Red flags and manipulation in relationships

Joseph Bailey41 said:I think you're missing the mark a little—plenty of people are still experts at wielding those shovels, myself included. But we have to distinguish between love, basic tools, and the power struggles that happen within relationships. None of the stories we hear about the FBI or local law enforcement bring anything truly new to the table... all of this happened a hundred years ago, too. The only difference is that back then, people didn't vent their business on Facebook; they handled it privately. All the infidelity, the manipulation, the sexual issues, the paranoia... it was all there. People were just much more discreet. They tried to maintain a decent public image so they wouldn't embarrass themselves in front of their neighbors, or later, their grandkids. Generally speaking, there was a sense of basic decency. What we see now feels like pure exhibitionism. It's as if nobody knows how to do anything anymore without posting a photo of it on social media or jumping on a forum to describe every single detail.

Exactly, man... give me a break. A century ago, folks in rural towns were living much simpler lives, barely able to read or write, let alone knowing what a clitoris is or anything about lube or protection. They just did things the way they knew how, instinctively—if a guy felt the urge, he dealt with it, five minutes later he was done, and that was the end of it. Who even knew about contraception back then? And who was out hooking up with people from three towns over? My grandma wouldn't have dreamed of cheating on my grandpa; she had more than enough with him, even if she wanted to get away from him sometimes...
It's only with the "advancement" of civilization and those messed-up sexual revolutions that you see this massive spike in hookups, players, STIs, and AIDS... these are the diseases of a modern society that has no idea how to respect the dignity of the body and soul, where sex is just some nightly entertainment with a random person and some plastic surgery...

Everyone seems terrified of the shovel these days, and I'm not talking about digging in the garden—I mean those mental movies, that essential life struggle where you realize you actually have to step up and be responsible for yourself and your life...
Everyone thinks they're so damn smart nowadays, but they just end up looking like even bigger idiots...

Joseph Bailey41 said:I think you're missing the mark a little—plenty of people are still experts at wielding those shovels, myself included. But we have to distinguish between love, basic tools, and the power struggles that happen within relationships. None of the stories we hear about the FBI or local law enforcement bring anything truly new to the table... all of this happened a hundred years ago, too. The only difference is that back then, people didn't vent their business on Facebook; they handled it privately. All the infidelity, the manipulation, the sexual issues, the paranoia... it was all there. People were just much more discreet. They tried to maintain a decent public image so they wouldn't embarrass themselves in front of their neighbors, or later, their grandkids. Generally speaking, there was a sense of basic decency. What we see now feels like pure exhibitionism. It's as if nobody knows how to do anything anymore without posting a photo of it on social media or jumping on a forum to describe every single detail.

I'm with you. Everything feels much more blunt these days because information is everywhere, even though the core reality hasn't changed a bit.

And speaking of shoveling, I suspect that because modern human connections have become so shallow and hollow—reduced to little digital "likes"—people are actually gravitating back to almost forgotten physical tasks, including literal digging.

Donna White50 said:Exactly, man... give me a break. A century ago, folks in rural towns were living much simpler lives, barely able to read or write, let alone knowing what a clitoris is or anything about lube or protection. They just did things the way they knew how, instinctively—if a guy felt the urge, he dealt with it, five minutes later he was done, and that was the end of it. Who even knew about contraception back then? And who was out hooking up with people from three towns over? My grandma wouldn't have dreamed of cheating on my grandpa; she had more than enough with him, even if she wanted to get away from him sometimes...
It's only with the "advancement" of civilization and those messed-up sexual revolutions that you see this massive spike in hookups, players, STIs, and AIDS... these are the diseases of a modern society that has no idea how to respect the dignity of the body and soul, where sex is just some nightly entertainment with a random person and some plastic surgery...

Everyone seems terrified of the shovel these days, and I'm not talking about digging in the garden—I mean those mental movies, that essential life struggle where you realize you actually have to step up and be responsible for yourself and your life...
Everyone thinks they're so damn smart nowadays, but they just end up looking like even bigger idiots...

Again, you totally missed the point. Just because they didn't know the medical terms for certain body parts doesn't mean they didn't know how to enjoy them.

And that was just in the countryside; in the cities, there was already all kinds of fetishism going on. If they didn't have lube, they used butter—what do you think made the dairy maids so popular? 🙂

Joseph Bailey41 said:Again, you totally missed the point. Just because they didn't know the medical terms for certain body parts doesn't mean they didn't know how to enjoy them.

And that was just in the countryside; in the cities, there was already all kinds of fetishism going on. If they didn't have lube, they used butter—what do you think made the dairy maids so popular? 🙂

But the biggest thing of all... they didn't have DNA testing back then.😁

Joseph Bailey41 said:Again, you totally missed the point. Just because they didn't know the medical terms for certain body parts doesn't mean they didn't know how to enjoy them.

And that was just in the countryside; in the cities, there was already all kinds of fetishism going on. If they didn't have lube, they used butter—what do you think made the dairy maids so popular? 🙂

Joseph Bailey41, man, I honestly had no clue, and I grew up in the rural stretches of the Central Valley...🤦
When I finally moved to the city, I was pretty much clueless about sex because back then, before everyone started overthinking everything, sex was just biological—it was natural, without all the fetishism and other nonsense that comes from being disconnected and having a twisted view of sexuality. It’s a way healthier environment than the city, where you've got everything from rapists and hookers to total creeps and whatnot.
Trust me, sex used to be a huge taboo, but everyone was still hooking up because sex isn't some complex science. Nowadays, we try to turn it into a science, competing to see who can be the most perverse, and we basically turn ourselves into idiots. People out in the countryside don't deal with constant issues with potency, stamina, premature ejaculation, or infertility... just ask yourself why... And sure, cheating has always existed, but it wasn't a lifestyle like it is today... because if Mark knocks you up, nine months later there's a little Mark running around, and you're well and truly screwed...

Donna White50 said:Joseph Bailey41, man, I honestly had no clue, and I grew up in the rural stretches of the Central Valley...🤦
When I finally moved to the city, I was pretty much clueless about sex because back then, before everyone started overthinking everything, sex was just biological—it was natural, without all the fetishism and other nonsense that comes from being disconnected and having a twisted view of sexuality. It’s a way healthier environment than the city, where you've got everything from rapists and hookers to total creeps and whatnot.
Trust me, sex used to be a huge taboo, but everyone was still hooking up because sex isn't some complex science. Nowadays, we try to turn it into a science, competing to see who can be the most perverse, and we basically turn ourselves into idiots. People out in the countryside don't deal with constant issues with potency, stamina, premature ejaculation, or infertility... just ask yourself why... And sure, cheating has always existed, but it wasn't a lifestyle like it is today... because if Mark knocks you up, nine months later there's a little Mark running around, and you're well and truly screwed...

It really comes down to the region. In places where people are constantly drinking heavy amounts of cheap booze, it’s no surprise that things don't always work quite as they should down there. For everything else, honey and walnuts usually do the trick.

As for the women's side of things, the situation was actually a bit darker, so I’d only recommend the following link to those with a strong stomach:

http://www.nytimes.com/articles/abortion-in-rural-america

Joseph Bailey41 said:It really comes down to the region. In places where people are constantly drinking heavy amounts of cheap booze, it’s no surprise that things don't always work quite as they should down there. For everything else, honey and walnuts usually do the trick.

As for the women's side of things, the situation was actually a bit darker, so I’d only recommend the following link to those with a strong stomach:

http://www.nytimes.com/articles/abortion-in-rural-america

I don't even want to think about where you find all these deep dives...
Alcohol is great, though—at least it keeps you laughing...

Donna White50 said:I don't even want to think about where you find all these deep dives...
Alcohol is great, though—at least it keeps you laughing...

With a spark, you're laughing; with alcohol, you're picking fights. 😁

Drew Perez9 said:Alright folks, I’m opening this thread to act as a sort of unofficial advice column here.🙂

First question on the table: how do you avoid those exhausting little dating games? You know the drill—you reach out, they ghost you, then suddenly they pop up out of nowhere, or if you don't reply instantly, they start blowing up your phone asking why you're ignoring them. Has anyone else dealt with this kind of manipulation? I brought it up to my girlfriends, and honestly, they don't see what the big deal is. They actually seem totally down for it, arguing that you have to "prove yourself" when you're the new one in the mix. They claim this whole hunter-versus-prey dynamic is actually desirable. Is that true? Or isn't genuine passion and attraction enough?

Oh, absolutely. This is such a sickness in modern society, because why would anyone make things simple when they can just make them unnecessarily complicated?🙄
Personally, I can smell that kind of manipulation from a mile away, and I usually just cut them off right at the start. Generally speaking, people who pull that "hard to get" act or try to gauge interest based on how fast someone replies are just being shady.👎

The simple truth is: if you want to talk, just talk. Whether it's right now, in a few hours, tomorrow, or even a month from now—or hey, if you don't want to talk at all, don't. It doesn't matter either way; life keeps spinning regardless.😁, but people just love to overcomplicate everything, overanalyze, jump to conclusions, and turn a simple relationship into some massive Hollywood drama...☕

Jeremy Thomas8 said:Oh, absolutely. This is such a sickness in modern society, because why would anyone make things simple when they can just make them unnecessarily complicated?🙄
Personally, I can smell that kind of manipulation from a mile away, and I usually just cut them off right at the start. Generally speaking, people who pull that "hard to get" act or try to gauge interest based on how fast someone replies are just being shady.👎

The simple truth is: if you want to talk, just talk. Whether it's right now, in a few hours, tomorrow, or even a month from now—or hey, if you don't want to talk at all, don't. It doesn't matter either way; life keeps spinning regardless.😁, but people just love to overcomplicate everything, overanalyze, jump to conclusions, and turn a simple relationship into some massive Hollywood drama...☕

That’s pretty much the reality—but honestly, these days? It feels like finding someone who just wants to live a simple life without making things unnecessarily complicated for themselves or their partner is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Joseph Bailey41 said:With a spark, you're laughing; with alcohol, you're picking fights. 😁

Me? Alcohol just makes me laugh first, then I pass out...🍿
And honestly, I'm a total mess for two days straight after that...
Don't need any drama from my end...

Joseph Bailey41 said:It really comes down to the region. In places where people are constantly drinking heavy amounts of cheap booze, it’s no surprise that things don't always work quite as they should down there. For everything else, honey and walnuts usually do the trick.

As for the women's side of things, the situation was actually a bit darker, so I’d only recommend the following link to those with a strong stomach:

http://www.nytimes.com/articles/abortion-in-rural-america

That was a heavy read. 😢

I’ve heard whispers about certain methods and read accounts of similar cases before, but this one really hit home.

Sean Cruz said:That was a heavy read. 😢

I’ve heard whispers about certain methods and read accounts of similar cases before, but this one really hit home.

Yeah, it’s chilling. Stuff like this leaves a mark that spans generations. It never gets resolved because it's all swept under the rug out of "shame," and even romantic relationships suffer because of it. It’s terrible that we can't even have a normal conversation about it today, thanks to all that "religious" hysteria that's hovered over the whole issue.

What certain psychological circles discuss is how stillbirths affect family dynamics... a parent remains tied to that child in some way, unconsciously idealizing them, and that carries over into their relationship with their other children, their partner, and so on, until the whole structure becomes incredibly unstable. I have a big family gathering coming up soon, and honestly, I'm dreading it a little because I finally managed to trace the roots of one of my own issues.

So, on my mother's side, I have a great-grandfather who served in World War I and was a prisoner of war, among other things. His daughter—my grandmother (who a cousin once told me is the source of all our neuroses)—gave her first son his name. That baby died. The exact same thing happened to the second child, whose name (for whatever reason, probably after another ancestor) her sister gave to her own son, who ended up with severe mental disabilities due to birth complications, grew to be quite large, and struggled with aggression.

I never met my great-grandfather, but I recently heard some things about him that made everything click for me—from certain obsessions of mine that have intensified over the last four years, to strange emotional flashbacks that have no logical explanation, to the way that side of the family treats me. There are two ways to look at it: reincarnation (which I don't take seriously) and a "data transfer" through those psychological mechanisms I've been trying to explain for a while now. The strangest part was this: when I was picking out a silly signature, I went to listen to the full song. Within seconds, my palms started sweating, and that just never happens to me, ever, under any circumstances... I might get soaked from head to toe, but my hands stay dry.

I went a bit off-topic there, but I'll try to steer back to the main point. I never cared much about my lineage (since I don't carry that surname, I didn't identify with it that way), but my husband has his own obsessions, so he kept pestering me about it (in his own humorous way) until I finally lost my patience and started digging. Since I'm not particularly interested in recent history, I went deep, pulled everything out into the light, and only then realized why I am the specific type of idiot that I am. 😁

What I want to say is that every serious relationship pulls all sorts of things out of us... we think we're fighting about toothpaste or some other nonsense, but on a deeper level, we're waging epic battles that have nothing to do with us as individuals. Anyone who instinctively understands this needs to resist the urge to manipulate it to tilt things in their favor; otherwise, it just leads to perpetuating patterns that deserve to be completely wiped out.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Yeah, it’s chilling. Stuff like this leaves a mark that spans generations. It never gets resolved because it's all swept under the rug out of "shame," and even romantic relationships suffer because of it. It’s terrible that we can't even have a normal conversation about it today, thanks to all that "religious" hysteria that's hovered over the whole issue.

What certain psychological circles discuss is how stillbirths affect family dynamics... a parent remains tied to that child in some way, unconsciously idealizing them, and that carries over into their relationship with their other children, their partner, and so on, until the whole structure becomes incredibly unstable. I have a big family gathering coming up soon, and honestly, I'm dreading it a little because I finally managed to trace the roots of one of my own issues.

So, on my mother's side, I have a great-grandfather who served in World War I and was a prisoner of war, among other things. His daughter—my grandmother (who a cousin once told me is the source of all our neuroses)—gave her first son his name. That baby died. The exact same thing happened to the second child, whose name (for whatever reason, probably after another ancestor) her sister gave to her own son, who ended up with severe mental disabilities due to birth complications, grew to be quite large, and struggled with aggression.

I never met my great-grandfather, but I recently heard some things about him that made everything click for me—from certain obsessions of mine that have intensified over the last four years, to strange emotional flashbacks that have no logical explanation, to the way that side of the family treats me. There are two ways to look at it: reincarnation (which I don't take seriously) and a "data transfer" through those psychological mechanisms I've been trying to explain for a while now. The strangest part was this: when I was picking out a silly signature, I went to listen to the full song. Within seconds, my palms started sweating, and that just never happens to me, ever, under any circumstances... I might get soaked from head to toe, but my hands stay dry.

I went a bit off-topic there, but I'll try to steer back to the main point. I never cared much about my lineage (since I don't carry that surname, I didn't identify with it that way), but my husband has his own obsessions, so he kept pestering me about it (in his own humorous way) until I finally lost my patience and started digging. Since I'm not particularly interested in recent history, I went deep, pulled everything out into the light, and only then realized why I am the specific type of idiot that I am. 😁

What I want to say is that every serious relationship pulls all sorts of things out of us... we think we're fighting about toothpaste or some other nonsense, but on a deeper level, we're waging epic battles that have nothing to do with us as individuals. Anyone who instinctively understands this needs to resist the urge to manipulate it to tilt things in their favor; otherwise, it just leads to perpetuating patterns that deserve to be completely wiped out.

To be honest, where I live in the States, we don't deal with the same level of hysteria over this topic as they do in America; we're still stuck at a primitive, nationalist level 😬, but it remains a taboo, and it always will be.

Quincy:

What certain psychological circles discuss is how stillbirths affect family dynamics... a parent stays tied to that child in some way, unconsciously idealizing them, which then spills over into their relationship with other children, their partner, and so on. It makes the entire family structure incredibly unstable. I have a big family gathering coming up soon, and I'm actually dreading it because I've finally managed to dig into the roots of one of my own issues.

Tell me more about that. I remember reading something similar once, but the founder of that psychological movement struck me as a total monster—to put it mildly—so I didn't even bother trying to wrap my head around the teachings (if that's what we're talking about). My brain is stalling; I can't recall the name.🤔

Quincy:

What I mean is that every serious relationship drags everything out of us... we think we're fighting about toothpaste or some trivial nonsense, but on a deeper level, we're fighting epic battles that have nothing to do with us as individuals. Someone who instinctively understands this needs to resist the massive temptation to manipulate the situation to their advantage. Ultimately, doing so only serves to perpetuate patterns that deserve to be completely erased.

I'm not sure if I followed you correctly. Are you suggesting that subsequent generations suffer due to karma or the transmission of unresolved issues? I agree that an argument over toothpaste isn't just about the toothpaste—there's always a subtext—but I'm not certain how much it links back to ancestors. Obviously, we carry certain genes and learned behaviors from our families, but I'm unsure how far back that actually goes. Granted, I've never gone down any deep rabbit holes researching this specific topic.

Sean Cruz said:To be honest, where I live in the States, we don't deal with the same level of hysteria over this topic as they do in America; we're still stuck at a primitive, nationalist level 😬, but it remains a taboo, and it always will be.

Quincy:

What certain psychological circles discuss is how stillbirths affect family dynamics... a parent stays tied to that child in some way, unconsciously idealizing them, which then spills over into their relationship with other children, their partner, and so on. It makes the entire family structure incredibly unstable. I have a big family gathering coming up soon, and I'm actually dreading it because I've finally managed to dig into the roots of one of my own issues.

Tell me more about that. I remember reading something similar once, but the founder of that psychological movement struck me as a total monster—to put it mildly—so I didn't even bother trying to wrap my head around the teachings (if that's what we're talking about). My brain is stalling; I can't recall the name.🤔

Quincy:

What I mean is that every serious relationship drags everything out of us... we think we're fighting about toothpaste or some trivial nonsense, but on a deeper level, we're fighting epic battles that have nothing to do with us as individuals. Someone who instinctively understands this needs to resist the massive temptation to manipulate the situation to their advantage. Ultimately, doing so only serves to perpetuate patterns that deserve to be completely erased.

I'm not sure if I followed you correctly. Are you suggesting that subsequent generations suffer due to karma or the transmission of unresolved issues? I agree that an argument over toothpaste isn't just about the toothpaste—there's always a subtext—but I'm not certain how much it links back to ancestors. Obviously, we carry certain genes and learned behaviors from our families, but I'm unsure how far back that actually goes. Granted, I've never gone down any deep rabbit holes researching this specific topic.

Systemic therapy/family constellations. I tried reading some stuff by that founder... all I can remember now is his initials were B. H., and yeah, he was a total jerk. As far as I recall, he was a missionary somewhere in Africa, then left the faith, and took some teachings from those tribes to adapt them for the Western market. But I think he got a bit confused in the process, because our lives are so different from those tribal ways... those "savages," as some call them, actually have much more organized societies, stronger intergenerational solidarity, and don't deal with nearly as much neurosis.

Sean Cruz said:To be honest, where I live in the States, we don't deal with the same level of hysteria over this topic as they do in America; we're still stuck at a primitive, nationalist level 😬, but it remains a taboo, and it always will be.

Quincy:

What certain psychological circles discuss is how stillbirths affect family dynamics... a parent stays tied to that child in some way, unconsciously idealizing them, which then spills over into their relationship with other children, their partner, and so on. It makes the entire family structure incredibly unstable. I have a big family gathering coming up soon, and I'm actually dreading it because I've finally managed to dig into the roots of one of my own issues.

Tell me more about that. I remember reading something similar once, but the founder of that psychological movement struck me as a total monster—to put it mildly—so I didn't even bother trying to wrap my head around the teachings (if that's what we're talking about). My brain is stalling; I can't recall the name.🤔

Quincy:

What I mean is that every serious relationship drags everything out of us... we think we're fighting about toothpaste or some trivial nonsense, but on a deeper level, we're fighting epic battles that have nothing to do with us as individuals. Someone who instinctively understands this needs to resist the massive temptation to manipulate the situation to their advantage. Ultimately, doing so only serves to perpetuate patterns that deserve to be completely erased.

I'm not sure if I followed you correctly. Are you suggesting that subsequent generations suffer due to karma or the transmission of unresolved issues? I agree that an argument over toothpaste isn't just about the toothpaste—there's always a subtext—but I'm not certain how much it links back to ancestors. Obviously, we carry certain genes and learned behaviors from our families, but I'm unsure how far back that actually goes. Granted, I've never gone down any deep rabbit holes researching this specific topic.

I honestly don't know how to frame it so it sounds reasonable. On one hand, you have systemic therapy, which offers certain insights but produces incredibly mixed results—ranging from almost miraculous healings to suicide. On the other, there’s epigenetics, the study of how lived experiences get coded into our genes and passed down, usually manifesting as specific reactions in stressful situations. The third source is my own messing around with shamanism—it's hard to translate those insights into scientifically relevant terms, but it has shed a lot of light on things for me. What I need to do is follow a sort of triangulation, connecting these three data sources to understand how they all function together. I'm managing to do it on a personal level (it would take way too long to explain now, and I'm not quite ready to be that vulnerable), but I haven't quite grasped the broader principles yet. Regardless, I know it's nothing "supernatural," even though various spiritualities mention similar things (just using different terminology, of course).

As for the shamanism part... I spoke with a woman who has made a name for herself as America's first shaman. She went on a training course in South America where she was taught by an African man. She told me how many times he asked her, "Who are you?" and she gave him all sorts of answers, none of which satisfied him. I thought they were just feeding her some Gnostic intensity regarding enlightenment (since that's the method), but finally, the African man told her, "You are nine generations of your ancestors." It was based on the Orish system, which I don't practice because I feel like it doesn't have much relevance here in the States... sure, we have roots there, but that's a very distant past. I'm studying Nordic shamanism instead, where there are similar concepts—specifically, they talk about a part of your personality inherited from your ancestors that determines how much luck you'll have in life. I know that's a "code" for something, and I know it's somehow connected to all of this, but it hasn't all clicked into place yet. It's a bit exhausting trying to bridge mainstream psychology with genetics and all that mumbo jumbo, but I guess I don't have anything better to do with my life, so I might as well mess around with it.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Systemic therapy/family constellations. I tried reading some stuff by that founder... all I can remember now is his initials were B. H., and yeah, he was a total jerk. As far as I recall, he was a missionary somewhere in Africa, then left the faith, and took some teachings from those tribes to adapt them for the Western market. But I think he got a bit confused in the process, because our lives are so different from those tribal ways... those "savages," as some call them, actually have much more organized societies, stronger intergenerational solidarity, and don't deal with nearly as much neurosis.

I honestly don't know how to frame it so it sounds reasonable. On one hand, you have systemic therapy, which offers certain insights but produces incredibly mixed results—ranging from almost miraculous healings to suicide. On the other, there’s epigenetics, the study of how lived experiences get coded into our genes and passed down, usually manifesting as specific reactions in stressful situations. The third source is my own messing around with shamanism—it's hard to translate those insights into scientifically relevant terms, but it has shed a lot of light on things for me. What I need to do is follow a sort of triangulation, connecting these three data sources to understand how they all function together. I'm managing to do it on a personal level (it would take way too long to explain now, and I'm not quite ready to be that vulnerable), but I haven't quite grasped the broader principles yet. Regardless, I know it's nothing "supernatural," even though various spiritualities mention similar things (just using different terminology, of course).

As for the shamanism part... I spoke with a woman who has made a name for herself as America's first shaman. She went on a training course in South America where she was taught by an African man. She told me how many times he asked her, "Who are you?" and she gave him all sorts of answers, none of which satisfied him. I thought they were just feeding her some Gnostic intensity regarding enlightenment (since that's the method), but finally, the African man told her, "You are nine generations of your ancestors." It was based on the Orish system, which I don't practice because I feel like it doesn't have much relevance here in the States... sure, we have roots there, but that's a very distant past. I'm studying Nordic shamanism instead, where there are similar concepts—specifically, they talk about a part of your personality inherited from your ancestors that determines how much luck you'll have in life. I know that's a "code" for something, and I know it's somehow connected to all of this, but it hasn't all clicked into place yet. It's a bit exhausting trying to bridge mainstream psychology with genetics and all that mumbo jumbo, but I guess I don't have anything better to do with my life, so I might as well mess around with it.

Oh, that's right, it just crossed my mind. It’s that guy, Krele... Bert Hellinger.

All you need to do is check Wikipedia for some references. You'll see everything from people treating Hitler like a god to absolute filth like this:
Quincy:

Sometimes, a breast cancer diagnosis hides a much deeper, silent struggle. It’s possible that a patient is subconsciously longing for death, driven by an unresolved, deep-seated conflict with her mother. It isn't just about the illness; it's about an internal war playing out beneath the surface.

Quincy:

Sexual violence and incestuous abuse forge a traumatic bond that is incredibly difficult to sever. There is this disturbing psychological necessity where the perpetrator demands a form of "respect" for being the progenitor of life, an acknowledgment of their role, before the victim is even capable of forming a healthy connection with someone else.

What really keeps me up at night is seeing certain fanatics on this forum bragging about acting as "experts" in these constellations, essentially treating this monster as their role model. It’s honestly unsettling. I can't even begin to fathom the damage people like that do to those who are mentally fragile, highly sensitive, or simply prone to manipulation.

Quincy:

I honestly don't even know how to frame this without sounding completely irrational. On one hand, you have systemic therapy, which offers some profound insights; on the other, the results are incredibly volatile. We're talking about everything from near-miraculous recoveries to actual suicide.

Look, that’s just a bit too controversial for me to be recommending to anyone.
Quincy:

Then there’s epigenetics—the study of how lived experiences actually get coded into our genes and passed down, usually manifesting as specific stress responses. The third piece of the puzzle is my deep dive into shamanism. Honestly, trying to translate those insights into rigorous scientific terminology is an uphill battle, but it has shed a massive amount of light on the situation. The goal here is triangulation: synthesizing these three data streams to truly grasp how these systems function. On a personal level, I’m starting to make sense of things (it would take far too long to explain, and frankly, I’m not quite ready to be that vulnerable just yet), but I’m still struggling to pin down some of the broader, universal principles. Regardless, I am certain we aren't dealing with anything "supernatural," even if various spiritual traditions describe it using different terminology. Regarding all this shamanism business... I was talking to a woman who’s managed to market herself as the "first American shaman." She went on some training course down in South America where she was taught by an African man. She told me how he asked her "who are you?" countless times; she gave him various answers, but none of them ever satisfied him. I figured they were just feeding her some Gnostic-style enlightenment intensity (since that’s the method), but eventually, the African man just told her, "You are nine generations of your ancestors." It was part of the Orish system, which isn't really my thing because, let's be honest, we don't have much of a connection to Africa here in the States... sure, we trace our roots back there, but that's a pretty distant past. I'm studying Nordic shamanism instead, which features some similar concepts—specifically regarding a certain facet of personality inherited from ancestors that dictates how much luck you'll have in life. I know it's a "code" for something, and I know it's somehow linked to all of this, but nothing has quite clicked yet. It’s a bit exhausting trying to bridge mainstream psychology with genetics and all that mumbo jumbo, but I guess I don't have anything better to do with my time, so here I am messing around.

The rest of what you wrote actually sounds fascinating, but I don't have any hands-on experience applying spiritual techniques, so I'm not entirely sure how it actually works. I can't say I'm not skeptical when it comes to the "supernatural," but then again, if a person achieves genuine insights through a spiritual practice, that's a completely different story. 🙂

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Hey there, my wonderful people! I’m kicking off this whole thread to act as a sort of open advice column for everyone here!🙂

So, here’s my big first question for you guys: how on earth do I stop playing these ridiculous little mind games where it's all "reach out to him," then "send him a message," then he goes totally radio silent, and then suddenly *he's* the one hitting you up—or worse, if you don't reply fast enough, he starts blowing up your phone asking why you're ignoring him! Honestly, has anyone else dealt with this kind of blatant manipulation? I was venting to my girlfriends about the whole thing, and they seriously don't see what the big deal is, which drives me absolutely crazy! They’re actually totally down to play those games because they think since you're the "new" person in the relationship, you have to prove yourself, and they're telling me that this whole hunter-versus-prey dynamic is actually super desirable and even welcomed. But seriously, is that actually necessary? Like, shouldn't genuine passion and actual chemistry be more than enough?

Oh man, let me tell you, what’s being described here is textbook manipulative behavior, plain and simple! We're talking about people who don't just pull these kinds of shady moves when they're in a relationship, either—it’s a total lifestyle for them, and they carry that toxic energy into basically everything they do in life!
Honestly, those people just drain your battery completely, and if you’re actually looking to stay healthy and keep your head on straight, you really ought to steer clear of them!

Honestly, at the end of the day, when someone actually gives a damn and is truly, deeply interested in something, all those little games and excuses just totally evaporate, you know? Like, suddenly none of that petty nonsense even matters anymore because they’re so locked in!