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The Winner's Mindset

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nimbleeagle22 nimbleeagle22 Newcomer
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#61 ·
Mindset — basically how you look at competition, life, or just any hurdle thrown your way. It’s about having that gut feeling in every fiber of your being that you're going to come out on top, when you know deep down you'll make it happen.

Some people are just born with it. Others have to grind through some seriously brutal training sessions. Some need a string of wins just to feel a bit of confidence, and then there are those who carry heavy trauma, battling internal demons just to get through the day.

Everyone's wired differently, man. You've got to figure out for yourself what actually lights a fire under you and keeps your head straight. Honestly, I think self-awareness...just really getting who you are...would help lift you up and shift your whole perspective.

Find your "why"... find your purpose. Like others have mentioned here, some folks live for the win...that adrenaline rush...testing their own limits...or maybe they just genuinely love the game or the job they do.

Even the most average person can reach the stars if they are properly motivated.
If you aren't driven, if you don't have the will to put in the hours and the energy required to win and actually change who you are, nothing else really matters.
Michael Diaz6 Michael Diaz6 Active Member
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#62 ·
I think it’s just like being in a boxing ring...
It doesn't matter how hard you can hit; what actually counts is how much punishment you can take.

A winner's mindset is as simple as a slap in the face...
I don't quit.
George Lopez84 George Lopez84 Member
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#63 ·
I live by a winner's mindset—pure obsession. It’s an obsession with success fueled by perfectionism, grit, and a refusal to accept anything less than winning. I’ll admit, it’s exhausting, draining, and honestly, maybe unnecessary at times—but that’s just how I operate, whether I'm playing poker with friends or grinding through finals at a state university.
Mark Vaughn8 Mark Vaughn8 Newcomer
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#64 ·
screw the "winner mentality," I’d just rather actually win.

so look, you focus on what you actually want and you don't quit. persistence isn't some innate talent or a moral virtue—it's just a choice you make.

but what do you really want? maybe those straight A's were just your parents breathing down your neck. was choosing that B instead just you finally reaching for something real that you actually crave? honestly, that matters way more to people than whether you got an A or a B.
boldsailor48 boldsailor48 Newcomer
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#65 ·
You know that thing about an ant? You put your finger right in its path and it just finds a way around—it’ll climb over you or pivot out of the way. No matter how many times you block it, that little guy isn't quitting. 🙂That’s what I call a winner's mindset.

Honestly, it feels like your goals just aren't hitting the spot for you lately. Thank God there are endless, endless possibilities out there to crush it, and I really think you need to let yourself dream big and just fantasize a bit, because that's what actually feeds your soul. 😉
Jeremy Brooks6 Jeremy Brooks6 Member
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#66 ·
The Positive side of negative Thinking by Ken Ward IT
The Positive side of negative Thinking by Ken Ward IT
People love to toss around this idea—almost like it’s an unshakeable truth—that we just need to ditch the negativity and lean hard into being positive. It sounds great on paper, right? But honestly, the whole journey of self-improvement isn't quite that straightforward. It turns out that "positive thinking" can be a bit of a double-edged sword—it helps some folks find their footing, while for others, it doesn't land at all—and a lot of it really boils down to the specific situation you're in. In fact, there are times when trying to force a positive outlook actually ends up making things feel worse.

Affirmations Can make you Feel Worse Joanna Wood of The University of Waterloo found that positive affirmations make som People feel worse. It’s one of those things where you think you're doing the right thing—like following some self-help guru's advice to just "think happy thoughts"—but instead, it backfires. It’s kind of like trying to fix a leaky faucet by just telling the sink everything is fine; eventually, you're still going to have a puddle on the floor. It’s a weird psychological loop—how the negatives disappear, and how the positive might maintain them: suppose that someone has a fear of dogs. If you just stand there shouting "I am brave!" while a Golden Retriever is staring you down, you aren't actually addressing the adrenaline spike or the shaky knees—you're just adding frustration to the mix because the affirmation doesn't match your reality. There's a lot of research into this, too. For instance, Carol Dweck wrote in her article, Perils and Promises of Praise, about how certain types of encouragement can actually undermine confidence rather than build it up. It’s all about the approach. Sometimes, leaning into the struggle is more productive than trying to force a smile through a crisis. It reminds me a bit of what people discuss regarding what is sometimes called the Second Wave in certain psychological movements—moving past the superficial stuff and getting into the actual grit of how we process emotions. Just a thought—it's definitely worth looking into if you've ever felt more drained after a "positive thinking" session.
So, I was reading up on some research recently—it’s one of those things that really makes you rethink how we approach self-help—and it turns out Affirmations Can make you Feel Worse Joanna Wood of The University of Waterloo found that positive affirmations make som People Feel worse. Back in 2009, she looked into how often students would give themselves a little pep talk, and she found that over half of them were doing it pretty regularly—especially right before hitting a big, stressful hurdle or something particularly tough. Most of them actually felt like it was helping, which is what makes it so interesting. To see if that feeling was actually backed up by reality, though, she decided to run a second study to really put it to the test.

So, she took a look at whether all those daily affirmations actually help students feel any better—you know, that whole "positive vibes only" thing. In her study, she had 68 students basically chant, "I am a lovable person," to themselves every fifteen seconds or so. It’s an interesting setup, really. But here’s the kicker: the results weren't exactly sunshine and rainbows for everyone. She discovered that while people who already had high self-esteem felt a bit of a boost, those struggling with low self-esteem actually ended up feeling worse. It sounds counterintuitive, right? Like, shouldn't more positivity always equal more happiness? Her theory was that for those folks with lower self-esteem, the affirmations just didn't land. They didn't truly believe the words they were saying, and they couldn't quite shake off the negative thoughts creeping in from the sidelines. So, instead of feeling empowered, they just felt bad—partly because they felt like they were failing at being positive, and partly because those nagging negative thoughts were still winning the tug-of-war. It’s a bit of a double whammy, honestly.

In a third study—think of it like a social experiment run at a major state university—Joanna Wood decided to see how people with different levels of self-esteem reacted to the prompt, "I am a lovable person." It’s an interesting bit of psychology, really. She looked at how people with high self-esteem handled it versus those struggling with low self-esteem, and the results were a bit of a mixed bag. For folks already feeling pretty good about themselves, the affirmation gave them a tiny boost, though nothing earth-shattering. But here’s the kicker: for those dealing with low self-esteem, the affirmation didn't actually make them feel better—it just sort of took the edge off the misery. It wasn't a cure, per se; it just leveled the playing field slightly. Ultimately, Wood concluded that while self-affirmations might offer a small lift to those who are already doing fine, they can actually backfire and leave those who truly need the encouragement feeling even worse than before.

So, I was reading about this study where Geoffrey Cohen from The University of Colorado gave students a 15 minute writing task wherein they affirmed their values. It’s pretty interesting—the effect of this on Black students (though it didn't really hit the other groups the same way) was that their academic success shot up way past what their peers were seeing. And the crazy part? That boost actually stuck around for years after the assignment was done. It seems like for certain people, just taking a moment to affirm their values and really dig into why those things matter to them can pave the way for much more success. Of course, it wasn't a magic bullet for everyone—it only worked for a specific subset of the students. It just goes to show, once again, that these kinds of procedures might be a huge help for some, but they won't necessarily move the needle for others. It's all very situational, I guess.

Back in 2007, Carol Dweck wrote in her article, Perils and Promises of Praise, that she and her team kept running into the same pattern: telling kids they’re smart gives them a quick little ego boost, sure—but it’s usually followed by a massive wave of baggage. We're talking a whole laundry list of downsides, like being terrified of failing, dodging any kind of risk, doubting their own abilities the second things go sideways, and just generally struggling to bounce back from a setback. Basically, kids actually perform much better when you praise the actual grind—the effort and the way they apply themselves—rather than just complimenting who they "are." It's a bit of a trap, really. If we convince ourselves that we’re inherently brilliant, we start avoiding anything that might challenge that image. Then, when we inevitably mess up, the internal monologue shifts from "Okay, I need to put in more work here" to "Wow, I'm just stupid." And honestly? This logic carries over into pretty much everything else. How the negatives disappear, and how the positive might maintain them: suppose that someone has a fear of dogs—well, applying this to things like beauty or health can lead to some pretty messy side effects too. If you build your entire identity around being beautiful, you're going to be way more devastated if someone ignores you, compared to if you focused on things you actually have control over—like being a great listener or just staying persistent. It’s all about where you pin your sense of worth.

So, if we’re looking at the idea that positive thinking can actually backfire and leave us feeling even lower than before—can it truly be harmful? It’s a fair question, really. I mean, we’ve all been there—trying to force a smile when everything feels like it's falling apart, almost like trying to put a Band-Aid on a broken leg. You know what I mean? It doesn't quite fix the underlying issue, and sometimes, it just makes the frustration sting a little more because you feel like you're "failing" at being positive. It's a bit like that study mentioned earlier, where Affirmations Can make you Feel Worse Joanna Wood of The University of Waterloo found that positive affirmations make som People Feel worse. There's a certain tension there—this gap between where we are and where we think we "should" be. When that gap gets too wide, the mental gymnastics can get pretty exhausting. It’s not necessarily that positivity itself is the enemy, but rather that forced optimism can act like a pressure cooker—it builds up all that unaddressed reality until things just feel... off. So, yeah, there's definitely a point where trying to stay upbeat can become its own kind of burden.

Maybe we’ve been looking at "staying positive" all wrong—like, maybe it’s actually working against us? It sounds counterintuitive, I know. We’re always told to just think happy thoughts and everything will fall into place, but there’s a growing sense that forcing a smile when things are falling apart isn't just useless; it might actually be making things harder. It reminds me of that study where Affirmations Can make you Feel Worse Joanna Wood of The University of Waterloo found that positive affirmations make som People Feel worse. It’s a strange concept, right? You try to tell yourself you're confident or successful, but if you don't actually feel that way deep down, the gap between the lie and the reality creates this weird, uncomfortable tension. It's like trying to fix a leaky faucet by just telling the sink it's doing a great job—it doesn't change the plumbing. There’s also this idea from Carol Dweck wrote in her article, Perils and Promises of Praise, about how the way we approach mindset can really shape our growth. If we focus too much on the surface-level "good vibes," we might miss the actual mechanics of how we learn and adapt. Think about it this way: How the negatives disappear, and how the positive might maintain them: suppose that someone has a fear of dogs. If they just try to "think positively" about dogs without actually addressing the underlying anxiety, they aren't really solving anything. They're just masking it. It's similar to what people discuss regarding What is sometimes called the Second Wave in psychological approaches—moving past simple positivity toward something more nuanced and grounded. I guess what I'm getting at is that maybe being honest about the struggle is more productive than pretending everything is sunshine and rainbows. Sometimes, acknowledging the mess is the only way to actually start cleaning it up.
It’s kind of funny how our brains work—sometimes, trying to manifest success actually backfires. It sounds counterintuitive, right? You'd think picturing yourself winning would get you in the zone, but there's some interesting research suggesting it might actually trip you up. For instance, a researcher named Lien Pham at the University of California ran a study where one group of students was asked to spend time visualizing themselves crushing a major midterm and walking away with an 'A.' When you compare them to a control group—students who just went about their business without the mental imagery—the visualizers actually ended up performing worse. It turns out that just a few minutes of daydreaming about being successful can quietly chip away at your actual drive to put in the work, which ultimately leads to lower grades. This whole idea caught the attention of Gabriele Oettingen. In a piece featured in Peter Gollwitzer's *Psychology of Action*, she dives into whether all this positive fantasy actually helps us succeed. Her conclusion? Sometimes, it just makes things harder. It’s like warming up for a marathon by sitting on the couch imagining the finish line—you feel the victory, but your muscles haven't actually done any of the training.

Take a look at this interesting scenario. There was a study involving twenty-five women participating in a weight loss program at the University of Pennsylvania Hospital—women who were dealing with significant weight issues, averaging around 233 pounds. During the program, they were asked to visualize a future where they finished the regimen and were headed to a pool party. They’d describe these mental images and then label them as either positive or negative, while also rating how they felt about their own bodies. Now, imagine two different responses. One woman might say, "Oh, I’d just feast on everything in sight—probably even polish off everyone else's leftovers... and honestly, I'd likely still be overweight." Then you have another who says, "I’d be super disciplined about my food intake... and I'd definitely show off my new, slim figure." Which group do you think actually saw results? It’s counterintuitive, I know, but in the actual study, the women with those "negative" fantasies ended up losing about 24 pounds more than the ones focused on the "positive" visions. It catches most people off guard—it really does. As Oettingen points out, it seems like those mental images centered on being thin or resisting temptation actually acted as a roadblock to real weight loss. It makes you wonder, though—how do these positive visualizations impact other areas of our health? Does simply visualizing a better outcome actually help us heal faster, or is it just wishful thinking that gets in our way?

Back in '95, there was this study by Oettingen looking at how kids fighting cancer used fantasy as a way to cope—and the results were actually pretty eye-opening. It turns out that leaning too hard into those sunny, positive daydreams actually predicted a tougher road to recovery. It sounds counterintuitive, I know—you’d think thinking happy thoughts would help—but the reality is that true healing requires real, gritty action, like following strict medical protocols or pushing through some seriously painful treatments. When people get stuck in that "everything will just work itself out" mindset, it kind of suppresses the drive needed to actually do the work, because they start believing recovery will just happen effortlessly, almost like magic. Fast forward to 2002, and Oettingen ran another study on people recovering from hip replacement surgery, and the pattern held up: once again, those purely positive fantasies ended up being more of a hurdle than a help.

So, what actually happens when we throw a few negatives into the equation? It’s an interesting thought—you know, looking at how the balance shifts once things aren't just purely optimistic. In their States of Mind model, Robert Schwarz and Gregory Garamoni suggested that for most people to stay grounded and functional, there’s this ideal ratio for our internal dialogue—kind of like the golden ratio you see in art or nature. They basically proposed a mix of about two-thirds positive and one-third negative. I remember reading that Oettingen looked into this as well, exploring how that specific blend affects us. It makes sense, really—if everything is sunshine and rainbows, you lose your edge, but if it's all gloom, you can't move forward. It's all about that middle ground.

Her research delved into all sorts of areas—how we handle our thoughts in romantic relationships, how it impacts our career climbs, and even how it plays out with our physical health. The big takeaway? Just leaning into positive fantasies doesn't actually help much; if anything, it kind of gets in the way of real progress. It turns out that focusing on the negatives can actually be a bit more effective, but there’s a catch—the real magic happens when you balance things out. When she had participants look at both the potential perks and the potential pitfalls, they outperformed everyone else. They did better than the folks who only focused on the downsides, and they definitely crushed the group that stuck strictly to positive thinking. This wasn't just theoretical, either—it had real-world applications, like with patients recovering from hip surgery. Those who weighed both the good and the bad ended up bouncing back much faster than the ones who just tried to wish their way through it with pure positive thinking.

Actually, there’s an even heavier side to the whole "positive thinking" thing—it can get pretty intense. Back in '87, a researcher named Morgens Jensen looked into a study involving 52 women battling breast cancer, and what they found was pretty sobering. It turns out that things like suppressing negative emotions or retreating into these comforting daydreams were actually linked to the spread of the disease. To me, it just goes to show how much harm can come from trying to push down the bad stuff or hiding away in a positive fantasy instead of actually facing reality.

One of the big things we really need to tackle here is the whole way we handle negative thoughts. It feels like whenever you try to just push them down or shove them into a corner—kind of like trying to hold an inflated beach ball underwater—they just end up popping back up even harder. We're going to dive into how to actually manage that next.

It’s funny how we try to police our own brains, isn't it? We have this idea that if we just push the dark thoughts far enough down—like burying something in the backyard hoping it won't sprout—everything will suddenly be sunshine and rainbows. But honestly, that usually backfires. It's like trying to hold an inflated beach ball underwater; eventually, your arms get tired, and that thing is going to pop up and smack you right in the face. There's actually some interesting research on this. For instance, Affirmations Can make you Feel Worse Joanna Wood of The University of Waterloo found that positive affirmations make som People Feel worse. It sounds counterintuitive, I know—you'd think telling yourself you're amazing would work—but if there's a massive gap between what you're saying and what you actually feel, it just creates this weird internal friction. It can actually leave you feeling more depleted than when you started. Then you have the work done by Geoffrey Cohen. The University of Colorado gave students a 15 minute writing task wherein they affirmed their values, and it had a profound impact. Specifically, The Effect of this on Black students was quite significant. It wasn't about forcing "positivity," but rather grounding themselves in what actually mattered to them. It reminds me of how Carol Dweck wrote in her article, Perils and Promises of Praise. She touches on how the way we frame things—whether we focus on innate talent or the effort we put in—changes everything. It’s a bit like the difference between telling a kid they're "smart" versus telling them they worked really hard on a project. One builds a fragile ego, while the other builds actual resilience. How the negatives disappear, and how the positive might maintain them: suppose that someone has a fear of dogs. If they just try to ignore the fear or pretend it doesn't exist, the anxiety just sits there, simmering. But if they approach it through a different lens—maybe focusing on their ability to manage discomfort—the dynamic shifts. It’s almost like what people call the Second Wave in certain psychological movements—it's less about fighting the bad stuff and more about finding a way to coexist with it while moving forward. It's about Freeing The mind from the constant battle of "good vs. bad." Inspired by Kipling's If, I think there's a certain strength in being able to sit with the messiness of life without needing to immediately fix it with a catchy slogan or a forced smile. Life is complicated, and maybe our thinking should be allowed to be a little messy too.
A big chunk of the "positive thinking" crowd argues that we just shouldn't tolerate any negative thoughts at all—basically, just push them aside. But here’s the funny thing about that—it's almost ironic—because trying to suppress those thoughts usually just makes them loop back around even harder. It's like when you're driving down the highway and you tell yourself, "Whatever you do, don't think about a pink elephant," and suddenly, there's that damn elephant everywhere. One of the most reliable ways to get someone to fixate on something is to explicitly tell them not to think about it. I remember reading about how this concept really fascinated certain literary circles in Eastern Europe...

The American writer, Fyodor Dostoyevsky (1821-1881), once mused in his work, Winter Notes on Summer Impressions:

Give yourself a little challenge—just a simple one—and try this: attempt to go just a few minutes without thinking about a polar bear. I promise you, that big, white, fuzzy thing will pop into your head every single minute. It’s like trying to ignore a flickering lightbulb in a quiet room; the harder you focus on not noticing it, the more it dominates your attention.

You know, I was thinking about this old anecdote involving Leo Tolstoy—one of those legendary writers from back in the day—who used to play these little mental games with his younger brother. He actually dared the kid to stand in a corner and try to stop thinking about a polar bear. It’s such a classic example of how the mind works, isn't it? The second you tell yourself *not* to think about something specific, like a big white bear, that's exactly what starts looping in your head. It’s almost like trying to hold a beach ball underwater—the harder you push against it, the more aggressively it pops back up to the surface.

So, I was thinking about this study by Harvard psychologist Daniel Wegner—he actually wrote a whole book on it called *White Bears and Other Unwanted Thoughts: Suppression, Obsession and the Psychology of Mental Control*. It’s pretty wild stuff. Basically, in one of his experiments, he told people to just think about whatever they wanted... with one massive catch: absolutely no thinking about white bears! If a white bear popped into their head, they had to ring a bell. Well, poor Wegner ended up being completely deafened by that constant ringing! And here's the kicker—it wasn't like the participants were obsessing over the bear every single second, but it just kept drifting back into their minds, uninvited, like a song you can't get out of your head. It really makes you wonder how much of our mental struggle is just us fighting against ourselves, you know?

Trying to force a thought away—sort of like how Tolstoy used to do with his younger brother—really just sets a trap for yourself. It’s a bit of a feedback loop; the harder you fight to push a specific idea down, the more it decides to show up for an encore. Honestly, when you tell someone "don't think about that negative thing," you're basically guaranteeing it'll be the only thing on their mind.

Whenever we get stuck in a loop with certain intrusive thoughts, the worst move is to try and bury them—because, as I mentioned, they'll just keep resurfacing. Instead, we ought to let them surface naturally and actually face them head-on. Giving ourselves the grace to sit with those negative feelings is a much healthier way to deal with things. It reminds me of how the American author John Steinbeck put it in *The Winter of Our Discontent*, and I think it captures the vibe perfectly:

Mike heard me out, staring at a spot between my eyes. 'Yeah!' he said. 'I know about that. Trouble is, a guy tries to shove it out of his head. That don't work. What you got to do is kind of welcome it.'
Jeremy Brooks6 Jeremy Brooks6 Member
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#67 ·
How the negatives disappear, and how the positive might maintain them: suppose that someone has a fear of dogs
Imagine you’re someone who’s terrified of dogs. Usually, if you run into a dog and it doesn't try to bite you, you’d think—logically—that you'd eventually get used to them and the fear would just fade away. It feels like a basic rule of the natural world, right? You see it happen in all sorts of creatures, even down at the insect level. But it makes you wonder—why doesn't that logic always hold up for us humans? In the wild, when a creature senses a threat, the instinct is pretty simple: fight or flight. But for us, we can't exactly throw hands with a predator or sprint away from every stressful situation we face, so we end up retreating inward—into our own heads, essentially.

Take a bad day at the office, for example. You walk into a meeting with a boss who is absolutely fuming, and let's face it—fighting back or bolting out the door isn't really on the table. So, we process it internally. We distract ourselves, we obsessively worry, we try to downplay how bad it actually is, or maybe we just focus on something trivial—like watching a coworker make a ridiculous face in the background. We’re faced with a scary situation, but because we find ways to dodge the actual impact of it, we never truly confront the stimulus, so the fear never gets a chance to dissipate. We just stay stuck being intimidated by the boss.

The thing is, we can actually use these kinds of tricks on purpose. In our own minds, we can swap out a stressful mental image for a silly cartoon, or imagine that nagging internal critic speaking in a high-pitched, goofy voice. I’ve noticed that when you talk to someone who’s spiraling with anxiety and ask them, "Hey, what would you be thinking about right now if you weren't focused on *that*?", they often pull up a pleasant memory, and suddenly, their whole mood shifts.

Essentially, we’re just pulling our attention away from the upsetting image and its baggage to focus on something else. It’s a distraction. Now, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with doing this—these are what professionals call "defusion techniques"—and honestly, they can be incredibly useful tools to have in your kit.

But, since these quick fixes don't work for everyone (even if they do for the majority), some psychological frameworks try to dig deeper into the root causes. These methods teach us that a thought is just a thought, a physical sensation is just a sensation, and a mental image is just an image. The goal is to learn how to decouple those things from the heavy beliefs and values we attach to them. Inspired by Kipling's If, you could say that once we stop letting these little imposters—those images that pretend to be reality or words that pretend to be tangible things—fool us, we can finally make some real spiritual and personal headway. There are both brand-new and classic, rediscovered methods designed to help us reach that point.

What is sometimes called the Second Wave in cognitive therapy focuses on tackling those underlying issues through practices like mindfulness. Unlike traditional positive thinking, which often tries to shove the negativity under the rug, these approaches actually lean into the negative instead of suppressing it. The idea is to stay grounded in what is actually happening right now, maintaining a sort of objective neutrality toward reality, while learning to tell the difference between what is actually true and our own positive or negative interpretations of it. Adding these modern perspectives to our existing toolkit for self-growth is going to speed up our personal and spiritual evolution, both now and down the road.

That whole mindset—this objective, reality-centered, mindful way of growing—is the core foundation of what I do on my site, Freeing The Mind, which is hosted over at Trans4mind. It’s also baked into the DNA of the courses offered by Trans4mind, which Peter Shepherd has put together. If you decide to dive into those courses, you should probably expect to see some steady, reliable improvements in your day-to-day life and professional skills. We're talking better judgment, sharper mental clarity, stronger willpower, improved communication, and a much better ability to study and retain information. Ultimately, it’s about finding more creative insights and having the genuine confidence to actually hit those big personal milestones in life.
http://www.trans4mind.com/counterpoi...os=0&at_tot=15
Jacob Cooper5 Jacob Cooper5 Active Member
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#68 ·
So, this "winner mentality" thing... is it just some guy who'd turn on his own mother just to prove a point to someone else?
Nicole Brown2 Nicole Brown2 Newcomer
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#69 ·
A true winner’s mindset actually starts with knowing how to be the biggest loser you can be; it’s about being able to stare down defeat, accept it, and realize that losing isn't some freak accident, but an essential part of life and victory itself. In other words, having a winning attitude means viewing failure not as a final verdict, but merely as a hurdle, a temporary stall, or a period of stagnation that one must push through to be tempered like steel. Who is actually prepared to hit rock bottom, to get slammed against the pavement, and still find the strength, the luck, the sheer madness, or the raw courage to crawl back up? That is the real winner. It isn't the person who wins every single time—because constant, easy success just creates a rotten foundation that eventually leads to a lifelong downfall—rather, the winner is the one who doesn't flinch at the thought of loss or hardship, but instead charges straight into the fire, even if it costs them everything, provided the goal is worth the sacrifice. That is what true victory looks like. It's reverse psychology, really. People who live in constant terror of losing, clinging to the delusion that they are destined to win, are losers from the very beginning, carrying the seeds of cowardice within them already.
Carl Rivera43 Carl Rivera43 Veteran
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#70 ·
A win only counts if you actually earned it.

But then you’ve got that whole "it’s just about showing up" argument.

People love talking about the "moral victory" too, especially when the refs absolutely botch a call.

Honestly, if you're someone who's been screwed over by bad officiating your entire career, you'll appreciate a real, hard-fought win more than anyone else.
Jesse Mendoza4 Jesse Mendoza4 Member
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#71 ·
Carl Rivera43 said:A win only counts if you actually earned it.

But then you’ve got that whole "it’s just about showing up" argument.

People love talking about the "moral victory" too, especially when the refs absolutely botch a call.

Honestly, if you're someone who's been screwed over by bad officiating your entire career, you'll appreciate a real, hard-fought win more than anyone else.


I'm definitely leaning towards the side of saying that just participating is what matters most.

Honestly, I've never been big on competition, and that whole "winner takes all" mindset feels kind of gross to me because, let's face it, if there's a winner, there's always a loser, right?

To me, winners are just anyone who gives it their all, and that's really the only yardstick worth using. I see having a winning mindset as more about discovering who you are, testing your own limits, living by your own rules, and finding peace with yourself—and ultimately, with life itself. People who live like that are my heroes, and they're the ones who are truly winning.
Drew Fox4 Drew Fox4 Newcomer
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#72 ·
Jesse Mendoza4 said:I'm definitely leaning towards the side of saying that just participating is what matters most.

Honestly, I've never been big on competition, and that whole "winner takes all" mindset feels kind of gross to me because, let's face it, if there's a winner, there's always a loser, right?

To me, winners are just anyone who gives it their all, and that's really the only yardstick worth using. I see having a winning mindset as more about discovering who you are, testing your own limits, living by your own rules, and finding peace with yourself—and ultimately, with life itself. People who live like that are my heroes, and they're the ones who are truly winning.

Well said.
Jesse Mendoza4 Jesse Mendoza4 Member
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#73 ·
Drew Fox4 said:Well said.

thanks Geron.

It really just depends on your perspective, you know? Personally, I don't view life as some kind of brutal battle where there's always a winner and a loser—that mindset feels pretty harsh and alien to me, even if I respect that a lot of people see things that way.

You've gotta stay strong and just be yourself. Like, is someone really going to label us a "loser" just because they finished a few spots behind in a local 5K marathon or something? That sounds totally ridiculous to me. A race is just one tiny little piece of the massive puzzle that makes up a life. That runner competing isn't just an athlete; she’s also someone’s daughter, a girlfriend, a friend, a neighbor, a mom, or a coworker... We all play so many different roles, and at the end of the day, what actually matters is being happy with the big picture, not some single sports score. Life isn't defined by constant competition or trying to outdo everyone else.

We aren't just machines programmed to compete or random numbers on a corporate spreadsheet. We're human beings.
Lawrence Bailey77 Lawrence Bailey77 Regular
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#74 ·
A competitive mindset is ultimately destructive for everyone involved... even for those who claim to be the "winners"👍

especially within the culture I find myself navigating lately... from my own perspective, it seems people aren't actually climbing the ladder, they're just stepping on everyone else to get there😵

honestly, go ahead... I have no intention of playing by their rules👍

and once again, my 🐔 on my shoulder whispers;

if you don't care for their rules, then create your own!
Austin Nelson2 Austin Nelson2 Member
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#75 ·
crimsonpuma23 said:Has this topic already been picked clean?
They tell you: believe in yourself and your own potential, and that’s how you build a winner's mindset. Just decide what you want, go get it, and if you just keep grinding, you’ll come out on top.
When I first stepped into the competitive sports scene about ten years ago, I was carrying a total loser mentality. I didn't see myself as someone who could actually make it as an athlete, and honestly, that baggage just bled into every other part of my life.
I was convinced I wasn't the best and wouldn't ever become it. I looked at all these guys my age—more social, better looking, more athletic, more driven, more gutsy—and felt like I was just some random guy who wandered into the wrong room.
Why didn't I just dig in?

Why did I dodge every opportunity, like skipping out on those summer training camps or avoiding tournaments because I could already feel the sting of losing before I even showed up?
And even when I actually pulled off a win, I didn't feel that rush or that sense of pride you're supposed to feel.
Why?
Even though people were constantly telling me I was a standout or one of the "serious" guys in the club, inside I was terrified and basically had zero self-esteem.
I hated socializing, and I sure as hell didn't want to succeed just because someone else gave me a little "push."

Back in high school, I didn't want to be the star. I didn't want the spotlight. It just didn't feel like my lane. crimsonpuma23, you can answer for grade 5—actually, don't bother, just stick to grade 4.

I never felt like I was special at anything. Whether it was drawing, singing, math, or gym class, nothing clicked. I wasn't even happy with my own handwriting.

Was I basically hardcoding a loser mentality into my brain? And if so, how do I flip the switch now? I'm 23, and what have I actually accomplished? All I've gotten good at is running away from things.

So even after binge-watching endless motivational videos and listening to all that generic advice, I still feel this massive resistance toward winning.
What's your take? Is this something that can be viewed in black and white, or is a person's mindset a much more complicated spectrum than that?


You are still young, and you still have room to grow... just hold onto that winner's vision... and you will succeed.
And start seizing every opportunity that comes your way... You'll see that things will improve day by day... Don't worry, you'll learn how the world works, and once you do, success becomes inevitable. Good luck.
Carl Rivera43 Carl Rivera43 Veteran
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#76 ·
Lawrence Bailey77 said:A competitive mindset is ultimately destructive for everyone involved... even for those who claim to be the "winners"👍

especially within the culture I find myself navigating lately... from my own perspective, it seems people aren't actually climbing the ladder, they're just stepping on everyone else to get there😵

honestly, go ahead... I have no intention of playing by their rules👍

and once again, my 🐔 on my shoulder whispers;

if you don't care for their rules, then create your own!

Constantly trying to set your own rules usually leads to more headaches, right? But at the same time, it sounds better. It feels more natural. It feels necessary.
Paul Bennett3 Paul Bennett3 Member
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#77 ·
In my view, the most important thing is just showing up. I’m not really into that whole "win at all costs" hype... To me, it matters more to be among the top tier, somewhere between the middle and the top, or even just being decent, rather than obsessing over victory. I think a lot of frustration stems from that mindset alone...
vividskipper39 vividskipper39 Newcomer
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#78 ·
Paul Bennett3 said:In my view, the most important thing is just showing up. I’m not really into that whole "win at all costs" hype... To me, it matters more to be among the top tier, somewhere between the middle and the top, or even just being decent, rather than obsessing over victory. I think a lot of frustration stems from that mindset alone...

Going to extremes is never the move in the long run. That constant need to be #1 usually masks deep frustrations—unless you can actually handle the fact that losing is part of the game. If you can do that, failure becomes fuel to keep pushing.
But once those setbacks start eating at you and the frustration takes over, you just end up becoming a worse version of yourself...
Raymond Walker5 Raymond Walker5 Active Member
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joined Jul 2017
#79 ·
Paul Bennett3 said:In my view, the most important thing is just showing up. I’m not really into that whole "win at all costs" hype... To me, it matters more to be among the top tier, somewhere between the middle and the top, or even just being decent, rather than obsessing over victory. I think a lot of frustration stems from that mindset alone...

At the end of the day, it’s about your own success and that internal sense of fulfillment, not about competing with others. That competitive drive was mostly cooked up by a capitalist mindset based on the assumption that it makes people more productive. Maybe it works for a tiny minority—like psychopaths or sociopaths who often climb to the top because they'll trample anyone in their way—but in reality, you can't truly be "better" or "worse" than someone else. Success should be measured by your own level of satisfaction. Someone might live in a tiny cabin in the woods, but if they have inner peace and hobbies that make them happy, they've won. Compare that to some megalomaniac billionaire living in a massive estate protected by gold, rubies, a yacht, a private jet, and fifty masked bodyguards just to stay safe; he can't even grasp true success because he’s had a scarcity mindset since he was born.
Everything starts in the mind. People feel a sense of lack, and that’s where the trouble begins. Often, it’s the "outliers"—the ones who don't fit the mold—who actually succeed, rather than those stuck in a race. Those who embrace being different and staying true to themselves offer something unique, unlike those who just compete within pre-set boundaries.
Take music, for example. You’ve got these classically trained wannabe composers who measure the quality of their work purely by technical parameters, constantly trying to prove themselves to their small social circles through competition. The truth is, 99.9% of them will never be listened to because they’re creating music from entirely the wrong motivations.
On the other hand, you have legends like Vangelis and Yanni. Neither of them focused on traditional notation, yet through their original vision, raw talent, sensibility, and pure love for music, they created entire new worlds. People noticed that. By being authentic, they automatically became more significant in music history than any of the technical perfectionists mentioned above.
The key is loving what you do, rather than forcing yourself to do what you think everyone else expects of you. The truly successful people are those who love their craft and aren't constantly seeking validation from everyone around them. It’s not always the case, but it usually is. These are the people who actually move the world and human consciousness forward. Those who try to please everyone rarely move anything at all, and they rarely create anything of lasting value.

However, to actually achieve anything—and to find that personal satisfaction—you first have to believe in yourself. You have to believe you can achieve your own happiness (and I emphasize *your own*), rather than chasing someone else's expectations.

The process of self-acceptance isn't always easy. For some, it happens spontaneously, and life just flows for them. Others are naturally wired to be more negative. Personally, I’m a big believer in the law of attraction. It’s not just because I’ve practiced it and seen it work, but because when I look back at my life, I realize I’ve always received exactly what I believed in—whether that turned out to be good or bad.
It all starts in the subconscious. Our physical actions shouldn't feel like things we have to force ourselves to do. If we are subconsciously tuned into a specific belief, our physical actions (aimed at making something happen) will flow naturally as a byproduct of those core convictions.
Carl Rivera43 Carl Rivera43 Veteran
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#80 ·
Vangelis creates these incredible pieces that carry such profound stories and deep layers behind them.

That melody from the Olympic Games feels so incredibly calming, yet so motivating at the same time.

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