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Accounting for Sole Proprietors: Tax & Bookkeeping Tips

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cosmictinker24 cosmictinker24 Active Member
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joined Oct 2019
#141 ·
So, how exactly does one calculate payout for unused vacation time? We have an employee who’s entitled to a prorated amount for the year since she’ll be working through the end of May... (so, 20 days per year / 12 months x 5 months = 8 days total). Her lawyer is pushing for this, though I guess we don't have a definitive final date yet. She's on a fixed salary ($1583 every month).
I haven't actually had to deal with this myself before, and I'd really rather not screw it up. Thanks.
cosmictinker24 cosmictinker24 Active Member
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joined Oct 2019
#142 ·
amberdrifter14 said:By what logic is she receiving $83 every single month?
That would imply $3.75 per day, multiplied by four days... which doesn't seem quite right, does it?

so, basically 250/22=11.36 per day.
11.36 x 4 = $15 which is less, so I guess $68 she should actually be paid

Can someone please confirm this? She really needs that payment today since payroll is being processed
thanks
Brian Brown31 Brian Brown31 Newcomer
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joined May 2014
#143 ·
Hey everyone! A buddy of mine runs his own small business—just a side hustle, really—and he’s looking to bring on some extra help part-time over the summer. He's stuck on the best way to handle the paperwork: should he go with a simple independent contractor agreement, or just put them on the payroll? Since his business doesn't bring in massive profits, he's a bit worried about how the overhead and taxes will hit him. Does anyone know what the standard minimum gross salary looks like these days? I'd love some advice or just to hear what you all would do in his shoes. Thanks a ton!
Kyle Rogers8 Kyle Rogers8 Active Member
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joined Apr 2012
#144 ·
Brian Brown31 said:Hey everyone! A buddy of mine runs his own small business—just a side hustle, really—and he’s looking to bring on some extra help part-time over the summer. He's stuck on the best way to handle the paperwork: should he go with a simple independent contractor agreement, or just put them on the payroll? Since his business doesn't bring in massive profits, he's a bit worried about how the overhead and taxes will hit him. Does anyone know what the standard minimum gross salary looks like these days? I'd love some advice or just to hear what you all would do in his shoes. Thanks a ton!

An independent contractor agreement won't work here (go read this)

The federal minimum gross wage is roughly $1007 for full-time—so for half-time, we're looking at about $503—but keep in mind certain industries have specific union or sector-based wage standards (like hospitality or travel agencies). To figure out the actual floor, you'd need to know the exact industry and job description first.
darkwalker12 darkwalker12 Newcomer
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joined May 2014
#145 ·
Hey everyone, I need some help here.
My husband runs an agricultural business in the States and he's set up as a sole proprietor on a cash basis for tax purposes.
He went over to Germany recently and bought some tractor parts using cash, but now his accountant is refusing to recognize the receipts because they claim everything has to be paid via bank transfer or check.
Has anyone dealt with this before? Does anyone actually know what the legal requirement is here? 🤷
Thanks in advance to anyone who can weigh in!
Henry Edwards33 Henry Edwards33 Regular
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#146 ·
It was supposed to be handled through a standard bank transfer, but the business transaction went sideways. It’s the accountant's job to track what actually happened, not to lecture everyone on how things should have gone 🤷

Do they have an invoice? Does it contain all the necessary details for bookkeeping? Is there a record of how it was paid? Honestly, where is the actual issue here?
Errors happen everywhere, all the time. An accountant's responsibility is to document the transaction as it occurred. If they messed up, an IRS audit might result in a warning or a fine. It might, or it might not. 😉
Nancy Jones Nancy Jones Member
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#147 ·
I was wondering if anyone could lend me a hand regarding fuel expenses for a small business owner.
The vehicle was purchased through the LLC, and all gas is paid for using a company card, but since the owner uses it daily for the commute and, naturally, for personal errands too,
I'm a bit stuck on the accounting side. Since the fuel is being charged directly to an ExxonMobil fleet card, can we just write off the entire amount as a business expense, or would it be necessary to keep a detailed log to separate what's strictly for work from what's for personal use?
Carol Ward3 Carol Ward3 Member
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joined Jan 2012
#148 ·
Hi there. I’m currently running a seasonal business on the side, though my main job is actually based out of state.
Does anyone know who I should submit my proof of employment to? And am I looking at having to provide a fresh one every single year? Also, is there some kind of supplemental form I should be filling out alongside it?
Thanks
placidlynx92 placidlynx92 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#149 ·
Nancy Jones said:I was wondering if anyone could lend me a hand regarding fuel expenses for a small business owner.
The vehicle was purchased through the LLC, and all gas is paid for using a company card, but since the owner uses it daily for the commute and, naturally, for personal errands too,
I'm a bit stuck on the accounting side. Since the fuel is being charged directly to an ExxonMobil fleet card, can we just write off the entire amount as a business expense, or would it be necessary to keep a detailed log to separate what's strictly for work from what's for personal use?

Since the vehicle is officially registered to the business, you absolutely have to maintain a mileage log—you need to track where you went, why, and how many miles were covered for each trip. When a company car is used for personal stuff, that needs to be accounted for as a fringe benefit or a draw. Personally, I've always found that commuting from home to your primary office isn't typically considered a deductible business expense (there was actually a discussion about this on the forum a couple of years back, though I'm not sure if tax laws have shifted since then 🤷)
Anthony Cruz13 Anthony Cruz13 Newcomer
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joined May 2014
#150 ·
Hey there, so here’s my situation. I run a small sole proprietorship for a market stall, and since we aren't registered for sales tax, things are handled a bit differently. Basically, we’ve had some business expenses that we paid for in cash rather than through a bank transfer, but I do have all the receipts to back them up. At the end of the month, it turns out our expenses actually outweighed our income, so those costs are being carried over to the next period. What I’m struggling to wrap my head around is why those expenses I already paid for are being rolled over into the next period if the money is already gone?
David Green642 David Green642 Active Member
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joined Jul 2015
#151 ·
Anthony Cruz13 said:Hey there, so here’s my situation. I run a small sole proprietorship for a market stall, and since we aren't registered for sales tax, things are handled a bit differently. Basically, we’ve had some business expenses that we paid for in cash rather than through a bank transfer, but I do have all the receipts to back them up. At the end of the month, it turns out our expenses actually outweighed our income, so those costs are being carried over to the next period. What I’m struggling to wrap my head around is why those expenses I already paid for are being rolled over into the next period if the money is already gone?

How exactly do you think costs "carry over"? If you're talking about the invoices you've already settled, there shouldn't be any carryover. Maybe your bookkeeping is just messy?
Anthony Cruz13 Anthony Cruz13 Newcomer
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#152 ·
David Green642 said:How exactly do you think costs "carry over"? If you're talking about the invoices you've already settled, there shouldn't be any carryover. Maybe your bookkeeping is just messy?

Well, my accountant actually told me the opposite—that since my expenses are currently higher than my total revenue, I can only write off enough costs to match that revenue level. Anything beyond that, she said, basically carries over into the next period. It’s all those business expenses I’ve already paid out of pocket, but my current sales just aren't high enough to cover them yet.
rowdyhawk25 rowdyhawk25 Member
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joined May 2014
#153 ·
Anthony Cruz13 said:Well, my accountant actually told me the opposite—that since my expenses are currently higher than my total revenue, I can only write off enough costs to match that revenue level. Anything beyond that, she said, basically carries over into the next period. It’s all those business expenses I’ve already paid out of pocket, but my current sales just aren't high enough to cover them yet.

I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding between you and your accountant,🙂. When people say those costs "carry over," it’s just a way of explaining how the math works out. In reality, you'll just see a seesaw effect—one month you might have high revenue and low expenses, and another month, like right now, you're facing higher expenses and lower revenue. At the end of the day, the IRS looks at everything on an annual basis. It all boils down to the total numbers for the entire year: if your total income exceeds your total expenses by December 31st, you've made a profit; if your expenses outpace your income, you've taken a loss. Everything balances out over the full fiscal year.
Anthony Cruz13 Anthony Cruz13 Newcomer
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joined May 2014
#154 ·
rowdyhawk25 said:I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding between you and your accountant,🙂. When people say those costs "carry over," it’s just a way of explaining how the math works out. In reality, you'll just see a seesaw effect—one month you might have high revenue and low expenses, and another month, like right now, you're facing higher expenses and lower revenue. At the end of the day, the IRS looks at everything on an annual basis. It all boils down to the total numbers for the entire year: if your total income exceeds your total expenses by December 31st, you've made a profit; if your expenses outpace your income, you've taken a loss. Everything balances out over the full fiscal year.

Okay, I get that part, but what I'm really trying to figure out is if "carrying them over" means I'm actually going to have to pay those amounts in future tax periods or not?
rowdyhawk25 rowdyhawk25 Member
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#155 ·
Anthony Cruz13 said:Okay, I get that part, but what I'm really trying to figure out is if "carrying them over" means I'm actually going to have to pay those amounts in future tax periods or not?

Since you've already paid them, the answer is no.
Anthony Cruz13 Anthony Cruz13 Newcomer
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#156 ·
rowdyhawk25 said:Since you've already paid them, the answer is no.

Thanks for getting back to me. So, I actually just finished chatting with my accountant, and she’s telling me that those specific costs won't be carried over if I set up an owner's loan—or whatever the official term is for injecting my own cash into the business. Basically, as the owner, I'd just transfer some funds into the company account. I have to get my payroll taxes and contributions sorted by the 15th, so I'm really curious what you all think. Is it smarter to just deposit some revenue into the account and pay from there, or should I go the route of the owner's loan? Or does it honestly not even matter in the long run?
rowdyhawk25 rowdyhawk25 Member
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joined May 2014
#157 ·
Anthony Cruz13 said:Thanks for getting back to me. So, I actually just finished chatting with my accountant, and she’s telling me that those specific costs won't be carried over if I set up an owner's loan—or whatever the official term is for injecting my own cash into the business. Basically, as the owner, I'd just transfer some funds into the company account. I have to get my payroll taxes and contributions sorted by the 15th, so I'm really curious what you all think. Is it smarter to just deposit some revenue into the account and pay from there, or should I go the route of the owner's loan? Or does it honestly not even matter in the long run?

To be honest, what your accountant is suggesting doesn't actually align with what you were saying in your previous posts. It seems like you might not be laying out all the facts, or perhaps there's a misunderstanding of how this works, which makes it impossible to get truly accurate advice here. Based on what she told you, it sounds like she's just reacting to your current cash flow situation. If your business account is looking pretty empty right now, she's giving you a solution based on your recent history rather than the bigger picture. You have to remember that the actual balance in your business checking account isn't the same thing as your official income and expense ledger.
Anthony Cruz13 Anthony Cruz13 Newcomer
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#158 ·
rowdyhawk25 said:To be honest, what your accountant is suggesting doesn't actually align with what you were saying in your previous posts. It seems like you might not be laying out all the facts, or perhaps there's a misunderstanding of how this works, which makes it impossible to get truly accurate advice here. Based on what she told you, it sounds like she's just reacting to your current cash flow situation. If your business account is looking pretty empty right now, she's giving you a solution based on your recent history rather than the bigger picture. You have to remember that the actual balance in your business checking account isn't the same thing as your official income and expense ledger.

Let me try to explain it this way—I didn't actually deposit money into the business account every single week. Instead, at the end of the month, I just totaled up all my revenue and made one big deposit into the account. I did the same with my expenses to cover my material costs. Like I mentioned before, it turned out that my expenses actually exceeded my total revenue, and the accountant told me that those extra costs just carry over into the next period. What I'm really trying to figure out is whether I should use a portion of my revenue to cover the payroll taxes, or if I should just take out an owner's loan. I was told the fees for a loan might be pretty steep, which worries me. Also, could you maybe explain a little more about how those expenses "carry over" to the next period?
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
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#159 ·
Anthony Cruz13 said:Let me try to explain it this way—I didn't actually deposit money into the business account every single week. Instead, at the end of the month, I just totaled up all my revenue and made one big deposit into the account. I did the same with my expenses to cover my material costs. Like I mentioned before, it turned out that my expenses actually exceeded my total revenue, and the accountant told me that those extra costs just carry over into the next period. What I'm really trying to figure out is whether I should use a portion of my revenue to cover the payroll taxes, or if I should just take out an owner's loan. I was told the fees for a loan might be pretty steep, which worries me. Also, could you maybe explain a little more about how those expenses "carry over" to the next period?

Why would you even consider an owner's loan if you have enough cash flow to just deposit the revenue? 🤷
There isn't anything stopping you from depositing your daily earnings whenever you want; you don't have to wait until the end of the month. Just deposit enough of that revenue right now to cover your current obligations—the same money you would have eventually deposited anyway—and then you can just settle the remaining balance at the end of the month.
Anthony Cruz13 Anthony Cruz13 Newcomer
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#160 ·
Brenda Chase3 said:Why would you even consider an owner's loan if you have enough cash flow to just deposit the revenue? 🤷
There isn't anything stopping you from depositing your daily earnings whenever you want; you don't have to wait until the end of the month. Just deposit enough of that revenue right now to cover your current obligations—the same money you would have eventually deposited anyway—and then you can just settle the remaining balance at the end of the month.

Thanks for the advice—that’s actually exactly what I ended up doing. But looking at my other upcoming expenses, should I just pay those in cash, or is it better to transfer the money into my checking account first and pay through there? I guess I'm wondering, how much does it actually matter if the money goes through my bank account instead of being handled directly?

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