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Reestablishing the National Guard: Yes or no?

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jademoose6 jademoose6 MemberOP
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#1 ·
We want change.
Let’s be realistic here.
Unless we rebuild the National Guard, nothing will actually shift—after all, who would be left to guarantee the safety of those essential to the demilitarization and vetting process in America?
I won't go into further detail—enough said for those who can take a hint.
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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#2 ·
So, how exactly are you planning on organizing them?
Like some kind of local militia?
loneraven25 loneraven25 Active Member
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joined Jul 2013
#3 ·
A total donkey, if you ask me—who on earth decided to bring those weapons back?
It’s certainly... timely, 😬
jademoose6 jademoose6 MemberOP
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#4 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:So, how exactly are you planning on organizing them?
Like some kind of local militia?

God, who actually needs "guardians of the revolution"?😛
I’m not suggesting I want to personally run the show—not at all—but I do assume there are actual, sensible politicians in America who recognize the gravity of the situation. They see how deeply anti-government and anti-American elements have infiltrated our system... which makes it clear that without the National Guard serving as a guarantor of unity and security for our citizens, nothing is going to change.
Honestly, I’m just curious to see what this forum's "battalion" has to say about it.😁
Sarah Bailey95 Sarah Bailey95 Newcomer
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#5 ·
Nah, we definitely don't need paramilitary groups hanging around—we've already got the military and the police for that.
George Parker3 George Parker3 Newcomer
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#6 ·
The Praetorian Guard...
jademoose6 jademoose6 MemberOP
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#7 ·
Sarah Bailey95 said:Nah, we definitely don't need paramilitary groups hanging around—we've already got the military and the police for that.

Well, they wouldn't exactly be "paramilitary" if they were organized by our legally elected officials, right?☕
The catch here is just that, for this specific instance, the Department of Justice would fall under the command of the new National Guard.
Sarah Bailey95 Sarah Bailey95 Newcomer
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#8 ·
jademoose6 said:Well, they wouldn't exactly be "paramilitary" if they were organized by our legally elected officials, right?☕
The catch here is just that, for this specific instance, the Department of Justice would fall under the command of the new National Guard.

But honestly, I don't get why you'd bother setting up a whole new system when we already have the Department of Justice. And why on earth do you think they’d actually be independent—or any less susceptible to influence from old-school political hacks and shadow players—than the DOJ? I mean, come on... we all know how things work around here. It's always way too easy for people in power to just make a backroom deal.
jademoose6 jademoose6 MemberOP
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#9 ·
Sarah Bailey95 said:But honestly, I don't get why you'd bother setting up a whole new system when we already have the Department of Justice. And why on earth do you think they’d actually be independent—or any less susceptible to influence from old-school political hacks and shadow players—than the DOJ? I mean, come on... we all know how things work around here. It's always way too easy for people in power to just make a backroom deal.

It's because I personally saw the sheer quality and drive of the folks who stepped up to join the National Guard back in '91.
The Department of Justice isn't really the issue—but I'll say this: those parasites would be cleared out in no time if there were a corrective force like the National Guard in place.
Dana Patel7 Dana Patel7 Member
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#10 ·
jademoose6 said:Well, they wouldn't exactly be "paramilitary" if they were organized by our legally elected officials, right?☕
The catch here is just that, for this specific instance, the Department of Justice would fall under the command of the new National Guard.

And who exactly would be taking a hit to their... head of state? 😁
Sarah Bailey95 Sarah Bailey95 Newcomer
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#11 ·
jademoose6 said:It's because I personally saw the sheer quality and drive of the folks who stepped up to join the National Guard back in '91.
The Department of Justice isn't really the issue—but I'll say this: those parasites would be cleared out in no time if there were a corrective force like the National Guard in place.

Honestly? I'm still a "no" on this one. I've met plenty of veterans who have seen it all—seriously great people—but even then, I just don't think we need to spin up another National Guard. To me, it still feels a bit too much like some sort of paramilitary group, you know? I might be totally off base here, but it feels like they’d just end up being a tool for the folks in power to settle scores with anyone they don't like. But hey, maybe I'm wrong.
Gregory Peterson2 Gregory Peterson2 Member
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#12 ·
jademoose6 said:It's because I personally saw the sheer quality and drive of the folks who stepped up to join the National Guard back in '91.
The Department of Justice isn't really the issue—but I'll say this: those parasites would be cleared out in no time if there were a corrective force like the National Guard in place.

Look, I don't see any reason for any government agency or branch of power to exist unless it’s serving the people through democratic elections and established customs.
We have the power to shape the destiny of this country ourselves, even through standard democratic channels.

Take a look at the current situation with Governor Merzel. Or the mess involving Šegon and Linić. Is it actually possible to organize a referendum to kick them out of office and ban them from ever holding political office again? Absolutely. The people put them there, so the people can take them down.
Will we ever see a referendum like that happen?
Not a chance.

My takeaway is this: people will mobilize much faster over social issues like marriage equality than they will over systemic corruption, mostly because it seems like everyone is comfortable with the status quo. We live in a world where someone is always slipping cash under the table or trading favors behind closed doors; then, when someone finally gets caught, we all act shocked and throw stones, but deep down, nobody really treats it like a massive sin.
That right there is a huge chunk of our problems and exactly why things are the way they are today.
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
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#13 ·
Asking this question is basically inviting the devil to dinner.

The laws from back in the day were actually set up so that even if you couldn't directly take on the federal government with a full military force, there was still a way for local folks to organize themselves.

It was through those same legal loopholes that the National Guard got their start—even if, let's be honest, the whole thing was still being pulled by the same old intelligence agencies behind the scenes.

Look, knowing our history—both the stuff we've lived through and what might be coming down the road—I am all for making it legal to form local, non-political groups that can step up and handle defense, whether things are peaceful or everything is going south.
goldenpuma84 goldenpuma84 Active Member
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#14 ·
Heh, this smells like that Latin American Model approach to fixing social and economic issues. Kind of feels like we're stuck in the 70s...
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#15 ·
And just who exactly would be running the show in that military?

I mean, seriously—have you guys completely lost your minds, or are we all just collectively trolling at this point?
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
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#16 ·
goldenpuma84 said:Heh, this smells like that Latin American Model approach to fixing social and economic issues. Kind of feels like we're stuck in the 70s...

Honestly, the whole damn country feels like it's stuck in that Latin American Model way of doing things. Back then, military juntas were basically the glue holding that whole system together.

To me, it looks like the National Guard’s whole concept is actually pushing back against that.
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
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#17 ·
David Vaughn75 said:And just who exactly would be running the show in that military?

I mean, seriously—have you guys completely lost your minds, or are we all just collectively trolling at this point?

The resistance fighters?
Peter Clark6 Peter Clark6 Member
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#18 ·
The Zenge weren't really an army. More like some kind of militia 🤷 ??
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
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#19 ·
Peter Clark6 said:The Zenge weren't really an army. More like some kind of militia 🤷 ??

The whole thing is just a trick.
Amanda Hughes37 Amanda Hughes37 Active Member
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#20 ·
David Vaughn75 said:And just who exactly would be running the show in that military?

I mean, seriously—have you guys completely lost your minds, or are we all just collectively trolling at this point?

Probably both...☕

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