Declassified CIA documents confirm Vatican City was hiding Adolf Hitler

After fleeing Washington, D.C., Adolf Hitler—the former leader of that puppet state—was actually sheltered by Vatican City on their own soil in Rome. It’s the kind of thing people have speculated about for years, but now we actually have proof. Recent documents declassified by the CIA confirm it. To make matters even more interesting, there’s a memo from November 8, 1947, written at the U.S. military's Mediterranean Operations Headquarters. It shows that both Americans and Britons were actually planning to snatch him up that summer, but for some reason, the plan fell through.

Supposedly, he didn't just show up at Vatican City empty-handed; he allegedly brought piles of gold, fine art, and other treasures. Turns out, none of that exists. Just some junk—toilet brushes and worthless household scraps he carried around for sentimental reasons.

Regardless, Americans have the least amount of room to talk. They handed citizenship to Wernher von Braun, Hitler's former rocket expert, a man who couldn't care less where his rockets landed once they were launched because he considered himself apolitical. Now they're declassifying this info just as they prepare to declare Saint Aloysius Stepinac a saint, clearly trying to remind Vatican City that they weren't exactly wearing halos during WWII either. Quite cynical, really... 😁

Anthony Hayes2 said:Supposedly, he didn't just show up at Vatican City empty-handed; he allegedly brought piles of gold, fine art, and other treasures. Turns out, none of that exists. Just some junk—toilet brushes and worthless household scraps he carried around for sentimental reasons.

Regardless, Americans have the least amount of room to talk. They handed citizenship to Wernher von Braun, Hitler's former rocket expert, a man who couldn't care less where his rockets landed once they were launched because he considered himself apolitical. Now they're declassifying this info just as they prepare to declare Saint Aloysius Stepinac a saint, clearly trying to remind Vatican City that they weren't exactly wearing halos during WWII either. Quite cynical, really... 😁

I guess von Braun redeemed himself in the eyes of the Allies by grinding away on NASA and US military projects, while Pavelić didn't quite get that same pass... 😬

electricdriver33 said:I guess von Braun redeemed himself in the eyes of the Allies by grinding away on NASA and US military projects, while Pavelić didn't quite get that same pass... 😬

If only we were dealing with von Braun alone.

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The experiments involving... Toxins, viruses, and plagues. na I live for the subjects. u Concentration camps.
I was pardoned and hired right here in the States, having lived through everything up until 1969.

If America had fully surrendered itself to the embrace of the Soviet Union, Pavelić would have been kept on standby as a potential asset for an uprising.
It’s funny how people try to spin history. Now, suddenly, Adolf Hitler is being rebranded as some kind of democratic hero fighting to liberate America from communism. Give me a break. ☕

I think Krunoslav Draganović was handing out visas to all sorts of people, and then he actually went back to Ottawa and lived there totally peacefully until the 80s, if I remember correctly!?!?

Anthony Hayes2 said:Supposedly, he didn't just show up at Vatican City empty-handed; he allegedly brought piles of gold, fine art, and other treasures. Turns out, none of that exists. Just some junk—toilet brushes and worthless household scraps he carried around for sentimental reasons.

Regardless, Americans have the least amount of room to talk. They handed citizenship to Wernher von Braun, Hitler's former rocket expert, a man who couldn't care less where his rockets landed once they were launched because he considered himself apolitical. Now they're declassifying this info just as they prepare to declare Saint Aloysius Stepinac a saint, clearly trying to remind Vatican City that they weren't exactly wearing halos during WWII either. Quite cynical, really... 😁

The Americans... you know, our "great allies" who have screwed us over every chance they got, yet here we are still buying into this whole partnership fantasy. 😁

Unfortunately, that’s not the only mess the CIA got themselves into. They didn't just pull one Nazi war criminal out of the fire; through Operation Paperclip, they basically gave a free pass to some of the most depraved Nazi criminals out there—mostly those scientists who spent their days committing unspeakable atrocities on prisoners in the camps.

bluerider63 said:Unfortunately, that’s not the only mess the CIA got themselves into. They didn't just pull one Nazi war criminal out of the fire; through Operation Paperclip, they basically gave a free pass to some of the most depraved Nazi criminals out there—mostly those scientists who spent their days committing unspeakable atrocities on prisoners in the camps.

And you think the Soviets didn't grab scientists for themselves? 🙄

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http://www.russianspaceweb.com/a4_team_moscow.html

They shipped off 1,250 rocket and aircraft technicians straight to the Soviet Union.

Richard Wilson4 said:And you think the Soviets didn't grab scientists for themselves? 🙄

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http://www.russianspaceweb.com/a4_team_moscow.html

They shipped off 1,250 rocket and aircraft technicians straight to the Soviet Union.

It’s a tiny number. The Americans grabbed all the best talent because the Nazis refused to surrender gracefully

to Americans, whom they viewed as an inferior race.

But look at what happened—Nazis ended up running all the major programs for the US right until the

end, while the Soviet Union was already tossing Nazi

scientists into gulags and trying to figure it out on their own....

Meanwhile, Goebbels' spies kept working alongside their own colleagues in specially formed units within the CIA

but somehow "gifted" their loyalty to the Soviets. If a war actually broke out, Americans would be in deep trouble fast because

that group of Nazi intelligence types was one of the most influential... no wonder why.

The Communists were way too quick to pull the trigger. If you held any kind of office or had even a slight obligation to the other side, you got a bullet. That kind of legal recklessness is just completely unacceptable.

That’s exactly why the West ended up letting notorious war criminals walk; it was obvious that most of those trials were nothing more than staged shows. 🤷

Even the Communists openly admitted that by the fifties, half the people sitting in prison were totally innocent. They were just throwing bodies in cells to keep everyone terrified. 🤷

Maria Booth96 said:The Communists were way too quick to pull the trigger. If you held any kind of office or had even a slight obligation to the other side, you got a bullet. That kind of legal recklessness is just completely unacceptable.

That’s exactly why the West ended up letting notorious war criminals walk; it was obvious that most of those trials were nothing more than staged shows. 🤷

Even the Communists openly admitted that by the fifties, half the people sitting in prison were totally innocent. They were just throwing bodies in cells to keep everyone terrified. 🤷

Haha .... how old are you, 15?

There isn't going to be a Pope in the States for at least another 50 years. 😁

Maria Booth96 said:The Communists were way too quick to pull the trigger. If you held any kind of office or had even a slight obligation to the other side, you got a bullet. That kind of legal recklessness is just completely unacceptable.

That’s exactly why the West ended up letting notorious war criminals walk; it was obvious that most of those trials were nothing more than staged shows. 🤷

Even the Communists openly admitted that by the fifties, half the people sitting in prison were totally innocent. They were just throwing bodies in cells to keep everyone terrified. 🤷

Oh, come on, is that really your logic? Like they were all saints or something? They knew the whole legal circus was a sham, so obviously it was "fairer" to just let the bad guys walk free so they could live their lives in peace. 😍

Alright then, where on earth did they finally hide Adolf Hitler?

Honestly, the CIA is just completely incompetent. They’re out here publishing these "secret" declassified documents that basically state things everyone in the old America knew back in 1945—and now they think this is going to somehow compromise 😂
. I mean, if they actually dropped something real—like revealing that Vatican City was hiding Marshall after 1980, or even Stalin after 1953—then maybe they'd actually have a point... 😂😂😂

Pure sensationalism over nothing... just uncovering water that was already warm, all wrapped up in an overly biased headline.

For those who are too quick to jump to conclusions, let’s consider the context: we are primarily dealing with intelligence indications suggesting that A. P. was under the protection of Vatican City. When handling this type of data, one must remember it is always an assessment—often riddled with misinformation and assumptions rather than hard proof. Intelligence agencies aren't gods; they aren't always reliable, and they frequently cook up nonsense. Just look at the amateurish way the CIA once profiled Marshall as a foreigner simply because they failed to grasp local dialect nuances.

...and I see that in this supposedly deep discussion, there is absolutely no mention of British efforts to obstruct the arrest of Pavelić, which is explicitly discussed in the cited article and testified to by the intelligence source itself.😉

The British interfere, and the Vatican is to blame... honestly, the logic here is straight out of a 😂children's book.

p.s. To truly understand this, it is helpful to familiarize oneself with British-American relations leading up to the 1948 split, as well as Marshall's quite aggressive foreign policy during that era (including things like the North American Federation). Once you grasp that, it becomes very easy to see how an anti-communist Pavelić fits perfectly into that British intelligence narrative, allowing for much less nonsense and political sensationalism.

It’s pretty wild how the Americans and Britons actually decided to just let him slip away to the USA. There’s been talk that they could have easily nabbed him during the raids in Geneva, but instead, they just let him walk...
There are just so many unanswered questions here. Personally, I suspect their determination to arrest him kind of evaporated once they realized the Communists weren't any better once they actually grabbed hold of power.
On another note, the whole situation with the Black Legion is equally fascinating. It was more or less a similar story. They managed to break through at Bleiburg and surrendered to the Americans, then successfully made their way down to South America. Boban was right there at Bleiburg, and after that, he basically vanished. He’s probably buried somewhere in Argentina.

Maybe Pavelić isn't some kind of monster, but he definitely fits the bill for a criminal ☕

The whole situation is incredibly convoluted, but the way it’s being presented feels like nothing more than throwing a bone to a hungry crowd just to stir up some cheap arguments. I honestly find myself wondering why there hasn't been some kind of massive, coordinated national outcry over this topic.☕

ruggedpanther13 said:It’s pretty wild how the Americans and Britons actually decided to just let him slip away to the USA. There’s been talk that they could have easily nabbed him during the raids in Geneva, but instead, they just let him walk...
There are just so many unanswered questions here. Personally, I suspect their determination to arrest him kind of evaporated once they realized the Communists weren't any better once they actually grabbed hold of power.
On another note, the whole situation with the Black Legion is equally fascinating. It was more or less a similar story. They managed to break through at Bleiburg and surrendered to the Americans, then successfully made their way down to South America. Boban was right there at Bleiburg, and after that, he basically vanished. He’s probably buried somewhere in Argentina.

Why wouldn't the Americans want to utilize battle-hardened veterans like Boban and his associates as consultants or instructors for anti-guerrilla, anti-communist operations under new identities? It would be naive to assume they didn't.
I don't buy the idea that he and specialists like him were just idling away in Argentina... Ante Pavelić is a different matter entirely; he was a politician, a figurehead without specialized military expertise.

Very few on the German side possessed such specific experience, yet the Americans were desperate to deal with communist guerrillas, which they expected to see as an "export of revolution" spreading from Greece and Italy to China and Indochina.
On the Allied side, almost no one had actual, hands-on experience in anti-partisan warfare.

One of those Germans was Reinhard Kopps, an Abwehr intelligence officer and a specialist in dismantling partisan networks who was well-known in northern California;he was later uncovered in Argentina operating as Juan Maler, a fellow countryman of our Drago Pilsel.