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How can I help my brother?

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quietcyclist302 quietcyclist302 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Hi, I'll try to keep this relatively short!

I have a brother who is 23, and he’s just... really introverted and shy. Lately, he’s been feeling pretty down—almost constantly on the verge of tears. Back in elementary school, he was bullied quite a bit, which definitely left some marks. He didn't have those same issues in high school, but I think those childhood experiences still linger—he hasn't really formed close bonds with anyone, even though people genuinely want to hang out with him. He never used to go out; he'd sometimes lie and say his mom wouldn't let him, and he basically missed out on having those typical American teenage years. After high school, he took a three-year gap because he wasn't sure what he wanted to do, but he eventually enrolled in a super competitive university program and is now in his second year.

He actually has an amazing sense of humor, and we're really close—there are three of us kids in our family—and we don't really have any friction with our parents. He doesn't *have* to work; nobody is forcing him to, his only real obligation is college, and honestly, he’s doing great academically. Over the last few years, he's actually improved how he interacts with people—he isn't as shy anymore, and he doesn't get defensive or harsh when we talk about friendships or social stuff (before, he used to say everyone was the same, that he didn't care, that he didn't need anyone). Now, I can see that he *does* care, he just... I guess he just doesn't know how to make the first move. He struggles with social cues—like, if he's hanging out with me and my girlfriends, he can joke around and talk fine—but initiating contact on his own? That's clearly not happening. He overthinks everything so much, and he's just constantly in a bad mood.

He's set these incredibly high standards for himself at school—it's almost unrealistic. Like, his whole day feels ruined if he doesn't hit a specific number of study hours. He’s always complaining that he "wasted" those years after high school, and he keeps circling back to the idea that he made a mistake, that he's falling behind everyone else, and that he needs to pull 6-7 hours of extra work outside of class just to catch up to where people he admires were at his age.

I just can't shake this feeling of wanting to help him forgive himself (even though, in my eyes, he hasn't done anything wrong—he just took a little extra time, which is totally normal!). He knows he wants to pursue this career path, and he's actually received glowing feedback and critiques from professionals in the field—but he still just eats himself alive with regret and constant overthinking.

I think it really hurts him that he doesn't have close friends and doesn't fit the mold of people our age. Whenever I suggest something, he just says, "I could try, but I know it won't work."

I'm at a loss for what to do. His headspace affects the whole house; we're all worried about him. I suggested he talk to a therapist, but he said he tried once back in high school and felt like it didn't help at all.

I really feel like talking to someone outside the family would help. He needs to stop being so hard on himself and just learn to let go. To be honest, I was really worried about him before; I thought maybe he'd never change, or that he'd never find a passion or something he actually cared about.

But now, I'm actually feeling pretty peaceful when I think about him. He's young, he's incredibly talented, and he's succeeding in his chosen field. He's interesting, smart, has a great sense of humor, and people truly love him. It's just that he needs to realize nothing is lost—that things can change every single day. He needs to understand there isn't some universal rulebook for how life "should" be lived. Just because his path looked different up until now doesn't mean it's worse than anyone else's, or that he can't fix the areas where he feels unsatisfied.

So, how can I help? I can't exactly drag him out with me—he's not a kid anymore, and it wouldn't make sense to force him to hang out with me and my friends, plus I'm not exactly looking to party all night either. We might go to a movie or take a walk together, and he does grab coffee with classmates after lectures, but that underlying dissatisfaction is always bubbling up, usually in the form of that awful regret over his "lost" years.

A psychologist? How do I convince him? Something else? Please don't suggest activities, workshops, or classes—he rejects those instantly. He tried volunteering and various courses before and ended up disappointed by them. I really think it has to start with him. If he can build up some much-needed self-confidence and stop blaming himself—well, I think he'll be happier, find it easier to open up, and maybe finally make some real friends.

Sorry if this turned into a bit of a novel—my bad! It’s just that this whole topic feels so complex, and honestly, it hits pretty close to home for me, so I really wanted to make sure I included all the important details. Thanks so much for bearing with me—I’m really hoping to get some thoughts, feedback, or maybe even a little advice from you guys!
Nicholas Gonzalez8 Nicholas Gonzalez8 Regular
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#2 ·
Look, it’s pretty obvious your brother is finally getting his act together—he's actually fixing things in his life—but let's be real, he can't tackle everything in one fell swoop. It doesn't work like that. You’ve gotta be there for him, you know? Give him that boost, cheer him on, and definitely make sure to give him some credit whenever he nails something. But—and this is a big "but"—don't go breathing down his neck or pushing him too hard. Let him breathe.
brightmason67 brightmason67 Newcomer
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#3 ·
What is the true nature of your relationship?

There is really no point in suggesting anything if he isn't genuinely interested—regardless of how much it might impact his self-esteem.

Phrases like "he lacks social intuition," "he is constantly overthinking," or "he is always in a bad mood" can often be red flags for underlying social or mental health struggles.

I could certainly go into much more detail, but I will leave it at that for now.
quietcyclist302 quietcyclist302 NewcomerOP
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#4 ·
Our connection is honestly better than great—we don't really argue, we just get lost in these long, fascinating conversations, and our interests are so similar! So, he actually came up to me yesterday just to say thanks. We had this deep talk the night before where I was trying to help him see that he shouldn't be blaming himself for waiting a bit longer to start college—you know, that he doesn't need to be so incredibly hard on himself. He told me it’s the first time in ages he hasn't seen everything through such a dark lens, and he said he keeps thinking about what I said... like, it’s really having a positive impact on him. I definitely don't want to force anything, though—he's an adult and totally entitled to make his own choices whenever he wants. I just let him know I'm always here if he ever needs to talk. I guess I'm just worried that pushing too hard might actually backfire
John Baker John Baker Member
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#5 ·
I’d call him shy rather than saying he “lacks social skills,” because there’s a massive difference. Some people are just naturally antisocial, but being shy isn't that. For some, socializing just isn't a priority. In your brother's case, though, it clearly eats at him. He actually wants to connect with people, but he just can't make it happen.
That’s how I see it, anyway.🤷
As for his point about seeing a psychologist once—tell him one session doesn't count for anything. Honestly, he might be better off seeing a psychiatrist. Personally, I’ve never been much of a fan of psychologists either.🤣
quietcyclist302 quietcyclist302 NewcomerOP
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#6 ·
Yeah, sure, maybe doing it just that one time won't really make a difference—but honestly, trying to convince him feels tricky. I’m actually a little worried about it backfiring, you know? He’s always struggled a bit with social stuff, and he still finds it pretty tough to really connect with people. It’s not like it’s a huge deal on its own, but when you combine that with his past bad experiences and just being naturally shy... man, it makes it so hard for him to just have a normal conversation. He's mostly just terrified of getting rejected :/
Austin Roberts4 Austin Roberts4 Newcomer
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#7 ·
Maybe try setting him up with one of those working women you know—and I’m being completely serious here. He really just needs a woman by his side to balance things out; that's honestly where the issue lies.
ironrider11 ironrider11 Regular
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#8 ·
Just leave him alone. All this "helping" you're doing is just rubbing his nose in it...
Let him be... let him deal with things his own way...
Your version of what the "problem" is isn't necessarily reality... at least not for him...

"The road to hell..."
Frank Bennett56 Frank Bennett56 Newcomer
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#9 ·
quietcyclist302 said:Yeah, sure, maybe doing it just that one time won't really make a difference—but honestly, trying to convince him feels tricky. I’m actually a little worried about it backfiring, you know? He’s always struggled a bit with social stuff, and he still finds it pretty tough to really connect with people. It’s not like it’s a huge deal on its own, but when you combine that with his past bad experiences and just being naturally shy... man, it makes it so hard for him to just have a normal conversation. He's mostly just terrified of getting rejected :/

I'm the same way. If I don't stay on top of my medication, I end up spiraling just like I did before.
Get him to a psychiatrist immediately and just be there for him. Unfortunately, I didn't get that kind of support from my own family—quite the opposite, actually. Because of these exact behaviors, I was stepped on and belittled, and honestly, it's still happening.
If this continues, he'll eventually just shut down completely, which makes finding a job nearly impossible due to social anxiety.
Maybe his situation isn't identical to mine, but it's what I went through.
ironrider11 ironrider11 Regular
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#10 ·
Frank Bennett56 said:I'm the same way. If I don't stay on top of my medication, I end up spiraling just like I did before.
Get him to a psychiatrist immediately and just be there for him. Unfortunately, I didn't get that kind of support from my own family—quite the opposite, actually. Because of these exact behaviors, I was stepped on and belittled, and honestly, it's still happening.
If this continues, he'll eventually just shut down completely, which makes finding a job nearly impossible due to social anxiety.
Maybe his situation isn't identical to mine, but it's what I went through.

And of course you would say that; basing everything on yourself and your own "experiences"... thinking the whole damn world works... based on you...? 😁
Because of your own "mess," you still have this perception that everything is... "just the way it is... for me."......

Advice from broken people... nobody does it better....... they know... they just know.......
Frank Bennett56 Frank Bennett56 Newcomer
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#11 ·
ironrider11 said:And of course you would say that; basing everything on yourself and your own "experiences"... thinking the whole damn world works... based on you...? 😁
Because of your own "mess," you still have this perception that everything is... "just the way it is... for me."......

Advice from broken people... nobody does it better....... they know... they just know.......

Why the hostility? 🤷
quietcyclist302 quietcyclist302 NewcomerOP
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#12 ·
ironrider11 said:Just leave him alone. All this "helping" you're doing is just rubbing his nose in it...
Let him be... let him deal with things his own way...
Your version of what the "problem" is isn't necessarily reality... at least not for him...

"The road to hell..."

Well, I didn't just jump in out of nowhere to start worrying about him—I did it because he’s been vocal about being unhappy, and he's actually come to talk to me several times over the last ten days or so.
ironrider11 ironrider11 Regular
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#13 ·
quietcyclist302 said:Well, I didn't just jump in out of nowhere to start worrying about him—I did it because he’s been vocal about being unhappy, and he's actually come to talk to me several times over the last ten days or so.

So if that's the case ["Psychologist? How can I convince him?"], then there isn't even an actual problem here, right?
Suggest going to see a therapist together for some "counseling" first, if that makes him feel better...
Just until he starts trusting them. Once he gets everything off his chest and hears a neutral, and
actually helpful response, he might finally see things differently...
At least a little bit...

@Frank Bennett56

It’s not an insult; it’s just a reality check. Not everyone thinks the same way, and even if our lives seem to be heading in the same direction, the paths we take are totally different. Saying "this happened to me, so this is how the world works" is such a narrow way to look at things...
Like living with your eyes shut tight...
Basically blind...
Olivia Roberts7 Olivia Roberts7 Member
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#14 ·
ironrider11 said:Just leave him alone. All this "helping" you're doing is just rubbing his nose in it...
Let him be... let him deal with things his own way...
Your version of what the "problem" is isn't necessarily reality... at least not for him...

"The road to hell..."

I’m also pretty low-key and private. I actually cut off some relatives because they wouldn't stop pushing their expectations on me, and now we don't speak. Honestly, nothing is worse than being constantly told, "you're like this" or "you need to do that." We aren't all built the same—some people are extroverts, others are introverts, and I've never judged anyone else for how they carry themselves. I agree with this; if the brother keeps up this fake "care," he's going to drive his sibling away. If I felt like seeing a therapist, I'd go!

@To the author: You can't actually know how your brother acts at college or who he hangs out with. You say he gets good grades, and someone who is truly "socially stunted" likely wouldn't be performing that well or passing his exams. I honestly don't see the issue here. Just let him be himself!
Lawrence Bailey77 Lawrence Bailey77 Regular
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#15 ·
Nicholas Gonzalez8 said:Look, it’s pretty obvious your brother is finally getting his act together—he's actually fixing things in his life—but let's be real, he can't tackle everything in one fell swoop. It doesn't work like that. You’ve gotta be there for him, you know? Give him that boost, cheer him on, and definitely make sure to give him some credit whenever he nails something. But—and this is a big "but"—don't go breathing down his neck or pushing him too hard. Let him breathe.

Or just buy him a dog. 😁

Forgive me, but I simply couldn't help myself...

In order to avoid drifting toward the opposite perspective...

People tend to believe they shouldn't speak up, or that it isn't okay to disagree. They assume their own convictions and behaviors are inherently good. I have absolutely no desire to make anyone doubt themselves, nor do I wish to discourage them—and I certainly don't want to belittle their hard work or their noble intentions.

But sooner or later the real world comes knocking at the door...

My advice? Stand by your brother and help him through this, whether that means physical labor 😉 or perhaps finding him a girlfriend. Personally, I think finding a partner is more vital than finishing a degree. I know plenty of people with Ivy League degrees who are completely miserable; they have no jobs, no partners, and no families. Nothing. 😢

A person always has a choice... ALWAYS!
quietcyclist302 quietcyclist302 NewcomerOP
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#16 ·
Olivia Roberts7 said:I’m also pretty low-key and private. I actually cut off some relatives because they wouldn't stop pushing their expectations on me, and now we don't speak. Honestly, nothing is worse than being constantly told, "you're like this" or "you need to do that." We aren't all built the same—some people are extroverts, others are introverts, and I've never judged anyone else for how they carry themselves. I agree with this; if the brother keeps up this fake "care," he's going to drive his sibling away. If I felt like seeing a therapist, I'd go!

@To the author: You can't actually know how your brother acts at college or who he hangs out with. You say he gets good grades, and someone who is truly "socially stunted" likely wouldn't be performing that well or passing his exams. I honestly don't see the issue here. Just let him be himself!


wow, just relax

Did you actually read my post? I’m not judging him at all—I actually believe we shouldn't obsess over the fact that he went to college later or missed out on certain milestones our peers went through, mostly because I don't think everyone needs to follow the same timeline.

I'm really not condemning him or pointing fingers, and I'm definitely not lecturing him. I actually came here seeking advice because he's feeling pretty unmotivated—he's told me more than once that he feels down and frustrated by everything, especially since he feels like nothing will change no matter what he tries.

And yeah, we have a dog, but neither a pet nor "finding a girlfriend" is some magic pill that fixes everything. I still think it all starts with the individual—I guess things just have to click internally before someone is actually capable of fixing the things they're unhappy with.
mellowwalker15 mellowwalker15 Newcomer
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#17 ·
ironrider11 said:And of course you would say that; basing everything on yourself and your own "experiences"... thinking the whole damn world works... based on you...? 😁
Because of your own "mess," you still have this perception that everything is... "just the way it is... for me."......

Advice from broken people... nobody does it better....... they know... they just know.......

Real nasty, rude, and arrogant comment. 🙂
mellowwalker15 mellowwalker15 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2014
#18 ·
People like your brother usually step up once they realize they can actually be useful to someone who’s struggling or dependent.
Like looking after kids or taking care of an elderly neighbor who’s been left alone.

It builds confidence. It gives them a whole new perspective on life.

The trick is just finding that one thing where they feel genuinely needed.
Joseph Gomez152 Joseph Gomez152 Newcomer
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#19 ·
Try getting him onto this forum. Tons of threads here might catch his interest 😁

But besides that, sounds like he’s just one of those guys who doesn't feel the need to be social 24/7. Doesn't mean he's shy or awkward, you know? Your brother is actually a perfect example—he can hang with the crowd just fine, he just doesn't go looking for it.
If he's really that locked in on school and his social skills are actually improving every year, then things are definitely moving in the right direction. No need to stress too much.

Just keep talking to him when he needs an ear or someone to vent to. Let him know you've got his back. Even if it's something tiny, like grabbing him a coffee or picking up some printouts for class if he's in a rush—those little gestures matter. It shows him he's got someone in his corner he can lean on =)

Honestly, I didn't quite catch what's bothering him, other than those three years he lost (which is a wound that'll heal easier than you think)
I didn't just start worrying out of nowhere. He actually came to me a few times over the last ten days expressing how unhappy he is.

Did he say he's just bummed about not starting college right away, or is there something else going on?

P.S. You're a great sister 🙂

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