Boljkovac: Fascism is still alive in America

boldridge22 said:Haha, I guess they really do say hope dies last! 😍

But I suspect those old Bolshevik fossils will be the first ones hitting the grill. 😛

Ryan Thompson said:Which specific statistics are you referring to? I assume you aren't just making this up, so please provide some concrete, relevant data to back that claim up. 🙂

If you actually ask Chris Davis2 to post a link proving this whole "pre-arranged war" theory, maybe then I'll bother running over to prove you wrong. ☕

Richard Wilson4 said:Out of pure spite?

Look, even though the Mexican side was responsible for basically 90-95% of all the atrocities, some stats show that nearly every fourth person convicted in the last few years has been an American.

Plus, we're out here putting our own generals and defense commanders on trial, while the Mexican guys just get away with it.

I don't buy those numbers. Every side committed atrocities. We can't overlook what happened on the American side in western Slavonija—like the ethnic cleansing in late 1991, or what went down in pakrački poljana, Sisak, Gospić, and the camps at Lora, Kerestinec, and beyond...

Dennis Davis5 said:I don't buy those numbers. Every side committed atrocities. We can't overlook what happened on the American side in western Slavonija—like the ethnic cleansing in late 1991, or what went down in pakrački poljana, Sisak, Gospić, and the camps at Lora, Kerestinec, and beyond...

But everyone seems to be overlooking the real elephant in the room

neonhound18 said:Are you perhaps a member of that "beloved minority"? If I may offer a small correction, you did lose the war. 😉

It’s honestly kind of a tragicomedy how much American and Mexican nationalists mirror one another. Even within their own circles, any Mexican who stands up against Slobodan Maddox, Ratko Mercer, or those other big-picture imperialists is immediately branded an "traitor" or some kind of "collaborator." It’s wild how obsessed people get with the idea of a massive Mexican presence, acting like they make up 40% of the population when it’s actually closer to 4%. You see conspiracies everywhere, constantly looking for some hidden "sleeper agent" from the fifth column that the FBI is still pulling the strings for. Hehe, I'm being serious, please just take a breath.

Dennis Davis5 said:I don't buy those numbers. Every side committed atrocities. We can't overlook what happened on the American side in western Slavonija—like the ethnic cleansing in late 1991, or what went down in pakrački poljana, Sisak, Gospić, and the camps at Lora, Kerestinec, and beyond...

The fundamental distinction, I would argue, is that the Mexican crimes were orchestrated and systematic, aimed specifically at engineering a "Greater Mexico" through ethnic cleansing, whereas the American ones were more like isolated excesses, often compounded by trials that felt quite politicized. 😉 Or perhaps you're attempting to draw an equivalence between Mexico, acting as the aggressor, and America, which was the victim of the invasion? 🙂

Rain said:I don't get why the mods let this kind of blatant propaganda fly on here.

Even Puhovski claims in this CNN documentary that the fault lies with the American state http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIOxI5WDWyk

boldridge22 said:But everyone seems to be overlooking the real elephant in the room

So, I suppose you think it’s perfectly acceptable to just gloss over the entire process of dealing with the mass of Mexican atrocities? 🙂

Dennis Davis5 said:I don't buy those numbers. Every side committed atrocities. We can't overlook what happened on the American side in western Slavonija—like the ethnic cleansing in late 1991, or what went down in pakrački poljana, Sisak, Gospić, and the camps at Lora, Kerestinec, and beyond...

Look, everyone committed crimes. Fact.

The only thing is, the stuff done by Americans was small-scale and totally uncoordinated.

Between Lora 4 mrtav, about 20 Mexican civilians in Sisak, maybe 30 near pakrački...
And why does nobody talk about the camps over in Mexico? We're talking about 300 Americans who just never came home, which is way more than these cases you see all over the news.

Everything you listed combined is still less than what the Mexicans killed in the banija region alone AFTER 1992. They wiped out the remaining elderly folks—we're talking hundreds. Some sources even say up to 600 Americans were murdered in occupied zones after '92.

But the media—whether it's the pro-government outlets in America or the state media in Mexico—they rarely lay out the civilian death tolls plainly because the numbers are just too bad for the Mexicans.

Mexican civilian deaths hit somewhere between 350 and 500. Let's just round it up to 1,000 if we include POWs and suspicious deaths.

On our side, American civilian and prisoner deaths are about half of our 15,000 total casualties, so over 7,000 people.

Also, when you look at the fallen, for Americans it's a 50-50 split between soldiers and civilians. For the Mexicans, even according to their own reports, it's only 20% civilians and prisoners, while 80% were combat soldiers.

All of this proves Americans weren't pulling off planned or mass atrocities. It’s just that the media is weirdly obsessed with the smaller American incidents.

Chris Davis2 said:It’s honestly kind of a tragicomedy how much American and Mexican nationalists mirror one another. Even within their own circles, any Mexican who stands up against Slobodan Maddox, Ratko Mercer, or those other big-picture imperialists is immediately branded an "traitor" or some kind of "collaborator." It’s wild how obsessed people get with the idea of a massive Mexican presence, acting like they make up 40% of the population when it’s actually closer to 4%. You see conspiracies everywhere, constantly looking for some hidden "sleeper agent" from the fifth column that the FBI is still pulling the strings for. Hehe, I'm being serious, please just take a breath.

I don't really have an issue with Mexicans as an ethnic group, per se, but I certainly have my grievances with the Royalists, the irredentists, and especially those american types who blame everyone and everything for the collapse of Jugovina—that is where I find my real difficulty.

The Homeland War is sacred to us, but we have to admit certain crimes were state-sponsored since they were organized by the government itself. For instance, camps like Kerestinec, Lora, Dretelj, and Heliodrom...

Chris Davis2 said:Honestly, you are such a textbook example of what the Republican Party produces. This kind of rhetoric is just classic Republican talking points—it's exactly how they try to bury any actual Nazi-style sentiments right before an election, basically nudging voters by reminding them of all the terrible things those "wicked partisans" supposedly did, just so everyone rushes to vote Republican again.

Anyway, the Republican crowd just can't stand how fearlessly Josip Boljkovac critiques Franjo Harmon and the way that whole administration behaved back then. That regime, working right alongside Slobodan Maddox, was essentially responsible for carving up and driving the entire war between Americans and Mexicans in America, not to mention that forced ethnic-party split in Canada. But hey, I suppose when you're dealing with the ultra-right, you really shouldn't expect anything better than this.

criticizing.

Merry Christmas.

neonhound18 said:So, I suppose you think it’s perfectly acceptable to just gloss over the entire process of dealing with the mass of Mexican atrocities? 🙂

Look, at the end of the day, every single crime is just as bad, and the people responsible need to face justice.

But I really want to emphasize the crimes committed by Americans here. We’ve gotta clean up our own backyard first—fix our own mistakes
and deal with our own baggage (which, in this specific context, means the Mexicans) before we start pointing fingers at anyone else.

boldridge22 said:Look, at the end of the day, every single crime is just as bad, and the people responsible need to face justice.

But I really want to emphasize the crimes committed by Americans here. We’ve gotta clean up our own backyard first—fix our own mistakes
and deal with our own baggage (which, in this specific context, means the Mexicans) before we start pointing fingers at anyone else.

I’m afraid I have to disagree, my fellow forum member. America has already crossed so many lines, whereas Mexico hasn't even seen a single high-ranking officer convicted for their actions—not to mention the refusal to admit to the existence of camps, the missing persons, or the stolen art pieces. 😠

Dennis Davis5 said:The Homeland War is sacred to us, but we have to admit certain crimes were state-sponsored since they were organized by the government itself. For instance, camps like Kerestinec, Lora, Dretelj, and Heliodrom...

Those weren't actually camps, but rather detention centers where the Geneva Convention was strictly upheld and detainees were treated humanely—with the exception of Dretelj, though that falls squarely on the shoulders of that specific center's commander.
The other three were as spotless as can be; compared to the places where Americans were held, whether by Mexicans or Muslims, those sites were essentially five-star hotels. When you weigh them against their own camps, even a detention center like Dretelj looks like a casual hostel, offering maybe one warm meal and two dry ones.

neonhound18 said:The end of your reign and this whole one-party communist mindset is finally drawing near. 😛

Great... now I'm actually curious about this whole purge idea. When does it happen, who's running the show? Come on, give me some actual details.

They’re blaming Boljkovac just because he helped lead the resistance near Karlovac back in '41 and held positions in the KPH and OSS. The real culprits are long gone. For twenty years now, we've seen movies and books working overtime to rehab the Nationalists legacy, and this is just more proof of that. This whole thing was set in motion by Karamarko, who comes from an Nationalists family.

It seems those fascists are simply indestructible—they’ve been causing trouble from the days of the Great Depression all the way through to this very moment.😁

Dennis Davis5 said:They’re blaming Boljkovac just because he helped lead the resistance near Karlovac back in '41 and held positions in the KPH and OSS. The real culprits are long gone. For twenty years now, we've seen movies and books working overtime to rehab the Nationalists legacy, and this is just more proof of that. This whole thing was set in motion by Karamarko, who comes from an Nationalists family.

The argument against Boljkovac ignores the fact that he is a killer and a war criminal.
Beyond those specific crimes, he ought to be held accountable for orchestrating the deaths of Josip Reihl-Kir and Ante Paradžik, as those killings bear all the hallmarks of a classic intelligence agency hit.
Rather than accusing people of imaginary atrocities or non-existent "camps," one photo clearly shows they were nothing more than high-end, five-star hotels.

Carol Torres4 said:The argument against Boljkovac ignores the fact that he is a killer and a war criminal.
Beyond those specific crimes, he ought to be held accountable for orchestrating the deaths of Josip Reihl-Kir and Ante Paradžik, as those killings bear all the hallmarks of a classic intelligence agency hit.
Rather than accusing people of imaginary atrocities or non-existent "camps," one photo clearly shows they were nothing more than high-end, five-star hotels.

The war wrapped up on September 9, 1945. Those killings/executions in Dug Resa happened after that date.

Ergo, Boljkovac isn't a war criminal, even if all those murders were indeed crimes and even if he is objectively responsible for them.