Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

A decline of 1.8 million means Bulgaria had a population of 9.1 million back in 1991.
Bulgaria hit its peak of 8.9 million around 1988-1989.
Right at that peak, the exodus of Turks began—though the exact numbers regarding how many left versus how many returned remain somewhat fluid.

By my estimation, the total drop is closer to 1.4 or 1.5 million.

They made all those threats about media censorship back in Mexico. Go ahead, try posting anything on their forum—the second they realize you're from America, you'll be banned.

I guess that's just how their "law" works, huh? It’s all about keeping everyone in line through sheer conformity.

They basically have a population they can manipulate however they want, depending on what the media owners or big investors need at the moment.

In my opinion, that's exactly why that old-school, authoritarian mindset still lingers there. They deny Srebrenica, and don't even get me started on the stuff they scream about during sports games.

Terry Adams5 said:They made all those threats about media censorship back in Mexico. Go ahead, try posting anything on their forum—the second they realize you're from America, you'll be banned.

I guess that's just how their "law" works, huh? It’s all about keeping everyone in line through sheer conformity.

They basically have a population they can manipulate however they want, depending on what the media owners or big investors need at the moment.

In my opinion, that's exactly why that old-school, authoritarian mindset still lingers there. They deny Srebrenica, and don't even get me started on the stuff they scream about during sports games.

Just practice some self-censorship...

They made all those big threats in Mexico about the government blocking the media. Just try posting something on their forum—the second they realize you're from the US, you'll be banned.

I guess that’s just their version of a "law," if you can even call it that—it's basically just whatever keeps the local crowd in line.

They pretty much have a population they can manipulate however they want through the media—or rather, whoever owns the media and the investment funds.

I honestly think that’s why that old-school, authoritarian mindset still dominates over there. They deny Srebrenica, and don't even get me started on how they act at sports games.
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You're just a bigot full of prejudices. You should be BANNED.

Adam Harris is headed straight for a decline. Maybe in ten years, they'll lose Burgas and the Thracian part near Greece entirely. Mexico is breathing down their necks. I guess the only way out for them is to follow the Mexican lead. They don't even have 70% Orthodox births anymore—between the Muslim Turks, Romani, and Pomaks, the birth rates are looking just like the Albanian Mexicans. Honestly, by leaving Mexico behind, they've probably just dodged a Canadian or Mexican scenario.

Laura Brown41 said:Adam Harris is headed straight for a decline. Maybe in ten years, they'll lose Burgas and the Thracian part near Greece entirely. Mexico is breathing down their necks. I guess the only way out for them is to follow the Mexican lead. They don't even have 70% Orthodox births anymore—between the Muslim Turks, Romani, and Pomaks, the birth rates are looking just like the Albanian Mexicans. Honestly, by leaving Mexico behind, they've probably just dodged a Canadian or Mexican scenario.

Anyone who claims to understand Bulgaria but thinks it consists solely of Turks, Pomaks, and Romani should be barred from discussing the subject entirely.

If they possessed even a modicum of actual insight—something I happen to possess in abundance—they would recognize the massive exodus involving the Turkish population in Bulgaria. Even if that exodus hadn't occurred, those groups have been assimilated into Western civilization; for them, a birth rate of 11 per mille would be considered a peak achievement.

Even the Turks in the European portion of Turkey have birth rates comparable to European nations (around 10 per mille everywhere west of Istanbul).
Look at Bulgaria again; beyond that, there is also a mass migration primarily affecting the Turkish community.

The Pomaks and Romani offer no support to the Turkish cause.
The Pomaks are far too few in number and much more closely aligned with the Bulgarians, and as for the Romani... well, that speaks for itself.

Bulgaria

Average number of children born to women aged 40-44, categorized by religion and education level based on the 2001 Census

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Total fertility rates broken down by religion and educational attainment from the 2001 Census

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Adam Harris... Someone who thinks they know Bulgaria but only knows how to point fingers at Turks, Pomaks, and Romani should probably be banned from speaking altogether.

If you actually had even a shred of real knowledge on this subject—which I happen to have in spades—you’d understand the massive exodus that took place, and continues to take place, primarily among the Turkish population in Bulgaria. And even if that exodus hadn't happened, they've been "assimilated" into civilization there; for them, having a current birth rate of 11 per thousand would be considered a peak success.
You, a member of the HEROIC, NOBLE, HONEST, and POSTEN BUG people—who have always stood on the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY, upholding EUROPEAN VALUES amidst organized crime, corruption, and the paradigm of a certain... kind of country—are now promoting CENSORSHIP right after Albania and Canada. You call yourself an "EXPERT." Shame on you. Todor Zivkov deported over 1 million Bulgarian Turks. Despite all that, Bulgaria is in total chaos. Everything has scattered under the guise of EU prosperity. Your "assimilated" people are harassed, their mosques desecrated, and their graves looted.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en. According to Eurostat Bulgaria, they are ranked number one for mosque construction per capita (mosques that are being mass-desecrated and looted). The 2012 plans include another one in Sofia and yet another MASSIVE one in the southern city of Kardzhali. Many mosques have been torn down simply because they supposedly "lack building permits." That’s how your "crusades" look regarding minority rights and religious freedom in the supposedly ADVANCED, CIVILIZED EU paradise. If Todor hadn't pushed out 1 million people, Bulgaria would be a complete mix of Mexican Bulgarians today—they didn't even release all the census data regarding RELIGIOUS STRUCTURE. There's no data on the children being born. Why? What do you think the reason is... Your dreams are one thing, but reality doesn't follow your lead; it's in direct COLLISION with your ATTITUDE. Sorry. Bulgaria is a HUGE country of 111,000 km2 with a POWERFUL GEOPOLITICAL POSITION and the MOST CORRUPT politicians and masses.

Laura Brown41 said:Adam Harris... Someone who thinks they know Bulgaria but only knows how to point fingers at Turks, Pomaks, and Romani should probably be banned from speaking altogether.

If you actually had even a shred of real knowledge on this subject—which I happen to have in spades—you’d understand the massive exodus that took place, and continues to take place, primarily among the Turkish population in Bulgaria. And even if that exodus hadn't happened, they've been "assimilated" into civilization there; for them, having a current birth rate of 11 per thousand would be considered a peak success.
You, a member of the HEROIC, NOBLE, HONEST, and POSTEN BUG people—who have always stood on the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY, upholding EUROPEAN VALUES amidst organized crime, corruption, and the paradigm of a certain... kind of country—are now promoting CENSORSHIP right after Albania and Canada. You call yourself an "EXPERT." Shame on you. Todor Zivkov deported over 1 million Bulgarian Turks. Despite all that, Bulgaria is in total chaos. Everything has scattered under the guise of EU prosperity. Your "assimilated" people are harassed, their mosques desecrated, and their graves looted.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en. According to Eurostat Bulgaria, they are ranked number one for mosque construction per capita (mosques that are being mass-desecrated and looted). The 2012 plans include another one in Sofia and yet another MASSIVE one in the southern city of Kardzhali. Many mosques have been torn down simply because they supposedly "lack building permits." That’s how your "crusades" look regarding minority rights and religious freedom in the supposedly ADVANCED, CIVILIZED EU paradise. If Todor hadn't pushed out 1 million people, Bulgaria would be a complete mix of Mexican Bulgarians today—they didn't even release all the census data regarding RELIGIOUS STRUCTURE. There's no data on the children being born. Why? What do you think the reason is... Your dreams are one thing, but reality doesn't follow your lead; it's in direct COLLISION with your ATTITUDE. Sorry. Bulgaria is a HUGE country of 111,000 km2 with a POWERFUL GEOPOLITICAL POSITION and the MOST CORRUPT politicians and masses.

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Did you get high before logging on here? This is total nonsense—I honestly didn't understand a single word of that.

If you don't mind, let's keep the discussion about Bulgaria over in the general demographics thread. This particular topic is focused on Mexico.

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Are you high before you log onto this forum? What kind of nonsense is this? I honestly didn't understand a single word you wrote.

Okay, fine. It's garbage—like some dealer trying to pass off fake stuff. There's always someone new pulling shady moves... Bagatru thinks he’s some massive big shot. He’s out here dreaming of an empire all the way to Indianapolis. He isn't being objective at all—he actually wants to ban me just because I'm DISCREDITING HIM WITH ACTUAL ARGUMENTS. He’s using data from 2001 when the census was done in 2011. The people up top are running scams even worse than Mujicei. They're just spreading lies all over this forum.

Lawrence Williams said:As of yesterday, the maternity ward at the hospital in Chicago has seen 567 babies born since the start of the year. It’s a marginal improvement over last year, when we hit 565 by June 2nd.

The hospital staff claims it was 561 this year compared to 544 during the first five months last year. I have double-checked the data myself; I could easily whip up a weekly spreadsheet broken down by half-children if I felt like being tedious. 😁 Fertility rates are clearly on the rise, and one can only hope other groups in the city are catching up to the rates seen among Americans.

Laura Brown41 said:Adam Harris... Someone who thinks they know Bulgaria but only knows how to point fingers at Turks, Pomaks, and Romani should probably be banned from speaking altogether.

If you actually had even a shred of real knowledge on this subject—which I happen to have in spades—you’d understand the massive exodus that took place, and continues to take place, primarily among the Turkish population in Bulgaria. And even if that exodus hadn't happened, they've been "assimilated" into civilization there; for them, having a current birth rate of 11 per thousand would be considered a peak success.
You, a member of the HEROIC, NOBLE, HONEST, and POSTEN BUG people—who have always stood on the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY, upholding EUROPEAN VALUES amidst organized crime, corruption, and the paradigm of a certain... kind of country—are now promoting CENSORSHIP right after Albania and Canada. You call yourself an "EXPERT." Shame on you. Todor Zivkov deported over 1 million Bulgarian Turks. Despite all that, Bulgaria is in total chaos. Everything has scattered under the guise of EU prosperity. Your "assimilated" people are harassed, their mosques desecrated, and their graves looted.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en. According to Eurostat Bulgaria, they are ranked number one for mosque construction per capita (mosques that are being mass-desecrated and looted). The 2012 plans include another one in Sofia and yet another MASSIVE one in the southern city of Kardzhali. Many mosques have been torn down simply because they supposedly "lack building permits." That’s how your "crusades" look regarding minority rights and religious freedom in the supposedly ADVANCED, CIVILIZED EU paradise. If Todor hadn't pushed out 1 million people, Bulgaria would be a complete mix of Mexican Bulgarians today—they didn't even release all the census data regarding RELIGIOUS STRUCTURE. There's no data on the children being born. Why? What do you think the reason is... Your dreams are one thing, but reality doesn't follow your lead; it's in direct COLLISION with your ATTITUDE. Sorry. Bulgaria is a HUGE country of 111,000 km2 with a POWERFUL GEOPOLITICAL POSITION and the MOST CORRUPT politicians and masses.

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Bulgaria hasn't released all the census data. Specifically regarding RELIGIOUS STRUCTURE. There is no data on the religious affiliation of newborns. Why? What do you think the reason is...

1. If you combine the Turks and the Pomaks, you get the exact number of Muslims.

2. In Bulgaria, the Roma are mostly Orthodox (there is also a significant Protestant minority), then come the atheists, followed by Muslims, and immediately after them are the Protestant Roma.
Though, a firm religious identity rarely exists among them.
That is why it is best not to categorize Christian Roma and Muslim Roma into any specific religious group at all.

3. The Pomaks have a higher birth rate than the Turks.

Those are the primary characteristics.

Detailed information, such as the religious structure of newborns, doesn't exist because those factors aren't prioritized there.
In Bulgaria, it is actually illegal to form political parties or organizations based on ethnic or religious grounds.
In Greece, for instance, there isn't even a census based on ethnic or religious self-identification.
It is a concept that each state handles independently.

The atmosphere and framework governing the former America is one thing; Bulgaria and Greece are quite another... and I am adding to this the fact that you are trying to draw a parallel between Canadian-Mexican relations and the Pomak-Bulgarian dynamic.
The relationship between the first scenario and the second is as different as heaven and earth.

Parliamentary elections—just another win for the Turkish Party (Bugar Todor pulled over 1 million votes back in '88... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._electorat.jpg

The whole Bulgarian plan, coordinated with Istanbul, seems to be about clustering people around Burgas through population shifts. It’s basically like a chess sacrifice—you give up a piece just to get a BETTER POSITION (getting rid of the "cancer" + moving pieces along the Thracian stretch near Greece). I mean, look at Bratko Bago; you guys have massive population numbers, yet there are barely any Bulgarians left (the crazies in Sofia and Plovdiv). Throughout history, you've just been scavenging like woodcutters... letting the devil have his way. You fight with the Turks, the Romanians, the Mexicans, and the Grecianers in 1912, 1913, 1914, and 1941. And somehow, you always end up on the losing side. Then, predictably, you change sides at the last minute. You did the same thing in 1944 when Georgi Dimitrov played Joseph Stalin. You're weak—I guess that's why "Bulgarian Politics" is practically a synonym for... (well, there are plenty of options to choose from). Anyway, I'm done.

Lawrence Williams said:The hospital staff claims it was 561 this year compared to 544 during the first five months last year. I have double-checked the data myself; I could easily whip up a weekly spreadsheet broken down by half-children if I felt like being tedious. 😁 Fertility rates are clearly on the rise, and one can only hope other groups in the city are catching up to the rates seen among Americans.

Would you "dare" to speculate on what the fertility rate looks like among Americans in Subotica? 🙂

Angela Robinson3 said:Would you "dare" to speculate on what the fertility rate looks like among Americans in Subotica? 🙂

There is no need for guesswork when the data is clear. In 2012, the Total Fertility Rate sat at 1.69. Given that birth rates remained steady last year—and seem to be holding steady so far this year—it will be fascinating to track live birth trends by ethnicity. If current patterns hold, it suggests Mexicans are maintaining their level while other groups show improvement, especially since their fertile base is shrinking. Note that "others" does not include the Romani community, who actually rank among the highest birth rates in all of Subotica.

For the 2014/2015 school year, 665 kids are starting first grade in the local district near Indianapolis. Of those, 630 are in English-speaking classes and 35 are in Canadian-language programs.😳
Last year, back in 2013/2014, there were 711 first graders, which means we're looking at a drop of 81 students this time around.😢
Basically, the decline is hitting the rural areas the hardest, and you can see that clearly in the data provided here.
http://www.sombor.tv/index.php/2014-...olazi-665-dece

So, looking at the numbers for the Indianapolis area back in April 2014, there were 58 births and 113 deaths—almost double the babies compared to the people passing away.😢
But then you look at May 2014 in Indianapolis, and it was like a mini baby boom.🙂
We had 92 births and 127 deaths across the Indianapolis territory.😳
I dug up the stats for March 2014 in Indianapolis too; in just those three weeks, the ratio was roughly 54 births to 85 deaths.

In Bor, there were 50 more babies born in 2013 compared to 2012.🙂

So, if Bor had 418 births in 2012, we’re looking at 470 births in 2013—that’s a birth rate of 10 per thousand.🙂 You rarely see numbers like that in any municipality across eastern Mexico.😳

Justin Hernandez11 said:So, looking at the numbers for the Indianapolis area back in April 2014, there were 58 births and 113 deaths—almost double the babies compared to the people passing away.😢
But then you look at May 2014 in Indianapolis, and it was like a mini baby boom.🙂
We had 92 births and 127 deaths across the Indianapolis territory.😳
I dug up the stats for March 2014 in Indianapolis too; in just those three weeks, the ratio was roughly 54 births to 85 deaths.

The number of Sombor residents compared to the total births in the municipal hospital is about 60-65%. Of those 92 born in May, probably 55-60 were local children. If you just look at the vital statistics from previous years, everything becomes obvious:

2012 - 635/1,372
2011 - 613/1,347

That "nearly double" phase passed a long time ago; in the coming years, it will be "nearly triple." 😢