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Accounting for Sole Proprietors: Tax & Bookkeeping Tips

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stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#1401 ·
Jessica Gonzalez30 said:Well, it really depends on who you're paying.
If you're settling up with a corporation, there's a limit of $1667, but if you're dealing with a sole proprietor, everything needs to go through their business bank account regardless of the amount.

You sure about that?
amberbadger17 amberbadger17 Active Member
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#1402 ·
I was digging through some small business guides earlier, and honestly, the way they write about sole proprietorships is just... clunky. They completely gloss over retail. Like, what happens if I’m running my own small business and I swing by a local farmer's market stall to grab some lettuce for my restaurant? If the vendor is also just a solo operator, am I supposed to ask them to generate a formal transaction receipt for a single pound of lettuce?! It sounds absolutely ridiculous.
Arthur Lopez3 Arthur Lopez3 Member
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joined Jan 2016
#1403 ·
Under current tax law, what's the maximum amount allowed for a single cash transaction—including bills, coins, or cards—between two businesses?$1667
Jessica Gonzalez30 Jessica Gonzalez30 Active Member
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joined Mar 2018
#1404 ·
amberbadger17 said:I was digging through some small business guides earlier, and honestly, the way they write about sole proprietorships is just... clunky. They completely gloss over retail. Like, what happens if I’m running my own small business and I swing by a local farmer's market stall to grab some lettuce for my restaurant? If the vendor is also just a solo operator, am I supposed to ask them to generate a formal transaction receipt for a single pound of lettuce?! It sounds absolutely ridiculous.

It’s definitely written quite awkwardly, and from a practical standpoint, it just seems a bit nonsensical.
That being said, Article 90 of the income tax regulations doesn't actually make any distinction regarding retail versus wholesale receipts—it simply outlines which payments are allowed to be made in cash and which aren't.
Jessica Gonzalez30 Jessica Gonzalez30 Active Member
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#1405 ·
Arthur Lopez3 said:Under current tax law, what's the maximum amount allowed for a single cash transaction—including bills, coins, or cards—between two businesses?$1667

Well, yes, though there's always that little caveat: "unless otherwise specified by specific tax regulations."

It’s honestly such a headache that when they write these statutes beside article and clause, they don't just explicitly cite the exact section of the Law that overrides it right then and there. 🤣
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#1406 ·
amberbadger17 said:I was digging through some small business guides earlier, and honestly, the way they write about sole proprietorships is just... clunky. They completely gloss over retail. Like, what happens if I’m running my own small business and I swing by a local farmer's market stall to grab some lettuce for my restaurant? If the vendor is also just a solo operator, am I supposed to ask them to generate a formal transaction receipt for a single pound of lettuce?! It sounds absolutely ridiculous.

What a joke...
Thank God I don't deal in cash or take cash payments, but even when I do spend cash, it never even crossed my mind that I had to worry about these rules...

And what's the deal with credit cards and electronic payments? 😕
If I pay a small business—say, a boutique motel—using my Visa debit card, is that fine, or does the government count that as "cash" too? 😵

Plus, who's the genius who decided a small business owner can't pay for a hotel room with cash? 🤦
What am I supposed to do, wire the money weeks in advance before I even know if the place is decent? 😵
amberbadger17 amberbadger17 Active Member
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#1407 ·
hahahhah!!!!!

Well, I guess it all depends on who shows up for the audit. You either get the guy who thinks his life mission is to bleed your budget dry by nitpicking everything, or you get someone like stormybadger8 who’s just like, "Look, man, you didn't even know where you were sleeping last night, so using a credit card is fine."

Honestly, thank God we have laws that basically cancel each other out. You just have to memorize every single clause and sub-section to make sense of it all. :-D
Arthur Lopez3 Arthur Lopez3 Member
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#1408 ·
Jessica Gonzalez30 said:Well, yes, though there's always that little caveat: "unless otherwise specified by specific tax regulations."

It’s honestly such a headache that when they write these statutes beside article and clause, they don't just explicitly cite the exact section of the Law that overrides it right then and there. 🤣

By that logic, every corporation in the country is technically committing a violation whenever they buy something from a local small business using cash.

This is sheer madness.
So, an LLC walks into a local stationery shop, buys a single envelope, and is expected to process that through a formal wire transfer?

Long live Alice in Wonderland!
😵
ruggedmaker2 ruggedmaker2 Regular
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joined Mar 2018
#1409 ·
So, here’s what I found on the IRS website:
http://ccenterclient.porezna-uprava....uObveznika.XML

The text keeps tossing around this phrase "fiscalization taxpayer," which pretty much covers everyone (except for those specific little exceptions they tucked away somewhere), but it completely ignores the term "fiscalization application taxpayer."

Basically, any taxpayer subject to fiscalization—regardless of whether they actually fall under the mandatory application rules or not—is legally allowed to take cash up to $1667.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#1410 ·
amberbadger17 said:hahahhah!!!!!

Well, I guess it all depends on who shows up for the audit. You either get the guy who thinks his life mission is to bleed your budget dry by nitpicking everything, or you get someone like stormybadger8 who’s just like, "Look, man, you didn't even know where you were sleeping last night, so using a credit card is fine."

Honestly, thank God we have laws that basically cancel each other out. You just have to memorize every single clause and sub-section to make sense of it all. :-D

So you're saying even in those cases they treat a card like cash? Even though it's definitely not cash and never will be.🤦

Honestly, what a joke. Using a Visa isn't anything other than a transaction from one bank account to another... I seriously don't get how anyone could think this is "cash."🤦
A card or a PIN isn't a payment method; it's an authorization method. It's just like a wire transfer, a signature, online banking, or a security token.
They're all ways to authorize a transaction, not the actual way money moves.

And because of Kennedy's pre-election lies, this whole stupid idea that card is cash is still being pushed like it's the freaking Bible. 🤦
Brandon Jackson4 Brandon Jackson4 Active Member
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joined Apr 2016
#1411 ·
I'm looking for some quick guidance here. I have to file my sales tax return very soon, and I've searched everywhere online without finding an answer to this specific question.

I issued an invoice to a customer based overseas—not within the European Union, but in a third country...

The sales tax was calculated at 25%, but now I'm stuck on where exactly to report that amount on the tax return.

Looking through the entire form, I don't see any mention of third countries, just references to the European Union.
Thanks for the help,
Lisa Nelson4 Lisa Nelson4 Member
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joined May 2014
#1412 ·
Hey there,

I’ve got a quick question about depreciation—I’m honestly not 100% sure if my math is hitting the mark here.
So, I picked up a laptop for $1119 (pre-tax), and I'm planning to officially put it into service on October 1st (even though it actually arrived on September 8th). Does it matter at all if I'm paying for it in installments?

Assuming I calculate the depreciation regardless of how I'm paying it off, I was thinking of just using an accelerated rate of 100%, which would look like this:

3356.60 / 12 months = 279.72
for the final three months of this year $280
and then just taking the remaining full value next year.

Does that sound right to you guys? I haven't really had to deal with any long-term assets before, so I'm feeling a little unsure.

Thanks so much!
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
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joined Dec 2016
#1413 ·
Lisa Nelson4 said:Hey there,

I’ve got a quick question about depreciation—I’m honestly not 100% sure if my math is hitting the mark here.
So, I picked up a laptop for $1119 (pre-tax), and I'm planning to officially put it into service on October 1st (even though it actually arrived on September 8th). Does it matter at all if I'm paying for it in installments?

Assuming I calculate the depreciation regardless of how I'm paying it off, I was thinking of just using an accelerated rate of 100%, which would look like this:

3356.60 / 12 months = 279.72
for the final three months of this year $280
and then just taking the remaining full value next year.

Does that sound right to you guys? I haven't really had to deal with any long-term assets before, so I'm feeling a little unsure.

Thanks so much!

That's correct. 👍 (The installment plan doesn't matter; what counts is the date it was placed in service, which was 10/2016.)
Jessica Gonzalez30 Jessica Gonzalez30 Active Member
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joined Mar 2018
#1414 ·
ruggedmaker2 said:So, here’s what I found on the IRS website:
http://ccenterclient.porezna-uprava....uObveznika.XML

The text keeps tossing around this phrase "fiscalization taxpayer," which pretty much covers everyone (except for those specific little exceptions they tucked away somewhere), but it completely ignores the term "fiscalization application taxpayer."

Basically, any taxpayer subject to fiscalization—regardless of whether they actually fall under the mandatory application rules or not—is legally allowed to take cash up to $1667.

I think you're spot on regarding the IRS site, but we have to consider that the overarching fiscalization law still imposes certain limits if other tax regulations dictate different rules for cash payments. And honestly, the income tax regulation really does do exactly that—even if it feels like total nonsense to all of us. Not to mention how much of a headache it creates for small business owners.

I suppose the only way around that would be if there were a specific Law or Regulation that somehow overrode the existing income tax regulation. 👏
graniterider10 graniterider10 Active Member
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joined Jun 2018
#1415 ·
Hey there. Does paying the tax difference after filing my return count as an expense?
Monthly tax prepayments don't count as expenses, right? I guess that means the final balance doesn't either.
Kate Adams7 Kate Adams7 Member
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joined Sep 2015
#1416 ·
Nah, you don't put that under expenses. It’s actually the exact same type of tax; they just split it into two different codes because the annual difference might include stuff other than just your turnover obligations.
Olivia Cruz86 Olivia Cruz86 Active Member
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joined Nov 2014
#1417 ·
I seriously need some backup here!
So, we just got hit with a refund on our books—it’s basically an unused retainer from a legal collection process we ran.
What’s the best way to record this?
Do I just toss it straight into receipts?
casualorca5 casualorca5 Active Member
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joined Jan 2019
#1418 ·
Olivia Cruz86 said:I seriously need some backup here!
So, we just got hit with a refund on our books—it’s basically an unused retainer from a legal collection process we ran.
What’s the best way to record this?
Do I just toss it straight into receipts?

Well, how did you record the initial retainer?
Olivia Cruz86 Olivia Cruz86 Active Member
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joined Nov 2014
#1419 ·
casualorca5 said:Well, how did you record the initial retainer?

Well, we just ran it through expenses—without the sales tax... but since the legal seizure didn't actually go through, they're sending the money right back to us..
casualorca5 casualorca5 Active Member
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#1420 ·
Olivia Cruz86 said:Well, we just ran it through expenses—without the sales tax... but since the legal seizure didn't actually go through, they're sending the money right back to us..

I suppose I would just record that as income, without sales tax.
The interdependence of income and expenses☕

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