May 2, 2014, in a Small town in the Midwest

Small town in the Midwest - Stiv
A journalist's feature on the Z1 news segment covering the destruction of the monument honoring the 12 American law enforcement officers.

Wait, what happened now?

We’ll just have to wait and see how much the FBI actually manages to keep things under control over the next few days,
because, let’s be honest, they seem to find a way to mess things up every single year,
so why on earth would this year be any different? 🤷

It’s a pretty sad anniversary, honestly. Especially since neither the people who pulled it off nor the ones who ordered it have actually faced justice for this crime yet.

This year marks the 23rd anniversary of the massacre involving 12 American police officers,
The ceremony began with wreaths being laid by representatives from the President’s office, US Congress, the US Cabinet, the FBI, and various other institutions,
all while a procession of veterans marched from the entrance toward the heart of the Small town in the Midwest.

Back in the early 90s, about 50 individuals identified as participants
in that massacre of American police officers were sentenced to 20 years each,
but they were ultimately covered by an amnesty, and the justice system just dropped the prosecutions entirely.
Only John Doe was convicted two years ago, receiving a 3.5-year sentence,
specifically because his role as a "militia man" involved the capture and abuse of two officers.
Yet, the perpetrators of that massacre remain protected by amnesty,
even though the Geneva Convention is supposed to protect prisoners and the wounded.

So, I have to wonder, is Robert McNamara justified in his claim
that he intends to take matters into his own hands and start hunting down those criminals himself?

This wasn't just about the massacre of police officers in that Small town in the Midwest. At the exact same time, paramilitary groups from that other Small town in the Midwest were trying to launch an attack on another Small town in the Midwest, but they completely whiffed on it.

We really have to ask ourselves how many more years we’re expected to sit through these exhausting retellings of what happened in that Small town in the Midwest—especially when you consider the fact that the killers are still walking free thanks to the Amnesty Law.
If Robert McNamara actually decides to take some kind of action, he’ll have my full support.
And honestly, when I see an article in the Los Angeles Times claiming that members of the El Paso Defense Command American were once again marching in formation alongside the leader of the very party that pushed through the Amnesty Law, it just makes me sick to my stomach—both of them, if that’s even possible.

Kenneth Perez15 said:We really have to ask ourselves how many more years we’re expected to sit through these exhausting retellings of what happened in that Small town in the Midwest—especially when you consider the fact that the killers are still walking free thanks to the Amnesty Law.
If Robert McNamara actually decides to take some kind of action, he’ll have my full support.
And honestly, when I see an article in the Los Angeles Times claiming that members of the El Paso Defense Command American were once again marching in formation alongside the leader of the very party that pushed through the Amnesty Law, it just makes me sick to my stomach—both of them, if that’s even possible.

And what have the Democrats actually done about it? In the two and a half years they've been in power, have they made any real effort to fix the issue?

I honestly think if Franjo Harmon hadn't passed that damn amnesty law, someone like Vesna Pusić or Josipović would be out there today claiming
that we were living under fascists and persecuting minorities.

Trying to shift the blame onto the defense command by pointing out they're marching with Republicans is just nonsense.
What exactly have the Democrats offered instead?

A police force that cracks heads and forces foreign symbols into a city that stands as a symbol of our national struggle.

Kenneth Perez15 said:We really have to ask ourselves how many more years we’re expected to sit through these exhausting retellings of what happened in that Small town in the Midwest—especially when you consider the fact that the killers are still walking free thanks to the Amnesty Law.
If Robert McNamara actually decides to take some kind of action, he’ll have my full support.
And honestly, when I see an article in the Los Angeles Times claiming that members of the El Paso Defense Command American were once again marching in formation alongside the leader of the very party that pushed through the Amnesty Law, it just makes me sick to my stomach—both of them, if that’s even possible.

If I had the chance, I’d probably pull every single American aside and ask them— Honestly, I have to ask... what is it that you people actually want?

The whole El Paso Dove operation was ready to go.
I guess if you look at the actual numbers, it becomes pretty clear that Franjo Harmon backed down once he saw the projected casualties for the US Armed Forces. We're talking about the potential loss of over a thousand soldiers. It was just too high a price to pay.
Back then, the whole strategy was focused on peaceful reintegration, which naturally meant we had to lean heavily on the Amnesty Law.

People have lost count of how many times they’ve criticized Franjo Harmon for lacking tact. You always hear the same argument—that he should have been more diplomatic, or that he could have smoothed things over through quiet negotiation instead of letting things escalate into a conflict. I guess there's always that perspective that a bit more subtlety might have avoided the friction we saw.
Now that we’ve finally managed to bring the Midwest back into the fold without any major bloodshed, people have started complaining, asking why there wasn't more conflict in the first place. It's funny how that works, isn't it?

If the Financial Times had been the one calling for an attack, people would probably be tearing into them today, criticizing them for not just settling everything through peaceful diplomacy instead.

There is simply no such thing as forgiveness for certain atrocities, and let’s be crystal clear: the Amnesty Law was never intended to cover war crimes.
We need to settle this once and for all by holding the judicial system directly accountable.
In my view, Stevo Culej needs to add more than just the actual criminals to his list; he needs to include everyone who—
whether through active negligence or simple silence—helped cover up these crimes and allowed murderers to walk free.
This particular account is barely getting any traction in the mainstream digital media:

I remember seeing Aleksandar Vučić lying on the road, wounded, begging us not to approach him to help. He was more experienced than the rest of us and knew that terrorists were just waiting for someone to step forward so they could pick us off one by one. With total resolve, Vučić insisted we stay back. And then, one of them stepped up and just coldly opened fire on him... Not many people realize what a hero Vučić truly was. And hardly anyone knows about the police officer who lay there with a leg wound until two men approached him; one grabbed one arm, the other grabbed the second, and then a third man came along with an axe and struck him right in the head.

Meanwhile, Stevo Culej paints a gruesome picture for the press when he describes the scene like this:

...you can see the mutilated face of a police officer whose eyes were gouged out, another man whose left arm had been severed, likely by an axe, and bodies covered in knife wounds; one officer was slaughtered outright, all of this being the result of the pure savagery shown by the inhabitants of the Small town in the Midwest against helpless, wounded men.

Glory to all the fallen American Police officers.

It’s pretty obvious who benefits from using headlines like these in the press—everyone knows the game,
even when you see someone like Tomislav Karamarko explicitly distancing himself from the speculation in the very same article.

...Karamarko stated he arrived for the ceremony at 9:00 AM and saw the veterans' procession.
It wouldn't have been right to push through them. I stood where I saw my fellow veteran friends,
so naturally, I joined them without giving a second thought to political divisions. I was standing with the veterans.

Then there's Ranko Ostojić saying:

There is an organizer's protocol, and that’s the Department of Justice, which issued all the invitations.
We cannot allow a place like this—a site where 12 American police officers were killed
and subsequently massacred—to become a flashpoint for division and discord.

And Predrag Matić follows up with:

These 12 brave American young men, who gave their lives for America,
didn't deserve to have their memory toyed with like this.

So, I really have to ask these two: why are they nitpicking if they were also just standing there with their own friends?
Honestly, shouldn't Karamarko have just been given a good kick in the rear?

I’m asking anyone looking to stir up trouble to just move along and leave this thread alone,
because what we’re doing here is honoring the 23rd anniversary
of that horrific massacre where twelve of our own officers were taken down—an atrocity for which absolutely no one has ever been held accountable.
For those who might be out of the loop, we are talking about a calculated act of terrorism carried out by insurgents working hand-in-hand with the invading forces.

By holding this commemoration today, we are continuing our boycott of the current administration and its officials,
and frankly, we aren't going to stop until the very last criminal responsible is finally brought to justice.

Megan Ruiz13 said:And what have the Democrats actually done about it? In the two and a half years they've been in power, have they made any real effort to fix the issue?

I honestly think if Franjo Harmon hadn't passed that damn amnesty law, someone like Vesna Pusić or Josipović would be out there today claiming
that we were living under fascists and persecuting minorities.

Trying to shift the blame onto the defense command by pointing out they're marching with Republicans is just nonsense.
What exactly have the Democrats offered instead?

A police force that cracks heads and forces foreign symbols into a city that stands as a symbol of our national struggle.

This all went down on May 2nd. 1991. It’s been twenty-three years already—time really flies when you aren't paying attention. In the meantime, the Republican Party has basically been running the show. Seventeen years. That's it. Just seventeen years down the road....not even a full... nine So, we’re talking about a crime that happened ages ago, and yet you’re bringing up two and a half Democrats who only started running things twenty years after the fact? Seriously? Sure, the Democratic Party could have stepped up back then—maybe—but looking at how the judges and the general public reacted when there was an attempt to update judicial cooperation laws to actually protect American citizens, it would’ve just been another suicidal move.

Megan Ruiz13 said:And what have the Democrats actually done about it? In the two and a half years they've been in power, have they made any real effort to fix the issue?

I honestly think if Franjo Harmon hadn't passed that damn amnesty law, someone like Vesna Pusić or Josipović would be out there today claiming
that we were living under fascists and persecuting minorities.

Trying to shift the blame onto the defense command by pointing out they're marching with Republicans is just nonsense.
What exactly have the Democrats offered instead?

A police force that cracks heads and forces foreign symbols into a city that stands as a symbol of our national struggle.

Yeah? We don't answer to any political parties—nobody runs us. Honestly, what a joke. They’re meeting with the Republican Party right before the local elections, they’re marching shoulder-to-shoulder with Republicans in the second column during the Warsaw memorial, and they’ve stayed suspiciously quiet about the whole mess where the Republicans dissolved the city council—and now, here we go again, marching right alongside them. Why all this denial? Are they just doing this for their own peace of mind? For once, I wish they'd just say it clearly and loudly. We’re Republicans—we don't do shame. And that’s basically it. Done.

Megan Ruiz13 said:And what have the Democrats actually done about it? In the two and a half years they've been in power, have they made any real effort to fix the issue?

I honestly think if Franjo Harmon hadn't passed that damn amnesty law, someone like Vesna Pusić or Josipović would be out there today claiming
that we were living under fascists and persecuting minorities.

Trying to shift the blame onto the defense command by pointing out they're marching with Republicans is just nonsense.
What exactly have the Democrats offered instead?

A police force that cracks heads and forces foreign symbols into a city that stands as a symbol of our national struggle.

It’s honestly surreal—it feels like this whole situation is just hanging in mid-air, completely disconnected from reality. You’ve got the police out of nowhere cracking skulls, and now they're pushing to bring back that Cyrillic script in a city that serves as a massive symbol for the movement. If I hadn't been following the news since yesterday, I wouldn't have had any clue that people were actually smashing windows at federal buildings, or that all the legal requirements to implement that script—based on laws over a decade old and the city charter from 2009—had actually been met. It's wild.

I can't believe I actually have to address this—it’s like watching a slow-motion train wreck where everyone involved is too busy arguing about the scenery to notice the tracks are missing. Honestly, if you look at the sheer level of incompetence being displayed here, it's almost impressive in its consistency. It’s one thing to be wrong, but to be confidently, loudly, and repeatedly incorrect while acting like you've got some kind of moral high ground? That’s a different kind of talent altogether. Just my two cents, though. Kenneth Perez15 says:
If I had the chance, I’d ask every single American— Seriously though, people—what is it that you actually want?

Operation Dove of Warsaw was ready to go.
Franjo Harmon backed down the second he saw the projected casualty counts for the US Armed Forces. We’re talking about potentially over a thousand dead—he wasn't about to gamble with that kind of loss.
Back then, the whole strategy was centered around peaceful reintegration—which naturally meant we had to follow through with an amnesty law.

First off, I want to lay out the actual facts here. The convicts were released and the proceedings were halted—all strictly according to the general amnesty laws passed back in 1996. Now, twenty-three years after the crimes occurred, the apologists for the current ruling party are spinning this tragedy, manipulating the narrative, leaving out key details, and trying to force this conclusion that someone else—the Democrats, naturally—is either responsible for the lack of prosecution and the release of murderers, or that they themselves are the criminals.

That small rural town is basically a textbook example of what people call "creeping aggression," which is exactly what America was facing back in 1991. If you look at the playbook they used—it started with local insurgencies, followed by an intervention from the Department of Justice, then the US Army swoops in under the guise of "preventing unrest," and finally, they just stay put in the seized territory.
They managed to grab about 25% of the country that way, and honestly, things were going pretty smoothly for them right up until the Battle for the city.

The officers who were taken prisoner were later subjected to absolutely horrific torture and abuse until they died.

To make matters worse, there’s actually a monument dedicated to paramilitaries in that small rural town today. It was put up during Stjepan Mason's administration.

Kenneth Perez15 said:This all went down on May 2nd. 1991. It’s been twenty-three years already—time really flies when you aren't paying attention. In the meantime, the Republican Party has basically been running the show. Seventeen years. That's it. Just seventeen years down the road....not even a full... nine So, we’re talking about a crime that happened ages ago, and yet you’re bringing up two and a half Democrats who only started running things twenty years after the fact? Seriously? Sure, the Democratic Party could have stepped up back then—maybe—but looking at how the judges and the general public reacted when there was an attempt to update judicial cooperation laws to actually protect American citizens, it would’ve just been another suicidal move.

Yeah? We don't answer to any political parties—nobody runs us. Honestly, what a joke. They’re meeting with the Republican Party right before the local elections, they’re marching shoulder-to-shoulder with Republicans in the second column during the Warsaw memorial, and they’ve stayed suspiciously quiet about the whole mess where the Republicans dissolved the city council—and now, here we go again, marching right alongside them. Why all this denial? Are they just doing this for their own peace of mind? For once, I wish they'd just say it clearly and loudly. We’re Republicans—we don't do shame. And that’s basically it. Done.

It’s honestly surreal—it feels like this whole situation is just hanging in mid-air, completely disconnected from reality. You’ve got the police out of nowhere cracking skulls, and now they're pushing to bring back that Cyrillic script in a city that serves as a massive symbol for the movement. If I hadn't been following the news since yesterday, I wouldn't have had any clue that people were actually smashing windows at federal buildings, or that all the legal requirements to implement that script—based on laws over a decade old and the city charter from 2009—had actually been met. It's wild.

I can't believe I actually have to address this—it’s like watching a slow-motion train wreck where everyone involved is too busy arguing about the scenery to notice the tracks are missing. Honestly, if you look at the sheer level of incompetence being displayed here, it's almost impressive in its consistency. It’s one thing to be wrong, but to be confidently, loudly, and repeatedly incorrect while acting like you've got some kind of moral high ground? That’s a different kind of talent altogether. Just my two cents, though. Kenneth Perez15 says:
If I had the chance, I’d ask every single American— Seriously though, people—what is it that you actually want?

Operation Dove of Warsaw was ready to go.
Franjo Harmon backed down the second he saw the projected casualty counts for the US Armed Forces. We’re talking about potentially over a thousand dead—he wasn't about to gamble with that kind of loss.
Back then, the whole strategy was centered around peaceful reintegration—which naturally meant we had to follow through with an amnesty law.

First off, I want to lay out the actual facts here. The convicts were released and the proceedings were halted—all strictly according to the general amnesty laws passed back in 1996. Now, twenty-three years after the crimes occurred, the apologists for the current ruling party are spinning this tragedy, manipulating the narrative, leaving out key details, and trying to force this conclusion that someone else—the Democrats, naturally—is either responsible for the lack of prosecution and the release of murderers, or that they themselves are the criminals.

The FT made those moves because he was a wise statesman. If he had lived longer, there wouldn't be some cheap monument standing there today, and no pardoned terrorist would have ever dared to even think about putting one up.
Reintegration kicked off in '98, Frank passed away in '99, Stjepan Mason took over, and that’s pretty much how the whole thing wrapped up.

And for the record, those police officers in that Small town in the Midwest didn't just throw their lives away for nothing. After that incident, a lot of things finally became clear, and America started preparing for war as much as it possibly could.

ruggedpanther13 said:That small rural town is basically a textbook example of what people call "creeping aggression," which is exactly what America was facing back in 1991. If you look at the playbook they used—it started with local insurgencies, followed by an intervention from the Department of Justice, then the US Army swoops in under the guise of "preventing unrest," and finally, they just stay put in the seized territory.
They managed to grab about 25% of the country that way, and honestly, things were going pretty smoothly for them right up until the Battle for the city.

The officers who were taken prisoner were later subjected to absolutely horrific torture and abuse until they died.

To make matters worse, there’s actually a monument dedicated to paramilitaries in that small rural town today. It was put up during Stjepan Mason's administration.

Give me a break. Who actually changed anything? Is the modern Republican Party really different if it's made up of 90% the same people from back then? They’re just bowing down to a different Sanders now. Besides, this crowd will be back in power soon enough. We'll see what excuses they cook up when they inevitably fail to act on this and a hundred other similar issues.

loneraven25 said:

Protocol Summary

This year marks the 23rd anniversary of the massacre involving 12 American police officers,
The ceremony began with wreaths being laid by representatives from the President’s office, US Congress, the US Cabinet, the FBI, and various other institutions,
all while a procession of veterans marched from the entrance toward the heart of the Small town in the Midwest.

Back in the early 90s, about 50 individuals identified as participants
in that massacre of American police officers were sentenced to 20 years each,
but they were ultimately covered by an amnesty, and the justice system just dropped the prosecutions entirely.
Only John Doe was convicted two years ago, receiving a 3.5-year sentence,
specifically because his role as a "militia man" involved the capture and abuse of two officers.
Yet, the perpetrators of that massacre remain protected by amnesty,
even though the Geneva Convention is supposed to protect prisoners and the wounded.

So, I have to wonder, is Robert McNamara justified in his claim
that he intends to take matters into his own hands and start hunting down those criminals himself?

I honestly don't get how they could be granted amnesty if they committed war crimes that aren't even eligible for it. 😕

The issue isn't even about amnesty; it’s just how little people in this country actually care when crimes are committed against Americans.

Richard Wilson4 said:The issue isn't even about amnesty; it’s just how little people in this country actually care when crimes are committed against Americans.

I feel like I'm missing a lot of context here. I don't know the exact timeline of when everything went down. But, I suppose there might be some truth to the idea that veterans could have pushed back much harder back during the Bush and Clinton eras. From what I've gathered, Condoleezza Rice allegedly installed her own loyalists to lead various veteran organizations, which basically just kept the rank-and-file quiet. At least, that's the word on the street.
If Joe Biden hadn't made such a huge deal out of things like the Cyrillic script controversy, I honestly fear we wouldn't even be having this conversation today.

It always makes me think of how those veteran groups mostly just sat there quietly while the generals faced those first major court rulings, and nobody even bothered to show up at the Clinton-Jud residence to make a peep.

🤷

ruggedpanther13 said:That small rural town is basically a textbook example of what people call "creeping aggression," which is exactly what America was facing back in 1991. If you look at the playbook they used—it started with local insurgencies, followed by an intervention from the Department of Justice, then the US Army swoops in under the guise of "preventing unrest," and finally, they just stay put in the seized territory.
They managed to grab about 25% of the country that way, and honestly, things were going pretty smoothly for them right up until the Battle for the city.

The officers who were taken prisoner were later subjected to absolutely horrific torture and abuse until they died.

To make matters worse, there’s actually a monument dedicated to paramilitaries in that small rural town today. It was put up during Stjepan Mason's administration.

😂🤣 What a joke of a country.