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Participants James Lopez11boldnomad45Michelle Robinson97Joseph Johnson15Anthony Cook8hiddenbear3Michael Gonzalez77electricstag16swifttiger75Austin Vaughn3Larry Wilson5electricmaker49neonbison38Jeffrey Fisher5cosmicbadger32
electricstag16 electricstag16 Member
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joined Oct 2013
#21 ·
Michael Gonzalez77 said:Don't go thinking you're important here. I don't have any beef with you or your posts, but let's get one thing straight: stick to the topic at hand instead of judging everyone else's character—especially based on your own biased perspective. That kind of attitude says everything about who you are and nothing about anyone else.

And if I were actually being harassed, you wouldn't be "clinging" to me like this. That part should be pretty obvious.

So—my apologies.

No, buddy, you aren't bothering me. I'm the one bothering you. And I am not going to back down until you finally show your true colors.
Michael Gonzalez77 Michael Gonzalez77 Active Member
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joined Feb 2015
#22 ·
electricstag16 said:No, buddy, you aren't bothering me. I'm the one bothering you. And I am not going to back down until you finally show your true colors.

Now you’re just proving my point. Thanks for that. Honestly, I doubt you even realize it, since you're just singing the same old tune you accuse everyone else of playing.

🙂
electricstag16 electricstag16 Member
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joined Oct 2013
#23 ·
Michael Gonzalez77 said:Now you’re just proving my point. Thanks for that. Honestly, I doubt you even realize it, since you're just singing the same old tune you accuse everyone else of playing.

🙂

If you say so, I guess it must be the absolute truth.
Austin Vaughn3 Austin Vaughn3 Member
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joined Jan 2011
#24 ·
How do you ask for forgiveness? Honestly, from the heart, through words...
As for me, I want to know... how do you forgive?
Larry Wilson5 Larry Wilson5 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#25 ·
James Lopez11 said:Has anyone here actually reached out to ask for forgiveness? I mean, truly, sincerely? Was it humble, and did the apology actually land when it happened? I’m not sure if this counts as spiritual stuff—this isn't from some self-help book or anything—but I'm in the middle of it right now. I’ve realized how some of my past actions really messed things up for someone else. I can feel the negative energy lingering, but I also feel like if I can find a way to be genuinely sorry deep down, that energy might just heal itself... both in me and in them. What do you guys think about that?

YES.
Forgiving yourself is vital. Guilt just gets in the way of moving forward.
Healing is an internal process; forgiving oneself and others is key, just as you suggested.
Larry Wilson5 Larry Wilson5 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#26 ·
Austin Vaughn3 said:How do you ask for forgiveness? Honestly, from the heart, through words...
As for me, I want to know... how do you forgive?

I suppose you make the decision first, and then the intention follows.
electricmaker49 electricmaker49 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2013
#27 ·
Yeah.
neonbison38 neonbison38 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2013
#28 ·
Austin Vaughn3 said:How do you ask for forgiveness? Honestly, from the heart, through words...
As for me, I want to know... how do you forgive?

Honestly? You can't really.
I mean, guilt and forgiveness—it's all kind of just stuff we make up in our own heads, I guess. Maybe you could try treating those "mistakes" like an eraser on a pencil—just wipe them away. Because, at the end of the day, what happened, happened. It's already part of the picture.
Jeffrey Fisher5 Jeffrey Fisher5 Member
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joined Jan 2018
#29 ·
James Lopez11 said:Has anyone here actually reached out to ask for forgiveness? I mean, truly, sincerely? Was it humble, and did the apology actually land when it happened? I’m not sure if this counts as spiritual stuff—this isn't from some self-help book or anything—but I'm in the middle of it right now. I’ve realized how some of my past actions really messed things up for someone else. I can feel the negative energy lingering, but I also feel like if I can find a way to be genuinely sorry deep down, that energy might just heal itself... both in me and in them. What do you guys think about that?

Forgiveness from whom?
From God, or from another person?

When it comes to asking God for forgiveness, it felt instantaneous for me—but from people? That has never happened.
electricstag16 electricstag16 Member
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joined Oct 2013
#30 ·
neonbison38 said:Honestly? You can't really.
I mean, guilt and forgiveness—it's all kind of just stuff we make up in our own heads, I guess. Maybe you could try treating those "mistakes" like an eraser on a pencil—just wipe them away. Because, at the end of the day, what happened, happened. It's already part of the picture.

Ivy League. Are you still advising people to just ignore reality?
cosmicbadger32 cosmicbadger32 Newcomer
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#31 ·
electricstag16 said:Exactly. You take a life, then you just give yourself some easy grace and suddenly everything is fine.
Honestly, you spiritualists seem to revolve entirely around "me, me, and more me."
And then you have the nerve to claim that the "self" doesn't even exist.
I wonder (rhetorically), can you actually find it in yourselves to forgive your own stupidity?

Look, you gotta realize people change. Life isn't black and white; everything is shades of gray. I’ve seen this firsthand with someone in my own family. They spent basically their whole life making terrible mistakes—hurting people left and right. From the outside, looking at all the pain they caused, you'd think, "Yeah, this person deserves nothing but eternal damnation." But now, this person is elderly and nearing the end, and after one of our many arguments, they broke down crying and told me, "Please forgive me. You know better than anyone that nobody ever said a kind word to me growing up. You know I was raised by nothing but losers and drunks, with no father or mother to guide me." Then they added, and I mean literally these words: "Son, please, once I'm gone, just come to my grave. You don't need flowers or candles. Just come by, spit on my grave, and say, 'Old man, you were trash and you stayed trash.' Just show up once, and then you never have to come back."

So, don't be so quick to judge or tear people down. There are so many lonely, broken souls out there who never felt a shred of love or kindness. They never learned how to be good because they were never shown. There are plenty of people society has cast aside as total garbage, when maybe they just never had a fair shot at being better...
electricstag16 electricstag16 Member
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joined Oct 2013
#32 ·
cosmicbadger32 said:Look, you gotta realize people change. Life isn't black and white; everything is shades of gray. I’ve seen this firsthand with someone in my own family. They spent basically their whole life making terrible mistakes—hurting people left and right. From the outside, looking at all the pain they caused, you'd think, "Yeah, this person deserves nothing but eternal damnation." But now, this person is elderly and nearing the end, and after one of our many arguments, they broke down crying and told me, "Please forgive me. You know better than anyone that nobody ever said a kind word to me growing up. You know I was raised by nothing but losers and drunks, with no father or mother to guide me." Then they added, and I mean literally these words: "Son, please, once I'm gone, just come to my grave. You don't need flowers or candles. Just come by, spit on my grave, and say, 'Old man, you were trash and you stayed trash.' Just show up once, and then you never have to come back."

So, don't be so quick to judge or tear people down. There are so many lonely, broken souls out there who never felt a shred of love or kindness. They never learned how to be good because they were never shown. There are plenty of people society has cast aside as total garbage, when maybe they just never had a fair shot at being better...

Actually digest what I've laid out here before you bother to comment.

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