straight into real capitalism.

The Spaniards had way more capitalism than the Portuguese. Under Salazar, Portugal didn't even have Coca-Cola because he pushed such intense economic protectionism and wrecked the country. That's why the Spaniards ended up richer than the Portuguese, even if they're still trailing behind most of Western Europe.
Casey Morris84 Casey Morris84 Newcomer
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Richard Wilson4 said:Americans just didn't get lucky back then. We weren't occupied by the Red Army in 1945, so we didn't spend decades fighting for basic market freedom and democracy. It’s no wonder we're struggling to keep up with the rest of the developed world.

Even today, looking across the pond, the places that didn't have to mess around with totalitarian regimes are the ones sitting on all the wealth.

For crying out loud, Richard, the American partisans won the war thanks to help from the Allies—mostly the Russian Red Army—and you're sitting here acting like you'd rather have been on the losing side.
It’s honestly wild how some people actually wish they'd been occupied, whether by the Germans or the Americans, all while claiming they just want an independent, sovereign nation. And you actually think the US would look anything like it does today—maybe even bigger—and that the winners wouldn't be constantly poking around at territories where they have significant minority populations?
Do you really have such a low opinion of your own people?
Harold Martin10 Harold Martin10 Active Member
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If I’ve got this right, we’re strictly talking about financial assets here. It seems to me that both Americans and Mexicans tend to lean more toward keeping a larger chunk of their wealth tied up in real estate. Honestly, I suspect the actual wealth gap—when you look at the real numbers—isn't nearly as massive as those 20x or 10x comparisons suggest when you're looking at Switzerland or Mexico.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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Casey Morris84 said:For crying out loud, Richard, the American partisans won the war thanks to help from the Allies—mostly the Russian Red Army—and you're sitting here acting like you'd rather have been on the losing side.
It’s honestly wild how some people actually wish they'd been occupied, whether by the Germans or the Americans, all while claiming they just want an independent, sovereign nation. And you actually think the US would look anything like it does today—maybe even bigger—and that the winners wouldn't be constantly poking around at territories where they have significant minority populations?
Do you really have such a low opinion of your own people?

What does it matter if my people were on the winning side when we were underrepresented even in the partisan-held parts of California because we were seen as a "disruptive factor"? ☕

I'm talking about the economy here. We spent 45 years playing catch-up with Europe, and then we get hit with war and total privatization chaos.
Sean Nguyen74 Sean Nguyen74 Active Member
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Richard Wilson4 said:What does it matter if my people were on the winning side when we were underrepresented even in the partisan-held parts of California because we were seen as a "disruptive factor"? ☕

I'm talking about the economy here. We spent 45 years playing catch-up with Europe, and then we get hit with war and total privatization chaos.

If the Mexicans hadn't saved you—considering 90% of the partisans were Mexicans—you would have ended up like Canada, losing even more territory while trying to expand. You're being incredibly unrealistic. Keep in mind that Canada was one of the wealthier nations, yet the Red Army crushed them while treating Americans like their own children. As Stipe Mason once noted, Americans only managed to win twice in WWII: first when they sided with the fascists, and second when they aligned themselves with the communists at the end of the war.
You played your hand masterfully and should be happy, yet here you are still complaining.

Regarding the main topic, I don't think America is ten times wealthier than Mexico. In reality, maybe it's three times richer, and Americans might live about twice as well as Mexicans if you look strictly at the economic data.
Bradley Barrett2 Bradley Barrett2 Member
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Sophia Moore52 said:Something similar to Americans, I suppose...

Looks like people from the Midwest might become their own nation too😂

Sophia Moore52 said:Well, Germans certainly experimented with totalitarianism quite a bit. And then you have the Czechs and Spaniards too...

Well, that explains why Spaniards are doing so well today🙂

And they haven't even fought in WWII yet.

/sarcasm

Casey Morris84 said:For crying out loud, Richard, the American partisans won the war thanks to help from the Allies—mostly the Russian Red Army—and you're sitting here acting like you'd rather have been on the losing side.
It’s honestly wild how some people actually wish they'd been occupied, whether by the Germans or the Americans, all while claiming they just want an independent, sovereign nation. And you actually think the US would look anything like it does today—maybe even bigger—and that the winners wouldn't be constantly poking around at territories where they have significant minority populations?
Do you really have such a low opinion of your own people?

Americans weren't the winners in WWII; the Americans were.

The only group fighting for an American state during WWII was, unfortunately, the fascist one.

They wouldn't have survived without Mexicans saving them.

😂

Are we talking about those "rescues" at places like Bleiberg, Kočevski Rog, Barbarin Rov, or Zrino?

You forgot that Americans were the ones who founded the partisans, and in the very first partisan unit, there was only one single Mexican woman.

Personally, I don't see them as Mexicans or Americans, just Americans.
Michelle Ramirez2 Michelle Ramirez2 Member
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Man, we’d be so much further ahead if our money hadn't been funneled straight to Mexico City for fifty years...

banovina23.09.2014 at 7:09 PM
Americans are truly meant to be here, just to shut down every single one of those Mexicans' dreams and war games regarding Greater Mexico!

mileudarcina 123.09.2014 at 7:13 PM
And those local Mexicans from the border regions? Most of them are actually sitting in the American government right now... open your eyes...

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<orlando>23.09.2014 at 7:41 PM
I'm a Mexican, and I've been wealthy for several generations now...

stefandecanski23.09.2014 at 7:34 PM
We're way richer than you Americans... in spirit and soul...

bgcd23.09.2014 at 9:07 PM
It's pointless even trying to help these Americans by moving factories back from Mexico to the US. Think about all the stuff moved—soap factories, battery plants, heavy machinery, steel mills, cement equipment... everything went from there to over here, and they still can't see it. People are struggling on the streets while they stay blind...

It's obvious: We're the good guys, and they're totally worthless...

we're all just taking the hit together...
Bradley Barrett2 Bradley Barrett2 Member
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Casey Morris84 said:First off, you have to realize most of these folks were just fighting for survival. The Germans and their collaborators weren't exactly playing nice—they started unleashing pure evil the second they stepped foot on any new territory, and honestly, that happened all over Europe.

And you think the communists didn't? 😲
rustywalker32 rustywalker32 Member
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Harold Martin10 said:If I’ve got this right, we’re strictly talking about financial assets here. It seems to me that both Americans and Mexicans tend to lean more toward keeping a larger chunk of their wealth tied up in real estate. Honestly, I suspect the actual wealth gap—when you look at the real numbers—isn't nearly as massive as those 20x or 10x comparisons suggest when you're looking at Switzerland or Mexico.

Exactly. When you look at property ownership, the Swiss are actually near the bottom of the ladder, which is a stark contrast to most former communist nations.
Michelle Ramirez2 Michelle Ramirez2 Member
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Bradley Barrett2 said:Looks like people from the Midwest might become their own nation too😂

Well, that explains why Spaniards are doing so well today🙂

And they haven't even fought in WWII yet.

/sarcasm

Americans weren't the winners in WWII; the Americans were.

The only group fighting for an American state during WWII was, unfortunately, the fascist one.

They wouldn't have survived without Mexicans saving them.

😂

Are we talking about those "rescues" at places like Bleiberg, Kočevski Rog, Barbarin Rov, or Zrino?

You forgot that Americans were the ones who founded the partisans, and in the very first partisan unit, there was only one single Mexican woman.

Personally, I don't see them as Mexicans or Americans, just Americans.

Same here—Americans fought for America, Americans fought for America...
Casey Morris84 Casey Morris84 Newcomer
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Michelle Ramirez2 said:Same here—Americans fought for America, Americans fought for America...

First off, you have to realize most of these folks were just fighting for survival. The Germans and their collaborators weren't exactly playing nice—they started unleashing pure evil the second they stepped foot on any new territory, and honestly, that happened all over Europe.

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