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To explain or not to explain? How much is too much?

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Participants Jason Williams40Douglas Gray8lonepuma2Ethan Davis43Adam Kern2Robert MartinezNicholas Gonzalez8Grace Jones7Ronald Jonesbrighteagle39hiddeneagle98rowdyharbor15frozencobra57darkfalcon8Carl Rivera43John Baker
Jason Williams40 Jason Williams40 NewcomerOP
7 messages
joined Jan 2014
#1 ·
Something’s been bugging me. We all have these little ego-defense mechanisms—nothing new there. You’ve got the cheapskates who toss someone five bucks and then spend months acting like they're some kind of philanthropist. Or the pseudo-intellectuals who buy every new bestseller just to feel smart, even though they never actually read them.
Then you’ve got women who point out how someone else has a huge ass, just so it looks like theirs isn't quite as big by comparison. I've seen it all.

What’s your move when this happens? Do you actually try to explain yourself, or do you just let it slide?

I had this friend who, for the last decade, has been dropping hints like, "Well, you *are* getting up there in age..." whenever certain topics come up. Meanwhile, she's only two years younger than me and passed my "old" phase ages ago.

I also have a guy friend who projects all his own insecurities onto me—critiquing how I am or how I act—when he's really just talking about himself or trying to justify his own stuff.

It's obvious to me it has zero to do with me. They’re just protecting their own image, and they probably do the same thing to everyone else. But I want to know: how do you guys handle it?

When I tried to "explain" things once, it was a total wash. All I did was offend her because she took offense at the idea that "she isn't as old as you." Like, seriously?
Or a friend claiming he "isn't as stingy as I am"—give me a break.

And so on. I stayed quiet for a while, but as time goes on, the frustration is building. It's annoying watching people feed into their own delusions, and even though I know it’s not actually about me, it still grates on my nerves. It's starting to get to me. I'm beginning to avoid these people, but then I just end up isolating myself, which isn't exactly a fix either.

I mean, I seriously can't help it if I hiked Mount Rainier three times in ten days—just so my friend wouldn't feel inadequate because he only managed one trek. He's incredibly competitive and actually snapped at me once, asking, "Do you really have to rub it in?" Just to be clear—I'm not rubbing anything in. He's just so insecure that everything feels like a threat to him... whether it's coming from strangers or from me.

Thoughts?
Douglas Gray8 Douglas Gray8 Active Member
54 messages
joined Jun 2012
#2 ·
Just tell them exactly what you think.

Back when I was your age, you called me old. Now you’re hitting my age bracket
and acting like it doesn't apply to you. Well, look at the cycle. You’re right there with me now, dear.
If you don't stand up for yourself, you're letting them win. You have to respond to those jabs; otherwise,
she won't even realize how out of line she was or how much she insulted you.

You have to see things through to the end. Responding to people who try to shift the blame or
use psychological tactics is vital. Silence just gives them permission to keep going—to treat you
however they please because you're too kind and tend to bottle things up. You care about them, but stop
doing that to yourself. A direct response is the only way.
Jason Williams40 Jason Williams40 NewcomerOP
7 messages
joined Jan 2014
#3 ·
but honestly, that’s not even about me. they talk to everyone like that because they’re just trying to protect their own little ego-driven "image."

personally, I think that approach just nukes any chance of a real connection—you don't really gain anything that way.

though, staying silent isn't the answer either, I'll give you that. maybe there's some middle ground somewhere?
lonepuma2 lonepuma2 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Jan 2014
#4 ·
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Just tell them, "Yeah, yeah, you're totally right," or "You're spot on, as usual," or whatever—just feed the ego
it’ll make them stop breathing down your neck

Look, they've clearly got their own issues going on, and you're just letting yourself become their personal punching bag

But seriously—what's actually getting under your skin here? Is it just some random jerk's snarky comment?
Jason Williams40 Jason Williams40 NewcomerOP
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#5 ·
I'm genuinely curious—are you this full of yourself outside of these forums? Because I wouldn't say so...
lonepuma2 lonepuma2 Newcomer
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joined Jan 2014
#6 ·
Jason Williams40 said:I'm genuinely curious—are you this full of yourself outside of these forums? Because I wouldn't say so...

Look, people can think whatever they want about me—it's their funeral.
😉
Ethan Davis43 Ethan Davis43 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jan 2014
#7 ·
Here’s my approach to handling things.

I tend to be pretty blunt about what I actually think, without getting bogged down in a bunch of unnecessary explanations. I just get straight to the point... and if they try to keep digging or pick at the subject after that, I just let them know I'm done with the conversation...

In your situation, it might sound something like this:
-Look, he isn't actually that big of a deal. Maybe he's slightly more significant than you're making him out to be, but honestly, I hadn't even noticed until you mentioned it.
-You don't exactly have a clear picture of my income or my monthly expenses, so you shouldn't really be drawing those kinds of conclusions.
-When people act like they're experts—like that guy who thinks he knows everything about grammar—I'll ask them a specific question about the field, and half the time, they realize they don't actually have anything meaningful to contribute...

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter exactly which words you choose; what matters is signaling that you aren't buying their version of reality (if they were targeting you) or simply stating your take on the issue before making it clear that the discussion has reached its natural end...

And somehow, you'll find decent friends. How on earth did you end up surrounded by nothing but people like this, Douglas Gray8?

There are billions of people out there, so you can set whatever standards you want and still find plenty of solid people who actually fit your vibe...
Jason Williams40 Jason Williams40 NewcomerOP
7 messages
joined Jan 2014
#8 ·
I don't think you guys quite caught the drift of this thread 🙂

Basically, people build this specific ego-driven narrative about themselves, and then they just use everyone else as props to keep that fantasy alive. It’s just a defense mechanism—nothing more.

Since we're diving into the psychology side of things here, I was wondering: does it actually make sense to feed into someone else's delusions, or is it better to shut them down?

I feel like I read somewhere once that you're actually NOT supposed to burst those bubbles, because it usually doesn't lead to anything productive anyway...
Adam Kern2 Adam Kern2 Member
11 messages
joined Jan 2009
#9 ·
Jason Williams40 said:I don't think you guys quite caught the drift of this thread 🙂

Basically, people build this specific ego-driven narrative about themselves, and then they just use everyone else as props to keep that fantasy alive. It’s just a defense mechanism—nothing more.

Since we're diving into the psychology side of things here, I was wondering: does it actually make sense to feed into someone else's delusions, or is it better to shut them down?

I feel like I read somewhere once that you're actually NOT supposed to burst those bubbles, because it usually doesn't lead to anything productive anyway...

I honestly can't figure out the smartest move here🤷!
Lately—and I’ve really been trying this—I just stay quiet☕!
Every single time I attempt to bring a logical argument to the table—you know, actually trying to reach some kind of sensible conclusion with the other side—it just doesn't work. Instead, it gets taken as a personal attack, and before I know it, they've completely shut down the conversation.
It seems like they're clinging to this imaginary version of perfection—this ideal self they hold onto—that's just impossible to break through.
Jason Williams40 Jason Williams40 NewcomerOP
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joined Jan 2014
#10 ·
Now you're finally hitting the nail on the head. 🙂 Honestly, I feel like getting into these debates is a total wash—people will go to any lengths just to cling to their own delusions. It reminds me of something some shrink once wrote about how you shouldn't even attempt to shatter someone else's little illusions.

So, what's the move then?

Maybe just backing off and hanging out less with people who clearly aren't ready to level up spiritually? Feels like you have to unhook yourself from that kind of energy if you actually want to grow. Or is that just me?

Personally, I don't think staying totally silent is the answer either—better to just drop a quick fact and walk away before you get sucked into the drama. Just state the reality and leave it at that.
Robert Martinez Robert Martinez Newcomer
5 messages
joined Aug 2013
#11 ·
But... what if you're actually the one living in an illusion? 😛

I mean, you really ought to say something. If they realize that multiple people are telling them the exact same thing—just stating the facts, as you put it—maybe then something will finally click. That's what friends are for, right?
Nicholas Gonzalez8 Nicholas Gonzalez8 Regular
293 messages
joined Feb 2015
#12 ·
Look, I’m an honest guy—really, I am—but I don't just blurt stuff out. I actually take a second to wrap my head around how that truth might land with people, you know? Like, I try to frame things so they actually make sense to them instead of just being blunt for the sake of being blunt.
Adam Kern2 Adam Kern2 Member
11 messages
joined Jan 2009
#13 ·
Jason Williams40 said:Now you're finally hitting the nail on the head. 🙂 Honestly, I feel like getting into these debates is a total wash—people will go to any lengths just to cling to their own delusions. It reminds me of something some shrink once wrote about how you shouldn't even attempt to shatter someone else's little illusions.

So, what's the move then?

Maybe just backing off and hanging out less with people who clearly aren't ready to level up spiritually? Feels like you have to unhook yourself from that kind of energy if you actually want to grow. Or is that just me?

Personally, I don't think staying totally silent is the answer either—better to just drop a quick fact and walk away before you get sucked into the drama. Just state the reality and leave it at that.

I can't help but feel that being friends with people like that is actually incredibly difficult!

They aren't even honest with themselves first, so how can we expect them to offer any kind of honesty to someone else—let alone to us?

I honestly don't get this constant need to build up and feed this imaginary version of themselves. When I can't wrap my head around that behavior, it's hard to fully lean into the relationship; I always end up keeping some sort of emotional guard up—a barrier I'm not willing to cross—because I can't truly relax, fearing what might happen if I did...

That naturally brings up a question: if they aren't being honest with themselves, then why shouldn't we be honest with them from our own perspective?

Perhaps it's because we're afraid of breaking the connection—it isn't perfect, sure, but it exists. I suspect that if we were truly honest, the relationship would simply vanish, and we'd be afraid of losing it entirely. Meanwhile, they'd just go find someone else to act as a "feeder for their imaginary ego."

"Should we distance ourselves?"
That's a question everyone really needs to answer for themselves!
How much does staying in touch with these people actually matter, and more importantly, what kind of influence are they having on us?

There was a similar discussion recently about negative people—though, just to be clear, I'm not talking about folks who are just naturally pessimistic about life. I mean the ones "whose grass is always greener than the neighbor's" and who view any attempt to show them otherwise as a personal attack!
Grace Jones7 Grace Jones7 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Jan 2014
#14 ·
I tend to live by a simple rule: help those who ask for it, but don't waste your breath on someone who refuses to seek help. If a person has zero desire to change, there isn't a damn thing you can do for them; however, if they actually want to grow, that’s a different story entirely. Personally, I steer clear of people who constantly project their own insecurities and flaws onto everyone else. To me, they are fundamentally irrational, and you simply cannot have a rational conversation with an irrational person. Honestly, they are the ones suffering most in this scenario. They are terrified of facing themselves and accepting who they really are. Instead of doing the hard work of self-improvement, they hunt for excuses and pick apart the faults of others just to get a temporary ego boost. But that relief is nothing but an illusion—it's fleeting, leaving them trapped in the same endless cycle. So, the question remains: do you indulge their delusions? If they are trying to fuel their fantasies using my energy, I refuse to permit it. If we let them cling to those illusions, they will never realize they're living a lie. In my view, the best course of action is to speak your truth; it’s never the answer to please someone else at the expense of your own well-being. If they dig in their heels and the discussion becomes futile, the smartest move is to walk away and stop wasting your precious energy on nothing.
Ronald Jones Ronald Jones Active Member
74 messages
joined Nov 2014
#15 ·
I am not about to sit here and offer explanations. It costs me something to speak up... Most people simply misunderstand my intentions. 😳 😳
brighteagle39 brighteagle39 Active Member
80 messages
joined Feb 2007
#16 ·
I find myself in complete agreement that engaging in these heated debates is rarely productive
so, what is our best course of action then?
If you ask me... I’ve found that a healthy dose of old-fashioned sarcasm usually does the trick, and after that, we can just let them believe whatever they want to believe
Ronald Jones Ronald Jones Active Member
74 messages
joined Nov 2014
#17 ·
I tend to default to sarcasm myself, honestly... let them think whatever they want about me. 😳 ☕
hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
300 messages
joined Nov 2023
#18 ·
Grace Jones7 said:I tend to live by a simple rule: help those who ask for it, but don't waste your breath on someone who refuses to seek help. If a person has zero desire to change, there isn't a damn thing you can do for them; however, if they actually want to grow, that’s a different story entirely. Personally, I steer clear of people who constantly project their own insecurities and flaws onto everyone else. To me, they are fundamentally irrational, and you simply cannot have a rational conversation with an irrational person. Honestly, they are the ones suffering most in this scenario. They are terrified of facing themselves and accepting who they really are. Instead of doing the hard work of self-improvement, they hunt for excuses and pick apart the faults of others just to get a temporary ego boost. But that relief is nothing but an illusion—it's fleeting, leaving them trapped in the same endless cycle. So, the question remains: do you indulge their delusions? If they are trying to fuel their fantasies using my energy, I refuse to permit it. If we let them cling to those illusions, they will never realize they're living a lie. In my view, the best course of action is to speak your truth; it’s never the answer to please someone else at the expense of your own well-being. If they dig in their heels and the discussion becomes futile, the smartest move is to walk away and stop wasting your precious energy on nothing.

That was beautifully put, especially that part about "if they're trying to feed their delusions using my energy"—spot on. High marks for that one.
Grace Jones7 Grace Jones7 Newcomer
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#19 ·
Thanks 🙂
rowdyharbor15 rowdyharbor15 Active Member
78 messages
joined Jan 2013
#20 ·
I think you’re young, but I know you’re sharp!

Look, I don't see the kind of reasoning you're doing in about 70 percent of the people I run into. From toddlers to retirees, most people are just impractical units drifting through life without any real sense of purpose...

First off, welcome to the club of people who just don't get you. They don't get you because they're generic. It's much easier to jump to the first step than to climb to the tenth. Being generic is a natural phenomenon—just like how everyone loves a standard cheeseburger or listens to the same Top 40 radio stations. And I'm not talking about just "uncultured" types, because plenty of people listen to indie music—and honestly, that can be just as generic and mindless.

When you show up in front of them with a revolutionary mindset, they simply can't wrap their heads around it. Maybe in 50 years they'll finally understand, but by then, they won't even realize someone already told them everything ages ago.

But let's get back to the concept of the generic mind.

NO, don't bother explaining anything to them. They won't grasp it. Just cut your losses and say: "That's just how it is, sis."

Either find someone who doesn't know any better and build something bigger, or stop wasting your energy trying to explain things to people who lack the vision to even see what you're talking about. They just don't look that far ahead.

Intelligence has zero correlation with success in life. Some of the biggest slackers and uncreative types end up as millionaires simply because they feed off and lean on those massive, generic social networks.

Draw a line in the sand while you're still young. Turn off that progressive instinct and play the hand you've been dealt: if you push too hard, you lose friends. Try to play the game so you aren't labeled as "crazy" or "negative." You've already seen that the non-visionaries will just cancel you. It’s obvious. None of those losers are going to hang out with someone who might ruin their reputation. It's like those crowds of anonymous trolls who act one way online but are completely different in real life—smiling to your face while being incredibly narrow-minded behind your back.

Same goes for anything you get involved in; you have to be able to back it up later. So, never give an inch.

If you’re actually brave enough to stand out, then real success comes in the form of public visibility. The larger the crowd you gather around you, the more power you have. Even if you're attracting a negative audience, you're still winning. Their obsession with studying you just translates to more clicks for you.

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